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 No.322154

Is the world over populated?

 No.322155

>>322154

Only Africa and Asia.


 No.322156

The other day I said yes and mentioned the impending race war if we don't start reducing the population. This was in a class at Uni. As you can imagine I was called hitler and lectured about peoples rights to have as many children as they please and that all countries deserve the unsustainable luxury enjoyed in the west.


 No.322159

Africa is, the rest of the worlds population already declines and could feed itself easy, if it werent for us being wasteful as fuck.

>>322156

I can see restrictive policies like in china being an option for places like India should they ever be in danger of having more people then they can bear without collapsing in a war for ressources.


 No.322160

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No and yes. It really depends on what you mean by overpopulation. From the perspective of space by itself, the answer is no. There is still a ton of undeveloped land all over the world that could be used to house people, we produce enough food (at least calorie-wise) to feed everybody- globally, famine will only happen when distribution lines get fucked up.

Natural resource-wise, you could potentially make the case that the world is overpopulated, but generally speaking production will increase with consumption- generally. In terms of skilled labor positions, I would say that there exists a deficits. There are an enormous number of people who simply have no place in the modern economy. They lack the skills and training to do much of anything. Moreover, overpopulation is increasingly obvious in a world that is becoming more and more urban. Living in this kind of proximity to so many people is a departure from how humans normally interact with the world around them.


 No.322186

>>322154

I know how to fix overpopulation.

Let's send all asians to Mars and all africans and niggers to Venus.


 No.322187

>>322186

The Asians would return in a hundred years and nuke Earth from orbit with their starships.


 No.322188

>>322187

No. Let's form an alliance against the Reptillians Jews.


 No.322193

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>>322188

Jews would probably retreat to their homeland in Pluto or beyond and bribe an alien race to invade Earth and subjugate humanity.


 No.322194

>>322193

We should send all people who don't have a foreskin to Mercury.

We should control Mercury. We should put a price on air.


 No.322195

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>>322194

>implying jews aren't shapeshifting aliens

>implying mercury isn't one of their bases

>implying jews don't control space travel


 No.322197

>>322195

Then we fuck them over and conquer our solar system.


 No.322199

>>322160

correct


 No.322231

Yes

Overpopulation isn't a future problem, it's a present problem. Don't just take the number of people into account today, take into account the birth rates, agricultural sector, industry etc. If you take those into account, most countries in the world are horribly overpopulated.


 No.322290

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>>322159

Actually, we tried it for a while. But, it didn't work out. Around 1975, we adopted something called a "Two Child Policy". Any man having two children or more, was told to get sterilized. We were a bigger shithole back then, we didn't even have enough doctors and clinics to pull off this. Many under-qualified doctors lied on their CVs to get the money. Surgeries were performed in tents where they lacked clinics. Basically, a lot of people of died. There was a lot of criticism of the government. It was called undemocratic, even dictatorial.

No politician would dare talk of an "One/Two Child Policy" today, because of that. Following those events, the government switched to indirect approaches. Family planning was introduced in schools. (Western-style sex education is still opposed by the Hindu right-wing states.) Adult education programs were started. Birth controls were heavily subsidized. Research into cheaper contraceptives were undertaken. Today, we not only produce some of the world's cheapest contraceptive and even export them to other nations who need them. You may have heard of the male contraceptive called Vasagel, undergoing trials. Now in the future, no women will be able snare a man by getting "accidently" pregnant.

Today not many people want to have more than two kids. Some try to have at least one son, so they try again and again only to get a bunch of girls. Some abort female fetuses and try again. This method has resulted in skewed gender ratios, especially in states like Punjab and Haryana. The government has introduced several affirmative action policies to increase the preference and acceptance of girl babies. At least on policy papers, India is an awesome place to be a girl. Especially, if you are a tribal girl.

Basically, people use various birth controls to space their children. You can buy them for cheap at any drugstore or for free at government clinics. After two children, people usually get sterilized. It is free at government clinics. It is also covered by most insurances if you opt for a private clinic. However, there have been reports of doctors at government clinics giving false diagnoses to women, like ovarian cysts, so that they would opt for more complicated procedures. The doctors get paid more that way, since it is all subsidized. (Some tribal groups and religious groups have rejected birth controls.)

This approach has worked well both for India and Bangladesh. India's current fertility rate is 2.47. It is slightly below the world average of 2.48. It will continue to fall. By 2030, we will be at replacement rate. However, the population will seemingly continue to grow because our life expectancy is increasing rapidly. After 2050, the population will begin contracting.

