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7569d7  No.19586

Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread:

Post all such questions here. I'll start with a few of my own.

As a non-Muslim (non-religious period) I wonder about the notion that God (Allah) "wants" things from us. "Wanting" to me feels like it implies a kind of inferior state, as though one was lacking something. Does Allah "want" things from mankind? To follow certain rules perhaps? Or is it not a matter of "wanting" but something else?

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cdac43  No.33557


The halal things which Allah ﷻ‬ has allowed are more numerous than the few haram filth He ﷻ‬ has forbidden. If you need to draw, you can draw many things, forests, mountains, rivers. Is that really a grievance that will stop you from accepting Islam?

3212b6  No.33558


The official Maliki position is that any types of drawings are halal.

cdac43  No.33572



3212b6  No.33663



The mainstream maliki opinion is that only figures, statues etc(one of the term they use is cast a shade), are forbidden. As for drawings then they wouldn't fall under the prohibition regardless whether or not what's depicted is a living creature.

But with that said, I personally find the case for that all statues are in essence permissible stronger, and that the prohibition can only be understood to be about idols. An interesting article making this case, relying greatly on the fact that the Sahaba(ra) left alone statues, is the following(translated into English):


(original) http://www.ibnamin.com/statue.htm

There are also the fatawaa of Rashid Ridha discussing the issue in detail.

ba4cc3  No.33664


hmmm my friend, answering your state is a hard one. I want to explain a couple concepts before talking to you.

- Islam isn't a religion that is blindly lived. You have a mind, Allah gave that to you. Allah also gave you oppertunities to think/act and reflect.

- Satan works by giving doubt. So if you keep doubting the past/future, know that its just Satan whispering to your heart.

Ok now to the real part. The human is on the world to be tested. Everyones test is unique, the game is played for X amount of time and untill that time is over youre still in the test. Just because you made a crash in a racing game doesnt mean the game is already over. You still have 40 years to live (If Allah wills it, for me its about the concept of life).

You say that you dont want to be what you are. That is a conflict between ego and heart. Your ego want to move in one way and your heart wants to move the other way. Most people solve this issue by becomming psychopaths and giving up on love and hopes. This way of living is ☻ty (ive lived it).

The other way is to accept the path and slowly walk it. The most important property in islam is not how much/hard you grind, but how consistent and easy you do your thing. Hence why you see many muslims relaxed and calm, thats something the religion brings you.

If youre arabic you will have gotten to learn the religion with pure hate. examples of this is: if your finger isnt in position x while praying your finger will be cut off in afterlife. and many more retarded stuff like this. If you really think that Allah will be busy with your finger and foot positioning (or anything simple/humane) like that, you might need to see a doctor. For Allah, the most important thing is: intention. What did you intend when doing x. The action might have been wrong, but the intention was pure. do you think Allah will reward you for your action or punish you for the action?

Islam is a very big topic, you gotta understand the way the prophet (sav) thinks. This way you will understand why we do what we do, you will love it. Islam is flawless, muslims are flawed. Dont look at muslims as if they are saints. You have prophets and saints as role models. You have many scholars explaining in a sweet tone how things work. Don't try to make this a science, learning love is harder than anything on this world. Training your ego is even harder than that.

You are what you are, you can become whatever you want. Choose and stick. Once you commit let no one take you down. (going down = depression = bad )

ba4cc3  No.33665


yessss the good questions. Ok man, there was this one guy aight? his name was Abu Sufyan. This guy lived in times of hz. Ebu Bekir and hz. Omer. The Khalifs have fought wars against that guy and his gang gang. Why would they fight? Because that dumass Abu Sufyan was claiming to be the next prophet and created his own version of Islam.

So this version of islam later became Wahhabism/Salafism. They hate everything, everything is bad, everything is gonna kill us, etc etc. They are people in that kind of mindset. Humans arent stupid right? What is the essence of a haram? Something that harms us, or is bad for us, its destructive. And a Halal is something that is accepted, its progressive. If a simple human like me can understand these concepts, why cant Wahhabis understand this? Because its a political movement, they dont want to understand, they just want to create problems. problems that we will keep on discussing without an end, without an answer, just wasting the time we have.

Its movement is mostly in arabic countrys. If youre arabic, you will need to think twice with a healthy mind about what is said to you.

Oh and their way of manipulation is saying that the Hadith we read are all fake hadith and the hadith they read are the best hadith. Its really childish to play around with the Prophet sav words. A muslim can feel what is halal and haram. If you dont believe me, go to a bar and see how you feel before you even enter.

And besides that, this life isnt about preventing 1 mistake, its about making many mistakes and surrendering to Allah, to understand that everything Allah has given us is for the good of our own. If you dont understand that, research, see, walk, jump, do something that will make you see the bigger picture. Why not make 1 mistake and grow from it instead of cry in a corner and never become anything.

Don't take people with 3 iq serious, rules never changed in the past 10.000 years, the religion never changed, the people and circumstances only changed (aka politics). Follow love, love will take you higher.

ba4cc3  No.33666


i dont know who the ☻ youre but you dont even sound muslim to me. if this triggers you, im gonna write you off as jidf

3212b6  No.33667


>Because its a political movement

as opposed to your rafidhi cult of the basement-dwelling imam and wilayatul faqih?

ba4cc3  No.33668


Interesting point of view my friend. a beautiful philosophical discussion can start with your question. But im a simple mind. So i will only be able to explain my view simply.

Allah isnt playing a sport with you. Allah isnt giving you 1 point for x and -1 point for y. And when youre dead we do x-y>0=heaven x-y<0=hell. It might seem like that, but that is not how life works. I assume that youre young and havent started life yet. Youre very strong and dont need to lean on Allahs help (you do, but young people get everything free from Allah). Once you get older, charity stops. This is when people become either lovefull or really sour.

Islam teaches you how to love and nothing more. Because the only thing you can experience, is your inner world. Your thoughts are only yours, not even your gf shares the same thoughts as you. Maybe in your eyes person x is wonderful. But person x's inner world is rotten and black. You dont see that, you only see your own inner world. You are alone on this world, youre getting tested alone, youre gonna die alone and youre gonna get rewarded/punished alone. Not even your mom will have a single word. The love you experience for someone or something is actually the love you receive from Allah, or what buddist call mother nature, the All in satanism, the One in arabic cultures.

So the goal in Islam isnt to stay away from bad and we will allow you to heaven. But the goal is to find love in the lines created by Allah.

ba4cc3  No.33669


>as opposed to your rafidhi cult of the basement-dwelling imam and wilayatul faqih?

I dont understand you my friend, im not arabic. please use english words to properly explain your butthurt

3212b6  No.33670


>ajmi goes on irrelevant rant about muh wahbi boogey man and evil "arabics"

>calls other people butthurt


ba4cc3  No.33672


youre going pretty off topic. ive looked up your arabic words, and its connected to shia. I have nothing to do with shia. Youre confirming what i have said about wahhabis. If you are a muslim, and you love people because of Allah, why are you picking a fight with me? If you want to fight the standpoint of "wahhabis arent bad", i will fight you, but dont do childish things. there are people that get lost because of dumb people like you, no wonder isis even finds soldiers

cdac43  No.33677


What makes you say I'm not muslim?

ff4de0  No.33678


I'd say that's pretty self explanatory. If you're going to make a thread, you have to have at least 50 characters in the OP.

cdac43  No.33679


>Rashid Ridha

The guy who believed in darwinism, and allegorical interpretation of the Qur'anic the story of Adam.

that usury (riba) is permitted in certain cases

that building statues is permissible in Islam

That supported the British against the Ottomans

And had a huge interest in Freemasonry,

And his patron was Abdulaziz Ibn Saud the murtadd

cdac43  No.33680


>Abu Sufyan was claiming to be the next prophet and created his own version of Islam.

>So this version of islam later became Wahhabism/Salafism

>And a Halal is something that is accepted, its progressive.

>Follow love, love will take you higher.

You don't know anything lol

cdac43  No.33681


>So the goal in Islam isnt to stay away from bad and we will allow you to heaven. But the goal is to find love in the lines created by Allah.

comedic gold

3212b6  No.33692


I see the kafir LARPer managed to find out about wikipedia, congratulations.


cdac43  No.33704


t.buttblasted saudi shill

6fac94  No.33726


This is a legit opinion to which everyone is entitled. Not everyone has to agree with every scholar. No ban.


This is an attack specifically against a poster for having a different opinion about a scholar. 24 hour ban.


This is an attack against a specific poster in response to an attack against him. While frowned upon, it is not a bannable offense as it is retaliation, not instigation.


I fail to see why this is such a difficult concept.

cdac43  No.33728


>While frowned upon, it is not a bannable offense as it is retaliation, not instigation.

Yeah sorry but I think it's the same saudi guy who always takfirs ppl who don't like saudi leaders sadly.

3212b6  No.33731


Your rules are arbitrary and retarded since his takfir was apparently a "legit opinion" but mine wasn't.

>Not everyone has to agree with every scholar.

If calling someone an apostate is "not agreeing" then likewise I just disagreed with that poster.

>This is an attack specifically against a poster for having a different opinion about a scholar.

Nope it wasn't as I've already explained twice to you. You're just lying now.

>it is not a bannable offense as it is retaliation

my post you banned before was also a retaliation to his takfir and attacks. So this is the second time you went against your own rules.

The third of your own rules you contradict is:

>[3] Bans will not be handed out over political or personal differences.

So I really don't see why you even bothered "reminding" people of rules that don't even apply in the first place.

37fca4  No.33732


First of all, I'm not the one who banned you, but I am the one who lifted the ban. Rule 3 doesn't apply unless you can prove you were banned for arguing with a member of the staff.

Second, you weren't defending yourself. You were defending Rashid Ridha. Unless you are Ridha …

I really don't care if people here call celebrities or politicians or scholars or kings apostates. The rules apply solely to the users of this board. Making takfir against Ridha is not a violation of the rules of this board, but making takfir against a user of this board is. You're obviously butthurt, but I'm not changing the rules and I'm not firing my Vol.

3212b6  No.33733


>Rule 3 doesn't apply

Clearly I was banned for personal opinions.

>you weren't defending yourself.

I was since I'm the one who referred to his fatwa in the first place, whereupon he attacked me by claiming I was citing as an authority on Islam an apostate, after he had looked something up on wikipedia.

>The rules apply solely to the users of this board.

The rule doesn't specify that. It just says declaring takfir on anyone. A sane person would assume that declaring takfir on Muslim scholars would be worse than some anonymous person.

>I'm not changing the rules

uh ok, I never told you to but whatever.

f660ca  No.33736


>I was banned for personal opinions

You were banned for declaring another user apostate. That goes beyond personal opinion.

>The rule doesn't specify …

I'm not playing that game. I am not creating 100,000 different rules to satisfy every minutia of every permutation. If the rules applied to the whole world, then I'd have to ban people for declaring Trump a kafr or whatever. I expect people here to be adults and act like adults, not imageboard autists. I hold this board to a higher standard than /b/.

cdac43  No.33742


Also, I didnt takfir ridha, simply think he is deviant and his opinion holds no weight. Unless you can refute the claims on wikipedia about ridha? Also, why takfir me without evidence? Is it because I did takfir of ibn saud?

ba4cc3  No.33746


im not saying youre not muslim, the saudi family is muslim. im saying youre shilling for the jidf and using disinformation and hate to subvert people

ba4cc3  No.33747



tell me what you think is flawed about my philosophy, im honestly curious

3212b6  No.33749


It's enough as evidence that someone has made up their own innovated version of Islam. Due to your immense ignorance your fiqh and aqida are full of contradictions. Don't you feel any shame in making takfir of people who spent their lives serving Islam, while you're ignorant and probably a recent convert, that you ask questions like is this song haram, as you did earlier in the thread?

Anyway, you and your HT ilk say things like

>That supported the British against the Ottomans

But how do you prove that the ottomans were Muslims? They had replaced sharia with man made laws centuries earlier. They're more kuffar by your standards than Saudi Arabia has ever been.

And in classical fiqh it's permissible for Muslims to seek military aid from kuffar against bughaat, eg khawarij factions. So where did Saudi Arabia ally with kuffar against Muslims? Against Saddam's military campaigns to spread ba'athism in Mekkah? Or the khawarij that have declared war on Saudi Arabia? Or the ottomans who we've already concluded were apostates? You can't present a single example of Saudi Arabia allying with kuffar to get rid of Islamic rule, since it has never happened outside of your roleplaying fiction.

cdac43  No.33759

File: a96b44b354ebd20⋯.jpg (1.29 MB, 1538x1148, 769:574, ibn saud.jpg)

File: 63f17dc4c2175d6⋯.jpg (1 MB, 3369x2292, 1123:764, abdullah bush.jpg)

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>im saying youre shilling for the jidf and using disinformation and hate to subvert people

I posted:

>The halal things which Allah ﷻ‬ has allowed are more numerous than the few haram filth He ﷻ‬ has forbidden. If you need to draw, you can draw many things, forests, mountains, rivers. Is that really a grievance that will stop you from accepting Islam?

What's hateful or jewish about that?


Because you are making stuff up, at least quote the quran and sunnah to prove your claims kid.


>while you're ignorant and probably a recent convert, that you ask questions like is this song haram, as you did earlier in the thread?

