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2aac0e No.48[Reply]

HELLO /history/

I'm the new board owner. And i'm a /pol/ack. I know this is basically a dead board, however, this board has great potential, so if anyone has any ideas on how I can advertise this board without getting banned for spam or off topic shit, please reply. Although I am a bit right wing myself, I encourage debate from both sides. Off-topic things and spam from the /intl/ goons will immediately get deleted.

Also, i needs some banners ( I have no fucking idea on how I can do those).

If you have any questions, please post. I haven't changed this board too much.

Discussion of current events CAN be welcome, but keep in mind, this is a history board. Try to keep discussions about history from the cold war on back.

DISCUSSIONS ABOUT ANTHROPOLOGY, SOCIAL SCIENCES, AND CULTURE ARE ALSO WELCOME

( Lets see if we can beat /his/ )

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857719 No.57

>>50

I just wanted to own a board for the hell of it.

Plus, if anything happens to /his/, there's always /history/




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cc933c No.13[Reply]

Slow board is slow. Advertise this, guys, I'd love a true history board if it can get more than one post a day.

Anyways, to start some discussion, I'm an amateur historian writing an alternate history of WWII. What, in your opinion, are the biggest potential turning points in the war? Examples would be Churchill never being elected, success of operation typhoon, Germans ignore Stalingrad, US carriers don't leave for training exercise and are sunk at PH.

9c7f58 No.51

>>13

The Soviet Invasion of Poland is a key point.. England and France declare war with Germany over the Nazi Invasion, but ignore the Soviet Invasion.

What if England and France declared war on the USSR as well?


74cf10 No.54

>>51

Britain would have to be dumb to invade the USSR over Poland. Churchill himself at the time the Soviets moved into the eastern portion said that it was necessary as a buffer against German troops. Furthermore the members of the League of Nations did not recognize it as an aggressive act, unlike the case of the Soviet invasion of Finland months later when the League immediately denounced the USSR and expelled it from the organization.

See also: https://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/mlg09/did_ussr_invade_poland.html


b86a9d No.59

Rudolf Hess completes his flight over the Atlantic and somehow brokers the deal of an alliance between the UK and Germany against the Red menace, the USSR.


f1a3bc No.66

>Oswald Mosley wins the British elections before the war and eventually teams up with Hitler and Mussolini

>Hitler doesn't decide to invade the Soviet Union

>the entire North-American continent doesn't exist or is still inhabitated by natives (I know this is a weird one but since you're trying to write an alternate version of WWII anyway it would be interesting to think about what would have happened to Europe and Asia if the US never existed and thus could have never fought against the nazis).

>the Soviet Union never existed and instead the Russian Empire is still intact and ruled by the Romanov family. You get to decide what side they take during the war.




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45a241 No.1[Reply]

Which is, in your humble opinion, the most influential empire in the history of mankind?
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b7c3e3 No.49

Romans.

>latin alphabet

>conquered most of europe and west asia, laying the foundations for later, influential nations to rise

>the architecture

>Christianity now the world's biggest religion

>etc

You guys are plebs if you don't pick the Romans

As for a later empire, i'd agree with the above poster. The British Empire


2bc08a No.55

>>1

Mongols - which includes Yuan Chinese Dynasty


f6f4e5 No.58

Look at the most widespread languages. Anyone wonder why we're all typing in English right now?

Latin also used to be pretty popular.


14bde2 No.62

Assyrian/Babylonian/Persian


b3da77 No.65

Roman in my opinion.




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e409b7 No.63[Reply]

Is this board really dead? I was trying to find a board where I could discuss history with fellow /pol/acks since 4cuck's /his/ and this site's /his/ both seem to be liberal shitholes but there aren't really that much threads here. Could we perhaps get an art thread going? Photography is welcome too.

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e482c7 No.15[Reply]

>there actual people that will defend the bomb of 2 major civilian city with a nuke.


Why history teacher are so misleading with their field?

fa1310 No.19

>atomic bombings were wrong

well, uh… that's just like, your opinion, man


45fd2d No.26

Do you decry the fire bombings as much as the nuclear bombings?

One killed more civilians than the other.


dd98bc No.61

Well, better than firestorms a la Dresden all around Japan, or some boots on ground which about million expected casualties, don't you think?




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29c99b No.37[Reply]

Does anyone find it odd that the religion of Europe is in fact almost entirely a Semitic religion?

Europeans seem to be the only people whose religion is based on the family history of an entirely different, separate race of people. It would be like Nigerians studying the history of Ethiopia rather than their own history. (European history is told, but not at a young age and not deemed religious or spiritual. Europeans are taught as children the history of Jews like David and Goliath, but never ancient stories of their own homelands of Britain, etc.)

The common story is that Christianity was just so darn persuasive that millions of Europeans converted to it, which doesn't make sense because that has never happened before. Mass conversions have only happened as a side effect of conquest.

Given the assumption of secret Jewish power that I have just become aware of and many of us discuss on chans, it leads to an interesting possibility: Jewish influence was actually much greater throughout even ANCIENT history.