We are self-sufficient in terms of food. The slow population growth will not affect it, because we were farming in traditional methods until the 1970s. The introduction of newer methods continues to increase our food supplies. We are now even exporting food. We are still largely dependent on monsoons outside the major river basins. We plan to change by building more dams, watersheds and the ambitious river interconnection project.

By the way, is there any plans to impose birth controls on the migrants? Because I just noticed their home nations have very high fertility rates compared to Germany. With first-world level health care, free education and other freebies, they may feel encouraged to have even more children. At this rate, they will out-breed you guys.

Feel free to ask more questions.


 No.322293

>>322290

How can germans have more children?


 No.322306

>>322290

>impose birth controls on the migrants?

das rayciss

>>322293

>germans having more children

das also rayciss


 No.322319

>>322156

>talking about ebin race wars in uni classes

that's pretty autistic tbh fam


 No.322326

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>>322293

Fooling an educated citizenry to have more babies is near impossible. Although I am sure, German and Japanese researchers may have proposed several options that don't involve migrants.

Poor nations have more children partly because that child mortality is high. The extra children serve as insurance. But, when the child mortality is reduced by better healthcare, it contributes to population growth. Africa always that high fertility rate, but no one notices because a lot of those babies die. However with aid and improving healthcare, they will see a boom in population. A lot of them also don't know about birth-control or reject it due to religion. In the last century, South and East Asia contributed the most to the world population. In this century, it will be sub-Saharan Africa.

Furthermore, a lot of poor people think that children can serve as extra sources of income, so this contributes to child labor or prostitution. Children, especially male, are treated as old-age pension. Those people don't think about the future, like the cost of child-rearing and education, unlike educated people. They think that tomorrow will take care of itself and focus on surviving today.

When people wise up to what getting married and raising kids involves, and that you can't make them do labor, they stop having children or even getting married. Rising standards and cost of living also contribute to it.


 No.322346

>>322290

Wow, very informative. I had no idea India showed such foresight as far back as the 70s.

Honestly though, does first world level health care have a chance at being attainable to more tribal areas in your opinion? And, if not, will that make the tribal areas a drain on wealthier areas from economic migration because of their dependence on ever increasing progeny? Hope that makes sense, I am tired.


 No.322350

>>322290

Also, I think you are being nieve about food export. You need to take into account the types of food exported, which are usually cash crops. Cash crops, like rice, only provide cash, not food, because people can't survive solely on rice. Good nutrition demands a varied diet. An increase in cash crops can indicate land used that would otherwise be for other produce for local consumption. Imported produce can be more expensive and have limited variation in type and thus nutrients. And so an increase of cash crops could mean a choice between food or more money for other needs like land rental. Production and export increasing rapidly can be an indicator that people are desperate and starving. This of course isn't necessarily the case if the country can manipulate a poorer country or countries to produce food for them very cheaply. An example of this can be the U.S.A. using Mexico for sugar, until Mexico grew too wealthy and now the U.S.A. is increasing hf corn syrup production crippling Mexican sugar back down to a cheap price. I don't know enough about Indias' imports to comment on that.


 No.322354

>>322326

Translation:

Denying children their right to work and introducing a socialist pension system leads to nation's self-genocide.

Kisses,

/pol/


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 No.322370

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>>322350

>>322346

Actually, we probably won't be able to provide first-world healthcare to rural, poor urban and tribal population in anytime is the next 30 years. Currently, we are focusing on reducing the child mortality rate and increasing their life expectancy.

Major diseases affecting children are being brought under control using vaccines. Workers trek into remote villages with iceboxes to ensure everyone is vaccinated. We now focusing on rota virus, intestinal worms, hepatitis B etc. under a multi-vaccine program and with generics. Midwives from rural and tribal region are being given formal training to reduce child mortality. Pregnant and nursing mothers can claim handouts to ensure better nutrition. There is a project to connect major villages to the nearest hospital by road. Some states are experimenting with tele-medicine. Public-sector schools offer a free balanced lunch to all children. So, nutrition-deficiency related diseases are being reduced. The average height of Indians has grown by a 0.5-2 inches during the past two decade according to studies.

I was actually aware of the difference between cash crop and food crops. We are considered self-sufficient in food grains, some vegetables, pulses and diary. Other indicators like grain yield-per-hectares have shown great improvement since the 1970s when the reforms were introduced. However, China's yield-per-hectare is almost twice. Thus, proving more improvement is achievable.