When??? Not even kidding what are you on about.

>you and your HT ilk say things like

im not HT lol

>That supported the British against the Ottomans

When did I say that? Stop with the assumptions dude.

>But how do you prove that the ottomans were Muslims? They had replaced sharia with man made laws centuries earlier. They're more kuffar by your standards than Saudi Arabia has ever been.

Funny how you make up my argument in your head as if I actually said it then try to debate yourself by refuting your own argument lmao. Seriously do you have mental issues? Calm down, stop seething and worshiping ale saud. I never said those things faisal.

>You can't present a single example of Saudi Arabia allying with kuffar to get rid of Islamic rule, since it has never happened outside of your roleplaying fiction.


722cde  No.33860

I'm doing some research on Islam and I was wondering whether the claim that drawing animate creatures is haram. The claim is that there are many lines in the hadith and qu'ran that support this but I haven't seen any. Could one of you tell me whether it's true or not and provide a source?

ff4de0  No.33861


I would think someone genuinely doing research would at the very least know how to use a catalog. Even worse, there's discussion of this exact topic right here in this thread!

If you don't know how to ctrl-F, then how can you ever do any research?

b19198  No.33866

File: 38626a9265e6cbd⋯.jpg (41.6 KB, 505x427, 505:427, contemplative_jojo.jpg)

Not a Muslim, while I understand the uproars over usage of religious chants (like with the Fire Temple theme in TLoZ: OoT) or even the depiction of the Muhammad (too many examples to name), why is it not okay to depict the Quran? Exempli gratia:


>In May 2008, both studio A.P.P.P. and Shueisha halted OVA/manga shipments of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure after a complaint had been launched against them from Egyptian Islamic fundamentalists, after noticing a scene in the OVAs that has the villain, Dio Brando, reading a book depicting pages from the Qur'an.

cdac43  No.33867


Because they insulted Islam.

JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure, a popular anime published by Shueisha Inc, features a baddie called Dio Brando who picks a Quran from a bookshelf and examines it before ordering the deaths of the hero and his chums.

This scene depicts Muslims as terrorists, which is not true at all. This is an insult to the religion and the producers would be considered to be enemies of Islam.

d1cbce  No.33906


Well, to be fair, the scene involved in the manga was supposed to be Dio just reading a book (with just scrawls shown, you know, typical stuff you see in mangas). The animators however wanted to be authentic and added some Arabic text. Unfortunately, they're not literate in Arabic and just grabbed the first thing they could think off. It's an honest mistake to be fair. Remember, this is made in like the late 80's and early 90's so they can't just look it up online

d1cbce  No.33907


In other words, they did it out of blindness and ignorance rather than malice.

b19198  No.33913

File: c28374c9b213974⋯.gif (426.7 KB, 200x198, 100:99, wait_what.gif)


>This scene depicts Muslims as terrorists

No, what? Dio Brando is an inhuman vampire who hides out in Egypt during the 1980s. It makes sense that he'd read the Quran, because he's in Egypt, and he's highly intelligent/has a bit of a scholarly streak, left over from before he became a vampire. He murders because he's an evil vampire and needs to heal, not because he's Muslim, which he is not, and surely an arrogant, self-worshiping demon like Dio would be an enemy of Islam? In Part 2 of the series, the protagonists team up with Nazis to defeat a threat of all humanity, and the Nazis are clearly shown as bad in the series, even if they're helping the good guys, and this is because JoJo's consistent theme (up until Part 4, and then it becomes more subtle) is "humanity vs. inhumanity"—first a vampire and zombies, then Aztec super-human vampires, then the same vampire from before and his army of cult-followers. If there were ever Muslims (there is a certain Muhammad Avdol/Abdul who fights with the Stardust Crusaders against Dio Brando, though he is a fortune-teller and is never shown praying or to be Muslim), even if the creator did not like Muslims at all, they'd be fighting against whatever evil threatens humanity regardless.

b19198  No.33914


*Also, Dio is extremely weak and spends the whole of Part 3 healing, so he's cooped up in a dark room all day for weeks, so of course he'd read.

f14451  No.33923


And again..that scene was anime only. The manga version just have him read a generic book.

cdac43  No.33924

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


You can't know that, many video games have put islamic heritage in an evil way. See vid, this is nothing new in the industry where there is many islamophobes.


He is a villain using the quran to justify killing, even if he isn't a muslim. This is insulting to us even if you disagree. Since you are not a muslim I don't see why you are forcing us to accept using Islamic scripture in entertainment, this alone is not respectful to the islamic community.


Yes and that's why they asked to modify the manga not the anime.

ff4de0  No.33926


>why is this not ok?


>because it insults Islam


>lol hahaha (smug) no it doesn't lolol

F*ck you.

cbdc59  No.33927


And you can't know that they put it in there because of malice. Were you there when they add it in? And no..the manga came first, chief and yes, it's just a generic book in the manga. And you're jumping to conclusions here belies what's wrong with the world today, this tendency to jump into negative thoughts about others. Let me remind you of Al-Hujurat, verse 12, :"O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin"

If they are doing it out of malice, that's up to them and Allah SWT and if it's out of ignorance, well, ignorance can be fixed.

cdac43  No.33930


Their intention is IRRELEVANT in this case, using islamic material or heritage for entertainment is not allowed especially not for kaffirs.

4a5afa  No.33933

Can I do Wudu while naked? Like, I just stepped out of the showers and I want to do wudu before I put on clothes.

ff4de0  No.33934


Yes, although you could have just made wudu in the shower.

37cb0a  No.33940

I have sinned so much and I fear my past. I have been broken so many times like a twig when I should have been like steel. But I can't let this vanity keep me from being myself (a Muslim). Because that would be worse than disbelief, it would be disbelief plus disbelief.

When I started learning about Islam my view of the world was totally changed but I did not like being wrong so I insulted Islam. I just found so many of the old essays in my google drive that I wrote for english and philosophy class where I would slander Islam but the more I read for the sake of citing sources in these papers the more I realized I was wrong but I kept ignoring it.

Eventually I knew Islam was right but I still kept this to myself and kept insulting it because its so much easier to fit in. But there is no reason to revel in waste like an animal. Nobody likes feeling this way.

Its atrocious. This way of thinking.

fools like Majid Nawaz who hate Muslims but pretend to be Muslims. I would much rather live where Muslims dont have to hate themselves because of the puppet stewardship of fake imams and professional crusaders.

Disbelief is a mental illness. I was wrong thinking that you can tolerate these people because if you try to invite them to Islam on their own terms they will spit on you and pull you into disbelief. I wonder if they weren't getting paid for this and getting social media attention like prostitutes if they would still insult the religion? Probably not because they would be left with nothing, not even their vanity.

37cb0a  No.33941

Allah is merciful and a lot of the time I fantasized about proving myself through means and standards of the disbelievers like self-mutilation like in game of thrones when the unsullied cut off their own nipple. I'm not kidding, I was being absurd. I wanted an easy repentence. But the only way to make up lost prayers is to just prayer. Allah is merciful, preventing me from the danger of vain acts.

b19198  No.33942

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You people are worse than nu/pol/, and that is saying something. See ya around I guess.

ff4de0  No.33954


If you don't want the answer, don't ask the question.

cdac43  No.33957


>fools like Majid Nawaz who hate Muslims but pretend to be Muslims. I would much rather live where Muslims dont have to hate themselves because of the puppet stewardship of fake imams and professional crusaders.

And from the worst munafiqeen are the 'ulama-I-soo (evil scholars).

The Prophet (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam) reminded us in the hadith of musnad ahmed that:

Abu Dhar said, "I was with the Prophet (SAW) one day and I heard him saying: "There is something I fear for my Ummah than the Dajjal." It was then that I became afraid, so I said: "Oh Rasool Allah! Which thing is that?" He (SAW) said; "Misguided and astray scholars."

[Musnad Ahmad (5/145) No. 21334 and 21335]

Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “There will appear in the end times, people who seek the Dunya with religion. In front of the people they wear clothes made of wool to give the impression of their humility, their speeches are sweeter than sugar, but their hearts are the hearts of wolves (very fond of wealth and position). Allah says, ‘Are you fooled by Me (the mercy and opportunities I give) or that you dare towards Me? By My Self, I swear. I will send down disasters from among their own on those who turn decent people into confusion so they are not able to get away from it.’” [Tirmidhi]

"And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the imams of kufr, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease." 9:12

cdac43  No.33958


>kafir asks why he cant insult islam

>is explained why

>still insists

75b5a3  No.33963

Is Canadian society more accepting of Muslim converts than American society?

cdac43  No.34024


Depends on the province/state.

000000  No.34070

Hi, if you own a fast food restaurant and every Monday, every customer customer can win a free meal with a 1 in 10 chance would this be considered betting? Is this haram?

I don't do this, I just want to be sure it's halal before doing anything like that.

a86a47  No.34071


This is not a very black and white situation. Some brothers/sisters will say that it is not, and some will say it is haram since it can be considered betting because there's a "fee" for participating. My solution to you, is that, just give those free meal away as sadaqah, never mention anything, not a word. Just from the bottom of your heart, you just want to be nice to someone one day, and give them a free meal. People will always remember your good deeds, and would also recommend your restaurant to other people. As long as your keep you foods delicious and warm and fresh, your restaurant clean. Insha allah, your restaurant will be successful, brother/sister.

000000  No.34076


Thanks for the answer, I don't personally own a restaurant (maybe one day), sorry if it seemed that way. It was more about knowing if that practice was allowed.

8829c4  No.34116

Not to be a wignat, but what's Islam's view on race? I know Muhammad said that tribes are valid. But how has Islam historically perceived Zanj (blacks) in the past, and how do they view blacks now? What about whites or Asians?

ff4de0  No.34117


Islam is indifferent to race. All Muslims are equal, regardless of ethnicity or nationality.

cdac43  No.34119


Islamic tradition known as Hadith states that in his final sermon the Prophet Muhammad, Allah's Blessings and Peace be upon him, said:

"There is no superiority for an Arab over a non-Arab, nor for a non-Arab over an Arab. Neither is the white superior over the black, nor is the black superior over the white – except by piety."

cdac43  No.34120


O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted. - (49:13)

The quran says value in the Lord's eyes is piety (not race, lineage, wealth or beauty, ect.. )

000000  No.34123

Hello, what are the 5 necessities of the sharia (according the maliki school if there is a difference among schools) please? I saw a video where the person said that the 5 necessities are religion, life, lineage, honor, wealth but read somewhere that the 5 necessities are religion, life, mind, lineage, wealth.

ff4de0  No.34124


It's pretty much the same across the board. Islamic Law was made to protect five things (religion, self, mind, offspring, and property), which are the main rights of human in this life.

Excellent blog on the matter:


5dff9e  No.34125

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Is it better to be a Muslim sinners than an atheist? Islam resonates with me deeply, but I have to masturbate every few days and have sex with older women/hookers very now and then to have basic intimacy needs met, I'm also not ready to pray 5 times a day, but I enjoy studying Islam and want to convert.

I want to marry ASAP, but doubt it's gonna happen anytime soon. Is it permissible to delay public conversion until you've found a right girl to marry? All sins are erased after conversion, but it feels like cheating and I already said shahada privately.

ff4de0  No.34126


>Is it better to be a Muslim sinners than an atheist?


>Islam resonates with me deeply


>not ready to pray 5 times a day

But you claim you "have to" masturbate and commit zina?

b19198  No.34127

Not sure if you're aware, but I thought this mod for Warband was interesting. It's not finished yet though; Feb 28.


dfc1a1  No.34128


What do you mean by basic intimacy needs? What condition is so important that you have to hire prostitutes?

If you've said your shahadah privately and you believe in Islam, you're already a Muslim. Public conversion just helps you introduce yourself to the community.

cedde2  No.34129

i have a fiqh question i swear so badly to a person i look it up its taazir crime one hodja said it needs 39 clubs another one said it needs 80 clubs or should i turn myself in to regular law guy threatened me to broke my arm and legs i was going to try knife him if he were broke in my home but he just throw a stone i ring and call me a few time should i ask him to club me where should he hit me

cdac43  No.34130


Better to be a muslim because at least that will save you from hell. You are obliged to pray, there's no excuse for not praying, unlike fasting, hajj and zakat, the only condition to pray is to be muslim. No circumstance allows a slave of Allah to abandon salat, not even the sick since they can pray even with their fingers, eyes or just minds. But you HAVE to pray; "Your Lord has said, "Pray to Me for I shall answer you prayers. Those who are too proud to worship Me will soon go to hell in disgrace". (40:60)

but even when you convert you cannot marry a virgin if you remain a fornicator.

"The fornicator does not marry except a [female] fornicator or polytheist, and none marries her except a fornicator or a polytheist, and that has been made unlawful to the believers."(24:3)

Know that so Allah may have mercy on you, after the shahada all previous sins are erased, but next ones are recorded, so if you have the evil intention to keep fornicating I suggest reading up on the wrath of Allah and His torments in hell for fornicators as well as those who take it lightly to sin. If you have a true intention and fear for Allah you would give that up, and at least only stick to masturbation if you can't help yourself.

You cannot delay conversion, you did it privately now go say it in a congregation of muslim witnesses.

