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7787f1 No.55

This thread is for discussing the creation of a /hope/ wikia or other online deposit of information. Discuss what should be included, how we can set it up, who should run it, etc.

I'm just the board owner and am a functional computer illiterate, so the more /tech/nical anons among us will have to go about this on their own. Feel free to consult me about it, though. God bless this task and those who undertake it.

efdfac No.58

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One of the most important things I think should go on the wiki is info about finding a job that won't make the typical anon want to kill himself. We should go over entry-level jobs that you can do with a highschool diploma or GED like stocking shelves, and jobs that require a certification or vocational training of some sort like basic IT stuff that requires an A+ certification, medical coding, etc. Anons who are working in those fields can contribute info about how to find training and getting certified. We should also go over things like making a resume for places that don't just require that you fill out an online form, online job hunting on craigslist, indeed.com, Linkedin, etc, and looking into businesses with Glassdoor to make sure they aren't terrible places to work.

I've read some other anon-made guides on how to function in society and they typically cover things like basic grooming and hygiene, cleaning the clutter out of your room, and vital social skills like saying "hello" to passerbys when you're walking down the street to indicate that you're friendly and don't intend to harm them. (I know I didn't do a lot of these social customs myself because I thought they were stupid until I read about the rationale for why you would want to do them in an anon-made guide.) It's definitely important to cover the basics.

Other things I think could go on the guide are life survival skills like cooking for yourself, developing new interests and hobbies (or returning to old hobbies you've neglected) away from shitposting on imageboards, info about nofap/noporn, stuff about how to make it on your own if you're in imminent threat of becoming homeless, a page for various useful infographics, just anything else that would be of concern to your typical anon. There's always room to expand.

I'm also clueless about technical stuff though so I don't know anything about where we should actually post all of this. I'm thinking probably wikia but idk.


49b203 No.59

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I personally think that your idea of relating media to Christianity was brilliant.


0a59ca No.60

If we go with Mediawiki, here is some info on how to get it up and running. I'm no good at this sort of thing (aside from the extra time commitment), but if anyone wants to give it a shot, here is some articles on different functions copy and pasted from another place that was looking to make a wiki.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CiteThisPage - Citation extension, makes it easier to add references.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CharInsert - We can use this to make an easy box below the edit window with insertable templates and wiki markup for MediaWiki newbies.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Cite - The other half of the citation

extension.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Gadgets - Not "required", but we can add some CSS/JS to make editing easier.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:InputBox - We can doll up some easy "create a page" boxes with this in the categories that will add all the basic templates and categories needed for a page while creating them, will save us some work.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserFunctions - If we plan to import shit from Wikipedia or any other wiki like templates, we'll need this.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Poem - Good for formatting some things.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto - Same as ParserFunctions.

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiEditor - Provides a newbie centric wiki editing interface, goes great with CharInsert.


9e3779 No.61

I'm interested, mainly because the wiki sounds like a good idea but I'm not sure what would go into it. I'm also not the most technically oriented, I can make a page, write stuff, or offer suggestions, but I probably can't help with everything.

>>58

These all sound like solid ideas. Perhaps in addition to finding jobs, we could have info about finding education? Any general life help seems like it would be worth considering. That being said, I still think the wiki would need more than that, and I'm not sure what to add.

Cognitive Dissonance is another topic I think we might want to address. Conflicts of morals can be seriously bad for people.

Lastly, I too think relating any topic to Christianity is an excellent idea, if not outright necessary. While this board was thought up on /christian/ this board is certainly not just for Christians. Which means I'm not sure how to go about that without turning people off, but I'll let everyone decide as a whole what to do. I certainly feel Christianity can be brought up on any topic for the wiki and is truly the best way of bringing hope.


4dc78d No.66

>>60

Wouldn't we have to pay for hosting and a domain name if we went that route?

Wikia is not great, but it's the cheapest and easiest method, and would probably work for our needs.


0a59ca No.67

>>66

Oh, you're right. Nevermind. Mediawiki itself is free, but the domain wouldn't be. I misinterpreted it. Wikia it is then.


7787f1 No.71

>>58

>Anons who are working in those fields can contribute info about how to find training and getting certified.

This is important. It's one thing to just compile information that anyone could find with a startpage search; it's another to have people around who can actually give targeted advice on finding work or learning skills. We should strive to attract anons with jobs and educations and encourage them to share their knowledge in a one-on-one fashion as well as contributing to the wiki.

