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 No.320861

Why American ghost is so cute?

・How about in your country? Your ghost is cute or horrible?

・Is ghost popular among the children?

Is there ghost in your country?

・Your opinion about the ghost culture in your count

 No.320862

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Das kleine Gespenst is cute too


 No.320865

The ghosts of Finnish mythology are called kalma. There are harmful, harmless and helpful kalma. They are often described as terrifying and even deformed, especially the harmful kalma. No, they're not popular with children I think, but the American ghosts may be.


 No.320867

>Is there ghost in your country?

yes, and there are ghost tours in Australia.

Port Arthur is a popular one because of the prisoners that were tortured and killed there, 1000 in all. There are many documented ghost stories from there.

Fremantle gaol is another, but not as good as far as I know.


 No.320868

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

I think we only have the holy ghost around here.

>>320865

Do you mean Kalmah?


 No.320869

A lot of people believe in ghosts in general but not in specific ghosts as far as I know. I'm not sure if kids now are into ghosts but when I was a kid, everyone told each other ghost stories that were obviously fake and as horrible as possible. :^)


 No.321044

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* Our ghosts are horrifying. There are several varieties of ghosts that vary with the region.

* They are used to scare children when they don't listen. But ghost are thought to be and some people wear amulets and rings to ward them off.

* There have been some attempts to kiddify ghosts, but they have not been popular.

* Most of the adults and children believe in ghosts. In urban areas, some educated adults may deny believing in them. There are professional exorcists and ghost hunters here. But most of our ghost movies suck.


 No.321468

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Thank you all for your replying. All of them are very interesting for me.

At first I wonder if there are ghosts of human in each of your country.

In Japan, there are some kinds of ghosts.

・ghost of human ← they are created when a human died

・Youkai

・Oni, Tengu

and so on.

Almost all of them are popular and very horrible among Japanese children.

However Among of them, the human ghosts are especially based on the way how people personally think of human death in each country as well as the mythology or the demon story based on the each cultures and some religions, I think.

In fact even adults in Japan sometimes don't like to live the house where a person killed himself or were killed by someone in the past.

Is there any same feelings even if human ghosts are not popular in your country?


 No.321469

I was not allowed to post pics of Yokai, Oni, Tengu here….. ; _ ;

>>320862

so cute :)


 No.321471

>>321044

Do you ever get Catholic priests to do the exorcisms or do those not work according to Hindus?


 No.321480

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>>321471

When Christianity was introduced in India, they brought along their own myths and rituals. With a significant number of converted people, it is not unusual for some Christian priests to claim to be exorcists and faith-healers to swindle people. Note that most Christians in India were converted from lower castes and tribal groups, so they tend to be less literate.

Mostly Christian people go to these exorcists and faith-healers, but sometimes people of other religions may go to them when they have exhausted all other avenues. Hindu exorcists generally scoff at them. Some faith-healers use their local fame to proselytize patients and their families.

In the Indian horror film, 1920, a Christian exorcist fails to dispel an evil spirit, whereas the protagonist succeeds using a Hindu hymn, essentially mocking Christian exorcism rituals. The film also mocks atheists, the protagonist being one initially.


 No.321487

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>>320861

>tfw you will never be a farmer bullied by południcas for staying in the sun for too long


 No.321488

Soviet Union killed all our ghosts.


 No.321503

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>>321468

>>321468

Yes, I also believe, the culture and religion of the region affects how ghosts and other supernatural events are viewed.

I am somewhat aware of Japanese ghosts and supernatural creatures from consuming too much Japanese media. But, ghosts are rarely portrayed in Indian media. Most of them are usually cheap late night anthology shows.

A brief introduction to Indian ghosts and supernatural beings:

1. Bhuta: The immortal soul of a living being. Sometimes get trapped in this world. Usually, they haunt places where they lived.

2. Preta: Tortured souls, which are stuck in this world. They tend to range from mischievous to pretty freaky and violent.

3. Pishacha: A race of undeads that appear in Indian mythology. They used to rule an entire kingdom in the myths. There're some unreadable texts that allegedly belong to their culture.

4. Vetala/Baitala: A spirit, which in its desire to be alive again, has possessed a corpse. A being of this kind plays a prominent role in a collection of fables.

5. Asura, Rakhasa, Daitya, Danava: Malevolent races of power-hungry beings. They date back to the early twilight of creation. Humans are essentially collateral damage in the everlasting struggle between them and the gods.

6. Deva/Devi: The gods. They may be powerful planet-destroying gods or minor deities. Sometimes they send avatars to walk among men. Sometimes they themselves pass through this world. Sometimes they possess people.

It is still common to see reports of goddess possession from rural India. Almost every villages has a shrine, where people claim that a god was spotted once or had rested once. Some conman swindle illiterate people by claiming to be minor avatars or vessels. They are called godmen.