708581  No.34131

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Hello friends. I saw this chart floating around and decided to go through it. Do any of you have suggestions on the order I should go through these, additional books I should read, or advice for learning about Islam as a Catholic? Thank you!

ff4de0  No.34132

File: c4d593df950635f⋯.jpg (3.41 MB, 2392x3045, 2392:3045, In Order.jpg)

File: 75ffcefe84841ac⋯.jpg (47.09 KB, 355x499, 355:499, 1.jpg)


I edited to give you the order I believe you should read these texts in. All of the other texts are either not important or you can read at your leisure. I'm also adding another book that should be on the list.

204e07  No.34133

File: 12e5ed3963d58e6⋯.jpg (2.73 MB, 2392x3968, 299:496, muh boooks.jpg)


You should start with a translation of the Quran. Avoid reading a translation of the Quran that comes with commentary, because all the commentaries that I have seen are blatant misrepresentations and distortions of the text.


The book not on the list that you added is good, I would recommend reading that after the Quran.

204e07  No.34134

File: 5876831d70278fa⋯.pdf (2.02 MB, The Concept Of God In Isla….pdf)

File: 688f0b01e4be657⋯.pdf (7.3 MB, The Fundamentals Of Tawhee….pdf)

File: 128d77b3b0d9c95⋯.pdf (1.51 MB, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) - ….pdf)


Here is a book not on the list and 2 pamphlets.

cdac43  No.34137


This is heavily influence by western modernist garbage with a touch of orientalism. Read a regular free quran translation, ideally all of them at the same time for extra understanding. Read the sealed nectar by Safiur Rahman Mubarakpuri which is sira (biography) and read (exegesis) tafsir ibn kathir and tafsir ibn abbas if you have time. Then as extra you can read kitab al tawheed by Muhammad Ibn Abd Al-Wahhab.

free sites:

>quran, on settings you can choose multiple translators


>most comprehensive translation list I know


>legacy quran.com for old school feel & lighter weight




>exegesis (tafsir), bulky & old but usable


>ibn kathir


>free online tafsir, some incomplete I recommend ibn abbas and ibn kathir but fill in the gaps


As for the books Sealed Nectar and Kitab al-tawheed you can find an english PDF verson online easily by googling. Good reading and may Allah (swt) guide you.

cdac43  No.34138


This, plus most of the authors don't even claim to be muslims. You don't learn Islamic knowledge from non muslims duh!!

204e07  No.34178

File: b318cf4182c703f⋯.pdf (2.82 MB, The Qur'an - English Meani….pdf)

File: 2f64f36568c1a38⋯.pdf (1.03 MB, An Explanation Of Muhammad….pdf)

File: c88357a6a9505b8⋯.pdf (3.37 MB, Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum - The….pdf)

Trying to learn about Islam through the books written by non-Muslims is like trying to learn astronomy from the flat-earth society. Sure, they will tell you about the stars and things that they see in the sky, but to them space is just an illusion. You could never learn about planets, stars, or galaxies from them, because the flat-earth people will not accept their existence. Every time they talk about such topics, they will always shape the story to their own subconscious belief that what they are talking about isn’t really real. Even if they try to be objective in what they are saying, you will never get a real presentation of the subject, and if you believe the things that they say, you will undoubtedly be misinformed.

ce7a79  No.34191

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What’s Islam’s stance on the environment & animals? Does the Quran and Hadith of such a things?

t. Agnostic

Pic unrelated, pretty comfy though.

ff4de0  No.34192


We are stewards of the Earth and have a responsibility to protect the environment.

And it is He who has made you successors upon the earth and has raised some of you above others in degrees [of rank] that He may try you through what He has given you. Indeed, your Lord is swift in penalty; but indeed, He is Forgiving and Merciful. [6:165]

O children of Adam, take your adornment at every masjid, and eat and drink, but be not excessive. Indeed, He likes not those who commit excess. [7:31]

46ae55  No.34194


Thank you for answering my question. Btw this is a pretty comfy board you got here, lots of interesting discussion.

cdac43  No.34198



I will also add this verse, is very relevant in our days due to pollution.

"Corruption has appeared throughout the land and sea by [reason of] what the hands of people have earned so He may let them taste part of [the consequence of] what they have done that perhaps they will return [to righteousness]."-Qu'ran (30:41)

000000  No.34291


what is the Islamic opinion on people who say things like "white people are more intelligent than black people, but black people are more athletic than white people" ? I would personally say that is racist, are there any articles/videos on this topic by Muslim scholars?

ff4de0  No.34292


Always consider the source. You'll find that pretty much everyone who says "white people are more intelligent" are dumb as f*ck white people, thus disproving their own statement. Are there differences between ethnicities? Of course! Some are darker in skin than others and there's a variety of languages; but in Islam, all are equal.

And among His wonders is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the diversity of your tongues and colors. For in this, behold, there are messages indeed for all who are possessed of innate knowledge! [30:22]

Oh men! Behold, We have created you all out of a male and a female, and have made you into nations and tribes, so that you might come to know one another. Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of Allah is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him. Behold, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Aware [49:13]

Racism has no place in Islam.

000000  No.34479

Hi, if you lose wudu during prayer should you finish it, leave immediately to redo it, say salam then leave? What's the proper way to leave the prayer when losing wudu?


cdac43  No.34483


Depends on their intentions, if they are talking about genetic differences there's nothing racist about it. If they are trying to justify a "master-race" then it is racist.

cdac43  No.34484


Say A’udhu billahi min ash Shaytanir Rajim

أعوذ بالله من الشيطان الرجيم

I seek Allah’s protection/refuge/shelter from Shaitaan, the Accursed one.

Then salam both sides, then go redo the wuduu, then come back and start over.

cdac43  No.34485


You don't.

``Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner." (46:9)``

``"And who accept as true the [coming of the] Day of Judgment;" (70:26)``

``"And who stand in dread of their Sustainer's chastisement;" (70:27)``

``"Surely the chastisement of their Lord is a thing none can feel secure from." (70:28)``

5d98a6  No.34513


My personal view, which may or may not be backed by the Quran, is that you can't know you've submitted enough, or abstained from sin enough, or done good enough, because this isn't something you have business looking to count. I don't think doing good things most of the time warrants you to commit a sin some of the time just because you've done more good. The deterrence effect just wouldn't be there.

cdac43  No.34520


Also man is forgetful, and is biased, so you might think you are muslim while actually being a mushrik, like in the case of nationalists or democrats. That's why we ask Allah (SWT) to guide us to the straight path in every rakat.

02f528  No.34522

What are some interesting gnostic, occult or esoteric muslim sects I can look into?

a4530e  No.34523


There aren’t any. The idea that there is some kind of “secret religious knowledge” that is only for a certain special few is foreign to Islam. All Islamic knowledge is open to everyone and is not to be hidden or deluded by secret rituals or other occult like practices.

cdac43  No.34524


There are none, those are not Islam by definition, since islam is a clear message

>4.52. This is a clear message for humankind, that they may be warned by it, and that they should know that He is One God, and that people of discernment may reflect and be mindful.

هَـذَا بَلاَغٌ لِّلنَّاسِ وَلِيُنذَرُواْ بِهِ وَلِيَعْلَمُواْ أَنَّمَا هُوَ إِلَـهٌ وَاحِدٌ وَلِيَذَّكَّرَ أُوْلُواْ الأَلْبَابِ

Like those who claim to know the secret the prophet (صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم) told Abu Bakr (ra) in the cave, when it's written clearly what He (صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم) told Abu Bakr in Verse (9:40), that's one example of the fools who claim exclusive knowledge.

cdac43  No.34525



5d98a6  No.34531


>All Islamic knowledge is open to everyone and is not to be hidden or deluded by secret rituals or other occult like practices.

It shouldn't be, but I can unfortunately think of one way it is.

Especially in the west, there's this insistence that everything be done in Arabic. When I was a kid, most of the molvis I met only taught the Arabic alphabet, and after that, they'd just make people sound things out, without them understanding anything. There's the hiding element.

And I think that that's a contributing factor to extremism. If people don't understand, they can be told anything by anyone, and we see that all of the time in the news. And here's the delusion element.

cdac43  No.34533


That's not secretive, you're just too lazy to learn arabic and google search translations/tafsir.

f317b8  No.34548


What comfort does your missionary work provide when Jesus will disavow many of his followers who preach in his name?

>"On judgement day many will tell me, Lord, Lord, we prophesized in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name. But I will reply, I never knew you. Go away; the things you did were unauthorized." (Matthew 7:22-23)

And if you say something along the lines of

>o-oh but you see my denomination and version of the bible is the true one and every other church will go to hell!

Then what's your argument? A Muslim will feel comfort in knowing that he's the one following the true religion and has been promised by Allah protection from hell.

>our definition of Hell

Well Jesus in the bible describes hell as physical torture and burning.

cdac43  No.34549


Are you catholic or prot?

f317b8  No.34551


I think our thoughtful christian neighbour who's preaching in the name of Jesus dogma authorized first by people who never even met him, and who is always an un-amputated limb away from eternal torment in the hellfire, is misunderstanding you. The "uncertainty" is in the future whether or not you remain a Muslim, since that depends not on a claim you make but rather how you live your life. But otherwise, obviously, Allah has informed us what the way to Paradise is, and what the way to Hell is. If you're a Muslim then you can be certain that Allah will reward you, because Allah does not ever stop becoming Allah by "veiling" His divine, eternal attributes, so Allah can not stop being Just, or stop being Knowledgeable about when the final hour will come, for example. It would be impossible to achieve certainty if God was that arbitrary.

But if you want to know that that specific person X is going to live a good life then that's known to Allah and those He choose to inform, like the ten Companions promised Paradise to them in their life time. But beyond that, it's not befitting for me to try to make claims about the future that I haven't been taught, just like how, for example, Jesus wouldn't falsely make claims about the judgement day that God did not teach him.

a4530e  No.34552


Nowadays there is a ton of Islamic literature that is translated into English and other languages. If you meet some Muslims that insist that everything has to be learned in Arabic before you even have basic fundamental Islamic knowledge, just ignore them. It is better to actually have Islamic knowledge and not know any Arabic than to not know anything, but be able to recite some Arabic and not have a clue what you are saying. There are always going to be people who will give you bad advice, even if they have good intentions.

Esoteric and occult practices usually have secrecy at their foundation. Like in freemasonry, where you have to go up many different ranks over time, and at each rank you learn some new secret religious knowledge. That is not how Islam works. All Islamic knowledge is open to everyone. The Prophet PBUH never kept any religious knowledge a secret.

f317b8  No.34555


>Is the promise similar to Deuteronomy 28?

Let's see, the summary is that if you follow the Lord's commandments you'll be blessed, if not, cursed and punished, so yes it would be similar.

As for the new testament verses you're quoting then they didn't address any point of mine.

f317b8  No.34556


>Would you cite for me those verses?

>"God has promised the believers, men and women, gardens underneath which rivers flow, forever therein to dwell, and goodly dwelling-places in the Gardens of Eden; and greater, God's good pleasure; that is the mighty triumph". 9:72

>I’m not missionizing, I’m learning

Go learn some shame.

cdac43  No.34558


That's true. We never know the future, may Allah the turner of hearts keep our hearts firm on his deen amin and make us form among the siddiqin and the shuhada Allahuma Ameen


He's actually AGAINST learning arabic without understanding it. imo its very easy to memorize al fatiha then look up a translation to get a pretty accurate idea, he compares esoteric deviants, with ppl teaching him the quran in arabic and him not understanding because of his lack of effort, its like saying I cant open a safe because im too lazy to memorize the code, but the code is open to everyone for example, esoteric would be an exclusive access to the code for example, hes mixing both, probably an insecure westernized paki tbh, there will always be a liturgical language and its the responsibility of all to learn it, I mean my ancestors probably arent arabic, but I come from a so called arabic country not in the peninsula of Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم‎) yet they still learned arabic and im teaching myself and trying with the help of Allah (سُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى) , this effort will be rewarded to I dont see this challenge as a negative thing. Only ppl with a western complex would complain.

tl;dr learn arabic :^)


Basically you might think you're saved, but by virtue of being a human you make mistakes, so you can never actually be 100% certain you won't go to hell. Humans are biased so it's very hard to self analyse, I got woken up by a brother who takfiried me, I research to prove him wrong and it turned out I was in the wrong so I accepted his advice. That's my example (praise Allah) but in your case you are quite confident and arrogant, as if God owes you anything, as if you can never be wrong, but I know you are an idolater and things arent good for you if you die upon this. I don't worry because those who have a good intention and trust Allah to guide them will be guided. I love Allah as much as I fear him. And so I try my best because we are all in the best of hands. The difference between us is I know my limits, yet you cross them coming at us on a high horse of righteousness. May Allah guide you destitute soul, only a few moments are between us and the final hour my Adamite relative.

f317b8  No.34560


>Therefore you don’t worry that Jesus will rebuke you and say he never knew you because you have faith in him.

So what reason do you have to not worry day in and day out about Jesus' rebuke, other than faith in Jesus?

f317b8  No.34561


>your own capacity for proper worship?

This capacity comes from Allah.

