/int/ - 72% opinion

>>320057

I don't think the bible-beating ones will assimilate. Then again, most of them think that Europeans are godless socialists, so they won't move to Europe.

>>320259

>learn to shit

It is not about learning, it is about having money to build enough toilets and maintaining them. Rich Indians like me have access to toilets. Poor people in rural areas and slums lack them.

Most Indians didn't worship cows until recently. Cow was sacred but not deified. People used to eat cows, including the priest-caste.

However, only recently some states have begun banning beef. Now only the low castes, Christians, and Muslims eat beef; and all the middling castes have begun emulating the priest caste in their food fascism.

Unfortunately, many Indian expats are of the priest-caste and that's where the stereotypes of tee-totaling cow-worshiping Indians comes from.

A lot of educated Indians believe in the freedom of choice of food.

>>320270

Bullshit, when the goverment builds toilets for the lower class they fuck it up. And would rather NOT poo in loo.

Don't you bring that bullshit here, when Christians gave all you all the great things you enjoy in your modern life.

Btw, how is Goa? Oh, that's right NOW IT'S A SHITHOLE.

At least you have decent spicy food. But I guess that doesn't help your poo problem.

>>320273

Actually, the toilets are being gladly used, especially by the younger people. But, we will probably run out of money. It seems you are referring to some anecdotes recently reported from Uttar Pradesh. Those people were illiterates and don't understand what a microbe is. Their school-going children probably would've loved to use them.

>Christians gave all you all the great things

That's like saying we would have never developed or imported any knowledge or technology if the Christians had not arrived. China was never fully colonized, remember?

You know how Christianity was in the 16-17th century, right? Back then various European powers fought for a piece of India. The British got most of India, the French got Pondicherry and the Portuguese got Goa.

At that time Goa was the biggest shithole in India, with the Catholics and Goa Inquisition happening, everyone was running away from Goa. So we are thankful, that Portugal got only Goa, otherwise they would have destroyed every invaluable monument and burned all our literature. The British were bad, but the Portuguese were just religious freakjobs.

Fortunately, Goa has recovered from its dark history and is now one of the most developed states. The last CM had banned a Hindu right-wing group which intends to reconvert the Christian natives back to Hinduism.

>At least you have decent spicy food. But I guess that doesn't help your poo problem.

Thanks. Your ancestors came to India for these very spices. We don't eat super spicy food in every meal, just on special occasion. Just as Americans don't always eat burgers and hotdogs. But everyone thinks KFC and Burger King is American staple food. And you don't always eat lampreys and snails, do you?

>>320282

>Actually, the toilets are being gladly used, especially by the younger people.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/india-rejects-the-toilet-how-government-sanitation-drives-have-failed-to-sway-those-who-believe-10466041.html

In rural India, a strong cultural resistance to the build-up and disposal of excrement is also leading to rejection of new latrines

>That's like saying we would have never developed or imported any knowledge or technology if the Christians had not arrived

Without the Brits you'd still be a divided shithole. I mean many times did small forces of like a few Portuguese men exterminate Indian armies in the thousands. Because you were kind of dumb and lacked technology, strategy and tactics.

>pic related

At first you were a craddle of civilization, but I guess your incredibly fertile land and weather made you grow complacent and careless?

>China was never fully colonized, remember?

And they ridiculously underperform compared to their potential.

>You know how Christianity was in the 16-17th century, right?

Yeah, it was the religion of the world's most advanced cultures and countries. The inquisition might have been harsh, but it is greatly exagerated in its scope and numbers, and it mostly happened in Spanish lands. Atleast it didn't lead us into decline like modern atheism.

>with the Catholics and Goa Inquisition happening, everyone was running away from Goa.

That's bullshit, hindus were common in Goa even in the 19th/20th century, and the inquisition wasn't a Portuguese thing, it was a Papal thing. People in the colonies had a very high degree of freedom. I need some sources on that if you want me to believe you.

>would have destroyed every invaluable monument and burned all our literature

Why do you say that?

>but the Portuguese were just religious freakjobs.

[citation needed]

>and is now one of the most developed states

I wonder why :^)

>Your ancestors came to India for these very spices.

They knew what's up.

>We don't eat super spicy food in every meal,

But I heard it helps your mucus in the indian climate. That's why spicy food in india is actually pretty practical.