I have an alternative theory, which is that Christianity was spread concomitantly with the migration of Jews into Europe. Christianity was essentially a slave/peasant religion, similar to how the lower classes have their cults and gods in the Hindu caste system. It supplanted native religions because the Jews supplanted the upper classes of Europe, and the Jews preferred to have a slave religion based on their own religion. Perhaps they were even financially linked to one another.

It is a common idea that Christianity is a slave religion and I believe Nietzche explained it well in line with what I believe. One piece of evidence for this is the fact that Judaism is more ethno-centric, and essentially is a family line as well as being a religion. My addition to his theory is that it is NOT an accident that Christianity is a slave religion. It truly is because Christians are the slaves.

There is no reason for millions of Europeans to drop their native religions unless some kind of conquest occurred.

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29c99b No.39

>>38

Was it connected to Judaism? Is there evidence in either case?


29c99b No.40

>>37

On a related note, maybe usury being banned by Christians was in fact a tool by Jews to prevent anyone else from attaining their source of power.


0fa445 No.41

>>40

what antisemites like you need to understand is that history ended up dealing the jews a very good hand at end of a run of incredibly shit ones, there's no grand plan here

usury was a shit tier vocation in the middle ages because kings would scam jews out of money through pogroms, it only became lucrative with industrialisation, which again was not the fault of da joos.


371978 No.56

Xianity is a combination of the most popular cults of the late Roman Empire. The Passion is the story of John Barleycorn. The BVM is the mother of Horus. The Southern Cross is visible as far north as Jerusalem about December 25.

Xianity was an inexpensive religion that required no blood sacrifices. Most, maybe all, pagan cults required human sacrifice. Kings commonly retired by being hung when the crops failed. I'm not sure that was a bad idea.

"Pagan" comes from "paganus" meaning a rural man. "Heathen" is similar. Xians were city people.

Roman prestige pushed much of the infiltration of Xianity into other cultures, just as American secularism infiltrates the Middle East.

Sure, there was a lot of conversion at swordpoint, but that's not the whole story.


b96dc1 No.60

>the jews

>Jewish influence was actually much greater throughout even ANCIENT history.

>I have an alternative theory, which is that Christianity was spread concomitantly with the migration of Jews into Europe.

>and the Jews preferred to have a slave religion based on their own religion.

>There is no reason for millions of Europeans to drop their native religions unless some kind of conquest occurred.

Not this again. Conquest? Christianity took about 300, 400 years to achieve real proeminence, and even after that there was pockets of people under the older religions.

Christianity was a result of it's times, an urban religion for a cosmopolitan empire. If anything it was judaism and jews that where basically reduced to 2nd class citizens under christian rule. During the roman times, even after their rebellions and diaspora under the traditional roman religion they lived under much better conditions than what came after.

Christianity advanced because addressed too many things that the older religions didn't and was inclusive, unlike the existant religions based around a pater familias.

Reducing a phenomenon who took almost half a milennia to achieve real proeminence as some "jew scheme" is just silly to put it mildly.




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d16266 No.52[Reply]

Hey there guys I had a question perhaps you guys might be able to help me with.

I notice there were quite a lot of extremely religious men in the Civil War, particularly on the Confederacy. A very famous example would be General Stonewall Jackson.

Now what I want to know is, how can such religious people justify owning slaves/endorsing slavery and partaking in it? Doesn't that sort of go against the overall message of peace Jesus spoke of? How could so many of them claim god was on their side when they fought so hard to keep this practice going? Isn't it a contradiction?

I just wanted to get some feedback from you guys, hear your thoughts.

de6e6f No.53

They used the Bible to justify slavery.

Jefferson Davis, the Confederacy's President: "[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God… it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation… it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts."

The Union, of course, used the Bible to argue otherwise.




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c44245 No.47[Reply]

Japan must have strong defensive capabilities to defend the people

>“As the only nation in the world to have suffered a war-time nuclear attack, I have renewed my resolve to play a leading role in pursuing a world without nuclear weapons and maintain the three non-nuclear principles,” Abe said during a ceremony at Nagasaki Peace Park.

>The “three non-nuclear principles” are Japan's long-standing policy of not possessing or producing nuclear arms and not letting others bring them into the country.

>Representatives from 75 countries, including U.S. Ambassador Caroline Kennedy, were among those gathered at the ceremony, where a representative of Nagasaki bomb survivors told the crowd that security legislation introduced by Abe's government goes against the wishes of the survivors and "will lead to war."

>"We cannot accept this," 86-year-old Sumiteru Taniguchi said, after describing in graphic detail his traumatic injuries and how others died in the Aug. 9, 1945, attack on Nagasaki.

>As a bell tolled, they observed a minute of silence at 11:02 a.m., the time when the a U.S. B-29 plane dropped the atomic bomb, killing more than 70,000 people and helping to prompt Japan's World War II surrender. The first atomic bomb in Hiroshima three days earlier killed an estimated 140,000.

>Japan's defense minister triggered a new disagreement over controversial security legislation on Wednesday when he said the bills under consideration by parliament would not rule out the military transporting the nuclear weapons of foreign forces.

>Abe's cabinet adopted a resolution last year reinterpreting the pacifist constitution, drafted by Americans after World War II, to let Japan exercise collective self-defense, or defend an ally under attack.