>We should also go over things like making a resume for places that don't just require that you fill out an online form, online job hunting on craigslist, indeed.com, Linkedin, etc, and looking into businesses with Glassdoor to make sure they aren't terrible places to work.

…and maybe someday we could make this a comfortable enough place that anons wouldn't feel weird hiring or recommending each other; that is, networking directly.

>It's definitely important to cover the basics.

This is important because believe me, you should never presume what a NEET/hikki anon knows about how to live a normal life. Maximum hand-holding should be encouraged, though of course without being condescending.

>anything else that would be of concern to your typical anon

It will be useful for us to make friends with other boards that are dedicated to collecting and distributing information and advice. There are many such boards that happen to be friends with, or have shilled in the shill thread on /kind/. Here's the thread: https://8ch.net/kind/res/7089.html

Give it a look. The boards mentioned here will be targets for building a cross-board userbase, because they have many of the same goals as us, like >>>/adv/ >>>/edu/ >>>/freedu/ >>>/improve/ and many others.

>>59

A list of /hope/-inspiring media would be a worthy goal.

>>60

>>66

>>67

Wikia should be where we start, if it's the only free wiki-building resource out there, but don't rule out someone (maybe even me, eventually) paying for a domain name. Of course, we would need some sort of /tech/ie to step up and build the darn thing. But if it's not too expensive, I'd pay for us to have a nicer wiki.

>>61

>Cognitive Dissonance is another topic I think we might want to address. Conflicts of morals can be seriously bad for people.

Very true. As anons familiar with the subject of morality, we should not neglect the moral dimension of suffering. It is often neglected, but is essential to helping people in these morally perverse times.

>I certainly feel Christianity can be brought up on any topic for the wiki and is truly the best way of bringing hope.

/hope/ is not a Christian board, of course, but there is certainly no reason not to put forth Christian ideas and solutions. As long as we stress that they are merely one offering among all the secular info, I don't think we'll scare anyone away.

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cd3a92 No.77

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>>58

I think imma start writing some content for jobs and how to cook. This is ok, yes?

>>66

>domain name

Former site and game server admin here:

domain names can be cheap. Think: $10-$20 per YEAR, unless for some reason the name is uber-popular and in a high-dollar TLD.

Pic related is my personal goto's (namecheap) prices. only $10 for a year of "hopewiki.com". Not bad, especially for a .com TLD. I paid more for my minecraft server's domain and it was a .cc.

Finding a DNS server isn't hard either. afraid.org does free name resolution. not much more to say about that.

>hosting

Hosting only gets pricey if you have HUGE TRAFFICS or serve a high volume of multimedia. There are plenty of free hosts out there that offer free hosting with decent traffic and storage.

When I still acted like I was a web-dev, I'd point el cheapo clients to 000webhost.com. 1.5gb storage + 100gb monthly bandwidth. for a low-traffic, low-media site, it's normally fine.

I dunno what kind of traffic you expect from the wiki, but I think (unless we get DDoSed for some reason) we'd do fine with that.

Of course, setting up your own hosting isn't hard either (look into LAMP stacks and lrn2 linux), but if we expect major traffic (and legit operation according to most ISP TOS) we'd need someone to buy into a "business class" internet package (which can be $70-$170 per month, all things considered).

Anyway, there would be one major difference between using mediawiki vs. wikia: everything would be on our heads with mediawiki+a private host. You'd need someone who knows how to handle DNS resolution. Someone who knows how to install and configure mediawiki. Someone who knows how to manage a website. I'm not sure, but I believe wikia (being specifically wiki-focused) would be easier.

That is, with media wiki, you'd be running a website and a wiki. With wikia, you'd be running a wiki with the web admin parts handled by wikia. One way is "more free, but harder", the other is "less free, but easier", so it's up to the community and what all gets decided.


7787f1 No.80

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>>77

Great dubs for a great post.

You seem to know quite a lot, friend. Are you sure you yourself could not manage a wiki? I would do it myself, but I have tried to lrn2Linux before, and was surprised to discover just how dumb I actually am.