7. Yaksha: Usually neutral, demigod-like beings. Sometimes like to play tricks on men. Can get angry and violent. They sometimes guard immerse treasure piles. Some them serve Kubera, the god of wealth.

8. Naga: Snake-like shapeshifter beings who live in the underworld. They possess gems called nagamani inside their skull, which can bestow extraordinary luck and powers on the possessor. Sometimes they disguise themselves and walk among men. They appear in quite a few films. The comic-book character Nagraj is a Naga.

9. Apsara: Celestial immortal nymphs which serve the gods. Very pretty. Seeing one will make a man lose interest in human women. Known to have married some mortals.

10. Tantrika: Formally it refers to a practitioner of Tantric Buddhism. But colloquially, it refers to a shaman. They exorcise ghosts and can summon spirits to do their binding. Sometimes they use their clout to order deaths and start witchhunts.

11. Churel: A witch. Can cause crop failures, kills cattle, cause stillbirth etc. Innocent women are frequently accused of witchcraft and killed in rural areas.

Introduction of Islam also introduced their supernatural beings like djinns and malaks.


 No.321536

>>320862

would be less cute if it's the ghost of a jewish child killed in the holocaust though.

which it isn't

since the holocaust didn't happen


 No.321539

>>321536

It's nice to see another anti-semitic Indonesian here


 No.321590

>>321536

>>321539

>Holocaust denial

Can somebody please explain to me why anyone would want to deny the fact that the Holocaust happened? Why is the Holocaust not a point of pride for anti-Semites? I for one take great joy in knowing that so many Jews died, yet all they can do is whine about it. Jews don't have the backbone to get even, and that's what makes them the perfect victim. Why should they not be seen as a victim? They are a victim, but there's no honour in being a victim. Being a victim is a shameful, shameful thing. The Jews of Germany could have prevented the Holocaust by genuinely assimilating or at least respecting German culture, but instead they chose not to do that. They were a cancer to Germany and Germany began aggressive treatment, which, while it ultimately failed, is proof of the German people's strength. They almost cured cancer. Had they not lost the war, Europe could have become a much better place. But they lost the war. Denying that, and denying the Holocaust, are nothing but a burden; the Jews take pride in being victims, so why should anti-Semites not take pride in being their victims? Turn the media against the Jews by using their hypocrisy and you'll succeed… No amount of Holocaust denial is going to do you any good when everyone except you agrees that the Holocaust did in fact happen. So what if the Holocaust happened? Why is it bad to be called an anti-Semite? Why aren't you proud of being one? Embrace the Holocaust and maybe one day you'll have hope of a future Holocaust, regardless of whether the Holocaust happened or not. If you want to get rid of Jews, you have to grow some fucking balls.


 No.321593

>>321590

>not getting the ironic humor of holocaust denial

did your sense of humor disappear with your empire ?


 No.321597

>>321593

Is that really all it is? So /pol/ bans people for not sharing their sense of humour? There are people out there circlejerking in Nazi uniforms over how the Holocaust didn't happen because it's funny? My sense of humour does include irony but I'm still more of a dead baby nigger type of a guy. Just because I currently live in the UK doesn't mean I'm British.


 No.321599

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>>321597

>/pol/

why do you even go to that shithole? they are just right wing-liberals who larp as nazis


 No.321602

>>321599

I don't, except maybe once a month to see if there is a thread that needs some shitposts.


 No.321675

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As far as the pop-culture and tourist attraction goes, almost every castle in Poland has a legend about a maiden in white clothes walking around it at night.

But in the older traditions, there were cool things like for example good house spirits. Back in the day, before christianity, the deceased one's body would be burned, and the ashes buried by their family's house entrance, so that his spirit would guard the house and the family.

Another pagan tradition related to ghosts is the celebration of "Dziady" ("The Old Ones"), also called "Gusła". It was a ritual led by "guślarz" (sort of a slavic shaman) in order to redeem the losts souls or guide them to the afterworld. It actually kept being practiced long after the western Slavs accepted christianity. The ritual was neatly described by polish poet Adam Mickiewicz in his drama "Dziady part II". The custom was celebrated somewhere around Halloween.


 No.321683

>>321675

>The Old Ones

Is Cthulhu one of them?


 No.321684

>>321683

grandfathers would be the closest translation, but today it has a insult value in modern times


 No.321721

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>>320867

I know there are some famous ghost tours in Australia and some of them are introduced in Japan.

I heard in Australia, the ratio between the burials at the ground and the cremations is about half-and-half. (And nowadays the percentage of cremations is increasing. )

Do you think this may be the reason why ghost tours are popular in your country?

In addition, I wonder if it may be associated with England where ghost tours are also popular.


 No.321722

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>>320861

"Cuteness" is primarily determined by the target market. Alma in the F.E.A.R. games was a ghost too.


 No.321729

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>>321722

>"Cuteness" is primarily determined by the target market.

