/in/ - Incest

Can't you find a way to escalate, become more intimate, as well as dominant and confident in touching her in initially non-sexual ways until finally kissing etc?

Other than that I'd just recommend making yourself as desirable as possible.

Besides eating well and exercising you should stop masturbating and watching porn too. That'll have mental and physical benefits as well as making you lust after her so much more which will intensify the situation for us all (hoping you update).

And yeah fuck going to any kind of therapist. They're all scum. Well, almost all.

>>1628

I'm already attractive (thanks mother's side grandpa), not fat not skinny, if not muscled or any of that stuff. From her past boyfriends she doesn't even seem like she's into that. And if she wanted one of those muscleheads, she could pick the first one she saw up off the street and make him her bitch in day, she's attractive enough for that.

She's also in a needy state emotionally, so the kissing and hugging is already there, although we both accept it for purely platonic. If I were to take the next step and just pop her one on the lips I'd scare her off. If I were to start touching her in ways I shouldn't (even the smallest ways) with her feeling as vulnerable as she does right now, I might destroy her trust in not only me, but many future people that deserve it.

Like I said, if this ends in me hurting her in any way I can imagine, I'd feel like the worst person on earth. I have these desires for the woman, and want to share them because I believe they could be great for both our recovery processes. But it needs to end well for her. Which makes this whole thing very difficult I admit.

It's a crappy situation. I feel amazing about wanting her. Too amazing, and can't lose it. Because I'd suffer for it. I don't feel any less amazing about having her as my friend and supporting her into a strong human being.

If I was a soulless heartless cunt could do one of the things I mentioned before and get it over with. But while I'm fucked up in ways, I'm not fucked up in that way. Fortunately.

>>1628

Already don't masturbate anymore either. Wanting her disappears when I do, and when I lose that I become a pile of crap in my seat. Which is why I can't go to a shrinkfuck who would "help" me get rid of it. It strengthens me, gives me hope.

Why not just take her out somewhere and have some fun? Movies, clubs, whatever. Spend time having fun and shit instead of moping. Make it a biweekly thing.

see something u think she may like? Buy it for her, itsthe gesture of it that counts and crap. For god sakes don't think that just becuz ur skin close and shit means u can steal a homerun

You write like Elliot Roger.

But that aside, I agree with this guy >>1631. Take her out, go have fun, and be close. If you think you can escalate, go for it, but if you can't just accept it and enjoy her company anyway.

>>1627

You come across as a deluded narcissist and a fool. Quite possibly an idiot, too. Of course there are people on this board with siblings who have these kinds of fantasies. That's why the board was made. Your circumstances are quite common, anon. Most like you just learn to suppress it and get on with their lives. Yes, even when they've been so unjustly starved for decades. Even when she's the only one who has ever understood. Even when no one else in the world could possibly understand it's magnitude of the attraction or just how irrepressible it is. Plenty of people go through this. There are even occurrences when it is reciprocated, but ultimately not acted on, as it is understood how damaging and unhealthy it would be in life. How you couldn't just run away. How it would have to be hidden. How it could never be normal. How you could never be truly happy together. But here's the thing, it's hardly ever a mutual feeling. It's normally the brother who gets these feelings. Your sister almost certainly just sees you as her big brother, who's there for her. Don't destroy that, because trust me, if she's in a bad way as it is, it would destroy her.

>>1627

f I may continue my tirade, you incessantly babble on about how alone you are, and that's why you feel this way. It's not just 'an unhealthy mind', anon. It's your unhealthy mind. It's you. So you've partially recognised your problem. You undo this as you go on to justify your position by talking about your brain as if you have no control over it, and telling us it's not backed up with an additional kind of depravity. Well done you! At least you don't want to rape her. Bravo! Where's your Nobel prize? The ability of human beings to reason and recognise the irrationality of innate desires is one of the things that separates us from animals. It isn't uncontrollable, you just aren't willing to handle yourself. Just because it wasn't your conscious choice doesn't mean it isn't your responsibility to recognise reality and act appropriately.

>>1627

You romanticize it, too. It's not a beautiful desire. It is an unhealthy fixation. If I may pull a seventh grade interpretation from my rear end, you're in love with the idea of love. Problem of a classic character – the romantic narcissist. Your language suggests infatuation. You seem dangerously self-interested. You've put it out there that she's had her trust destroyed, and that's why you're in such close contact. You don't seem to care about this, though. You don't seem to care about her, but rather about this romanticization of yours, and about acting out your sexual fantasy. You again back this up with some vague notions of how it is a biological response and how if you don't act on it, you're brain will atrophy. This is pathetic. It isn't biological. It's psychological. You're right, it doesn't need a therapist, it needs you to realise it is nothing more than a simple obsession. Your sister's in a bad place. She needs your help, as a brother. Not as a suitor, because trust me when I tell you that is almost certainly not what she has in mind, and even if it was, it would be incredibly unwise.