>The faith of the Christian is not faith in himself but faith in God

As opposed to who? Which strawman are you arguing against now?

f317b8  No.34562

Atheists live their entire lives not worrying about God's rebuke, or Jesus'.

ff4de0  No.34566

Shouldn't this conversation be moved over to >>20806 ?

cdac43  No.34567


>Unless this verse is teaching Protestant justification by faith, I can’t make any sense of it.

Indeed, those who believe and do righteous deeds - for them are the Gardens of Pleasure. (31:8)

7:43 And We will have removed whatever is within their breasts of resentment, [while] flowing beneath them are rivers. And they will say, "Praise to Allah, who has guided us to this; and we would never have been guided if Allah had not guided us. Certainly the messengers of our Lord had come with the truth." And they will be called, "This is Paradise, which you have been made to inherit for what you used to do."

Hope this clears things up. That is if you aren't arguing simply for the sake of argumentation.

cdac43  No.34568


Yes I think so too, these same ppl always come to evangelize and when they fail they raid us. To the containment thread pls.

f317b8  No.34569


>It’s not a licence to have faith in created things

You mean like the created human nature of Jesus? Hmm….well I don't know any Muslim that puts his faith in created human bodies, all I know are Muslims that say…

>Have faith in God.

…'ala Allahi tawakkaltu wa kafaa billahi wakeela

>all this is that the only reason you believe Allah will save you is by faith in his mercy, which is mercy granted solely on the basis of a sincere desire to love God

Every Muslim loves Allah and puts their faith in Him and His mercy, which is the meaning of the tawakkul above.

>then the differences in our religion may be superficial.

You mean our religion isn't the strawmen you just argued against? Wow how generous of you to grant us that, just what we were missing.


They're shameless liars for employing trickery to give their rehearsed sales pitch, instead of actually just going to the dedicated debate thread and making their argument.

f317b8  No.34571


>I believe in yada yada and also I'm a victim

yeah I don't care.

13458d  No.34572

File: 56bf8311d654f5a⋯.gif (1.8 MB, 490x477, 490:477, DSol.gif)

Does anyone here know that mega.nz library of Islamic history, philosophy, and theology and also other non-islamic works of literature? I had this link before, but I lost it a while back. I should really appreciate if anyone here still has it.


-I got it from Twitter from a username that I completely lost. One thing for sure, his name was around the likes of "damashq" etc.

-It's a mega.nz hosted encyclopedia of about everything. Books ranging from science to philosophy.

[Pic unrelated]

cdac43  No.34574


>Is it possible to not fall short of the glory of God?

I would say it isn't since Allah is the one who will purify us and enter us in paradise through his mercy. The intention of the slave is what matters, the obedience of the slave can never attain what Allah deserves, yet Allah won't ask of us perfection and knows what each soul can bear.

>Allah does not charge a soul except [with that within] its capacity. It will have [the consequence of] what [good] it has gained, and it will bear [the consequence of] what [evil] it has earned. "Our Lord, do not impose blame upon us if we have forgotten or erred. Our Lord, and lay not upon us a burden like that which You laid upon those before us. Our Lord, and burden us not with that which we have no ability to bear. And pardon us; and forgive us; and have mercy upon us. You are our protector, so give us victory over the disbelieving people."2:286

cdac43  No.34575


I know it, his name was @dimashqee on twitter and he had a mega.nz library of islamic books but he got banned from twitter and the link is expired. Good news is I found another library from a kurd on twitter.


The (non islamic) politics section is pretty trash, the rest is ok.

35ad20  No.34576


Holy ☻ you are a legend. Why'd he get banned?? I loved that guy!

cdac43  No.34577


idk why I think he burned out

cdac43  No.34586

Why were you guys so rude and insensitive with the short muslim?

ff4de0  No.34587


I don't think it's necessarily insensitive to tell someone that they're worried about trite and meaningless things.

a4530e  No.34588


If people’s general attitude to a short person affects their mental well being, that isn’t exactly trite and meaningless. If a Muslim suggests that they were considering suicide, it isn’t proper Islamic behavior to be rude and dismissive to them, or to suggest they go to a cesspool like /r9k/ to discuss their problems. If a Muslim is having a problem they should be able to talk to their fellow Muslims about it.

The Prophet PBUH used to say, “The best amongst you are those who have the best manners and character.” He also said, “anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day should talk what is good or keep quiet.”

cdac43  No.34589


I think we should at least consider his feelings into account maybe he's going through a rough time and has confidence issues, blasting him like that was uncalled for.


Couldn't have said it better akh

ff4de0  No.34590



Point taken, but you know allowing such things will end with this board being nothing but ">tfw no qt3.14 muslima" threads within 3 months.

6ed2df  No.34591


This is true. /r9k/ can take over a board faster than /pol/ can only dream of doing; but that's not an excuse to be flat out rude.

a4530e  No.34592


I don’t think that a “>tfw no qt3.14 muslima” thread is comparable to the thread that the brother posted about having problems with his height. He should have posted it in the QTDDTOT, but he had a legitimate concern. There is a difference from making a garbage thread saying something like “>tfw no qt3.14 muslima” and someone making a legitimate post in the QTDDTOT talking about their problems finding a wife. In that case it would be better to offer polite advice or remain silent, instead of being rude to them.

dc533b  No.34594

I have a question. Should a mother apologize to her kid first? See, a pal of mine got into an argument with his mom. In his word, his mom was nagging (more insulting really, calling him names, even asking Allah SWT to blind and deafen him) and he blew up at her after losing his patience with her (I knew the guy personally. Nice guy..has his faults, usually kept to himself whenever things go wrong so folks don't worry about him while he tries to fix his problems himself) and he said that he nearly wanted to beat his mother with a chair out of anger

So harsh words are exchanged and even after his younger brother tried to calm things down, the mother kept on egging him on with insults and naggings. So, he told me he's not going to forgive his mother. So I'm asking for him…should the mother apologize? Or should he apologize to his mother first? I mean, he's a bit hardheaded to apologize first so I need something to convince him.

cdac43  No.34595


He should apologize since if she is in the wrong Allah will punish her but if he is in the wrong then Allah will punish him double because it's against his mother. But remember parents and especially a mother is not like a regular person. Parents can do anything to their children and they should not complain except to Allah, unless they try to make you a kaffir or mutilate you. For example, his mom can insult him and curse him and pray against him, sure it's haram on her but as she is not doing any kufr he cannot react against that, except advising his mother. I know this is hard and I would probably be angry as well in his situation, but this is a fitna for him. He should take a few days, cool off, then apologize to his mother even if she refuses it. Then it is in the hands of Allah ta'ala. He should remember at all times that she sacrificed her body for him and carried him as he feed off her blood and bones. Then she suffered a great deal to birth and raise him. So whatever she does now is nothing compared to what she endured.

f317b8  No.34598


>punish him double because it's against his mother.


>Parents can do anything to their children and they should not complain except to Allah, unless they try to make you a kaffir or mutilate you

Not true

>as she is not doing any kufr he cannot react against that

not true, and what you say doesn't even make any sense because his reaction to her would also be "just" haram as you put it, and not kufr.

cdac43  No.34602


And your Lord has decreed that you not worship except Him, and to parents, good treatment. Whether one or both of them reach old age [while] with you, say not to them [so much as], "uff," and do not repel them but speak to them a noble word.

17:23 and submit yourself before them in humility out of compassion, and say, “My Lord, be merciful to them as they have brought me up in my childhood.” 17:24

And We have enjoined upon man goodness to parents. But if they endeavor to make you associate with Me that of which you have no knowledge, do not obey them. To Me is your return, and I will inform you about what you used to do. 29:8

And We have enjoined upon man [care] for his parents. His mother carried him, [increasing her] in weakness upon weakness, and his weaning is in two years. Be grateful to Me and to your parents; to Me is the [final] destination. 31:14

You can't even say "uff" to them let alone hit or insult them. Right after tawheed and worshiping Allah SWT, serving parents comes second, no matter if they are sinners or even kuffar. They have their sins and he has his, but sinning against his parents is greater than sinning against a regular person.

f317b8  No.34604


Please use the verses in their right contexts. You posted a verse talking about parents who raise their children with mercy and compassion, and then tried to apply it to mothers who insult, curse and do everything bad to their child under the sun short of "mutilation".

cdac43  No.34614


She's wrong for doing that, but she still has rights over him. More rights than a regular person.

1bca2e  No.34621


We're slaves to the guy Jesus(as) is a slave to. Why not worship God directly?

cdac43  No.34622


Because Jesus (as) is a servant of Allah and can do nothing of his own.

Az-Zukhruf 43:59

[As for Jesus,] he was nothing but [a human being -] a servant [of Ours] whom We had graced [with prophethood], and whom We made an example for the children of Israel .

Matthew 15:24

He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

ff4de0  No.34623


Christ is a title, not a name. Christ refers to "the one" or "the chosen one". In Islam, that is Ahad or Wahid and is one of the names of God. Jesus(as) was a slave to the One, the Wahid, the Ahad, the "christos". You should also be a slave to God, not the man.

1c9cbb  No.34625




Jesus was indeed a slave to Allah but I don’t see why one cannot be a slave to two masters as long as the wills of those masters are perfectly aligned, God-willing. Hypothetically, assuming the will of a king is perfectly unified with the will of God, which is what people presumably mean when they say “the Christ,” then how would being a slave to both constitute improper worship? In theory, spiritual slavery to such a hypothetical person (again, the will of whom we DEFINE as being perfectly matched with the will of Allah) would be a wonderful help and a guide. This is the question.

1bca2e  No.34626


>I don’t see why one cannot be a slave to two masters

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me". Literally the first commandment.

ff4de0  No.34627


Can't serve two masters. Make your choice: serve a man or serve the all powerful creator of worlds. Choose wisely.

1c9cbb  No.34629



Exactly. You guys sound like Jesus who said precisely this:

No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. (Matthew 6:24)

Just one example of how his will is perfectly in-line with the will of God.

ff4de0  No.34630


You can't be a slave to Jesus AND to God. Jesus was just a man. A prophet, yes, but just a man and unworthy of worship. If you equate Jesus to God or call him "God's son", then you are committing shirk and are among the worst of sinners.

1bca2e  No.34631


>Old testament says not to worship any other gods

>New testament says you can't worship two masters

>But worshipping two gods is OK

At least I can say it's not the worst argument on this board

1c9cbb  No.34632


I agree, in general. But the thinking is this: If the will of a man could hypothetically be unified and perfectly aligned with the will of God without even a single moment of discrepancy, then God will delight in aiding and assisting that man as he would an only son in whom he delights. Such a man would not literally but effectively be God, because he is in possession of the will of God. It’s not a formal or ontological equation with God but a pragmatic one. What do you think of this?

1bca2e  No.34633


The will of man is still of a man, and still belongs to a man. A man is not a God and is unworthy of worship, regardless of anything to do with wills. Hiding behind theoreticals doesn't make your argument any more valid.

1c9cbb  No.34635


It’s just semantics.

Do you think it’s possible to perfectly submit to the will of God without even a single error? Do you believe it has ever been done?

ff4de0  No.34636



We could go around and around forever on hypothetical possibilities.

>Such a man would effectively be God

How so? The will of a man cannot create the Universe no matter how hard he tries.


>Do you think it’s possible to perfectly submit to the will of God

Yes. To totally submit to the Will of Allah is to succumb to that superior status of Allah’s Lordship and to obey as would an obedient slave his wise master. This obedience, at its highest level, would mean that the obedient obeys in such a way that (s)he does not think about a matter or perform an act but to think of Allah before, during and after the execution of that act, something that necessitates total remembrance of Allah and His commands and the subsequent absence of room for disobedience be it the misuse or abuse of His gifts to humans. This total obedience also means thankfulness in its entirety since it means that the thankful thanks Allah by not misusing the gifts that he was endowed with by remembering Allah and adhering to His commands whenever (s)he employs any of His gifts.

>Do you believe it has ever been done?

Of course! Every creature born on this Earth submits perfectly to God. Man, however, becomes corrupt as the world corrupts him and must return to perfect submission.

cdac43  No.34639


Matthew 6:24

No man can serve two masters: for either he

will hate the one, and love the other; or else

he will hold to the one, and despise the other,

Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Az-Zumar 39:29

[To this end,] God sets forth a parable: A man who has for his masters several partners, [all of them] at variance with one another, and a man depending wholly on one person: can these two be deemed equal as regards their condition? [Nay,] all praise is due to God [alone]: but most of them do not understand this.

cdac43  No.34640


I think prophets fit that description very well, yet they still aren't gods, although they submit and follow the will of their creator.


It's not possible, if by error you mean mistake. But eventually the prophets correct themselves and finish their work that was destined. No one can worship Allah (SWT) as He truly deserves, but He only gives us a chance to show our true intention and recognition of his dominion. If you do that, He is not one to shun a servant.

ff4de0  No.34643


Ok, well, we're not getting into the whole Christianity vs Islam thing in this thread again. We have a thread for that. Use it >>20806

/islam/ is not for comparative religious studies. This is the QTDDTOT thread for questions about Islam.

f130bd  No.34645

Hi, I'm Muslim, don't have any questions, really. I clicked the Islam board out of morbid curiosity because I expected to see typical ☻posting and the like but I was pretty shocked to see a genuine board dedicated to Muslims and Islam, it's quite the pleasant surprise.