It has a kinds of very intelligent points, I think.

Japanese ghosts have aspects the warning for persons who try to bad things (kill people, steal something, waste things without thinking and so on) and children who sometimes risk in dangers.

Ex. The kappa is one of Yokai that lives in the

waterside and it pulls people who into water. It is said Kappa has the warning for children who like to play in water.

On the other hand, they sometimes appear in some markets that need various meanings.

I have a lot of pieces in my "word office", because it takes long time for me to read, think, and how reply for each of posts here and w-write English.


 No.321770

>>321683

The name of the celebration technically refers to the ancestors, because that's who the ghosts belonged to, and can be translated as in >>321684

I just thought "The Old Ones" sounded much more fancy and mystic in english.


 No.321805

Cool thread!


 No.321824

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 No.321852

>>321729

>large nose

>kippah

>white-looking victim

Kappas are water jews.


 No.321859

>>321852

Jews are gay


 No.321971

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>>320861

Hokusai painted cool ghosts


 No.321972

>>321488

Ein Gespenst geht um un Europa, das Gespent des Kommunismus.


 No.322008

>>321721

Ooh yes, there are a lot of cremations. Important people are almost always buried, but for the average Australian there isn't much significance attached to burial.

I'm not exactly sure why ghost tours are popular as they are. I do know they are a good, fun activity to do with family/friends. People like the excitement of the fright/spooky factor, and the guides are very good at telling the stories of the ghosts.


 No.322019

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Im quiet interested in such stuff and eager to share some of the more obscure Grimm-tier ghosts of our folklore.

You can basically part them into dangerous apparitions that were once pagan gods/spirits and then got devilified after the arrival of Christianity, ghosts made from people who failed oaths or blasphemed the lord and got punished this way and then bodies of deceased ones who still hold the soul in them due to unproper burial and paratize on the living in some way.

That last one is found in most european countries and seems to be a belief transmitted from the antique.

An example for a most likely pagan concept turned into a spook is the Roggenmuhme.

A wrathful female spirit that lives in rye fields and appears as a towering old hag with coalblack or pale white skin, her heart and nails are made of iron and she is covered in a multitude of tits made from various materials such as wood, iron, glass and silver which excrete poison, blood or tar.

She is able to transform into animals or the wind.

She lives under the earth below the ryefields and often appears at noon and while she claims a part of the harvest as her food she also fertilizes the field by her presence while punishing or favoring the peasants to her liking by making their work harder or easier.

The Roggenmuhme seems to really fucking hate children though.

Children who run through the ryefields alone are prone to getting catched by her, which usually ends in most terrible torture and death, such as various forms of mutilation with shears and sickles, getting squashed in a churn, devoured or forced to suck her poisonous tits.

Other weird ghosts based on prechristian influence are the numerous kinds of dwarfes in german folktales which are often helpful if treated fairly but can vanish or perish under ridiculous conditions, such as the Heinzelmännchen of Cologne who agreed to do work at night under the condition that noone left the house to see them at that time, or the Moosweiblein (Moss-girls) hairy little female cobolds hopping through the woods helping travellers for food but die if fed caraway.

Ghosts made from people who failed oaths or blasphemed can be similary bizarre.

Such as the Muhkalb, a ghost appearing as juvenile cow with burning eyes and an oversized head howling loudly at night and spreading terror.

In one case it was said to be a perished Butcher who sold dog-meat as cow-meat and denied all accusations by swearing to be born again as a cow should the rumours be true.

Also Aufhockers who lurk in the woods at night and hop on peoples backs in order to rush them to death or exhaustion by forcing them to run, getting heavier if the vistim curses, sometimes with the goal of leaving a forest or place they were bound to by a curse.

I remember being told such a story as a child in a village in my range-Schweinheim.

Then there are the corpse based ghosts, such as Nachzehrers, basically people in medieval times believed that corpses of evil and unloved people would curse their relatives with illness and nightmares from the grave, so you had to bury the corpsee head down or drive nails in it.

People believed such tales literally up into the 18th century until the great secularisation and the spread of education and literacy which led to the tales of the spooks getting passed on not as a belief but as a mean of identification for a village community which could pride itself on an own story which sometimes got immortalised in small monuments.

The few germans/europeans that believe in ghosts, often do so not in a local folcloric sense, but by the overaching western/american way to imagine ghosts now, the Poltergeist (deep-but-loud-noise-ghost) being an exception that made it into american/world-culture due to its simplicity.


 No.322084

>>322019

Good read


 No.322100

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There are plenty of ghosts here and you basically wont be able to find a person who does not believe in ghosts. Even is not religious in any other way people will still believe in ghosts.

I think the core of this is ancestor worship. Its common to burn underworld money at specific dates,for example winter solistices and the other of the 24 segments of the year, also qingming festival of course.

In the seventh month of the lunar calendar there is the ghost month in which the dead are allowed back to the world of the living.

