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67256f No.275

Where does /hpl/ stand on the fact that ol' Howard was a big ol' racist?

Are you inclined to use the zeitgeist argument, and say that pretty much everyone from that time was down on darkies?

Or does his apparent belief that blacks were sub-human make you uncomfortable, and make you think less of him as an author?

I personally fall towards the former, because I think any overt or perceptibly racist elements expressed in his actual work didn't detract from the overall quality. His palpable fear of miscegenation and ensuing degradation, for example, was seemingly directed at the destruction of established traditions; and that made things like "The Shadow Over Innsmouth" all the more terrifying, and thus more interesting reading.

Then again, I also think the World Fanatsy Awards bullshit last year was a storm in a teacup: lefists sharpening semantic knives when there's so much more important to cut.

I don't actually give a damn about this non-issue, but it'd be nice to see some HPL-related discussion on this board from the three other people in here

2635a8 No.276

Whenever someone brings it up, I always point out that Gandhi was saying similar things about Africans in his writings, in an effort to distance Indians from them.

If anything, I think it enhanced his writing. He wasn't so much racist as he was classist. He spoke ill of "white trash" in at least one story, and praised high class Spaniards and Arabs, he just didn't like low-class people, regardless of race.

His xenophobia and fear of both low class areas and bussling big cities only served to fuel his fantastic writings.

And really it would be silly to let a poem he wrote about the word nigger effect my enjoyment of his stories about ancient, horrific alien beings.

aa818c No.277

>>276
>He spoke ill of "white trash" in at least one story

The only time he used the phrase "white trash" explicitly in his stories, that I can recall, was through a secondary character in " The Shadow Over Innsmouth"; but you're right about that idea permeating his work. Think of the way he described any loathsome, decadent, implicitly or explicitly inbred individuals in "The Dunwich Horror", or "The Picture in the House": there were always hints at demonic or otherworldly miscegenation, but it spoke of a fundamental aspect of the fringes of societies where some people just turn out wrong.

d3a30e No.278

>>277
Among these odd folk, who correspond exactly to the decadent element of “white trash” in the South, law and morals are non-existent; and their general mental status is probably below that of any other section of the native American people.
- Beyond the Wall of Sleep - http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/bws.aspx

196ea6 No.296

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It makes him awesome. I love when I can enjoy fiction without Jewish communism being shoved down my throat.

3317d6 No.297

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>>296
Get a load of this guy

74c394 No.314

While some of his racism was kind of retarded, most of it simply reflects the attitudes people have always had. He saw blacks as unproductive, prone to criminality, and prone to joining insane cults (see welfare culture, Detroit and other majority black cities, and the NOI which teaches that black people are from space and created whites in labs before forgetting how to do science).

The aspects of his racism which I find retarded include his portrayals of the various nationalities of white people. He was obviously of the opinion that Anglo Saxons were the highest breed of whites, yet every English descended white person who isn't already an insane cultist or evil magician goes insane by the end of story, or is struggling to deal with the implications of what he's learned. Whereas Irish and Italian people, while generally portrayed as superstitious, aren't likely to join cults, use evil magic, and will actively use violence against evil forces, or at least against cultists. Germans also seem to not go insane at the drop of a hat. And for some reason in HPL, there's a genetic defect in all English people that makes them prone to fainting spells upon smelling strange scents, seeing weird angles, hearing weird words, seeing monsters, or seeing an unpainted house.

HPL's characters are very often overblown portraits of whatever ethnicity they belong to, although I doubt he meant it that way.


be8d1c No.317

>>314

It could be that because Whites, considered to be more intelligent and curious about the world as opposed to other races, would be more likely to uncover these ancient horrors, poking our noses where we shouldn't and just being nosy and curious. I think the opening of TCoC seems to correspond with this explanation:

"The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but some day the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age."

- The Call of Cthulhu

It is also the artists - those of sensitive minds - who are most affected by Cthulhu awakening, experiencing weird dreams, so I think he HPL might have considered the superior intelligence of Whites to be a double edged sword.


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