62ef41  No.34646



I can literally look up "esoteric islam" and find arguments for it. It's cool if that's not what you're into, but you don't have to mislead me towards what you want me to be.

1bca2e  No.34647


You can find arguments for anything on the Internet. That doesn't make those arguments true.

Here's a convenient place to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_interpretation_of_the_Quran

Pay extra attention towards the first few paragraphs in the section "Quranic Esotericism", because they lay out why we think esotericism is a doomed endeavour. Outside that you'll find most of them are just taking agreed upon verses and looking at them differently.

ff4de0  No.34648


I can find arguments on the internet that "proves" Islam allows homosexuality and eating pork. But the fact is, in accordance with Qur'an and the Hadith, that these things are not permitted. Same goes for "esoteric Islam". Qur'an explicitly states that there is no hidden knowledge no matter how bad you want there to be. Islam is a simple religion that anyone - yes, anyone - can understand fully.

cdac43  No.34666


False cultist detected.


>ta'wil means esoteric

t.non arab

1bca2e  No.34668


>Ctrl + F: ta'wil

>1 result

I was responding to a point on "esoteric Islam". Specifically on looking up the term "esoteric Islam". Throwing around Arabic terms which were never mentioned in the first place won't change anything.

cdac43  No.34677


So you don't read the wikis you post? Yikes…

37933f  No.34681



> "proves"

Who are you quoting? I never said the arguments were true, or that they prove anything. I'm simply pointing out the subject I asked about (esoteric sects within islam) is a belief system some people subscribe to, contrary to your dishonest attempts to dissuade me from investigating. You will never convince me of anything by lying to me or forbidding me from learning something.

ff4de0  No.34684


>You will never convince me of anything by lying to me or forbidding me from learning something.

I'm not forbidding anything, but you can't go around claiming that "secret hidden knowledge" is part of Islam when Qur'an itself contradicts the very notion.

cdac43  No.34701


ppl can claim to be esoteric muslims, such as ppl claim to be homosexual imams or american nationalist muslims, ect.. saying something does not make it true, we answered you based on the facts not whims, if you want to seek cults go ahead have fun dancing towards hell

20af93  No.34751

Is the annoying tranny that used to post here still around or is he gone?

59a9bf  No.34753


I assume Undyne is still around, but haven't seen the name in a while.

bb7a80  No.35130

I am a non Muslim monotheistic deist who has like all others sinned heavily. I have already began removing sin from my life. But my biggest sin of all is my sexuality. Growing up I had a very human want for female love but was never able to receive any companionship from one. Early to mid grade school I began to develop homosexual tendencies and I have committed definite sins. But I hate myself for it pray for forgiveness. Does anyone else have a similar experience of trying to remove a part of themselves they hate but feel as if it’s apart of their nature? I hope in my practice and submission to Allah I can find myself forgiven of this sin I carry with a wife and family.

ff4de0  No.35131

File: df24111025c282f⋯.pdf (2.32 MB, Quran English.pdf)


Welcome to /islam/!

We all sin. It is the inevitable part of being human. But, by virtue of the fact that you recognize your sin and seek to reform from sin shows a lot. Have you read Qur'an? Maybe you should if you haven't. It contains many answers to avoiding sin and repentance from sin. Here is a simple English pdf and is a good place to start.

0f2c1a  No.35150

File: 7e90d70c898ff7c⋯.png (207.58 KB, 500x332, 125:83, a seal that is putting on ….png)

How was Paul from the bible a false prophet? Picture not related.

bbffe0  No.35229

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

What do you guys think of hamood?

158370  No.35269


Careful with that Version!

I read it until chapter 2:54 where it translated "kill yourselves" to "Kill your egos". I do not trust it.

>"The translation by Talal Itani does not confirm to the standards of translations, he has committed serious errors in the translation going against the Islamic creed (aqeedah)"

9f6256  No.35319


And (remember) when Musa (Moses) said to his people: "O my people! Verily, you have wronged yourselves by worshipping the calf. So turn in repentance to your Creator and kill yourselves (the innocent kill the wrongdoers among you), that will be better for you with your Lord." Then He accepted your repentance. Truly, He is the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful.

28913b  No.35374


My question is somewhat related to this one. I'm a new convert coming from a Christian background and am curious as to what exactly the Islamic view of the Old Testament is, as to me God as found in the Old Testament cannot be reconciled with the All-Forgiving and Most Merciful Creator I have found in the Qur'an. For example, Deuteronomy 20:16-18 calls for the extermination of several peoples because their proximity posed a threat to the Jews:

"However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the LORD your God has commanded you. Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God."

And when we look at a historical example of Muslim implementation of Jewish law, we find that even though the Jews of the Quraiza agreed to be judged by their own law after the Battle of the Trench (and therefore should have been all exterminated, as seen above), Sa'd instead went against their law and applied the more lenient punishment prescribed by Deuteronomy 20:13-14 for far off nations, which would be disobeying God if Jewish law is accepted as having come from Him, right? But preemptive extermination seems to me to not accord with God's commands to neither wage a war of aggression (2:190) nor to continue fighting if the opposing side wishes to cease hostilities (2:192-193), not to mention the stipulation to grant asylum to idolaters that seek it so that they can be given da'wa (9:6).

I suppose, then, that the Torah should be viewed as a revelation which has been changed so much so as to no longer "be salvageable," as it were?

ff4de0  No.35380


>Is it Muslims who preserve the Quran or is it Allah

Allah revealed Qur'an to mankind. It is up to us to preserve it. If someone gives you a tub of ice cream, it's up to you to put it in the freezer before it melts.

560a98  No.35384


Dubious until you learn that Mushrikeenism is nowhere found in the Bible unless your translation is based on a manuscript with an interpolation added to 1 John 5:7-8, perhaps.

94d134  No.35385

File: 8bb7ad9bd870c9d⋯.gif (826.19 KB, 500x500, 1:1, 0NXbDK8.gif)

File: 31d5ceccf59e934⋯.jpg (220.31 KB, 1000x700, 10:7, Untitled-1.jpg)

File: b67bf23575c01a9⋯.gif (652.59 KB, 460x194, 230:97, xG8FHAT.gif)

What does /islam/ think of this?

ff4de0  No.35386


Except that the universe is full of fascinating coincidences? Indifferent.

94d134  No.35387

File: 473c8a8081d3bca⋯.jpg (872.23 KB, 2310x1781, 2310:1781, Rob Gonsalves 01.jpg)


Indeed. I just found it pretty interesting

ff4de0  No.35390


>doesn't understand metaphor

Well, I guess I can't expect too much reading comprehension from a Christian.

654edf  No.35413


Sorry for having faith that God would ensure truth lasts.

ff4de0  No.35420


God IS truth. We can only interpret what is revealed.

48402a  No.35545

I'm no Quranist, but I did come across an argument by one in which it is argued that Hajj actually consists of four months, and I find it convincing. His proof is, amongst other things, the following verses:

“For Hajj are the months (Arabic: Ashurun - plural) well known. […]" - 2:197

"Lo! the number of the months with God is twelve months by God's ordinance in the day that He created the heavens and the earth. Four (Arabic: Arba'atun) of them are sacred: that is the right religion. […]" - 9:36

"God made the Kaaba, the Sacred House, an asylum of security for men, as also the Sacred Months, the animals for offerings, and the garlands that mark them: That you may know that God has knowledge of what is in the Heavens and on Earth and that God is well acquainted with all things" - 5:97

From the above, it does indeed seem that Hajj is supposed to take place over months plural, so how is Hajj lasting only one month explained? It's impossible that no one before him noticed these verses, so I know that there's a reason for Hajj officially only lasting a month.

For reference, the essay can be found here: http://quransmessage.com/articles/the%20lost%20months%20of%20hajj%20FM3.htm

46632f  No.35562


I didn't realize that citing the argument I wish to discuss so others could have full access to the relevant information meant I fully endorsed that source. I even explicitly stated I don't share the same views as that author, so I really don't know what else I'm supposed to do to package heterodox beliefs in such a way so as to allow for a proper treatment of them. Though I understand how Quranism is (rightfully) viewed, I thought it fair enough to allow myself to wonder why there's a divergence between the Qur'an and what's practiced in regards to one of the very pillars of our faith. I am still learning all the whats, hows, and whys of Islam, and it doesn't seem to do the one true faith right to suggest that any of those matters have as their reason, "Just because."

f317b8  No.35567


Since you found his arguments convincing, could you tell me first where the word "for" in the Quranic Arabic he translates as:

>“For Hajj are the months well known

is, and secondly, where the word "Rabi" (as in the month) is used to mean "fourth"?

28913b  No.35569


Of course! However, as I do not know Arabic myself, I will be referencing the Quranic Arabic Corpus site. I hope that that is considered a legitimate source.

"For" is not present in the Arabic in 2:197, but what we find instead seems to be "Hajj months." Since both are in the nominative case, the phrase could be literally translated as "The Hajj months [are] well-known."

As for your second question, we see that the third word in 18:22 is "rābi'uhum," which is glossed as "the fourth of them," -uhum being the 3rd person plural masculine genetive pronoun, as can also be seen in the very next word "kalbuhum," glossed as "their dog." Additionally, the root rā bā ʿayn (ر ب ع) derives the words "four, forty, forth," so there seems to me to be no problem with that claim.

28913b  No.35570


Wait, I should clarify that I'm not here to defend this position. My apologies. I was simply wondering if someone knew the relevant hadith to answer this "multi-month Hajj" claim, or of there's no hadith, the ruling and why it was made.

f317b8  No.35571


>as I do not know Arabic myself

After reading some stuff on that site I'm pretty sure the owner doesn't either.

>the phrase could be literally translated as "The Hajj months [are] well-known."

No it couldn't. A literal translation would be "the Hajj [is] months well-known". So the question would then be, why doesn't the author believe Hajj is a four-month long ritual?

>so there seems to me to be no problem with that claim.

They're two different words, whereas the author claimed they're the same. That's a problem to me.


I asked you because I wondered if you even understood his argument you found convincing, and it seems like I've got my answer.

2dcd23  No.35573


You're right. I gave his argument too much credence and too little critical thought… and in fact, after more searching, I found an article explaining that the state of ihraam can only be entered into during certain months beforehand, and since ihraam is a necessary prerequisite for Hajj it is therefore a part of it. I had not known about ihraam before now.

Thank you for helping me, brother. I wish I could be ignorant offline, but I'm currently living abroad, and none of the people at the masjid near me speak a language I'm conversant in well. I apologize in advance for any more headaches I might cause you good people!

2dcd23  No.35576


Taiwan. I've heard there's one other American convert who shows up sometimes, but I haven't had any success so far in running into him.

ff4de0  No.35578


You're in Taiwan and don't speak the local language? How'd that happen?

28913b  No.35579


No, that's the point: I speak English and Chinese, but everyone else speaks either Arabic or Urdu.

000000  No.35580


What does the "We" that God uses in the Quran mean?

I was told that it was a royal "We", but later on I learned that the royal "We" was introduced in the 13th century (I'm not sure about the century) by an English King and it meant "God and I", that's why it's called a royal "We".

Is this true? Was the royal "We" used by kings in pre islamic history? Is there another explanation for the "We" in the Quran?

Thank you

5d5ab8  No.35594


Of course the Christians do, but not the Jews, right? Unless I'm mistaken, they're strict monotheists. I thought the fault with Judaism lay in rejecting God's message as delivered by Jesus and the prophet Muhammad.

ff4de0  No.35601

Why has the QTDDTOT thread become the comparative religious studies thread?

3710da  No.35609

Was Zoroaster a prophet of Allah? Does Ohrmazd indeed refer to the same heavenly Creator? Or is there something I am missing?

ff4de0  No.35610


Christian discussion has its own thread.

6ce850  No.35611


No one can really give you an answer to that. We don't have any reliable evidence to confirm it, just like we don't have any proof the Buddah wasn't a prophet (although some are inclined to believe so).

ff4de0  No.35612


We don't know. Obviously we have a list of known prophets, but we're also told there are other prophets. [16:36] However, we also can't assume someone is a prophet just because our feels tell us so. It is best to stick with the known prophets and not worry about the unknown.

f317b8  No.35643


You're not presenting christian history honestly. Which "new testament"? You mean the canon that took 400+ years to develop and which to this day christians disagree on?

All you had were different christians running around claiming that they had reports on what Jesus said. It would be up to people to make a judgement on whether or not that was true.

Your own bible(probably, I don't know which edition you follow) also says not everything jesus(god) said was recorded, so you believe words of God were not preserved.

5038a4  No.35716


>own thread

Yes it does my brother. The trini hijacking of our QTDDTOT will no longer be tolerated inshaAllah.


f317b8  No.35717


There are several possible answers:

a) a correct gospel existed, and it was not the one you happen to consider to be orthodox, rather one of the many others. There were certainly christian sects that rejected what you consider to be orthodoxy that survived until after Islam. As for your saying "…to humans to be found" is a bit misleading, since you don't believe mankind as a whole had access to it, rather just a small part.

b) No one collection needs to be 100% authentic, which is not possible anyway since the gospels contradict each other even in what ended up in the orthodox canon(s). Your claim is that the overall narrative is correct, even if some of the authors(who you nevertheless believe to be divinely inspired eye witnesses) made mistakes in their accounts of Jesus biography. We could say the same then. Especially since the gospels are just eye witness testimonies and not anything penned by Jesus or supervised by him. So people would follow what made sense and could be verified, while heretical claims of man-gods would be rejected(even though this isn't explained in your orthodox canon anyway) .

c) the status would be similar to the case of any people that had not heard any of the israelite prophets, let alone Jesus, as well as humans who lived before the the torah was revealed. Now I don't know exactly what you claim is their case since you believe everything God revealed is in the bible, but for us we believe that there are many Prophets we don't know about. Also, one can derive at monotheism through reasoning alone.

