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 No.5335

Tell me what you think of my plan /improve/, I'm in serious need of some constructive criticism, please tell me what I could do to improve this plan.

Phase 1:

Instead of going to college, I want to save up enough money at whatever shitty job I am working at.

>This phase ends when I have enough money to be a NEET for at least 6 months.

Phase 2:

Why be a NEET for 6 months? Because I will spend the time to full-time improving my art and drawing skills and building a portfolio.

>This phase ends when I am satisfied with myself as an artist.

These first two phases are just something I actually want to do for fun and what I always wanted to do but couldn't because of work. These next phases are when things get serious.

Phase 3:

During or at the end of those 6 months I will look for a full-time, stable job as an artist or graphics designer for some company. I will also be doing art gigs here and there which will be a source of extra cash.

If that doesn't work then I will be doing whatever shitty job I can find that can allow me to save up enough money.

>This phase ends when I save up enough money for phase 4

Phase 4:

What am I saving cash again for? I need enough to be able to hire a programmer and maybe a few other team members and pay them salaries for 6 months or whatever amount of time is necessary so that they could work with me to produce a small video game or two.

>This phase ends when the video games we made are profitable enough to at least pay my bills and the salaries of my employees, if they aren't then I go back to phase 3 until I save up enough cash to try phase 4 again.

==Phase 5:

Continue making video games. Hire more guys. Expand game studio. Make cooler games. Live the dream…

So that's it. Am I insane or what? I know it will take a while to do this, but I am willing to give it a go. My family wants me to be a doctor or a lawyer or something, I can imagine I will be utterly depressed if I work at jobs like that so I can't do it. I always wanted to make video games and I came up with a plan like this to start. I also understand that there are a lot of shitty indie developers out there making shitty indie games, well… maybe we will be an indie company for a while but I certainly will not be making shitty, generic, indie flash games, no thanks.

So please tell me what you think, sorry if the post is too long.

 No.5336

phase 2 is cocoon mode, do not fall for that trap. Try to work on both projects at once. Learn some self-discipline.


 No.5337

>This phase ends when I am satisfied with myself as an artist.

So it never ends.


 No.5338

>>5335

NEET lyfe saps your motivation, destroys your will to even want to get out of bed, disintegrates your social abilities, and is generally a massive setback. Good luck with managing to do anything productive at all after the first two weeks, and good luck climbing out of the hole you get yourself into after several months of living like shit and running out of money.

>This phase ends when I am satisfied with myself as an artist.

You've clearly never met an artist of any medium. Protip: None of them are or ever will be satisfied with their work, it is a never-ending and lifelong pursuit for perfection.

t. 5 year NEET and 11 year music production hobbyist

Not going to comment on the rest of your "phases" because I have no experience with hiring a team or producing video games, but the fact you had to make this thread to ask if you were fucked or not tells me you don't have much faith in your plan, and I think you're right not to.


 No.5340

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>>5335

I don't want to be a downer, your dream is good. I do have a couple criticisms though, and I hope to be constructive about this.

Phase 1 could just trap you in wage-slave hell. It's funny how human beings seem to match their means of living to what they earn, meaning that if you make $8/hr you'll live the $8/hr life but as soon as you make $10/hr you'll want to be living the $10/hr life and not the ($8/hr) + ($2/hr into savings) life. Living frugal is fucking hard man, do-able but hard. This is only really possible if you have someone else paying for your living accommodations. If you are in a flat by yourself…you'll be in phase 1 forever. Have a real "I've done the math" number ready for phase 2. What does 6 months of food costs look like? Six months of rent? Phone? Internet? Get good at Excel.

Phase 2 could trap you into NEET chan mode, where you fap to linetrap all day and never get anything done. Real serious chance of downward spiral here if you don't already have good discipline. What is going to keep you from a six month vacation? How are you going to build your portfolio without a formal education and guidance?

Phase 3 has you competing against everyone fresh out of college with all of their college projects and their college portfolio. You will have to stand head and shoulders above the crowd to be noticed. Get gud. Be specific about where you want to work and what kind of work you want to do.

Phase 4 is unrealistic, that is a shit ton of money and no time at all. Six months? Nigga, AGDG some shit so you have a better grasp on what you have in mind here.

My alternative plan for you, anon:

1. Don't wait. Draw like a motherfucker now and for every day for the rest of your life. Every day. There is no such thing as motivation, habit and discipline are fucking key. If you don't already have a Wacom tablet, consider it an investment and a savings on paper, pencils, pastels, oil paints, brushes, and all the other shit artists buy. When you don't want to draw, draw. When you don't feel like drawing, draw. When you hate drawing, draw. When you "have nothing to draw", draw. When you "aren't inspired", draw.