They have to be feed and entertainment has to be provided, eg first rows of seats at plays are seats for them not for living people.

It is said that problems caused by hungry ghosts who are not feed and properly taken care by their families. So there also has to be some food on the street for them so they dont cause harm. People avoid travelling, swimming etc. at that time. Also no whistling when walking the street at nigh because it attracts them.

Other way people turn into hungry ghosts is that they behaved wrongfully in their previous life and became ghosts in the next one.

There are different types of these ghosts.Three categories and three ghosts each. Poor ghosts, ghosts of modest means and rich ghosts.

For example needle mouth ghost has a mouth only as big as a needle and cannot satisfy his hunger and thirst. It is a form of punishment. He belongs to the poor category.

A "hoping for thrown aways ghost" feeds on what humans leave behind but is also dangerous because it can also steal peoples life energy. (its a play of words: 希弃鬼 and 吸气鬼 sounds the same. ) This ghost belongs to the rich category.

Its also common to put door gods on your door to keep ghosts out. There are many different door gods by now. The origin is said to be that an emperor had bad dreams that he was visited by ghosts and two generals guarded him therefore which helped. But the emperor thoughtit was too hard for them to keep awake every night so he had them painted on the doors.

There is also zhong kui, who is in charge of keeping the ghosts in order. He can also serve as a door god for a single door which does not have two sides.

I think by ghost this type of being is meant, a dead human which is called 鬼.

There is also 妖,but this is not a dead human but a demon, often based on an animal.

>>321468

>In fact even adults in Japan sometimes don't like to live the house where a person killed himself or were killed by someone in the past.

Exactly the same. I know people who bought an apartement but a worker got killed during construction. So now they dont want to live there but they also only can sell it way below the price they paid.


 No.322102

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>>322019

> her heart and nails are made of iron and she is covered in a multitude of tits made from various materials such as wood, iron, glass and silver which excrete poison, blood or tar.

This is just like my chinese….wait, this is not at all like muh anime.

good thread


 No.322103

>>322100

>underworld money

That's this fake paper money because people don't burn real money anymore, right?


 No.322120

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>>322019

I have read Grimms'. Which book should I read next for more German ghost stories? Also, please suggest some popular modern fantasy authors from Germany.


 No.322123

>>322120

>ghost stories

Dunnoh.

A lot of the more obscure and interesting stories are a tad harder to find because they were rarely written down or only avaible in german on very local websites.

Just as a westener would probably dont find that much beyond the surface of indian demon/ghost myths due to the depth of it by superficial research on english alone.

>fantasy

Walter Moers.

May look childish at the first glance, but your in for a hell of a ride:

http://www.amazon.de/Rumo-And-His-Miraculous-Adventures/dp/1585679364


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>>322103

There are different types of it.

One has the picture of the jade emperor on it and is made to look like currency.

The more basic version is just a sheet of yellow paper. Other type is gold paper folded to look like gold bars used to look like in imperial times.

What is used varies from region to region.

Not just money can be offered, there are also cars, houses, even servants made of paper that can be given to the ancetors.


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>>320869

You are familiar with Japanese media? ^^

Then you may know Asura and Yaksha are famous in Japan and they are told as supernatural beings relating to Buddhism. However I was surprised when I knew they were from ancient India culture and were taken into Buddhism later, after your post. (I also knew 般若”Hannya” is from prajna!)

I know the percentage of Buddhism is about 1% now in your country, but the Buddhism was born in India.

(byway my world's history test gave me 4/100 score when I was a high school student..)

I think there are two points in this.

1. the bases of traditional thoughts in each areas sometimes still remain if there are the transitions of some religions.

2. countries have things in common with some other countries, but they changed uniquely in each counties. To discuss the background of this helps to know one part about the other country.

>>321675

Your post suggests very curious things for me.

The custom before christianity and the custom that remains after christianity may show the traditional and cultural consideration of death (and the lives) of your country.

>the deceased one's body would be burned, and the ashes buried by their family's house entrance,

>so that his spirit would guard the house and the family.

This is very peaceful and may be closely linked with

>>322100

>the core of this is ancestor worship.


 No.322164

Holy shit, I would've thought they'd censor 8chan. I guess it's not on their radar yet…


 No.322166

>>322164

Same.

It is important for children to know what to scare around them. Almost children are sleeping at night, then the darkness must give strong er impact for them.

Therefore they may like ghost stories in the invisible situations.

I have a lot of stories that were obviously fake and as horrible as possible like you :9


 No.322168

I'm sorry

>>322166

is for

>>320869

>>322164

HW has already given them you. You save here, the the Messiah.


 No.322169

I am sorry.

>>322166

is for

>>320869

>>322164

HW has already given them you. You save here, the Messiah :D


 No.322170

I am sorry again.

