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 No.4113

The mind is a terrible thing to waste, and a wonderful thing to enhance to the peak of its abilities.

A mentat is a human computer capable of great feats of memory, analytics, mathematics and logic.

http://www.ludism.org/mentat/HomePage

I have recently begun my training to become a mentat. My current regimen consists of exercise, meditation, some kind of independent study (typically reading or doing coursera work), and then training/study/practice of memory (using anki to memorize all country flags of the world), a new language (studying spanish right now), music (learning piano) and mental math.

I take 100mg of caffeine (and will be ordering some L-Theanine tomorrow) in the morning before this, and soon will be adding more to my nootropic stack. And during it I'm drinking coffee and listening to classical music with binaural beats. Currently my exercise is just doing the Couch-to-5k program, but I intend to start doing more than that.

I have lofty goals for my mentat training. Who else has similar goals for their self-improvement?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTuEvnfgQcY

 No.4117

>>4113

I'm on a similar path I guess. I'm not working to improve memory that much, but I am studying Japanese and learning to render in 3d using Blender. I meditate and do yoga. Mental training is something I am intentionally working on, but it came from a self-discipline angle. No nootropic except green tea and coffee.


 No.4121

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>classical music with binaural beats

Just fucking lol


 No.4123

Not even doing the Dual-N-Back?


 No.4125

>L-Theanine

What does that do? Do supplements/pills actually work, and if so, why?


 No.4131

>>4123

I am going to start doing Dual-N-Back as part of my regimen. Since I made the post I've added it to my regimen.

I've also added omega-3 fish oils to my list of daily pills.

>>4125

What I've read says L-Theanine gets rid of the jitters from caffeine, making the energy more calm and collected.

http://www.ludism.org/mentat/NootropicsPrimer


 No.4190

Some of the resources I'm using for my Mentat training:

>http://brainscale.net

>>Dual N-Back

>http://www.quantified-mind.com

>http://www.cambridgebrainsciences.com

>>Ways to measure cognitive enhancement progress

>http://readfa.st

>>Speedreading practice

>http://www.memrise.com/

>>Spaced repetition learning, I'm using it to learn Spanish but it has all sorts of lessons.

>https://www.coursera.org

>>Free online college-level courses for general intelligence improvment. Currently taking "Introduction to Mathematical Thinking"

>http://profile.pouria.net/AlfredsPianovol1.pdf

>>Beginner piano book I'm using (too big to upload directly and attach to post)

>http://www.coolrunning.com/engine/2/2_3/index.shtml

>>Couch-to-5k running plan

>http://ankisrs.net

>>Spaced repetition learning software

My beginner Nootropic stack

>100mg Caffeine + 200mg L-Theanine twice daily for focus and concentration

>300mg Bacopa Monnieri once daily for memory

>500mg Ashwagandha Extract once daily for anxiety reduction

>1000mg Fish Oil twice daily for memory

I'm still figuring out how to best format my training logs and whatnot for a blog or other online journal.


 No.4230

Oh hey, I'm doing the same. I was even formatting the wiki and its resources into a .pdf I intended to share with /pdfs/ and /improve/ eventually, though that will take a while yet.


 No.4320

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>>4113

Do you want to group up? I'm doing something similar but with physical improvement and social improvement. I just made a channel at rizon: #mentat

We could go on from there. I'll be recruiting on different boards.


 No.4378

>>4320

What's the server of the IRC room?


 No.4380

>>4378

>>4320

scratch that, didn't see the part about rizon in your post.

I'm in as mentatanon. I'll idle in here for a while in case anyone drops by.


 No.4421

>>4380

Still dropping in now and then if anyone wants to hop in and get some sort of social thing going.

The routine is beginning to really take root. I still falter, but I am consistently training my memory and studying spanish, and one or two other things with those typically.

My nootropics sometimes make me feel sick, so I've been wary of taking them, but only slight differences other than that have been noted.


 No.4425

File: 1447433707299.pdf (885.52 KB, 1795$Vedic_Mathematics_Met….pdf)

Found this - Vedic Mathematics. A collection of strategies and methods used by ancient indian mathematicians to do calculations.

Mental math strategies, in essence. Potentially very useful for the calculation portion of a mentat's abilities.


 No.4426

File: 1447436091317.pdf (1.38 MB, VedicMathematics.pdf)

>>4425

Also found an alternate version that has graphs and charts and such, could be useful to use in tandem with the other one.


 No.4433

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>>4113

You ever seen the spider on caffeine? It's a shitty stimulant, it has no cognitive enhancing qualities.

Also, studies show the whole baby Mozart craze just resulted in dumber kids. So your music choice is more of a preference.

Now, Mongolian throat singing, that will make your mind soar.