We used to import food grains from US back in the 70s. Nowadays, we import them only when the monsoon fails. For example last year we imported lots of pulses, because the monsoon failed and pulses are the major source of protein in our diets. Some fruits which don't grow in tropical climates are imported. We import processed food products from Australia, because our food processing industry is lagging. Some spices are imported from Sri Lanka and Indonesia. We import nuts from Benin.

Major cash crops for us are cotton, sugarcane, buffalo, oilseeds etc. Some strains of wheat and rice are grown mostly for export. We also export spices, of course. You may have heard of Darjeeling tea and Malabar coffee.

Most of the starvation occurs in India, because of supply and demand mismatch. Our food distribution and storage system in very inefficient. The government is creating buffer stocks and improving the freight network. A food security bill has been introduced which will provide poor people with some basic groceries at subsidized rates.


 No.322379

>>322370

I heard that working in the cotton fields is one of the absolute shittiest jobs around due to the large amount of pesticides used.


 No.322394

>>322156

>the impending race war if we don't start reducing the population

There will be no race war unless you and your filthy thought/pol/ice go out of your way to start one. Overpopulation will not cause a war, much less a race war, in any region where resources are not an issue. The only reason a war over resources would happen anywhere in Europe or Asia is if the resources are taken from the people — which generally is indeed happening all around the world — but even then, European and Asian standards of living are higher than African standards of living. Yet, even in Africa, wars are almost never fought over resources outside the Sahara. No race war has erupted in Africa — not even in South Africa or Zimbabwe where white genocide is a real threat — and the idea of it happening in Europe over threats that are absurd to even imagine is too far-fetched for anyone but the most delusional self-condescending servative to consider. You want a race war because you're racist. It's that simple. There's nothing wrong with preferring to be with your own race, nor with your own religious or linguistic community, but wanting to exterminate other races and/or religious or linguistic communities is absolutely the worst thing that a person can wish for as it blinds them to the universal truths of human nature. If you pretend to rise above nature while sinking below it, you're nothing but a burden to the world.

>>322160

I might misunderstand what you mean but if you are saying that more land is to be used for construction, then you're wrong because that is not a solution. Deforestation and other forms of destruction of nature are only going to make the problem worse. We need to do land reclamation, terraforming, river-creation, etc. to make the world a better place for our species to live in without wiping out everything else.


 No.322402

>any land nation

>overpopulation

get the fuck off my planet


 No.322406

>>322326

>africa population

;_;


 No.322452

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>>322379

The farming labor sector in India is divided into landed farmers (or cultivators) and agricultural laborers. Landed farmers own their farms. Farmers with small farms tend to their own fields. Farmers with larger farms hire the above mentioned agricultural laborers. They are 144 millions of them. (Note: Deck hands on fishing boats and net-repairers are also included in it.)

The agricultural laborer is probably the one of worst economic classes in India. They are paid too little. They suffer from seasonal unemployment. During droughts and off-season, they don't get paid. The subsidies targeted at farmers don't benefit them much. Their work is hazardous and toiling.

They spray pesticides from hand-cranked pumps, without any protective apparatus. Most of the cotton in India is still picked by hands. Because it is simply cheaper that way than buying machines. Cotton-pickers suffer from chronic respiratory diseases. However, many are leaving and moving to cities to work as construction workers. Recently, some cheap cotton-picking machines have been pushed in the market.

The government has a rural employment guarantee scheme to protect them from seasonal unemployment. There are also skill development programs so that they or their kids can find employment in the manufacturing or infrastructure sector. Hopefully, with increasing labor costs, alternate employment opportunities and mechanization, this economic class will disappear.


 No.322459

>>322326

We really need to just kill all niggers man. That said if the population gets so bad in Africa disease and starvation will solve the problem.


 No.322465

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Niggers should be killed


 No.322467

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>>322452

I studied agricultural science briefly and that first picture makes me sick looking at it. They should at least provide them respirators and clothing that covers exposed skin.


 No.322476

>>322394

What a fucking hippy idiot you are. Wars over resources happen all the time and the oldest and most common war is tribal, as in racial. Now imagine when rock phosphate runs out and modern agriculture can no longer support the over inflated population it created. People will fight for their relatives, it's instinctual. However it starts, it ends in a race war. That's not racist, it's human instinct when faced with starvation.

