/islam/ - 8ch Masjid

Answered on the Infinity Next board for you.

Well, since the Next board is awash, I'll paraphrase here:

It depends on the nation. Qur'an doesn't really touch on the subject of Transgender people; however, nations like Iran considers a Trans woman to be a natural born woman and pays for her treatment and reassignment surgery as part of their national health care.

While there is no menstrual cycle, there is a hormonal cycle that can be monitored as the time when the woman would have been menstruating had she been born with proper lady parts.

All things are created by Allah. To hate the creation is to hate the Creator.

"[Satan said:] “I will lead them astray and fill them with false hopes. I will command them and they will cut off cattle’s ears. I will command them and they will change Allah’s creation.” Anyone who takes satan as his protector in place of Allah has clearly lost everything.” (Surat an-Nisa’, 119)"

"I will command them and they will change Allah’s creation."

"He(Muhammed – peace be upon him) said: “Approaching the Hour you will find: men imitate women, and women imitate men”."

Just saying.

>>11044

عن ابن عباس رضي الله عنه قال: قال رسول لله صلى الله عليه وسلَّم { لَعَنَ اللهُ المُتَشَبهِينَ مِنَ الرّجالِ بالنّسَاءِ، وَالمُتشبِهاتِ مِن النّسَاءِ بالرّجَالْ } وقال ابن عباس رضي الله عنهما : لعن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم المخنثين من الرجال ، والمترجِّلات من النساء ، وقال { أخْرجُوهُم منْ بٌيُوتِكم } رواه البخاري.

>>11044

Thanks.

>>11056

>“Approaching the Hour you will find: men imitate women, and women imitate men”

Trans women are women though. Trans men are men. We aren't mimicking our gender, we are that gender. You can say that crossdressers are mimicking the other gender, but being trans isn't the same thing as being a crossdresser.

>I will command them and they will change Allah's creation.

Sex reassignment is a medical procedure like any other. If you're against reassignment and think it's "changing Allah's creation", then for the sake of consistency I hope you're also against people who wear glasses, or have fillings in their teeth, or received vaccinations, or gotten a heart transplant, etc. etc.

>>11058

Transgender people are not "men who imitate women". So, that hadith does not apply.

>>11062

Then what are they supposed to be? They definitely seem like men but with some sort of mental or hormonal illness.

>>11063

If you think of them as women born with a mental and hormonal illness, then you cannot think of them as men pretending to be women. They are women and they need medical treatment.

We treat the depressed and schizophrenic with medicine, so why shy away from the very real condition of body dysmorphic disorder?

>>11064

But hacking off their male bits will still not make them a woman just a really bad knock off. So anything that has to do with changing their body in such a way is definitely trying to mimic a woman.

>>11065

Are you also this against people getting pacemakers or prosthetic limbs? Or is it just "trannies" you want to be rid of?

>>11065

And on what authority do you say this? I assume Ayatollah Khameini knows more about Islam than you do.

>>11059

It doesn't matter how much mental gymnastics you do not to face truth, you're a degenerate trying to polute our community. Consider suicide.

>>11069

>it doesn't matter how reasonable and well-supported your arguments are, I hate you

Quit twisting God's word to rationalize your own prejudices. This is high hypocrisy.

>>11070

Funny how you don't want to face the truth.

>>11059

>Trans women are women though. Trans men are men. We aren't mimicking our gender, we are that gender. You can say that crossdressers are mimicking the other gender, but being trans isn't the same thing as being a crossdresser.

You have XY chromosome. You aren't a women, rather, you are trying to imitate them by artificial means.

>Sex reassignment is a medical procedure like any other. If you're against reassignment and think it's "changing Allah's creation", then for the sake of consistency I hope you're also against people who wear glasses, or have fillings in their teeth, or received vaccinations, or gotten a heart transplant, etc. etc.

What's the difference between cutting your dick and cutting cattle's ears ? None. Allah has made you a man, you changed it.

You're just a man with a hole full of bacterias between your legs.

>>11067

Except nobody cuts off a working limb for a prosthetic one.

>>11071

>muh chromosomes

Stupid because nobody in history has ever looked at a cute guy and thought, "damn, look at the Y chromosome on him!"

I don't think there's any evidence in scriptures that a Y chromosome is the fundamental essence of manhood. It seems to me like you've internalized western (read: Christian) attitudes about the trans.

>>11071

You sound like a kaffir to be honest. You use the same arguments a kaffir would use, based on an outdated understanding of western medicine. You claim to be citing the word of Allah, but your hatred is downright crass; no proper Muslim would tell another Muslim to consider suicide.

Like another anon said, you sound more like a western fundamentalist Christian (the anti-vaccers, etc.) than a devout Muslim. Replace "Allah" with "Jesus" and you could be mistaken for a Baptist.

>>11069

Don't tell people to commit suicide on my board. Attack the argument, not the user.

>>11074

Same goes for you. We don't throw around the word "kaffir" lightly.

I think this argument has reached critical mass. As was said in the beginning: "It depends on the nation". We can leave it at that.