>The unpopular bills have already passed the lower house, and Abe's ruling bloc has a majority in the upper house as well. But surveys show a majority of voters are opposed to Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



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1cc669 No.45[Reply]

http://z13.invisionfree.com/eRegime/index.php?act=idx

TL;DR: Country is very poor and backward but there's also tons of political intrigue going on, therefore it can be fun. Players can join as whatever: cabinet members, miscellaneous politicians of Muslim or Christian faith, army commanders, tribal chiefs, religious authorities, student radicals, etc.

To quote sign-in thread:

>There are no set rules or list of actions; a player sends a private message to the GM saying what he or she wishes to do that turn, and the GM makes a list of plausible outcomes and subjects them to a random number generator to see which one occurs. There is detailed information on the situation inside the country in various fields of life, from the condition of its armed forces to the state of its cultural facilities. Players will generally be briefed each turn as to how their actions went as well as the situation they are in (e.g. how soldiers under their command are doing, how their efforts to organize people in a region are progressing, and so on.)



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fb2713 No.28[Reply]

What are some good books on the heinous treatment of POWs and murder of russians commited the "finns" when the Soviet Union tried to liberate funland/finnland?

i mean. the ONLY flaw with communism was its secularism,but, alas! finnland was already secular,so,they killed and fought in defense of capitalism,their war was one to keep their low-paid workers,to go on exacting their heinious methods

1872d6 No.31

>the ONLY flaw with communism was its secularism

surely you jest


1afdb7 No.36

>Most of Karelia was occupied by the Finns from 1941 to 1944. During this period the population of the capital, Petrozavodsk, fell by half from the previous level of 70,000. Other modern towns, such as Kondopoga and Medvezhegorsk, were virtually wiped out. The Finns treated their Karelian kinsmen as inferiors. Corporal punishment was legalized, and sentences of whipping with the knout were carried out in public. Collective farm lands were confiscated and sold back to their members at inflated prices. Farmers unable to pay were branded vagrants and were shipped to Finland for forced labor or impressment into the army. The New York Herald Tribune correspondent, after visiting villages from which the Finns had been expelled, wrote:

>>"Like the Germans, the Finns stole the potatoes, rye and oats from the peasants, even the last sack in the house. Like the Germans, they drove the children in winter off the top of brick ovens so they might stretch upon it. Like the Germans, they pulled the boots and coats off men and women. And it did not stop there. Like the Germans, the Finns swaggered around insulting the natives. Like the Germans, they beat the villagers for the least misdemeanor with birch sticks."

- William Mandel, "A Guide to the Soviet Union," 1946, p. 49.


e5e852 No.42

>>36

i wonder how reliable a book written only a year after the end of ww2 is lmao


73558b No.44

>>42

I don't see how that matters much. It's not a book speculating on Finnish foreign policy or the inner workings of its armed forces. The paragraphs in question simply describe what went on in Finnish-occupied Karelia during the war.

Finland during WWII was allied to Nazi Germany. Its leader, Mannerheim, was an admirer of fascism who carried out the massacre of tens of thousands during the Finnish Civil War. Ryti, another Finnish leader, praised Hitler as a "genius."

I don't see how it's surprising that such a government would badly treat an area under its occupation. But yeah if you want a more modern source:

>In the early stages of the occupation, the Finnish administration pursued a policy of what can only be described as ethnic cleansing. Even before occupation, plans had been set in motion to move the Russian population out of the area once the war was over, and replace them with other Finno-Ugric peoples. Those deemed 'non-national' were rounded up and placed in concentration camps as the first stage of the process of expulsion. By early 1942, some twenty-four thousand were being held in these camps. A poor harvest and disruptions in the procurement and distribution of foodstuffs during the winter of 1941-42 caused hardship amongst the Finnish urban population, but proved disastrous for those interned, already on grossly inadequate rations. Over three thousand of those interned in the concentration camps, and ten thousand Soviet prisoners-of-war held in Finland are known to have died as a result of famine. . .

>the hearts and minds of the Karelians were not won over.

David Kirby, "A Concise History of Finland," 2006, pp. 225-226.




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a3e1d1 No.29[Reply]

What does this mean? We have this old sword laying about and we have no idea what these runes mean. They're on the blade, and it doesn't seem to be a bad sword.

99e6f1 No.32

>>29

I hate to fucking do this, but go to reddit and ask their.




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9823c6 No.24[Reply]

I want to write a story involving the Kronstadt Sailors from 1917-1921. I know that, during the Civil War, they would have fought the Whites but has anyone got any names of battles they would have fought in? This would be a real help to me, if you have any links, that would be brilliant as well



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f67b07 No.4[Reply]


Nam thread? Nam thread will dump and mods can use any nam pics as a banner if they want to :) So happy to stumble on this gem.
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>reminds me of that one guy from saving private Ryan

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Interesting fact the spike traps in Nam were coated with feces to give the american soldier infection if they survive.

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49c5e0 No.18[Reply]

>mfw there's no good history boards to be found

3be473 No.20

>implying your approval can be held as an objective standard




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