>>1627

The idea of being with her to make her enjoy being intimate reeks of psychopathy. You can't make her enjoy being intimate. And the way you add that this would be “in a way she thought people had destroyed her trust too much for” hints at this notion again that you think you have any idea of what is going on in her mind. Some people are great at empathising, but they aren't mind readers. You come across – to me – as living in your own world, with not the faintest idea of how other people think. The bizarre concept of you fucking her while she lies there hating it because she thinks it would help you is insane! On what planet would any sister do that? You should seriously consider the possibility of you having something amiss; these aren't normal human thoughts. This isn't how anyone with any grasp of anything believes the world works. I imagine you are hugely starved of any human contact.

>>1627

You accuse people of having no compassion in telling you to go to a shrink, and never telling her. But I think it's you who is lacking in compassion. Women seldom have sibling attractions. The number of sisters attracted to their brothers is dwarfed by the number of brothers attracted to their sisters. I have no citations, but just have a look around. Look up studies into sibling relationships and childhood and adult sibling incest. Google anything about sibling incest experiences. It all points to males having this attraction towards their sisters, and it is seldom felt mutually. It's common knowledge men have a much higher sex drive, obviously. If you want some citations or sauce or anything, just let me know and I'll deliver.

>>1627

The way you talk is totally delusional. You've been away from the real world for some time, this much is obvious. You indulge in pretentious self pity a little more and then present a false dilemma. You don't have to tell her. You shouldn't tell her. I guarantee she will reject you and it will leave an inextinguishable weirdness hanging over your relationship. She won't “feel good in every way a human can,” you cretin, she'll just be creeped out. Why do you think incest is always people being drugged or raped? Sisters don't want sex with their brothers. It seems, to me that if she's vulnerable right now, you are the worst possible company. No matter how you try to justify it or what grandiose purpose you give it, all you're trying to do it get in your sister's pants. How touching.

>1627

I wish to add here, that I've been a bit too harsh and perhaps shouldn't have been so much on the attack. I'm also aware that as far as /in/ is concerned, I'm a cancerous shitposter. Why come to here and spout anti-incest shit? I was once in your position, thought not quite as self centred. While I recognise differences between individual circumstances, this isn't the way. Consensual sibling incest is just not feasible, bar exceptional cases. I want the best for you and your sister, I want you to snap out of the shit that your life has quite evidently become and join us back in reality. You need to re-evaluate some of your standpoints and have a long look at yourself. Read over what you've written here and think of the implications of what you've said. If what you've put here is truly representative of your current mindset, I think you need help, not from a therapist but from yourself. Maybe from friends, if you have any. Maybe from your sister. If you want anything at all that can help you, I suggest using this opportunity to overcome this vice and exercise some self control as a first step towards assimilating into the real world. Help yourself as much as you're helping your sister. Oh, and get laid. A hooker will do. Just get it out the way. Good luck, liebchen.

>>1641

>exercise some self control

I'm facing another 40 years not only without this feeling, a hole I until now got to convince myself by inexperience was shallow and unimportant, but without any intimacy whatsoever. You talk as if this is something you'd not even have to consider. If you do think that, you're as delusional as I am. (please respond with "just get a girlfriend" without reading the rest of this shit, it would amuse me greatly)

Second:

>bar exceptional cases

You don't fucking say. Exceptional. I'm banking on this. A feeble hope, I agree, but I have little choice under the circumstances as I'll explain soon.

>all you're trying to do it get in your sister's pants

All human action has a selfish purpose. Thanks for the lesson in philosophy.

> Oh, and get laid. A hooker will do. Just get it out the way.

That's nice, project your mental state onto mine -> suggest solution that would help you -> think you help me with it. But I'm the delusional one, right? It's not a physical need. I fantasize for my masturbatory ceremony. Pictures, videos, even written text does little to nothing to me sexually. Going to a prostitute and cheapening this whole thing would be about as bad as going to a psychiatrist and beating this cute little kitten I got to death with a bat facing the fact that I'll never have another. Which leads me to explain that if I were to take this course (which I considered heavily), my already shattered mind would have a large chance of just not being able to maintain the current positive state I'm in, and send me into this pleasant thing called a relapse from which I might take years recovering, if I ever do. Has happened before when I attempted to enter a high stress environment (do I need to explain that a serious relationship is that?) and it tore the embankment my medication had built around my condition down and I've spent the last 3 years in therapy trying to get back to a halfway normal life.