 No.4448

Personally I don't like online courses. I read textbooks. I base projects around them and break them up into a section-per-day study guide after analyzing their content density and measuring my performance the first week.


 No.4452

Any android apps for mental training?

Specialy for fast reading, i found a good one but it have "premium features"


 No.4490

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I've begun assembling a collection of resources, pdfs, links, guides, video lectures and various documents I've developed for my training.

Would it be the type of thing that everyone would be interested in me sharing?

I've also begun writing a Mentat's Manifesto.


 No.4498

>>4490

Sure thing, post it


 No.4694

bump


 No.4695

bump, this has potential


 No.4699

If you're into nootropics (which you should be) check out the Smart Drug Dictionary. Covers the basics of all of them so you don't fuck yourself up.

If you're into cognitive training you should take some shit that lets you learn faster.


 No.5138

bump


 No.5219

File: 1456928458329-0.pdf (995.5 KB, Turn on the Human Calculat….pdf)

File: 1456928458329-1.pdf (1.38 MB, VedicMathematics.pdf)

File: 1456928458330-2.pdf (885.52 KB, 1795$Vedic_Mathematics_Met….pdf)

File: 1456928458330-3.pdf (995.5 KB, Turn on the Human Calculat….pdf)

File: 1456928458330-4.pdf (1.38 MB, VedicMathematics.pdf)

OP here

I have not abandoned this quest. My efforts have been waxing and waning, but I'm making progress. Here's a list of sites and resources that I've collected. Some links are repetitive with an earlier post, but I'm trying to make a more complete list of resources.

Stage one

>Exercise: http://ss.fitness (thanks /fit/)

>>Couch-to-5k, https://archive.is/D0Qxr

>>Workout Routine: https://archive.is/fqa8M

>Diet: http://www.nerdfitness.com/blog/2011/11/10/healthy-eating/

>Sleep: http://www.apk4market.com/apps/health-fitness/sleep-cycle-alarm-clock-v1-3-696-apk/

>Meditation: http://www.artofmanliness.com/2011/09/07/a-primer-on-meditation/

Stage two

>Language Learning

>>Memrise http://www.memrise.com/home/

>>Duolingo https://en.duolingo.com

>Mental Math

>>Attached pdfs+https://www.khanacademy.org

>>http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu

>>http://mathforum.org/k12/mathtips/beatcalc.html

>Speed Reading

>>http://readfa.st/read

>Studying/Knowledge expansion

>>https://www.coursera.org

>>www.edx.org

>Memory training (I'm memorizing world flag+capitals to start)

>>http://ankisrs.net

Stage three

>Nootropics

>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nootropics/wiki/beginners

>>inb4 >le reddit, yes reddit is complete ass, however there is some useful information to be found on it

>Dual N-back

>>http://brainscale.net

>Progress tracking

>>http://www.cambridgebrainsciences.com

>>http://www.quantified-mind.com

>>4699

>Smart Drug Dictionary

anyone know anywhere that I can download that? my google-fu is weak and not coming up with anywhere I can download it.


 No.5220

>>5219

>redundant files

whoops


 No.5221

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>4113

This is great, I'm in. I've been doing this off and on my whole life, but really the last maybe 5 years are when I've started to organize it.

>>5219

How do you differentiate between those three stages? Arbitrary? I personally believe that the body and the mind are completely connected and intertwined, so that anything I do to my body (ingest alcohol, drugs) affects my mind (drunk, high) and conversely, what I do with my mind affects my body (e.g. tell myself exercise doesn't matter, get fat). As such, I like to make that delineation in how I frame my practice. This is years of personal research, TED talks, books, etc but I'm looking for feedback from everyone here.

Stage one: corporeal

Walking for cardio health. Cardio health improves blood flow to the brain, increasing oxygen to the brain, increasing the amount of work the brain can handle. Jogging and running are too high impact for me. I would swim if I had regular, cheap access to a pool. Costs $0.

Yoga for stretching and relaxation. Very, very important. I watch videos on YouTube, I'll link them for anyone that is interested. Costs $0.

Weight lifting for general health, mental health. There are a number of scientific studies on the benefits of weight lifting (free weights are MUCH better than machines). I have the weights I need at home in the backyard, same ones I've been using for 15+ years. Costs $0 after initial investment.

Bodyweight exercise, like pushups. Costs $0.

Intermittent fasting. Watch embedded TED talk. Costs $0. I actually save money on food this way.

Low carb, high protein. Carbs make me sleepy, and pull blood flow away from the brain. I try to eat as few as needed but don't go crazy with it. Costs $0. I actually save money on food this way.

Good sleep. Naps when I can. Rest that brain! Costs $0.

I currently get my caffeine from drinking coffee. I balance it with L-Theanine from tea (green or Earl Grey). Does cost money, I spend roughly $1 a day on fresh brewed french press coffee and 1 quality tea bag.