In any case, I would not mind paying for a domain name and a cheap host if someone with expertise would run the thing. It would have to wait till after I get a new job, though, which will be happening sometime around December I think. Until then we could just play around with wikia, and collect /hope/ threads with links to information.


db5a4a No.82

>>80

i don't really think I'm cut out for it. I know Jack shit about mediawiki.

gimme a few weeks to fuck around and I'll see what I can come up with….since I've never done wiki's, I don't know what all to do (I ran a microscopically small Chan).

let me have a few days to sort shit out though…


02f23b No.83

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>>80

ok, I'm at my big computer now so it's easier to type. My ID is probably different from changing machines, so imma trip to be known, sorry if it seems pretentious.

>I would not mind paying for a domain name

I could buy a domain when I get paid next thursday. I already have a job, and unless we try registering it as 4chan.com or something that costs $300 a year, it's not going to be anything too financially straining for me.

>cheap host

what kind of traffic can we expect? If nothing else, I've got servers laying around (pic related) that I've hosted from before. My ISP isn't the greatest (it's plain old consumer internet; ~50mbps down/~6mbps up), but it's worked for low traffic game servers and a related chan.

I think we could very reasonably start with that until traffic gets too crazy for me to handle with my piss-bucket internets. We could go with a free host temporarily too, if the community doesn't trust some scumbag anon from 8ch to manage the site personally.

once traffic goes up, Dream host offers a basic package for a VPS at $15 a month, and I think I could cover that too, but I'd have to talk to my GF about it. A domain is a drop in the bucket (being barely 20 a year if even), but adding another monthly bill to my ledger could be harder given how I've been recently in terms of money. Still isn't that bad, though.

>I have tried to lrn2Linux before, and was surprised to discover just how dumb I actually am.

Eh, knowing how to linux is only needed if you're hosting servers the hard way like I'm used to. Still, I'd be willing to do whatever we need whether it's hosted by me personally, hosted on a free service, or hosted by a paid hosting plan. The hardest thing for me right now would be figuring out mediawiki, which could take a week or two.

now then

my actual biggest problem

I don't know how to work in a community. In all of my projects, I've been the president, CEO and god-king of the whole shebang. Take that for what it is…

anyway, I hope that I can get to work as soon as I can, so please, give feedback as quick as you can so I can chew on it and make shit happen.


000000 No.86

>>58

We should help NEETs to get the employment and education they need. Former neets can help explain how they changed, current neets help each other.

mediawiki might be able to go through a free blog site, I dunno haven't tried it

my throwaway is christianprojects@airmail.cc


7787f1 No.89

>>83

>I could buy a domain

As long as you're comfortable with it and it won't impoverish you, I think it would be best for us to have our own domain. Like I said, I'd pay for it right now but I'm moving next month and will have to find a new job, and will be using my savings to buy a car and pay for rent and insurance and a bunch of other shit I've never had to pay for before as a NEET. When I'm financially stable again, maybe I could even help pay for us to get a slightly-better-than-cutrate host.

>what kind of traffic can we expect?

I have no idea, but probably not a lot for the first year or so, until we have some substantial content and people are actually visiting /hope/ on a regular basis.

>We could go with a free host temporarily too, if the community doesn't trust some scumbag anon from 8ch to manage the site personally

If I did not trust other anons volunteering their services, I would not have made this board in the first place. My suggestion would be to start out with a free host and just tinker around for a couple months. It'll take at least that long to get the ball rolling and see what's possible anyway. No need to start paying for anything until we test our capabilities and see if we can draw even a small audience.

>Still, I'd be willing to do whatever we need whether it's hosted by me personally, hosted on a free service, or hosted by a paid hosting plan. The hardest thing for me right now would be figuring out mediawiki, which could take a week or two.

Whatever help you can offer, we accept.


7787f1 No.90

>>89

fukken, I wasn't logged in when I posted that, but it's me, the BO…there's only like five people on /hope/, anyway, kek


02f23b No.92

>>89

>Whatever help you can offer, we accept.

understood. I'll buy a domain and get the ball rolling on some free hosting by next thursday or so when I get paid then.


7787f1 No.93

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>>92

I appreciate your help. If you need to keep in touch with me, use the email address I attach to all my replies. We can even share Tox IDs if you like, though that one torfriend seems to think it's insecure. I'll have to check that out.

Build a skeleton using free hosting and I'll see about finding some content to put up. I can't collect it all by myself, of course, but I know a lot of places on 8chan and elsewhere where we can find the kind of resources we're looking for. I'll have to make a thread for anons to contribute their sources, as well.

Thanks again, and good luck! Keep in touch.