Go ahead. Tell me again how easy this choice is. How delusional I am for wanting this to end with an admittedly highly unlikely but positive outcome, rather than decades of mental instability and loneliness.

Yep, this will likely end in tears. With my sister repulsed by me and us having to work for a long time to rebuild. But the alternatives are worse, unless I'm you, which I'll reiterate I'm not and your projection does not aid me in any way despite how confident you are that it will.

>Maybe from friends

Wouldn't that be nice.

Two decades without intimacy you think I have friends?

>>1644

I'm not saying that to deny yourself something which you've built up so much in your head is a straightforward task, but it is totally possible, unless you've completely lost all ability to reason. You shouldn't bank on this being an exceptional case, either. The chances are minute. You know this and recognise it, but you're still planning on going through with it. I know the irrationality of being fixated. I'd try to convince you further, but I don't think you have any intention of heeding my advice.

I'm not projecting. Well, not much anyway. I'm just trying to use what I've learnt from my experiences, with a limited knowledge of your situation. It just seems to me that, if I understood correctly and you are a virgin, you have no idea or experience of sex or intimacy, even if totally superficial and meaningless. Even if you planned on going through with this, sexual experience would be an advantage, right? I mean, if she's had relationships before and she's 21, they were quite probably sexual? I don't know, maybe they weren't. Even if your deluded plan somehow worked, the awkwardness of a first time wouldn't exactly aid you.

>>1644

It's quite clear, too, that this is not merely physical. But it's a deprivation induced infatuation. This to me seems evident in your language and demeanour, combined with your apparent lack of experience with relationships and isolation. You current mental state is by no means a rarity, though it's seldom directed at siblings. Such unfulfilled fantasies are a 'burden' to many. When this happens, though this may be hard for you to accept, people do just get on with it. I don't just mean me. I mean people I know, people I've seen and heard. I mean characters in stories, reflective of real life. There are, of course, those who don't get on with it, and stay in a rut – obsessed, until they go insane or are left with nothing because of their increasingly insufferable nature. It's just part of the human condition. An unreciprocated attraction combined with shyness and loneliness. It's among the most prevalent of afflictions in the social world.

>>1644

It's quite clear, too, that this is not merely physical. But it's a deprivation induced infatuation. This to me seems evident in your language and demeanour, combined with your apparent lack of experience with relationships and isolation. You current mental state is by no means a rarity, though it's seldom directed at siblings. Such unfulfilled fantasies are a 'burden' to many. When this happens, though this may be hard for you to accept, people do just get on with it. I don't just mean me. I mean people I know, people I've seen and heard. I mean characters in stories, reflective of real life. There are, of course, those who don't get on with it, and stay in a rut – obsessed, until they go insane or are left with nothing because of their increasingly insufferable nature. It's just part of the human condition. An unreciprocated attraction combined with shyness and loneliness. It's among the most prevalent of afflictions in the social world.

>>1644

The fact that you claim to recognise the unlikelihood of your plan being successful, and that you are aware of your sister's current vulnerability but you are prepared to go ahead with it is despicable. You are so self involved and unwilling to recognise that while this is not your fault, it is something to control and not just an inevitable part of the human condition. A broken relationship, with a long time needed to rebuild it would be the best thing you could hope for. You don't seem to care about this girl at all, you just seem to care about fulfilling yourself. Don't give me any more Nietzsche-tier bullshit. You seem to me to be emotionally child like – in the manner of a psychopath or maybe a person on the spectrum. You've made it evident that you have serious problems and are unstable and dysfunctional. I know you aren't interested in what I have to say, so I'll stop having things to say, but I really think you should struggle to put aside your interests and look after your sister in the way that she needs, not the way that you want. There is such a thing as human selflessness, and thinking so is not naivety. Oh, and you know…

…just get a girlfriend.

>>1649

>…just get a girlfriend.

I told myself I wouldn't wade into this thread but what the hell.

The piece of advice above is the only piece that matters. You say you haven't had intimacy? create some. There's all sorts of people like you, whatever you're like, try to find them. Sure, it will be hard. Sure, you may strike out and get it wrong. But that's better than having an unhealthy obsession that, in your own words, will most likely end up destroying the bond you say is so important to you.

>People trying to talk OP's autistic ass out of trying to get anywhere with his sister instead of just writing the possibility off immediately and leaving OP to his sure-fire suicide by cop within the next few months and/or years

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