2. If you can live on ultra-cheap frugal mode, you can NEET like crazy for 6 months to a year on damn near nothing. It really depends how much you can embrace the starving artist persona. Learn to cook for yourself, learn to like beans and rice. Fasting actually improves cognitive abilities.

3. You will be held back by all the simple minded people who think "piece of paper/degree/certification = skill". It is the same problem I have in IT: without a college degree and certifications, it can be hard to get through the automatic sorting process at larger companies (if you want to do art for like Blizzard, say).

4. An amazing portfolio will speak for itself, however. But you have to get in the door.

5. AGDG now. You really don't need much programming to throw your art into the Unreal or Unity engines, and you'll have the bonus of the technical know-how of the workflow pipeline from idea to sketch to concept to render to exporting/importing into a real working professional game engine. And who knows, maybe you'll get the programming itch and really become a modern Renaissance man who can do art and code.

6. Just continue this pattern with whatever your life situation is and continues to be: 2D and/or 3D art every day, as much as you can every day. Obsess over it. AGDG so that the art has real purpose and your "game" demo is just that: your art demonstration. Eventually you'll be good enough that the programmers and rest of the team will be coming to you because your project is awesome enough that people naturally want to be a part of it.

Just like make game!


 No.5344

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Thanks for all the good responses guys.

>>5337

:(

>>5336

>>5338

No worries here bros, for me NEET life is when I am most productive.

>>5340

That is some solid advice man. I am really taking it all to heart here.

>trapped in wage-slave hell

>trapped as a NEET

I'd choose the latter, I won't be so lazy to not do any artwork, most of the progress I made in drawing and video games in general was back when I was a NEET living with my mom or dad. When I started working I couldn't draw anything decent in the 3 years since I started.

I am considering finding some part time job instead of going full NEET, that way I will have enough time left to do some art work and I can skip Phase 1 almost entirely.

>How are you going to build your portfolio without a formal education and guidance?

That's easy, I am mostly a self-learner, everything that I already know in art is what I have taught myself and I wouldn't say I am a pretty bad artist. There is a shit ton of art projects I wanted to do from making websites to designing levels in Unreal to making models in 3ds Max to drawing dank concept art for games that I would like to see. But I just figured: what's the point of paying for rent AND college where they don't teach me anything I can't learn by myself, when I can instead just pay only for rent and learn by myself? The only thing I lack right now is time. So I am not saving up for a formal education but for a self-education, this will be cheaper than going to college but the only drawback is that there is no degree or diploma with my route but the question now is: is it really important?

So my options are these:

Assuming I take the college route: it will take me longer to save up for college but I will get a bit of better chance of finding an art-related job when I am out.

Assuming I take the self-education route: it will take me quicker to save up for NEETdom but I will get less chance of finding an art-related job when I am done.

I like your alternative that you proposed and I am considering everything that is there.

Again thanks for the great advice, it's nice to hear someone else's perspective and it's always nice to see Mr. Never Give Up man.


 No.5351

>>5335

>Why be a NEET for 6 months? Because I will spend the time to full-time improving my art and drawing skills and building a portfolio.

>

>>This phase ends when I am satisfied with myself as an artist.

>These first two phases are just something I actually want to do for fun and what I always wanted to do but couldn't because of work. These next phases are when things get serious.

Might as well not do it bro. Time is stretchable. If you don't find the time to work on anything right now, you won't find the time to do it when you'll be a NEET because you'll always find new excuses anyway. Peoples always says "If only I had more time" and the moment they have a week off they spend it either doing jackshit or going on a small (and useless) vacation saying "oh I deserved it". Every single hour you can use after work would do to start that project. Don't wait for a year and go NEET. Start now in your free time.

Source: I work full time and I do illustrating and comics work in my spare time.


 No.5359

>>5351

Anon, listen to this. I also work full time and I'm trying to AGDG in my spare time. If you think you only lack time now, just wait man. The older I get, the less time I seem to have for myself.

Out of everything here, I hope you are at least drawing every single day. This habit alone will be your saving grace.


 No.5361

What is AGDG?


 No.5362

>>5361

Amateur Game Development General, threads on 4chan's /vg/ where those who are too stupid even for /g/'s Daily Programming Threads talk about "coding."




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