342af1 No.94

>>92

Hey, if you ever need help setting up/running the server I'd be willing to lend a hand. I have some experience working with LAMP servers (although not as much as you do from the looks of it, but I'm willing to learn).


02f23b No.99

>>93

alright, I'll work on getting my ol' debian box running with mediawiki over the next few days.

>tox

never used it. might sign up.

>insecure

we're building a wiki about how to get jobs and live a good life and such for the depressed…not trading CP or drugs or dealing with CC numbers. I'm not too worried about communications security too too much. Gotta consider you're threat model, etc etc.

>>94

getting the server set up is pretty "set it and forget it" for me. I'll need the most help actually learning, implementing, and securing mediawiki.

general question for everyone:

what domain do we want?

I was going to go with hopewiki.com (since it's succient, and cheap), but does anyone think they could think of something better?


7787f1 No.100

>>99

>never used it. might sign up.

You may as well, two of my vols are already using it to keep in touch with me, and it is very simple and convenient.

>I'm not too worried about communications security

>Gotta consider you're threat model, etc etc

This was my own opinion, but I have no technical background to back it up so I just wanted to point out the torfriend's objection. If you think we're safe, we're safe, as far as I'm concerned.

>I was going to go with hopewiki.com

That's fine. What it's called really doesn't matter, since people aren't going to be finding it from Google or anything like that. They'll just be linked to it from here on 8chan.


02f23b No.102

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>>100

>You may as well

understood. will do.

>That's fine

hopewiki.com it is then. I'll use that as our official title too.

Also, pic related: my servers are not exploded! now onto actually figuring out how to mediawiki.


a89720 No.107

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alright folks, flipped the lights on and have the barebones site up.

I'm no wiki writer, so we need content, users, and the whole shebang. A better mainpage is a definite must, as is a logo!

All things aside, though, the wiki is running, has an admin, and is internet facing. We don't have a domain yet, though (that comes next week), but the site is indeed up.

>http://65.29.84.33/index.php/Main_Page

get to me here with useability feedback. If you can't reach the page, or if it loads too slow, etc…tell me, I'll see what (if anything) can be done.


7787f1 No.108

>>102

>no bad dragon in your tabs

>not even a startpage search for dragon dildos

You're no fun. :^)

>now onto actually figuring out how to mediawiki

You sound like a smart and capable fellow, I believe in you!

>>107

Awesome! I will give it a peek and tell you what I think not that my thoughts will be that helpful


7787f1 No.110

>>107

Well, I checked it out. My opinion is that it looks like Wikipedia, except empty. So, perfect!

So can we log in and create accounts, or what? Do we need to?


a89720 No.111

>>110

I'm pretty sure users and anonymous IPs that aren't blocked can both edit and create pages.

you can make an account if you want, but unless we encounter a shit ton of vandalism where I/future prospective volunteers have to lock pages, it won't really be needed.

Remember, though: I'm still learning mediawiki as much as anyone here. Go ahead and try to make a new page (do this by trying to go to/search for an article that doesn't exist) or edit the mainpage. We'll see how it works out.

Also, the "help" page on the mainpage links to mediawiki's own help document, so there's that if you need general help editing, etc.

Also, I sent you my tox info since you wanted it.


a89720 No.112

>>111

ok, yeah. unregistered users that aren't blocked can create and edit all unprotected pages, so have at it, with or without an account.


7787f1 No.114

>>111

>>112

Okeydoke, will do. When I have time I'll even see about maybe writing a legit article or two. Oh, and I'll have to search for a good file to use as our logo. Any recommendations as to file size and format?


019d5e No.115

>>114

>logo

I'd go with a png that's maybe 256x256 or thereabouts.

send it to my email when you get one.


7787f1 No.116

>>115

gotcha, I've got our banner guy working on it


a89720 No.129

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>>116

If pic related is acceptable, don't worry about it. I made something last night.


7787f1 No.131

>>129

This is lovely, thank you for the effort. But I did have something specific in mind when I asked banneranon to work on it. I'm embarrassed to have to reject your image on this basis, but my autism required a Haibaine Renmei-themed logo. We can still use yours elsewhere on the site, or maybe you can make the logo image change on rotation, kind of like a banner? If that is possible, that would be awesome. I just really need my animu angels to be up there somewhere if that's okay.


a89720 No.133

>>131

it's whatever man, I'm not concerned. I just wanted to have something up for now because the default "set $mwWOOWOWOWO to change logo" placeholder was kinda an eyesore.

just post something and I'll make it the logo.