>And you don't always eat lampreys and snails, do you?

Snails are rare except in the south.

Lamprey is just a normal fish, and not one of the most consumed ones tbh.

>>320291

>In rural India, a strong cultural resistance

Media cherry-picking. The data have been encouraging under the monitoring project.

>Without the Brits you'd still be a divided shithole.

That's like saying Europe is currently a divided shithole because they didn't allow Napoleon to invade them.

Despite being a British colony, they mostly used India as a source for revenue and raw material, and a market for finished goods. The Industrial Revolution essentially passed us by. We got the trains because they helped move the raw material faster.

The argument that the British integrated India, is exaggerated. British didn't invade the whole of India. In many cases, they signed peace treaties with local princes/warlords and princes/warlords paid them tributes. (See map).

After the British left, it was a bloody mess. India and Pakistan's democratic leaders had to threaten and in some cases had to go to war to acquire these princely states. The integration of India was done by Vallabhbhai Patel, just like Otto von Bismarck integrated Germany. The problem of Kashmir between India and Pakistan arises because Kashmir was a princely state and acceded to India. Pakistan believes that it should go to them because it is Muslim majority state and that we are oppressing them.

>Because you were kind of dumb and lacked technology, strategy and tactics.

Calicut was actually a very small kingdom. The British took four decades to end the Maratha kingdom despite having allies in other Indian rulers.

>credibly fertile land and weather made you grow complacent

The Indian subcontinent was under a single king for brief periods of time. The various kings rarely allied against external threats.

>Yeah, it was the religion of the world's most advanced cultures and countries.

The 16th century Christianity came very close to devolving into fundamentalism. The Portuguese Inquisition was allowed by the local viceroy. It would not have been possible without their backing. Goa is 25% Catholic, very high for a mainland Indian state. It is obvious they didn't convert peacefully. The Goan Inquisition was known for destroying temples, mosques and literature. They even destroyed the holy trees.

>I wonder why :^)

Goa is high in HDI because it has recovered from Portuguese mismanagement and developed in the the last few decades. Interestingly, Kerala (formerly Calicut) is the highest in HDI.

>But I heard it helps your mucus

[citation needed]

Most Europeans get their ideas about Indian food from restaurants and television. But, the daily fare of Indians is mostly bland. We don't cook spicy unless we have guests or there is a wedding, birthday or festival. Even I shit fire after eating at a wedding, but not as badly as Americans/Europeans. If you want to taste out our daily meal, you should go to an Indian family or temple and ask for a plain meal.

>>320427

>That's like saying Europe is currently a divided shithole because they didn't allow Napoleon to invade them.

No since we have the world's best standart of living, unlike you.

>Calicut was actually a very small kingdom. The British took four decades to end the Maratha kingdom despite having allies in other Indian rulers.

Why are you ignoring numbers?

>The Indian subcontinent was under a single king for brief periods of time. The various kings rarely allied against external threats.

You were still underperforming, miserably. That just makes it even worse.

>The 16th century Christianity came very close to devolving into fundamentalism.

Close? That means nothing. Either it did, or it didn't.

>The Portuguese Inquisition was allowed by the local viceroy

Like there was much of a choice. Allow it or have the papacy nag you into oblivion.

>It is obvious they didn't convert peacefully.

Hahahaha, because the hindu/Indian caste system that treated them like human garbage was better, right?

>The Goan Inquisition was known for destroying temples, mosques and literature.

[citation needed]

>Goa is high in HDI because it has recovered from Portuguese mismanagement and developed in the the last few decades.

So shouldn't the regions that didn't have to "recover" from our rule be even better off? Your argumente makes zero sense. Cut down on the bang my mang.

>[citation needed]

>Most Europeans get their ideas about Indian food from restaurants and television. But, the daily fare of Indians is mostly bland. We don't cook spicy unless we have guests or there is a wedding, birthday or festival. Even I shit fire after eating at a wedding, but not as badly as Americans/Europeans. If you want to taste out our daily meal, you should go to an Indian family or temple and ask for a plain meal.

http://www.livescience.com/32752-why-does-your-nose-run-when-you-eat-spicy-food.html

http://www.simple-remedies.com/health-food/benefits-of-eating-spicy-food.html

>>320480

>No since we have the world's best standart of living, unlike you.