Please hide or please delete >>322168


 No.322205

>>322168

>>322169

FIX IT GENETIC DUD


 No.322206

>>321590

Because Jews are still demanding money from Germany to this day for the Holocaust.

Also because it's used to amplify white guilt.

But that's all off-topic.


 No.322207

>>322206

you have arabian ghosts, or is it haram to talk about that kind of folklore now?

>>322100

Heard about those needlemouthghosts once in an indochinese context, do you share much culture with thais, vietnameses/burmeses or are there just as many instristic differences?


 No.322216

>>321675

>good house spirits

More like neutral house spirits tbqh


 No.322220

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>>321729

So kappas are Japanese drowners? I wonder if the concept of a creature that pulls people into water appeared in several places in the world at the same time or if it's some older, Eurasian myth.


 No.322222

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>>322220

Best way to keep children from doing stupid things is to scare them. You don't want your children drowning so you come up with a monster that lurks in the waters: kappa, wodnik, näkki etc. Unsurprisingly many cultures have done so - independently, common origin sounds very improbable (European - East Asian divergence happened a long time ago, pre-ag).


 No.322224

>>322220

I don't think they're all a part of some Eurasian myth. I like to see it as some kind of primeval fear of deep water. Also the Scots have shape shifting horses that drown unsuspecting people :^)


 No.322228

>>322207

We have Djinn.


 No.322229

>>322222

Sweet quints.

>>322224

>Also the Scots have shape shifting horses that drown unsuspecting people

Yes, kelpies. Do we have any Celt posters here?


 No.322232

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>>322207

Vietnam has been influenced a lot by chinese culture. Their society is also confucian and their imperial governmental system was a copy of the chinese system (as is the current one), they used to write in chinese script with added characters developt on their own called chu nom , they just changed to latin script with french colonialism.

Religionwise they have lots of chinese deities like the jade emperor, tian hou, fu lu shou etc. and they also have Mahayana, big vehicle, buddhism like in china not theravada, small vehicle, buddhism like Thailand.

But they also have their own religious traditions added to it, like mothergodesses and animstic practices, some come from the cham people which used to have a kingdom in what is now southern west vietnam like Thien y Than Mau.

Thailand also has some chinese influence but less. In buddhist temples in Bangkok I saw also many chinese gods like fu lu shou and guan yu seems to be especially popular.

The needle-mouth ghosts may be a buddhist concept and therefore also existing in these countries. The concept of a punishing hell itsself came to China with buddhism and was also incorported into daoism. So also the idea of this kind of ghost sounds like its buddhist.

But this is my own speculation.

Dont know enough about myanmar religion to tell about any connection to china.


 No.322236

>>322229

There's plenty of Americans, but I don't think Irish heritage counts.


 No.322351

/aus/ here

near my hometown there's an old mining town called Walhalla, it's pretty spooky. there's 20 residents down from 4000 when the mines were open but because it's remote it didn't end up like detroit. there's lots of abandoned houses and the way the mines go through the mountain at night you hear screams and shrieks from the wind.

you get paranormal investigator weirdos who suck, but every so often someone who isn't a wingnut and definitely didn't get a bunch of old timey gear and photoshop gets a photo with ghosts in it. it's happened three times since I was a kid and goes back way before digital cameras.

there's also phantom lights but I'm sure they're reported in every country and mysterious stories about large black cats or panthers. not sure what else. there's lots of aboriginal desert spirits and monsters but I don't know anything about them.


 No.322360

>>322351

>Walhalla

How did they choose that name for a mining town?


 No.322374

File: 1457296033973-0.jpeg (40.98 KB, 340x519, 340:519, Bishamonet-actual.jpeg)

File: 1457296033974-1.jpg (87.13 KB, 500x630, 50:63, Bishamon-Noragami.jpg)

File: 1457296033974-2.jpg (225.41 KB, 381x500, 381:500, LION_DURGA.jpg)

File: 1457296033974-3.jpg (101.44 KB, 423x570, 141:190, Vishnu-garuda.jpg)

File: 1457296034000-4.jpg (41.82 KB, 232x400, 29:50, Kubera.jpg)

>>322162

Okay, I think this was addressed to me.

So, I was recently watching Noragami and noticed that Bishamon rides a lion. So, googled to check if other Japanese gods ride animals. I was disappointed. Because you see all major Hindu gods ride an animal. They are smart and are called vahanas. Some gods have more than one. So, they are similar to the regalia concept used in Noragami.

You may be interested to know that Kubera on which Bishamon is based, rides human beings.

Buddhism was popularised in India by the patronage of some emperors like Ashoka and Harsha. Ashoka is also noted for spreading it outside India. But, Theravada Buddhism is difficult for most people to follow. People want quick fixes for their daily problems, not nirvana. So, people reverted to Hinduism after some time. And Buddha was adopted as one the avatar of the god Vishnu. Some later dynasties' patronage towards Hinduism, finished off Buddhism in India.

