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22d107 No.222

At what point does drinking become an addiction? At what point does that addiction become detrimental to the user and the people around him? How thin is the line, what counts as crossing the line?

I'm currently 19, almost 20. I get alcohol now and again from my mother or coworkers. I highly anticipate that the day I turn 21, given my temperament, that I will begin drinking hard liquor at least once a week, and drinking beer every other day. Even when things are looking good in my life, my mental illnesses disallow me from feeling anything but misery, hate contempt and boredom. I hate myself and I hate everyone around me. And that misery I mentioned is always very subdued. My emotions are always subdued when sober. And it sucks. I can't stand not feeling anything other than hate. Using drugs is the only time I ever feel anything more–even profound sadness is preferable over nothing, and I'd rather that drug be one that is approved by the FDA and sold at shops rather than something off the streets.

I think of myself as a very social and emotional drunk on average; the latter usually being very warm and loving emotions and rarely angry or sad ones. I remember multiple instances where I was enormously hammered and someone was antagonizing me, and in one occasion even beating me, and I responded to the attacks with only soft words in an attempt to defuse the situation, or walked away and avoided further conflict. I've never raised my fists once under the influence. However, after those debacles, I do plan to only get drunk in the privacy of my home and only with family.

Considering that, is my future alcoholism such a bad thing? Is there no justification for knowingly abusing drugs under any circumstances?

There was another couple examples I feel I should mention where I cuddled with basically strangers, just acquaintances I had only known for a couple weeks, for hours in bed and caressed their faces. I'm very lonely. I'm lonely because as I said I hate everybody, and alcohol's the only time I don't hate people. I loved them. I loved them for the duration of the alcohol being in my body. I wished it could have never ended. I proceeded to cry in their shoulders from a combination of every emotion at once as I held them. As soon as I woke up the next day at their side, I hated them all the same again though and I cut contact with them out of embarrassment. Help.

1e75fb No.227

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>>222

First, allow me to congratulate you on getting this board's second pair of trips. Very impressive.

Second, I have not had to deal with alcohol addiction myself, but I am familiar with it to some degree, and I have my own addictions I deal with. All addiction follows a similar pattern. I also sympathize immensely with your misery and misanthropy, as I used to be the same way. Heck, some days I still am.

To answer your questions, though:

>Considering that, is my future alcoholism such a bad thing? Is there no justification for knowingly abusing drugs under any circumstances?

I don't know about "justification"; justified to who or what moral law? Certainly it is not illegal to be an alcoholic, and knowingly abusing any drug does not consist of malice, but of self-medication, no matter how ill-advised. One enters into that kind of situation in order to ameliorate what he sees as a bigger problem than the resulting addiction. In your case, you don't feel much pride or gain much enjoyment out of your hatred for yourself and others; you think it's wrong. You've noticed that you tend to open up emotionally when you're drunk. You desire to do this. Therefore you think that becoming an alcoholic may lessen your hatred and loneliness. It is perfectly understandable.

It is also, however, a very bad idea. It won't do what you think it will. When you're drunk, your mental and emotional inhibitions mostly dissapear. Some people become angry and violent, others melancholy, some playful and joyous, and still others compassionate or affectionate. It mostly seems to depend on what sort of thoughts and emotions that person doesn't normally express due to inhibition; though in the case of naturally uninhibited or outgoing people, it tends simply to magnify and caricature their normal behavior.

In your case, it seems that you have a lot of bottled-up love and charity for your fellow human beings that some emotional barrier doesn't allow you to express when sober. The problem is that simply smashing that barrier for a few hours does not get rid of your underlying insecurities. You do not genuinely, at the core of your being, hate yourself or others. You plainly desire to love and be loved. You are instead forced to hate, because something is preventing you from safely expressing your desires. I do not know what that something is, but you will need to find that and deal with it to solve your real problem.

I can try and give you some guesses, though. I think maybe you have a fear of rejection; this is very commonly a cause for misanthropy. It was for me. You feel different from other people and think they won't accept you as you are. You decide not to bother with the risk involved in opening up to them, and isolate yourself fromt them. This isolation results simulteously in contempt for the aliens you have shut off from your experience, and in contempt for yourself for being unworthy of sharing in the cares of other people. Just a guess, though. I could be wrong.

Keep posting and maybe we can work this out.


c7779d No.228

>>222

> I will begin drinking hard liquor at least once a week, and drinking beer every other day

Let me start off and say that I had a bout where I was rolling like this (and worse). It's not good, and I'll get to why.

>Considering that, is my future alcoholism such a bad thing?

Your physical health will suffer immensely. You'll get fat in the short run, and cancers will follow later in life. Also, if you get to the point of being a hard core alchie, you'll start having delirium tremens (think: hard core hallucinations) any time you don't have enough liq to get you through the day.

>my mental illnesses disallow me from feeling anything but misery, hate contempt and boredom. I hate myself and I hate everyone around me. And that misery I mentioned is always very subdued. My emotions are always subdued when sober. And it sucks. I can't stand not feeling anything other than hate. Using drugs is the only time I ever feel anything more

So you basically get drunk to feel better.

Once you start drinking at the level you speak of (which will escalate, believe me), you won't be doing that anymore. As stereotypical as it sounds, you'll be "drinking to get normal".

Seriously, once you're addicted to the shit, your body will recalibrate itself into a mode of operation where it expects alcohol to be there.

Once you're at this point, simply not drinking feels bad…skip your daily beer, and you end up having this feeling of general malaise and irritation that's only a smidge less-bad than having a nic-fit.

As your body upregulates, it ends up getting worse and worse. As in, maybe in a few months, a beer a day doesn't cut it, so you up it to two…then 4…then a bottle of wine rather than beer. Then eventually, it's a pint of vodka every day until you're at that point where you get delirium tremens every time you don't get your fix.

tl;dr yes, drinking feels good, but once you build a tolerance, it takes more and more and more to feel good, and once you're addicted it feels worse than bad not to be drunk.




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