Also, I note that you did not comment on your bible saying words of God were not preserved. So you've just fallen afoul to your own argument.

5038a4  No.35718


My apologies.

I didnt know you were gonna respond to this guy. After he persisted in filling our Questions thread with missionary activity I removed his posts itt.

Trini General has been renamed ahlul kitabayn.

ff4de0  No.35719


Good to have you back, akhi.

f317b8  No.35720


No problem, he can reply in the dedicated thread if he wants, although it'll probably just be more rehearsed sales pitches that don't actually respond to anything I said. .

28dff4  No.35724



Even my legitimate questions in the Trini thread were deleted. Dishonest.

ad25ae  No.35737

I remember I used to be so obsessed with Islam and now I don’t know why. I’ve hit a wall. I think it is because I am locked out of learning more because of the language barrier. It’s just not the same reading translations of each little bit online. I don’t know as many words as I should, and the ones I do, I mostly know in Latin pronunciation because I still cannot connect all the letters in cursive much less pronounce them in a way that sounds like it’s supposed to.


I’ve thought about doing that actually. How does that go for you? Does it help incentivize you to learn, being out of the frying pan so to say?

000000  No.35897

yo /islam/

i've been somewhat stuck for the last year.

i used to be somewhat of a /pol/ack, but for the right reasons. mostly because it was rather obvious that the west was in decline, and i felt like nationalism would be the way to save it.

however, after reading the qur'an i felt like it pretty much summed up what i want society to look like.

most of the things in there were well explained, and i was able to understand the reasoning behind what God said to Muhammad (pbuh).

all-in-all, it was a great experience and helped formulate my world-view.

the problem is that i am european, and islam and christianity have been "at war" for the last couple of centuries, and becoming muslim feels like betraying my nation and people.

i tried to look into christianity, but i cannot accept the trinity, among other things.

i'm sorry for ranting, but i'm not sure what to do.

000000  No.35898


what Gabriel said*

ff4de0  No.35899


Christianity isn't European and nationalism has no place in Islam.

a4530e  No.35900


The idea that Islam has anything to do with race is a common /pol/ misconception. Islam is the truth. Do you think that by following the truth, you are betraying a group of people you belong to because the majority of them have a history of following falsehood? I am white and I am a Muslim.

[Quran 10-100] And it is not for a soul to believe except by permission of Allah , and He will place defilement upon those who will not use reason.

8dec5d  No.35901



I was in your same position in hijri year 1429. I loved everything about Islam except the idea of me becoming muslim. In the end I begged Allah for the gift of faith and my prayers were answered and then it was no longer a choice on my part, it was only an unstoppable acknowledgement and affirmation of my iman.

>the problem is that i am european, and islam and christianity have been "at war" for the last couple of centuries, and becoming muslim feels like betraying

Christianity is a betrayal of God and every prophet including Jesus pbuh. There is no blame to be had in betraying a betrayer. What you must realize is Christianity in Europe is the manure for the sowing of Islam, that’s all it ever was. Christianity - inspite of itself -familiarized the people on that continent with all the major messengers, save the final prophet. This is why Christianity Is a lawless religion. It is just the antechamber of Islam, alhamdulillah.

Now come home, bro.

9c4a45  No.35925

I don't usually post here but this is my question. How do you manage to pray 5 times a day plus washing before prayer and everything. I am a student in a big city so I am out all day. Masjid is far away too. Where do you get the time and the space?

9c5234  No.35926


Although my schedule this semester finishes at noon and thus is no longer a problem, I used to just return to my apartment to pray and have a quick lunch during the hour I had for lunch break. Your college might have a prayer room, though.

ff4de0  No.35928


Pretty much the same way you get into any habit. You start doing it and, over time, it just becomes part of your routine. Also, it doesn't take all that much time.

000000  No.35967


I know Christianity isn't European in origin, but it evolved here a bit and has become part of our culture.

I also understand that nationalism has no place in Islam. I said that at that time "I *felt* like nationalism would be the way to save it."

After I started to read more I found out I was wrong, blind nationalism simply leads to death.

The reason for me being a /pol/ack back then is that the west really has lost everything, and anger is really all that we have left. We used to have faith with Christianity, at least we had a connection to God. But modern western civ. only cares about money, they would throw their entire population under the buss if it would improve their cash flow. I want the best for my people, and understand that Islam might well bring back the happiness and nobility the west once embodied.


Nah, I understand that it has nothing to do with race, the reason why I put it there was because it was my thought process at the time I was an avid /pol/ browser. Anyone that read the Qur'an and still thinks Islam is about race should read it again.

I feel like I am betraying my parents that raised me. While they agree with me on pretty much everything, with regards to the state of the west and how to fix it, they've refused to read Qur'an and told me it simply doesn't belong in the western world.

Like, I could bring up entire chapters of the Qur'an, and they would believe, but after I would tell them it was Qur'an, they get mad.


Thanks friend, I've already considered to make the Qur'an the basics of most of my actions, and will probably follow through with it for at least a couple of months.

About Christianity… Yea, I simply cannot understand how it can be a good basis of any civ., There are many ideas in Christianity I simply cannot agree with, considering: Trinity, Salvation by Faith, The entire Catholic church, etc etc.

I just feel like it's a mix of Judaism and ancient Pagan European religions.


Sorry for the wall of text/ranting, I just want people that I can talk with that actually have an interest in these sorts of topics. Living in modern Europe is hell for those wanting to improve their conduct. We're constantly being pulled at every side by the powers that be, and the idea of improvement of our civ is will just make other people not want to be around you (you're a buzzkill, etc). I once told a few friends of mine that I read the Qur'an, and that they should try it themselves. They made fun of me for a couple of months for that. Same with my parents and family. It's great that there are still sites like this where I can post Anonymously about the things I believe in, and the things that interest me.

dce84b  No.35972


Here is a quick advice to you bro. Two former trinitares:

Bart Ehrman. Sir Anthony Buzzard. Both have books and youtube presence.

If you are interested in textual criticism of the New Testament checkout Ehrman. He learned biblical Greek and became an atheist.

If you are interested in a non-pagan view of both Testaments checkout Buzzard. He learned Hebrew and became a Unitarian.

Those two men have the two best ways of approaching the Bible I have ever seen and both of their interpretations - while very different - are worth taking note of.

Personally I find when combined what they leave standing of the Bible is a Pre-Quran.

a4530e  No.35974


There are a lot of converts that have family members that get upset with them after they become Muslim. After a while some family members will soften up and become more open to it, once they get over their initial reaction of disapproval and actually start to look at Islam objectively.

But like you said, the Quran and the Sunnah are the perfect foundation of what a society should look like. Free markets and private property are protected, while still providing a strong safety net for the poor (from zakat). Taxes are supposed to be kept at a minimum and women are made to dress modestly. I could go on and on with examples like these, but all of them are solutions to problems that are becoming worse and worse in the west.

000000  No.35993

Hello guys,

is there in English aword for masjid other than mosque? Could you call it a temple for example?

ff4de0  No.35994


No, it's a mosque. Sometimes people use "school", but it's not a temple. "Sadagh" is the word for temple.

000000  No.36024

Sorry if this was asked before. What was the status of people during the time of the Prophet peace and blessings upon him? Where they citizens, serfs or something else? Was the Prophet peace and blessings upon him considered a lord or a king? Did people pay taxes? Basically what were politics like at that time period in Mecca?

ff4de0  No.36025


Read the Sunnah. All your answers are in there. sunnah.com

a4530e  No.36162

Abdullah is a wheat farmer. He has 3000 dollars. He plants wheat in his fields at a cost of 2000 dollars. He cannot afford harvesting equipment, so he pays someone to harvest his crop. It was a bad year, and he only makes 13050 dollars selling his wheat. Unfortunately, he has to pay 13000 dollars to the person that harvested for him, which leaves Abdullah with 50 dollars. With a current account balance of 1050 dollars, the Imam tells him that he has to pay 10% of the amount of money he made on his wheat in zakat. The Imam says that he cannot deduct his expenses, and he has to pay 10% of 13050 dollars (1305 dollars). Should he

A) Take out a loan and go into debt to pay his zakat

B) Subtract his expenses before calculating his zakat

ff4de0  No.36163


Zakat is 2.5% of total wealth. His obligation would be $326.25 and it can be paid in installments. He should also consider a cheaper labor source.

da7069  No.36164


Have to deduct the gold nisab. He owes nothing.

>taking out debt to pay zakat


a4530e  No.36165

File: ead409601c7a3e3⋯.png (150.43 KB, 809x615, 809:615, Combines.png)


Zakat is 10% of grain crops (barley, wheat etc) which are not irrigated, calculated after the grain has hardened. Zakat is 5% of grain crops that are irrigated. At the time of the Prophet PBUH, planting and harvesting was done on a much smaller scale and there were not the exorbitant costs that are involved in modern day farming. However, there is no mention of being able to deduct farming expenses in the hadith.


A new combine costs around $ 400,000. Not to mention the price of trucks and other machinery needed for harvesting. Most farmers cannot afford this amount, so they have the option of taking out a large loan to buy one (haram) or to pay someone to harvest your crop for you using their combine. The situation I was describing was a very, very bad harvest. If we would have known that we would only get 13050 dollars for it, we would have sold it as hay before the grain hardened. We would have made a little bit more money that way, no zakat would be due upon it, and we wouldn’t have to pay someone to use their combine.

a4530e  No.36166

File: 85a1f56df9eced8⋯.png (183.44 KB, 819x609, 39:29, tractors.png)


Keep in mind, this is USED equipment. Buying new equipment costs even more. Our equipment is much older, from around the 70s-90s, and is still very expensive, but isn't as ridiculously priced as the ones in the pictures.

41ddad  No.36168



I still lurk….

719503  No.36171


Oh... Sorry.... Anyway can you not use that word? It's an offensive slur and here's what hadith has to say about cursing


55575a  No.36174


Please dont use this community to spread or attempt to justify your gender transitioning. It will not benefit anyone, yourself included. If you want to wear a hijab and act like a woman just keep it to yourself.

ff4de0  No.36177


>I still lurk




All Undyne said was that she still lurks. She's not spreading an agenda or hurting you in any way. Grow up or GTFO.

a4530e  No.36178


Well it appears that I am just going to have to make ijtihad about the agricultural zakat. The only answer I can get from an Imam is that absolutely no expenses can be deducted under any circumstances, even if it would mean paying more in zakat that you actually made selling the grain. That doesn’t make sense to me, and it doesn’t seem to be in line with other principles of zakat. I am going to deduct the expenses from planting and harvesting, along with the taxes paid, from the amount of money received from selling the grain. Then I am going to pay 10% in zakat on that amount Insha Allah. If anyone would like to give me their opinion on what I plan to do, I would appreciate it.

a4530e  No.36182


It is well known among Muslims that people are not supposed to make public mention of their sins. This only causes fitna. Even if you don’t believe that what you are doing is sinful, the overwhelming majority of Muslims do believe that you are involved in multiple major sins. You are the only person on this board who always posts using a name, which will always draw specific attention to the actions that the majority of Muslims believe are major sins. It is possible to engage in discussions about shiism, transgender issues, and other things anonymously. This will stop the verbal abuse that you always attract and there will be more a meaningful, substantial conversation.

ff4de0  No.36185


I recognize the human condition. We all suffer, we all have tests and challenges, and we all are imperfect. I love my brothers and sisters despite their imperfections. Undyne's struggle for identity does not need to be screamed about every time she posts. All Undyne said was "I still lurk". The screeching reaction to that was uncalled for. "I still lurk" is not pushing an agenda or making any sort of announcement concerning transgender issues or conditions. It is simply "I still lurk".

Now, you know what the best part of Undyne using a name is? You can filter the name and never have to get your panties in a bunch ever again.

8f3ea3  No.36186


Maybe you both should lurk these hadith

It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah RA said: The Messenger of Allah SAW cursed the man who wears women’s clothing and the woman who wears men’s clothing. Narrated by Abu Dawood (4098) and classed as saheeh by al-Nawawi in al-Majmoo’ (4/469) and by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

Abu Hurayrah said: I heard the Messenger of Allah SAW say: “All of my ummah will be forgiven except those who sin openly. It is a part of sinning openly when a man does something at night, then the following morning when Allah has concealed his sin, he says, ‘O So and so, I did such and such last night,’ when all night his Lord has concealed him and the next morning he uncovers what Allah had concealed.” Narrated by al-Bukhari, 5721; Muslim, 2990

ff4de0  No.36187


I am fully aware of the hadith. It does not change the fact that I love my brothers and sisters regardless of their sin. Your hatred and vitriol against your fellow Muslim condemns you just as much. Look to your own sin first.