The Buddhism which was exported from India, underwent similar changes due to the people's desire towards quick-fix rituals. They either reverted to their old rituals or merged them with Buddhism. The serious followers then also merged their local philosophies into it. Thus, resulting in the sects which are now classified as Mahayana Buddhism.


 No.322376

Here a lot of people claim to believe in ghosts but don't, others pretend they don't believe in anything but blame ghosts for everything that happens.


 No.322378

File: 1457297201778.jpg (1.19 MB, 1536x1026, 256:171, Valhall.jpg)

>>322351

Don't mind us, we're just having a party down there.


 No.322397

>>322164

Whose cunt are you referring to? China? I'm pretty sure China doesn't care about Mongolian cave painting forums.


 No.322437

File: 1457326982029-0.jpg (175.95 KB, 600x1265, 120:253, 斗母元君1.jpg)

File: 1457326982051-1.jpg (162.01 KB, 640x960, 2:3, 82-151230153J3.jpg)

>>322374

>gods riding animals

Can you pls tell my why ganesha rides on a rat?

Pic semi related, its dou mu who rides on a pig, or a pig pulled chariot.


 No.322449

File: 1457345597529.jpg (43.64 KB, 691x515, 691:515, ganesha-with-mouse.jpg)

>>322437

I'm pretty sure that a lot religious myths were written by troll priests to see how far the plebs could be fooled.

Anyway…

One of the stories behind the mouse is this. A gandharva (celestial being) once offended a sage. So the sage cursed him to be born as a mouse on earth.

The gandharva begged for mercy. So, the sage said that his life will be short and he will find his way back to the heaven. The gandharva was born as a giant monster mouse and rampaged through the jungles. People feared it and many heroes fell to it.

Once it made the mistake of attacking a monastery. The monks prayed to Shiva to slay the mouse. But, Shiva was busy. So he sent his youngest son, Ganesha. Ganesha went and lay in ambush. But, when the mouse came, he tamed it, instead of slaying it. Thus, the gandharva found its way back to heaven, but remained a mouse. Then, they live happily ever after and got fat on sweets.

Some minor Hindu goddesses or avatars like Vasundhara and Chandi also ride pigs.


 No.322601

>>322360

it was a kraut ghetto until the wogs showed up.


 No.322631

File: 1457470863636.png (465.12 KB, 360x501, 120:167, 1361406761_1075351278.png)

>>322601

>>322449

Thanks for the answers.

> lot religious myths were written by troll priests to see how far the plebs could be fooled.

I am more in favor of the schizophrenic religious specialist concept.

Still a nice story with Ganesha and the monster mouse.

>Vasundhara and Chandi also ride pigs.

Are they connected to star constellations?

Dou mu is the "mother of the chariot" which relates to the star constellation of the chariot, i think its plough in english.

Another thing I always wanted to know more about related to Indian stories, is Hanuman.

I think Sun WuKong has probably his origins in Hanuman, but I dont know much about him.

Pic related.


 No.322656

File: 1457484200951-0.jpg (605.04 KB, 1280x1990, 128:199, 791393-hanuman.jpg)

File: 1457484200953-1.jpg (52.74 KB, 550x693, 50:63, Rama.jpg)

File: 1457484200955-2.jpg (203.71 KB, 250x450, 5:9, Ravana.jpg)

>>322631

There are gods and sages associated with the constellations, but the ones I mentioned are not constellations.

I believe Sun WuKong is not based on Hanuman. Hanuman in contemporary Hinduism mainly appears as the sidekick of the hero Rama in the epic Ramayana. But, there are other stories of him, most of them have been retconned.

The Hindu texts describe an entire kingdom of Vanara, a race of ape-like humanoids. The kingdom was called Kishkindha. Hanuman was the son of demi-god Vanara king Kesari and the apsara Anjana. He was blessed by the wind-god Vayu with the ability to fly. He was trained by the sun-god Surya.

He played an important role in the war of Rama against the demon-king Ravana of Ceylon and he helped Rama rescue his wife Sita from there. Hanuman did not marry and rejected his inheritance, so he is the patron god of MGTOW Hindus. However, he had one son who was born when some of his bodily-fluid was swallowed a fish. The son was half-vanara and half-fish was called Makardhwaja. He is the gatekeeper (later guardian) of the underworld, Patala.

However, in the Hindu texts of the East Indies. Hanuman fucked a mermaid and the son was called Macchanu. In both versions, Hanuman met his son for the first time when he travelled to the underworld to rescue his bro Rama and his brother Lakshman from the demons, Ahiravan and Mahiravan. The weapon of Hanuman is a legendary mace. Hanuman is also reputed to have set fire on the capital of Ceylon during the war, using his tail as a wick. He also carried a herb-filled hillock from the Himalayas to Ceylon to save his bro Rama from poisoning.

Other Vanara characters that appear in the epics are: Sugriva, Vali, Angada etc. There was also ursine-humanoids. Their king was called Jambavat.