7787f1 No.134

>>133

I got ya. When banneranon is finished I will have him just post it here in the thread.


a72be8 No.135

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>>133

>>134

Anime girl logo as per BO's specifications. For the record, I thought your dove one was neat.


7787f1 No.136

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Saw your first crack at writing on the wiki, webguy. Great job. I know how eager you are to get something set up and looking presentable for newcomers. We can use that kind of enthusiasm around here.

I have never used wiki software before, so it'll take some time for me to tinker around and start writing, but I have created an account and am currently reading all I can in the help pages.

Any anons who would like to start creating and editing pages, jump in!

http://65.29.84.33/index.php/Hopewiki


46eda8 No.137

>>136

I'm out and about right now, but once I get in front of a computer, I'll type up a basic "how to wiki" page and post it on the main page.

speaking of the main page, I've locked it so that only I can edit it just to prevent vandalism, so if you want any changes, postem here or email me.


72a326 No.145

>>137

alright, sorry I took so long. Busy day today.

anyway, here's a page on how to write pages.

>http://65.29.84.33/index.php/How_to_Edit_a_Wiki

It's also linked to from the main page under the "to do" section, prompting the inexperienced who still want to help to learn.

I'll try to have the new logo up by tomorrow. Can't do it tonight because I'm away from the server and forgot to enable SSH for myself.


03ebbe No.148

I almost started crying looking at the growing page on the wiki about cooking for yourself. (I get overly sentimental about things really easily though.) God bless all you people dedicating your time and energy to this.


000000 No.150

>>145

The "Main Page" link doesn't link to:

http://65.29.84.33/index.php/Main_Page#Hopewiki

but both it and the logo link to:

http://65.29.84.33/index.php/Hopewiki


c94c8f No.151

>>150

ah, yes. I know.

In order to display the name "Hopewiki" as the page title, I had to set an article called "Hopewiki" as the mainpage.

"Main_page" stopped being the "real" mainpage a few days ago when I made the switch, and I've since deleted it (within the last 10 minutes or so).

All of the edits that were made to the old main_page (the articles section) were transferred over and incorperated into the "hopewiki" page.

sorry for any confusion.


000000 No.154

>>151

Thanks webguy.

Now the main page is locked and we can't edit it.


96030f No.155

>>154

unlocked. sorry, I locked it expecting vandalism.


000000 No.156

>>154

Articles section to bottom of page?

Or do you have another suggestion on how to organize articles?

People won't know what's on the wiki without some kind of clickable database, at least to get started on a major topic (they could find links within a list of major links oftentimes to find other sub-articles)


96030f No.157

>>156

mmm gimme a bit to look into portal templates and categories…I'll see if I can't come up with something.


96030f No.158

>>156

uh, wait. actually, I moved the articles section over to the hopewiki page. they're there.

I moved it to third item down though because it just felt like it looked better having the long list of boards at the bottom.

move it around if you want, though.


000000 No.159

>>158

yeah, saw that, wasn't sure if it would be better at bottom. thx


7787f1 No.162

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Good to see that webguy and torfriend are cooperating and giving each other feedback. Sorry if I'm not much help on that score, web design is not my forte. You guys have my blessing, though. Whatever you need, you know where to reach me. I will contribute to writing articles when I have the time in between IRL commitments and administering and shilling this board.

>>148

I choked up a bit, too. Webguy is a fucking beast, he eats html and shits informative articles like it's nothing. I'm frankly a little astounded at how quickly he just started spinning gold. We're gaining volunteers like torfriend at a surprising rate, too. This calls for more advertising.


a89720 No.194

=attention!=

Hopewiki.com has been registered!

It may take 24 hours from this post to become active, though, due to the phenomena of network convergence. That said, we domain name nao.


7a36fe No.195

>>194

It works for me. Exciting.


9463bd No.203

Glad you didn't go with wikia, it's worse than Hitler.


000000 No.210

bump let's keep it alive brehs


7787f1 No.211

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>>210

This thread, or the board? I leave for the weekend and come back and there has been basically zero activity. It's a ghost board! I know there are at least a dozen or so people lurking, you can do better than this, friends. Don't be shy!


a89720 No.241

for those who've noticed, the wiki has had issues for the past few days.

I was running some maintenance and I seem to have accidentally some of the network config.

Either way, the issue is resolved and hopewiki rides again! Sorry for any issues.




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