8dec5d  No.36188



Can we all calm down? I dont see hatred here. I want the best for Undyne and I assume we all do. If other muslims disagree with something a muslim does it is incumbent to speak their mind.

If I disagree with something Undyne is doing or is advocating it doesn’t mean this person is not my fellow muslim. Quite the opposite, I only care because they are muslim.

ff4de0  No.36189


That's not my point. My point is that Undyne said "I still lurk". That's it. The immediate response was to start kvetching about agendas and spouting a bunch of hadith. How, exactly, is "I still lurk" an attempt to spread an agenda? The response was extreme. All it required was a simple "Oh, ok".

8f3ea3  No.36190


I am the same poster as >>36182. The only place there is any hatred and vitriol is in your own delusional liberal mind. The news media that is currently promoting transgenderism, even among young children, never mentions that there is a large percentage of people with gender dysphoria who deeply regret undergoing sex reassignment surgery. If they really actually cared about them, they would tell them that other people have had serious regrets about this unreversable decision. You can try to get another surgery to go back to your original gender, but it isn’t very effective at all.


ff4de0  No.36191


See: >>36189

It applies to you too. Exactly what, in your mind, requires you to start screaming about agendas and "m-muh children!" when someone simply says, "I still lurk."

8f3ea3  No.36192


How can you sit there and ignore the pain and suffering of these people’s struggle to persevere through their condition? Don’t you have any empathy for people who need help making what might be the most important decision of their lives? Shouldn’t they at least be told about the brave other souls who have undergone gender reassessment surgery and later regretted their decision? You better get woke and realize that you are on the wrong side of history, pal. This is about people. Real human people who are sick and need help. Maybe if you stopped thinking about yourself for 5 seconds you would realize this. All you can do is throw around accusations and hatred. Try thinking about someone else for a change. At least some of us have the decency to try and reach out and help someone out of the love that is within our hearts.

ff4de0  No.36193


"I still lurk"






<Was this response truly necessary?

>i-it's you who express hatred D: D: D:

Just let it go, kid.

8f3ea3  No.36194


I’m sorry that I have made you so angry. At least consider the opinions of others before you say hurtful things to them. All I tried to do was help the poor fellow with gender dysphoria by showing him resources to help in his decision making process. All you are doing is attacking anyone that doesn’t agree with you.

252e87  No.36195

Am I sinful? Is my boyfriend a sinner for dating me? I can't say because I'm not a scholar. What I can do, is ask that my privacy be respected. It's actually none of y'all's business what lies beneath my clothes, stop trying to undress me with your words.

8f3ea3  No.36196


If you want privacy, you could post anonymously. For the reasons I stated >>36182. You cannot claim a monopoly on victimhood with what you are doing. The Muslims on this board that are exposed to the fitnah you are profligating are victims.

ff4de0  No.36197


It's not me who is angry. It's the anger and vitriol and rage in response to 3 simple words: "I still lurk". Do you not see that? You people are acting like you belong on /christian/.

ff4de0  No.36198


>Am I sinful?

Of course! We all are.

8f3ea3  No.36199


Transgender people seem to have a hatred for Christianity, while at the same time harboring a deep-seated desire for attention and being perceived as victims. This becomes very obvious in the cases where the knowingly go to Christian bakers and ask them to make a cake as a tribute to their homosexual behaviors. The Christian bakers refuse, and the transgender people act horrified as if they have been wronged in the most audacious way. How dare that Christian stand up for his beliefs!

Transgender people suffer from gender dysphoria, which is a type of mental illness. While they are the ones that have something wrong with them, they have to make it seem like everyone who does not accept their behavior as normal are the ones that have a type of mental problem.

Islam is about enjoining what is right and forbidding what is wrong. It is about giving Naseehah (advice) to their brothers and sisters when they go astray. These are the most basic of principles and you don’t need to be a scholar to know about them.

ff4de0  No.36200


Ok, but now answer the question: What part of all that rambling is a valid response to "I still lurk"?

This is the QTDDTOT thread, not your personal trans-hate blog.

ff4de0  No.36202


That post wasn't until an hour ago. Everything else going on up until that point was just mindless stupidity and knee-jerk assholery over a name.

8f3ea3  No.36203

I think that >>36202 and >>36195 are the same person.

ff4de0  No.36204


Oh goodie. Rage turns to paranoia. Are you from /pol/?

719503  No.36205


I don't want to normalize transsexualism but I think if a Muslim woman says she is a Muslim woman, it's not our place to put her under investigation, scrutinize her appearance, etc.

If you want a woman to "prove" she isn't trans then you're basically in the same category as those people who want a woman to take her pants off to prove she's biologically female, now why don't you show me which Hadith has led you to believe this is appropriate behavior?

Every religion has those narcissists who, first thing they do after converting is they look up which piece of scripture they can use to justify harassing others. Don't be one of those people.

8f3ea3  No.36208


Exactly. If Undyne wants to go out in public wearing a hijab and acting like a woman, he can do so. No one has the right to question if he is a man, interrogate or harass him in any way. The problem is that he is openly talking about being a man that is taking estrogen and dressing as a woman, being in a homosexual relationship, and committing sodomy. He always posts using the same name, so that everyone knows who he is and what he is doing. That is what the issue is. This has nothing to do with him being transgendered. He is exposing his sins openly, which is not allowed in Islam.

If someone is sinning no one has the right to expose them as being a sinner in front of other people, just as the person who is sinning has no right to expose their sins in front of other people.

Abu Hurayrah said: I heard the Messenger of Allah SAW say: “All of my ummah will be forgiven except those who sin openly. It is a part of sinning openly when a man does something at night, then the following morning when Allah has concealed his sin, he says, ‘O So and so, I did such and such last night,’ when all night his Lord has concealed him and the next morning he uncovers what Allah had concealed.” Narrated by al-Bukhari, 5721; Muslim, 2990

8f3ea3  No.36210


I should rephrase that. Instead of saying “he can do so,” I should have said he is able to do so. I am not condoning what he is doing, because it is clearly sinful according to the Quran and Sunnah. Muslims are supposed to avoid negative assumption and are not supposed to spy on each other. So if someone is committing some sin privately it should be kept private, unless they are wronging someone else, then the person who was wronged has the right to expose what was done.

4945f8  No.36213

are shias and ibadi considered muslims according to sunnis and vice versa?

b68d17  No.36214



You have the same ID.

8dec5d  No.36222

File: e5866675393b4a7⋯.png (123.23 KB, 625x626, 625:626, 82C3348C-E56C-4F45-B3D2-34….png)


>islamic board

>my boyfriend

63d74a  No.36242


Oh… Okay. When I post using the name Undyne, I immediately get called out for "advertising my sin" (which I'm not even), and then when I post without a name it doesn't even matter, because you cyber-sleuths will still find a way to link my anonymous posts to me. This is targeted harassnent and I am reporting it.

37fca4  No.36247


Everyone can be Undyne!

719503  No.36258

what just happened? is "Undyne" the new Anonymous?

ff4de0  No.36259


Read much? >>36247

Bit of BO fun.

ff4de0  No.36266


>this board

>run by shariah

How new are you?

ff4de0  No.36270


Alright, smart guy, what is the shariah concerning using the name of a video game character on an internet image board website that hosts pornography and homosexuality?

f660ca  No.36271


>Why are americans so arrogant?

It takes a lot of arrogance to point out other people's faults. Why are you so arrogant?

>What's wrong with you?


>Why do you think you are above the shariah

I don't.

>treat this board as your personal plaything

Because it is. I created it, I nurture it, I make changes to it, and I grow it. It's like my child and sometimes children need to be taught a lesson. The lesson here is: stop concerning yourself with a name.

8f3ea3  No.36272


>I immediately get called out for "advertising my sin" (which I'm not even)

In this >>36195 post, you, a biological man said

>Is my boyfriend a sinner for dating me?

You don’t even have to be a Muslim, let alone a scholar, to know that this is considered sinful in Islam.

That is the issue. We keep telling you to stop making public mention of your sins, and you keep acting like you are being constantly victimized whenever anyone tries to give you advice that is contrary to what you yourself would like to do.

8f3ea3  No.36273


To be fair, I was the one that was concerning myself with Undyne using that name, not that guy.

Plus when I said in >>36203 that >>36270 and Undyne were the same person I was wrong.

ff4de0  No.36276

File: f4cb8f64c926f0f⋯.png (1.33 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, smr7bvues0c11.png)


>We know who he is

No we don't. Undyne could literally be anyone at this point. The name is from a video game character and, since there's no tripcode, anyone and everyone could use the name. The original Undyne - who was a mod for a while - could be long gone. It's literally an /islam/ meme at this point. How new are you?

37fca4  No.36277


>all for yourself and not for the ummah

The ummah? What ummah! You mean the non-stop constant barrage of people on this board who devote all their time to making takfir on everyone? Or do you mean the LARPers from /pol/ who want to play jihadi? Perhaps you mean the assholes who do nothing but drive away questioners with phrases like "hide your sin!" instead of helping the seeker to hide their sin?

I honestly believe that maybe 3 out of the 40 or so regular posters here have actually set foot in a real mosque in the real world. I created this board to discuss Islam and have watched it degenerate over the last 5 - nearly 6 - years into name calling, blaspheming, vitriol, hatred, and rage. If you even so much as mention Shi'a here, it's like some immediate clarion call for people to run screaming into the thread and start demanding Shi'a heads on pikes. It literally sickens me. I've tried twice to step down and hand over the board, but I realize now that I would regret that because I still have hope that somewhere, somehow, genuine Muslims who want to discuss Qur'an, Hadith, and Fiqh will show up and drive out all of you idiots who want nothing more than to crap all over people you don't like or who don't pray the way you like or who go to the wrong mosque.

This is MY board and I will continue to run it as I see fit and, yes, people like Undyne are 100% welcome here. If that triggers you and hurts your feelings, then leave. Make your own board or claim one. Judging by your post history, the only thing you've contributed to this board is more of that hatred and vitriol, which does nothing but drive people away. This board would be better off without you, but I won't ban you. I want people to see you, read your tainted version of Islam, and laugh you off the face of the internet.

f317b8  No.36278


Shi'ism is a religion based on hatred toward the first generation of Muslims and the wives/household of the Prophet salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam. The people "screaming" are the ones preventing this place from being a circle-jerk of judeo-zoroastrian propaganda and hate-speech against the blessed companions.

(Shut the Fuck Up)

ff4de0  No.36279


>bawww pls make this board sunni only

>(Shut the ☻ Up)

*mic drop*

f660ca  No.36280


From now on you will tolerate Shi'a, Sunni, and Ibadi on this board. I do not care how much of a rage-boner you have for Muslims who are not the "right kind of Muslim". This is my board and I will run it. This is not a "sunni echo-chamber".

All Muslims - Sunni, Shia, and Ibadi - are welcome here whether you like it or not.

8f3ea3  No.36281

After this >>36170 post, I don’t see any hatred. Admittedly, I was being a bit sarcastic here >>36192 but there isn’t hatred. Trying to show someone with evidence from the Sunnah that what they are doing is wrong is Naseehah. Trying to show someone that there are hundreds of people in their same condition that have regretted undergoing an irreversible procedure is not hatred. I wouldn’t have known about it if I hadn’t watched a documentary called “I want my sex back.” Yea, it is produced by RT and is full of born again Christian types, but that doesn’t remove the fact that people in large numbers regret sex reassignment surgery. That is because taking hormones and performing surgery doesn’t change what is going on with them mentally. This is completely ignored by the same people championing Transgenders and trying to make everyone everywhere forcibly accept them using whatever bathroom they want, and making parents unable to stop their children as young as 5 who identify as transgender from dressing in the other gender’s clothes and even taking estrogen. Forget about even praying with women, would you like a bearded man, who is not even trying to appear feminine, use the same bathroom as your daughter? As your wife? As your sister? As your mother?

These are obviously the people the Prophet PBUH described as “men imitating women and women imitating men.” The idea that “oh, well maybe these people really are women instead of men” because of their own personal feelings is delusional. Who was the Prophet PBUH referring to in that case? People that are only faking it?

8dec5d  No.36284


I’m the Vol here and I happen to agree with you. But at this board we are not going to censor anyone’s posts so long as they claim Islam and we believe that claim is well intentioned on their part. Basically if they are allowed to make Hajj they are allowed to post here. If they come here please argue with them in a way that is best and challenge them - as I will and have been - inshaAllah.

f317b8  No.36286


I didn't say anything about your moderation policy. As for being the right kind of Muslim then the way I see it you're not being consistent since you make takfir of eg qadiyanis. Just to clarify, that's not an attack on your person nor on your moderation policy but rather on your argument so it shouldn't be against the rules.

81bafc  No.36287


You can't make takfir on non-Muslims. Ahmadi were never Muslims to begin with since they don't believe Muhammad(pbuh) was the last Prophet. If you don't believe that, then you're not Muslim at all. You can believe in the oneness of God, but if you reject Muhammad as the last prophet, then you reject Qur'an. (Al Ahzab: 40)

f317b8  No.36288


If you ask a qadiyani they'll say they don't reject anything. But you've made a choice to examine the beliefs of qadiyanis but not those of twelver shia.

37fca4  No.36290


You replied with disdain for Shi'a immediately after I literally said not to do that. Act like a child, get treated like one.