 No.322686

>>322656

>I believe Sun WuKong is not based on Hanuman.

The similarities are quite stricking I think.

>sidekick

Sun Wukong is also the protector sidekick of 唐僧 tang seng, whom he is loyal to.

>kingdom of Vanara, a race of ape-like humanoids.

Sun Wukong is he monkey king who rules over a kingdom of apes

>can fly, fights demons, travels to underworld to rescue people

So does Sun wukong.

>legendary mace weapon

Sun Wukong has the 如意金箍棒,golden banded as you wish staff, which he got (rather extorted) from the dragon king of thee eastern sea.

Given the huge influx of indian religious concepts, gods and stories into China with buddhism I think its hard to imagine that the Chinese came up with such a similar character on their own.


 No.322699

>>322686

看你表现


 No.322766

File: 1457611741028-0.jpg (107.8 KB, 600x412, 150:103, d0037233_11571890.jpg)

File: 1457611741059-1.jpg (1.24 MB, 530x940, 53:94, Oukyo Maruyama.jpg)

File: 1457611741070-2.jpg (180.36 KB, 1176x1775, 1176:1775, Senjaku Nakamura.jpg)

File: 1457611741085-3.jpg (32.76 KB, 600x424, 75:53, Ghost photo without foot.JPG)

File: 1457611741089-4.jpg (39.55 KB, 580x326, 290:163, Ghost photo with feet.JPG)

>>322164

Yes, and also Oukyo (丸山応挙 Oukyo Maruyama), born brforeHokusai is famous as an artist who painted "ghost picture" in Edo Period.

It is said that he started painting the Japanese human ghosts who have "no foot " .

There are some opinions .

1. He dropped tea on his picture but he didn't remake it

2. In Kabuki, one of Japanese traditional stage arts, the actors performing ghosts who hid their each foot got popular

I thought ghosts of human have no foot and wondered why some ghosts in photos have feet when I was a child.

(Actually I don't believe ghost tbh, but I use the words "ghost" photos here)

After I posted this thread and studied about Japanese ghost culture deeply in order to post here, I found the reason why ghosts of human with no foot is from Japanese old art.


 No.322771

File: 1457615620633-0.jpg (157.28 KB, 900x459, 100:51, 歌川国芳 日本駄右衛門猫之古事in 1847.jpg)

File: 1457615620655-1.jpg (220.29 KB, 479x318, 479:318, Syutendouji.jpg)

File: 1457615620666-2.jpg (22.27 KB, 380x285, 4:3, 23927.jpg)

>>322222

I agree and you have good suggestion.

But on the other hand, the fire is also dangerous as well as water but I wonder if there are the ghosts that warn children not to play with fire in the world .

There are some ghosts related to fire in Japan, but almost all of them don't seem to have this meaning. I don't know why.

Do you have some ghosts who are related to fire and keep children out from the fire????


 No.322773

File: 1457619965662-0.jpg (373.23 KB, 800x1332, 200:333, Houghton_Lowell_4211.30_-_….jpg)

File: 1457619965663-1.jpg (559.94 KB, 1769x1195, 1769:1195, papyrus.jpg)

>>322228

I googled for Djinn and I'm very interested in it.

>There have been the Djinn before Islam came

>The قرآن qur’ān, Koran admits Djinn 

>In the Djinn, there are Muslim and non-Muslim

Do you have some any special story about the Djinn? I wanna know.

>>322205

I really apologize to you and understand to make you angry again, because >>322766

is for

>>321971

>>322100

Yes,

Buddhism, Christianity, and Islam don't have human spirits as ghosts that haunt livings because of their each religious faith,

However we feel it.

>don't like to live the house where a person killed himself or were killed by someone in the past.

You told me a lot and I think you gave me one of the answers >>322100

>the core of this is ancestor worship.

I will consider it again and again, then I want to ask something.

Btw

The pics of >>322138 have red and yellow, and I feel "wow, they are Chinese "

Is there any special historical meaning, toward Chinese ghosts, red and yellow in your country?

>The money for dead people

>They use it in order to make the life in death serviceable

This is like the papyrus. They are completely for ancestors in dead.


 No.322778

egytian fag here

there is this female ghost called (naddaha : the caller) said to be a very attractive woman who seduces young men (farmers) in the empty places during the night by calling them with a familiar sound to the victim so they don't get scared. after she seduce you she takes you from this world forever and you can't go back.


 No.322779

>>322773

ex muslim here

jin are said to be the former inhabitants of earth before humans, after god created Adam the earth was considered to be the realm of Adam and his offspring, jin still live on earth but in different dimension where they can see us but not the opposite. they don't interact with us usually, but sometimes they do as Satan is considered their king. they can interact with us using magic.