Centuries of exploitation and missed economic development, and decades of socialism, and then being compared to Europe. Compared to nations who gained independence around the same time, we are doing good. Now lets talk about Portugal's debt.

>Why are you ignoring numbers?

Because they did not have cannons and specialized ships. It would not have possible against other kingdoms.

>You were still underperforming, miserably. That just makes it even worse.

Nope, we were doing average. (See table). But, the arrival of Islam and Europeans stagnated the development of the economy.

>Close? That means nothing. Either it did, or it didn't.

Ignoring own history. Learning nothing from it.

>Like there was much of a choice. Allow it or have the papacy nag you into oblivion.

Letting padres nag the rulers, letting godheads have power over state. Then claiming helplessness.

>Like there was much of a choice. Allow it or have the papacy nag you into oblivion.

Implying Portuguese were saving Shudras from Hinduism. Getting treated as hoards of lost souls to be saved by accepting Jebus is way better. Right. Accept Vishnu, Nastika, you may just yet escape Naraka. Repent or be reborn as a Mleccha in next life.

>[citation needed]

-Flight of the Deities: Hindu Resistance in Portuguese Goa (1996)

-The Goa Inquisition (1961)

-A History of Religious Persecutions, from the Apostolic Age to the Present Time: And of the Inquisition of Spain, Portugal and Goa (1861)

>So shouldn't the regions that didn't have to "recover" from our rule be even better off?

Implying the Portuguese sowed some seed of development in Goa which sprouted decades after they left. Goa was worse off in the 70s and the development is recent.

Whoa, tone down the maconha, mano. Too much will make you a batata.

>http://www.livescience.com/32752-why-does-your-nose-run-when-you-eat-spicy-food.html

Only one of the citations is reliable. The daily Indian meal won't make your nose run. Only special occasion food is spicy enough to make your nose runny.

>>320515

Implying I am Punjabi. Did you see a turban? Am I dancing bhangra?

>>320050

>Most Europeans think that you are a Canadian/Bostonian/Mexican no matter where your relatives came from.

How's that working out ofr you?

>>320560

>Because they did not have cannons and specialized ships.

You have just proven my point. Indian tech = poo.

>Nope, we were doing average. (See table).

Hm, are you looking at estimates for year 1? If you look at 2003 you have the LOWEST in the entire table.

BTFO

>But, the arrival of Islam and Europeans stagnated the development of the economy.

Crybaby. We, and the Spanish, had to go through the reconquista and it didn't stop us.

>Learning nothing from it.

Either it did or it didn't. It was actually better to have strong Christianity, than today's decline. You are not actually making any argument here.

>Letting padres nag the rulers, letting godheads have power over state.

Tbh as long as it fought degeneracy, it was acceptable. And take note, being that I have some converted jewish heritage, that side of my family probably converted because of stuff like the inquistion. But I see their convertion as a good thing, then again I am Christian so I have a bias towards that.

>Getting treated as hoards of lost souls to be saved by accepting Jebus is way better.

Actually yeah, we atleast gave them a bit of equality. We even tried to mix with them to try to create a new breed of Indian, more loyal to us. But due to the cast system the only indians able to mix could at best only generate kids outside the system, and not ones that could rise inside of it. And we would need the high casts to mix too for that.

>you may just yet escape Naraka. Repent or be reborn as a Mleccha in next life.

So, we offer heaven. You offer re-encarnation. But we also give them a little more equallity in this life. So… We actually offer more.

>-Flight of the Deities: Hindu Resistance in Portuguese Goa (1996)

>-The Goa Inquisition (1961)

>-A History of Religious Persecutions, from the Apostolic Age to the Present Time: And of the Inquisition of Spain, Portugal and Goa (1861)

Can you post exerpts of that? It's not that easy to buy and read 3 books overnight, due to some /int/ serious disgussioon :-DDDD

>Implying the Portuguese sowed some seed of development in Goa which sprouted decades after they left.

That's kind of the only explanation. Or maybe the Portuguese genes in the Goans gave them a higher IQ or something. If it was not due to us, then tell me why. I'm here to read all about your opinion.

>Only one of the citations is reliable. The daily Indian meal won't make your nose run. Only special occasion food is spicy enough to make your nose runny.

But maybe, IF overall your food actually helped with mucus, it would make sense.