>>322370

Very interesting read. It sounds like India is doing well. You mentioned storage. I just recently got back from Ethiopia. A common opinion there is that the next step for produce is refrigerated storage but in order to justify the cost they need an increase in the middle classes to afford fresher produce. There are even degrees now focusing entirely on implementing storage in growing economies.


 No.322614

>>322467

>he cares about human rights

Take it or leave it.


 No.322615

>>322614

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 No.322646

nobody cares a little


 No.322671

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>>322476

We are not doing so well. The success of our family planning policy, agriculture reforms and tax reforms, will make or break everything.

Cold storages are only a small part of the reforms. Another major part is the logistic industry. The produce passes through 3-12 middlemen to go from the farmer to the consumer. Most of the middlemen don't add anything of value, they don't even own cold storages, and only some own trucks, but they take the largest cuts. We do have some professional logistics firms or departmental shop chains, and they don't enter the food transport business because of the cartels of middlemen and archaic laws. The entire system technically can be replaced by a farmers' cooperative or a retail firm like Walmart.

Middlemen undercharge the farmers and overcharge the consumers. During the times of scarcity, they hoard the stocks and release them only when peak price is reached. They don't care if a few thousands die in meantime. They exist partly because of the complex tax system of India. Each state has its own tax system and only the middle men know how to navigate them all. The barely-literate truck driver certainly can't figure out the forms and stamps. The proposed Good and Services Tax Act, will impose a simple unified tax regime. This will also boost small businesses who rely on middle-men and don't have an army of tax accounts like big firms. But some states have opposed it, because they feel that they will lose revenue.

Recently, e-commerce firms have been rising in India. They mostly sell gadgets like phones and TVs, and some premium clothing. Some have risked venturing into online grocery stores. They have decided to deal with pre-existing courier and logistic firms, instead of middle men. Thus, the price of these products are way lower than the market prices. A lot of middle-class people for the first time are waking up to the evil and invisible middle-men. But, retail stores are also feeling the kick as the consumers vote with their wallets. The retailers and the middle-men have formed lobbies to halt all these reforms, tax e-commerce and logistic firms heavily. Some states have fallen to them and imposed additional taxes on e-commerce goods.

Most of the food is transported by road. It is slow. We don't have emergency lanes and accidents many cause delays for hours. Trains are mostly focused on transporting people. Food is rarely transported by trains as it is even more slow and expensive. Some political parties think that blocking highways and rails is an acceptable form of protest. Such a protest recently strained our relationship with Nepal. The government is improving the road and rail systems to make them freight friendly. Only recently, someone in the government figured out that you can run barges on rivers. Currently, they are mapping and surveying navigable waterways.


 No.322842

>>322615

How autistic are you Brazil, to post such perfectly arranged redtext rares?


 No.322843

>>322842

RARE

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 No.322849

>>322843

I will fuck your daughter and give you the sloppy seconds.


 No.322854

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>>322849

>fucking a gorilla

>>322154

Not if we kill whity to give us the extra space


 No.322868

>>322854

>Not if we kill whity to give us the extra space

Hi, Shlomo!


 No.322870

Yes, but it would be easy to fix if you just nuked Congo.


 No.322877

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>>322854

me on the left

t. me


 No.322883

>>322870

But that's where Umbongo is made!


 No.323294

>>322842

>>322843

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>>322870

NIGGER

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 No.323305

>>323294

RARE

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Come on, you can do better.


 No.323767

>>322154

Duh, yes?

We should make a virus that creates infertility, make it selective to certain haplogroups


 No.323774

>>322394

>>322476

I hate to say it but the britcuck is right: what we consider "racism" is actually the common way of thinking everywhere else. The chinese are super-racist for our standards and so are most asians and africans which are all racists to the bone and talk in terms of racial and national supremacy all the time.

For example black south africans fucking hate black nigerians, you might look at them and think they are all the same but its not uncommon to see a nigerian beaten to death or set on fire in the streets of SA. Of course the SA leadership doesnt do shit because they agree, they're all racists and euro countries are too chickenshit to talk about this.

At the same time europe and other first world countries are importing the very worst of these countries, pretty much every illiterate borderline retard who couldn't get a job or even finish school left for europe when all the lefty leaders there declared that they would take literally anyone in.

The chinese have a say:

>"Its easy to be generous when you're not hungry"

The reality is that most of these immigrants are being contained through a welfare economy thats unsustainable, and when europe can no longer afford to keep them housed and feed for free things are gonna get very ugly very fast




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