 No.322781

>>322773

the second photo is the Duat, the underworld in the ancient egyptian mythology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duat


 No.322792

>>322771

I know about ghost explanations for more special kinds of fire - atmospheric ghost lights. Not aware of any fire ghosts for scaring children - perhaps it's because the danger of fire is more obvious than water.

Although in Finnish mythology there is the concept of viha, diseases inflicted by the väki if you disturb their environments. The fire väki live in fire giving fire its features. If you disturb the fire väki, they will give you their viha - burns and blisters. The väki are not ghosts though, but elf-like fairies.


 No.323642

>>322773

>red and yellow,

Red is considered a fortunate color.

In the new year red is used to fend of the monster that used to came to take children around that time.

It is also associated with full yang energy and with expension and blooming.

Yellow is also considered a good colour. It was the color of the emperor, only his buildings were allowed to use yellow roof tiles.

In the underworld money however it is supposed to be gold.

It is related to balance of yin and yang energy and stabilisation and ripening.

Its also the color related to buddhism. Temple walls are often painted yellow.

So you can see red and yellow are the best colors, especially mixed together.


 No.323768

File: 1458271485015.jpg (1.77 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, 134947.jpg)

I recently went to a temple which also had a display of departments of the afterworld.

Some are related to gods, ghosts and demons.

If there is interest I can post some (bad quality due to shitty phone) pics.

Pic related, department of retribution of evil 恶报司.


 No.323784

>>323768

Please post them.


 No.323786

File: 1458275870288-0.jpg (1.97 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, 無主孤魂司.jpg)

File: 1458275870339-1.jpg (2.04 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, 枉死司.jpg)

File: 1458275870888-2.jpg (2.18 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, 山神司.jpg)

>>323784

Fist is the department of ghosts nobody takes care of. Which I also mentioned above. As nobody feeds them, they are hungry ghosts which wander around and may cause trouble.

Second is the department of people driven to death. They are driven to suicide by other and therefore become ghosts who still have a grudge.


 No.323787

>>323786

Third one is the department of mountain gods.


 No.323788

File: 1458276559752-0.jpg (2.04 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, 魍魉.jpg)

File: 1458276560061-1.jpg (1.77 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, 山林鬼神司.jpg)

First one is the departement of 魍魉, which could be said to be demons or monsters. They are not the spirits of dead humans.

Second one is the departement of mountain forest spirits. Also not dead people but the spirits of certain places like forests.


 No.323789

File: 1458277180345-0.jpg (1.75 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, 地狱司.jpg)

File: 1458277180345-1.jpg (1.61 MB, 3264x1836, 16:9, 十五种恶死司.jpg)

First one is the department of hell.

Second one is the department of 15 kinds of violent death. It is responsible for letting people who did bad things die a violent death themselves.

In both pictures the cow head demon can be seen, together with the horse face demon they are the guardians and general staff of hell.


 No.323830

File: 1458329217127.jpg (793.13 KB, 1200x765, 80:51, Wimpfen-Fegefeuer.jpg)

>>323768

>>323786

>>323788

>>323789

Woah, these statues look interesting, to which chinese faith is the temple affliated?

Painted wood I presume?

Were they restaurated or survived Mao's purge by default?

Also for what kind of stuff you got shoven into hell in chinese mythology, was it a permanent thing or more of a temporary "cleansing" like the catholic purgatory?


 No.323832

>>321852

So you're saying Kappas are Dutch?


 No.323845

靁填填兮雨冥冥,猿啾啾兮又夜鳴。

風颯颯兮木蕭蕭,思公子兮徒離憂。


 No.323846

>>323845

ching chong hu tao chin hua

fuck off rice nigger.


 No.323853

Our ghosts are gay.


 No.323854


 No.323899

File: 1458449880007.png (1.42 MB, 1320x892, 330:223, ClipboardImage.png)

Well,we have a ghost ship that hipnotizes people to get in.

There's a lot of variations of what happens when you get in,but they always end in you converting into a ghost.


 No.323901

>>323899

>ghost ship

it's the bolivian navy's flagship


 No.323909

File: 1458473774942.jpg (189.06 KB, 611x767, 47:59, 20080613085635422.jpg)

>>323830

Its a daoist temple.

The figures are just plaster, they also are rather new from a restauration in the early 90s.

Hell is just temporary, stay and type of punishment depend on the graveness of sin. Afterwards its back to reincarnation.

There is a King of hell, and ten judges of hell.

Which one is responsible for which sins I have to look up.

Gravest sin for example is killing your parents.

Its fairly similar to most other religious rules for behaviour, killing, stealing, lying, adultery are bad.

In Buddhism there are other grave sins, like killing a luohan, spilling blood of a buddha, causing schism in the clergy, but these are just related especially to buddhism.

The sin also results in a specific type of rebirth for example as an insect. There are different departments for those.

There also are departments in the otherworld which are responsible for prolonging and shorting the lifespan of a person in accordance with their deeds.




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