>>320609

>I just blew his colonial apologist theory, that the British integrated India, to shreds. And I am btfo? Do you even read, bro?

You didn't actually prove anything. You just spouted subjective opinions.

>>320618

>>320611

Such butthurt, whoa. Not reading anything, shifting goal-posts.

>They did, they united India under their rule.

Nope. The British only integrated 40% of India. If they had done it completely we would not have fought in the 1948 battles against the Kingdom of Hyderabad, against Junagdh and in the Kashmir wars. Then we signed like a hundred treaties with princes, nawabs, tribal leaders, and warlords, paid them pensions under the Privy Purse system. The 1961 invasion of Goa would have been unnecessary. And Pakistan would not be fighting Baloch separatists.

>Indian tech

You seem to have deluded yourself into thinking that in the Battle of Calicut, Calicut = India. It is quite smart that Portugal avoided confronting the Marathas at the height of their power. Calicut's ships had mostly faced only pirates before going up against Portugal.

>We, and the Spanish, had to go through the reconquista and it didn't stop us.

The Reconquista doesn't compare to the waves of Mongols and Muslims, followed by centuries of occupation by Muslims and followed by centuries of colonialism. Then followed by five decades of socialism. It seems you don't understand the scale. Anyway, we are doing better many former colonies.

>It was actually better to have strong Christianity, than today's decline.

True that. Strong Christianity is doing wonders in Uganda. You should totally emulate them.

>We even tried to mix with them to try to create a new breed of Indian, more loyal to us.

Conspiracy theories? That's your ace in the hole?

>Or maybe the Portuguese genes in the Goan…

May be the Arab genes from the Reconquista makes you make up such hilarious conspiracy theories.

>So, we offer heaven. You offer re-encarnation.

That was a joke that you didn't get. Not understanding religion is a scam in this day and age.

>You didn't actually prove anything. You just spouted subjective opinions.

Seriously, have you provided any verifiable fact except that spicy curry is spicy?

What's next, probably you will vomit your lamprey stew and call it proof?

>>320623

>implying

>we would not have fought in the 1948 battles against the Kingdom of Hyderabad, against Junagdh and in the Kashmir wars.

So you are proving that the goverment of India, after being colonized and conquered, continued the colonial tradition, and colonized and conquered the other Indians. My point exactly.

>The 1961 invasion of Goa would have been unnecessary.

If you weren't such ADHD retards we would have given it back to you peacefully in great shape, like we gave Macau to China.

>It is quite smart that Portugal avoided confronting the Marathas at the height of their power.

And they, in the height of their power also avoided confronting us. Their tech was still shit even if better than Calicut, they were although more sofisticated in their strategy tactics I assume.

>the waves of Mongols

That I must agree. It is a true curse having to deal with the entire, wrathful horde of the mighty Finnish.

>Strong Christianity is doing wonders in Uganda.

It sure did well in Europe and America. So Uganda's problem is being black, not Christian.

>May be the Arab genes from the Reconquista makes you make up such hilarious conspiracy theories.

Yet you have no counter-argument as to why Goa is superior.

>Not understanding religion is a scam in this day and age.

If you haven't reached true alt-right enlightenment in such blasphemous times how can you ever reach the loo?

>Seriously, have you provided any verifiable fact except that spicy curry is spicy?

Have you?

Nigga pls.

btw take the banter in good spirits, I'm not trying to insult you. Just to have a jolly ol' verbal rub with the lads

>>320627

Ok, you win and I lose. We are all convinced by your superior arguments and irrefutable evidence.

Goa and Brazil are most developed because they have superior Portuguese genes in their DNA. Catholicism is only true religion. Strong Christianity removes degeneracy. Torresmo is the best weapon against Islam. Portugal is the best European country and has the best culture. They discovered all the new lands and enriched their native cultures. And you are the enlightened alt-right ubermensch and your word is logos.

Happy?

>>320636

>Brazil

>Developed

>Catholicism is only true religion

I am Christian, but not I don't consider myself Catholic.

>Strong Christianity removes degeneracy

Not completely, obviously, but it helps.

>Portugal is the best European country and has the best culture.

Not really.

>and enriched their native cultures

That we did tho. We even brought firearms to the Japanese.

>Happy?

Yes. And I enjoy that pic, consider it saved.