Other supplements: Daily men's multivitamin, zinc, fish oil, pygeum, lectithin. Does cost money, but makes a noticeable difference. I'd estimate it at roughly $1 a day.

Stage two: mental

Meditation. There is no substitute and nothing that compares to directly training your brain. If you are here because you want to get the most out of your grey matter, meditate! Costs $0.

Language study. Costs $0.

TED talks. Costs $0.

Reading. Can cost, but there is so much good stuff to read that is free.

Stage three: immaterial

Art. Art fundamentally changes the way your brain operates. In order to make any real progress in art you have to learn to see things differently, which means you are training your brain to see things the way artists do. There is a reason so many people I respect in history were polymaths and artists.

Yoga. Like art, yoga fundamentally changes the neural pathways in the brain. "Self-control" is a practiced skill, ask any martial artist. Yoga trains your brain to overcome the complaints of the body, clears the mind, etc.

Meditation. Meditation cannot be stressed enough. It is the direct way to manage my own brain. Reduces stress, make all of the above manageable.

In the future I'd like to see how far I could get myself up the math branch of Khan academy. And I'd like to do more tutorials at codecademy.com. I'm also interested in things like the method of loci, using Anki for more than language memorization, etc.


 No.5222

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>>5221

>TED talks for mental training


 No.5229

>>4113

Man I fucking love Dune.


 No.5232

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>5222

TED talks are fucking awesome, engaging, and make you think. Even if you don't agree, that's awesome, then its a period of critical thinking for you then. Getting your brain "turned on" helps improve cognitive function, drive, motivation, and happiness.

Embed is for you, anon. Possibly my all time favorite TED talk.


 No.5234

>>5232

Window shopping for the brain.


 No.5237

>>5221

Best beginner/starter yoga vids? Which one would you recommend?


 No.5238

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Anyone interested in forming a group of mentats-in-training?

The IRC server made by >>4320 is still operational. We could make our own board here on ∞chan for mentat discussion. Or we could just regularly post in this thread here, or make an /improve/ mentat general.

I'll be sitting in the IRC, #mentat on rizon for a while. If anyone else is doing mentat training, stop by.

The idea of a community of mentats sounds awesome.

We could have regular documentary streams, book discussions, intellectual stimulating discussions of other kinds. Play chess or go. Could be cool.


 No.5239

>>5238

I went ahead and made it

>>>/mentat/


 No.5240

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>5237

See embed.

>>5234

Yes, except it actually has real-world measurable results, meaning we can observe it, measure it, and science the shit out of it. Happiness has a distinct advantage, and there is science behind it.

>>5238

I like the idea of IRC though, I could lurk while I'm at work.

>>5239

Muh nigga.


 No.5241

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>>5240

TED talks are window shopping for the brain. I see no reason why would anyone think of them as mental training. They would fit better at stage three as (shallow) introduction to certain ideas. Let's admit it: the most valuable information in that talk were the citations which you can use to actually research the topic and maybe come up with a coherent concept instead of just having the vague idea that being happy is good.

Seeing Aruna warms my heart.


 No.5242

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>>5241

I see your point and concede it. I don't mean to imply TED talks are deep in any way shape or form, although I hope that most of them are shallow only because they are boiled down from real deal deep research into a consumable format. It may be pre-chewed steak, granted, but it is quality wagyu beef and not McDonald's.

However, I would make one point: there are two ways to look at our mentat training, both in depth and breadth. A human being has, what, 70-80 years? How many of those are in peak mental performance? So a man can choose to either go very deep into one subject, say math, and hope to push the boundaries of that specific branch of human knowledge farther than it has ever gone before, or he can go for breadth. Stand on the shoulders of giants and all that.

I've chosen a different route. I never wanted to pick a major. Why should I? My interests go all over the place. I see education and understanding as a holistic discipline. Rather than master one specific area, I want to master them all. "Jack of all trades, master of none" except with enough diligence one can really study many disciplines and truly start to understand the bigger picture, how they all relate, and really start to discover the ultimate truths of this universe. I'd like to stand on the shoulders of all the giants, because ego.

But to do so I have to make certain concessions, one of which that I am personally willing to stand is pre-chewed wagyu. I don't have the time to do all the research I want to do. It would take thousands of lifetimes. So I don't, I let MIT do it. Standford. Tokyo, Moscow, wherever, let them do the work, let them be rigorous with each other about standards, let them publish the results with the methodology, and I'll consume it. My role is to build my internal intuitive understanding of this experience to its fullest, crystallize that, and try to return back down to earth with something worthwhile to show for it. Each branch of science (even spiritual sciences) has a piece, I'm trying to put all the pieces together and solve the puzzle. :)




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