First of all, that's a pejorative term and you shouldn't be using it. Second, this >>36287


>you've made a choice to examine the beliefs of qadiyanis but not those of twelver shia

Do you assume everyone who agrees with me is me? We have IDs.

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ae42c6  No.36292


>If you ask a qadiyani they'll say they don't reject anything

Well, duh. A fool never claims to be a fool.

8f3ea3  No.36308


I put that >>36273 name. It is based off a short story. A man walks by a bank, and he is very interested in its humble construction. He goes inside and is even more interested to find the owner of the bank is a moderately wealthy Muslim who loves giving out interest-free loans to the poor. All of his financial operations are 100% totally halal. The interested man gets a loan, then buys a cow with it. He names the cow ‘Ham’ and after producing several years of young calves, milk, and other bounties the man sacrifices the cow on Eid and feeds all of his poor neighbors. Everyone is very happy and gives extra Saddaqah to all those who are in need. But then again, we shouldn’t concern ourselves with names and their possible sinful connotations.


Saudis don’t allow transgenders to go for Hajj and Umrah


8f3ea3  No.36309

We’re all Muslims here, there’s no need to be getting angry over internet disagreements.

Abu Huraira reported: A man came to the Prophet and he said, “Advise me.” The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Do not be angry.” The man repeated his request and the Prophet said, “Do not be angry.”

The Prophet PBUH advised even a group of 3 travelers to appoint a leader, which emphasizes the importance of following leadership in any general situation. The BO is the leader of this board. Quranists, Qadianis, and Nation of Islam people are by their own definitions non-Muslim. Shiites, even twelvers and Ibadis are debatable based of their different characteristics. But Ali ibn Abu-Talib refused to call the Khwarijj Kufar when he was fighting them, even after all the crazy things they did. Who the BO wants to allow on his board is ultimately his decision, and we should accept that.

7dec2e  No.36318

Wow, I'm gladly watching this board fall apart. Lmao Muslim infighting is funny.

ff4de0  No.36321


Not nearly as funny as Christian infighting. They start whole wars over the definition of a word.

7f06c8  No.36323


Nah, Sunnis will literally blow themselves up when they see a Shia depiction of Muhammad or Ali. A ☻ing picture can start a war between them. LMAO!

010e7a  No.36357

Do hardcore Muslims throw lesbians off of buildings, or only gay men?

Follow-up: if yes, is there proof of this happening?

656431  No.36684


I recently started working on a farm. I generally work 6 days a week, and during the last busy season i started working at 7am but often didn't finish working until around 10pm. Although this has calmed down a lot i am worried my extremely physical job which is often out in the sun for the majority of the day, will lead me to become ill during Ramadan. Does anyone know of any legitimate exceptions for people working? I don't want to break fast, but i also don't want to pass out in the middle of a rice paddy. I am in a non-muslim country so i am not sure my coworkers understand too.

8dec5d  No.36685




You can have a large suhoor with extra water and a large iftar at 10. If you get light-headed break the fast and make it up on a day off.

def274  No.36846



def274  No.36847


Are people disagreeing with each other a foreign concept for you. Even /pol/ created /leftypol/ since they can't live with each other post Trump america.

171f28  No.36891

Out of sheer curiosity, what does Islamic theology say about non-Muslim who die? Where do they go to, as in, is there an equivalent of the Christian concept of Hell?

ff4de0  No.36893


If you die without being in a state of Islam, you will be punished. Yes, there is a "Hell" and it is supposedly a terrible place. "Every soul shall taste death, and only on the Day of Judgment will you be paid your full recompense." [3:185] So, there is a transitory place for those who die before the Day of Judgment and those who die in disbelief will wait out that time in fear and anguish.

8f3ea3  No.36899


A person who has never heard of Islam or the Prophet SAW and who has never heard the message in its correct and true form, will not always be punished by Allah if he dies as a disbeliever. If it were asked what his fate will be, the answer will be that Allah will test him on the Day of Resurrection: if he obeys, he will enter Paradise and if he disobeys he will enter Hell. Allah will ask the person to testify that He is his Lord, and will make the person promise to do whatever Allah commands him to do. After he promises, Heaven and Hell will be placed before the person. Allah will command the person to enter Hell. If he obeys, he will find it to be cool and safe for him, and will be allowed to enter Paradise Insha Allah. If he disobeys and tries to go into Heaven, he will be taken to Hell.

Everyone who hears the message of Islam in a sound and correct form (and rejects it), will have evidence against him. Whoever dies without having heard the message, or having heard it in a distorted form, then his case is in the hands of Allah. Allah knows best about His creation, and He will never treat anyone unfairly.

656431  No.36986


Thats really not how hydration works and you'll just end up pissing extra in the late morning rather than staying hydrated.

Right now i am doing a "soft fast", whereby i don't eat, smoke, or have sexual relations until sundown, but i drink water during the day so as to not pass out. I know its not Sunnah, but I still feel i get the rememberence of Allah (swt) from the hunger pains, even if there is no direct rewards for fasting this way.

I fast on my days off (in fact i have 10 days off coming up soon) .I do plan to make up the fasting days later. But for now its the best I can do.

854d76  No.37010

File: e606f2ccad46ad4⋯.jpg (147.16 KB, 720x1028, 180:257, madkhali1.jpg)

Question for BO:

Can I make make a political thread? The current one is pro saud and pro taghut and so we should have a non biased thread inshaAllah. The reason I ask is because your vol keeps deleting and banning things he dislikes.

4a5049  No.37017


Yes, you can; but if you expect a political thread to be unbiased, you're deluding yourself. There will always be people with politics you vehemently disagree with. I mean, hell, I'm what you'd call a "leftist", which isn't too popular around here. By all means, though, make your thread.

2a14d5  No.37019

File: 9bf0e582566debe⋯.jpeg (37.81 KB, 300x201, 100:67, 92F0A423-5A1F-4339-8AB4-B….jpeg)



If the BO says you can make a salafi-jihadi OP for a new political thread then so be it. Have fun. No muslim’s speech is censored here, but this is not Islamic /pol/. Now we have an Islamic politics thread, a /pol/ thread, and soon another politics thread but this time with a SJ OP. And please, if someone who made the political thread is someone you disagree with it doesnt mean the thread is biased, you can post literally anything in that thread. But khalas now we have three political threads, how many more?


8f3ea3  No.37037


Saying bad things about someone like Khomeni is okay, since it isn’t ‘political’. Saying bad things about Muhammad Bin Salman is not okay and is ‘political’ because he is a great guy (only Shiites would say otherwise). I saw him on 60 minutes the television show.

2a14d5  No.37038


Please say either thing in the politics thread. I think some people here overthink the moderation. Yes we are a small board but that makes it all the more important to prevent our diverse topic threads from sliding. And BO can tell you most moderation here is removing pornography that is posted by Judeo-Christian visitors.

f317b8  No.37039


>Saying bad things about someone like Khomeni is okay, since it isn’t ‘political’.

who are you quoting?

854d76  No.37040


Are you leftist as in communist or an-soc? Or do you mean socially liberal?


Good, glad this could be cleared up without rash decisions such as instant bans for no reason. I'm sure we can all post disagreeing with each other without censorship inshaAllah. In fact I was demoted because of my censoring of rafidi baatil threads that BO allowed. It seems you got the memo on not deleting rafida threads, so it should only be fair to apply to ahlu sunnah threads as well. Also, my thread will be a bit different, not S-J but more general politics.

2a14d5  No.37042




Yea, after the shootings in New Zealand I realized the need for a big tent islamic board. I dont censor muslims anymore.

854d76  No.37046


The NZ shootings targeted salafists, not rafida.

ca1853  No.37047


>Are you leftist as in communist or an-soc? Or do you mean socially liberal?

I am anti-fascist, anti-racist, anti-nationalist, a socialist, and believe in free will (the right to choose to be a heretic). You don't have to agree with me, but I'm not going to spend a lot of time defending my personal beliefs. I'm an American (since 1641) and I'm pretty fond of my Constitution and will defend it because it is what allows me to be Muslim in this country legally, allows me to arm myself against those who would try to take away that right, and speak out against injustice openly without fear of arrest.

That's why I'm "leftist".

f6dc90  No.37049


Im not sure I follow you here. My point is that while I am sunni I came to realize this board is more valuable as a counter to general chan islamophobia than as a sunni safe space.

854d76  No.37051


>counter to general chan islamophobia than as a sunni safe space

sunnis are 99% of muslims so its redundant, there is no islamophobia against rafida, what you do shows you consider rafida your brothers



that is unnecessary brother islam is a complete system and socialism is a man made taghut system

>free will (the right to choose to be a heretic)

that is wrong brother ridda has a hadd punishment

>pretty fond of my Constitution and will defend it because it is what allows me to be Muslim in this country legally, allows me to arm myself against those who would try to take away that right, and speak out against injustice openly without fear of arrest.

that is wrong brother quran allows you such rights not the man made kaffir constitution, your loyalty is to islam alone not america or its constitution, if you pledge allegiance to america you will be resurrected with its founding fathers who are kuffar

cc613d  No.37059

Hey Muslim bros.

How do I lower my libido? I'm 20 years old, healthy, athletic, the worse part is that many girls tell(told) me I'm attractive, but I haven't been near one for the past two years, since I converted to Islam. It's really hard that every girl outside is wearing nothing so I'm finding myself looking at the ground, in anger and despise, everytime I'm outside.

I've also been feeling really lonely lately because I've got no bros left, they all smoke drink and party now, and of course I don't talk to any girls. It's very tiresome at some times of the day but it thankfully goes away after doing my prayers or listening to Quran.

I also spend 8 to 12 hours daily studying but I'm never tired or exhausted alhamdulillah.

Is there something I could do to ease the pain/loneliness?

854d76  No.37060

cc613d  No.37061


Okay, I am fasting right now

cc613d  No.37063

Is it okay to ejaculate on purpose?

I can't remember the last time I did it but it was because my mind was very blurry, at some period I kept getting memories of girls I've been with and immediately afterwards feel the remorse and regret of what I've done, it was a living nightmare.

ff4de0  No.37070


>sunnis are 99% of muslims

>source: my ass

854d76  No.37074


get married, chad


no it's not okay


deviant detected

ff4de0  No.37078


>deviant detected

Nice non-argument there, shill. You claim Sunnis are 99% of Muslims, but you have no source to back that up. Sunnis are 80, maybe 85% of Muslims; not 99 as you falsely claim.

"Do not mix truth with falsehood and do not deliberately hide the truth" (2:42)

854d76  No.37092



bawww muh special snowflake sect isnt recognized

ff4de0  No.37095


>if you're not in my sect, you're not Muslim

Yeah, see, that makes you the special snowflake who denies Islam to everyone who isn't you. I think f*cking off would be a good idea for people like you. You are not the arbiter of who is and who is not Muslim and you never will be.

854d76  No.37099


I'm not, the furqan is.

f317b8  No.37109


>You are not the arbiter of who is and who is not Muslim

but you evidently are? Otherwise how did you decide who are Muslims when making this post >>37078 ?

ff4de0  No.37110


>but you evidently are?


>how did you decide who are Muslims when making this post

Because unlike this guy >>37092 I recognize Shi'a as Muslims. The only way for Sunni to be 99% of the world's Muslims is if you do not recognize Shi'a. If you don't, then you are claiming to be the arbiter of who is and who is not Muslim.

f317b8  No.37111


>*I* recognize X as Muslims and Y as disbelievers

>*I* can put a number on the world's Muslims

And who made you the arbiter of who is and who isn't Muslim?

ff4de0  No.37112


Who did I say was a disbeliever?

f317b8  No.37113


A large portion of the world's population obviously.

ff4de0  No.37115


Are you even following the conversation?


>sunnis are 99% of muslims

That means he's claiming that out of all the Muslims in the world, 99% of them are Sunni.


>Sunnis are 80, maybe 85% of Muslims

Is where I correct him. Muslims are 80-85% Sunni, and 10-15% Shi'a. So, his original assessment of 99% of Muslims being Sunni means he declares that Shi'a are not Muslim.

Do you agree with him?

f317b8  No.37116


>Muslims are 80-85% Sunni, and 10-15% Shi'a.

Where did you get that from?

8f3ea3  No.37117

File: aa78d3b05faa448⋯.png (10.98 KB, 503x135, 503:135, Wikipedia.png)


>his original assessment of 99% of Muslims being Sunni means he declares that Shi'a are not Muslim

That is an assumption. He never said that ‘Shias are not Muslims.’ You seem to be eager to viciously attack anyone who is critical of Shiism, even when they could only possibly be alluding to it. There are many different shades of Shiism. There are some that blatantly commit shirk, and some that are milder. Although I am critical of Shiites, I am not going to say that they are non-Muslims, because it isn’t necessary and it is dangerous to call someone who declares himself a Muslim a kaafir.


This is from Wikipedia, but you never know, they probably include Nation Of Islam and other groups as Muslims.

ff4de0  No.37118


100+ years of global census data.


>eager to viciously attack anyone who is critical of Shiism

I don't like bullies and, >>37099 (ID), is a bully.

f317b8  No.37119


>100+ years of global census data.

Conducted by whom and who made them the arbiter of who is and who isn't Muslim?

ff4de0  No.37120


Conducted by various nations/states over the years. As for how it works, if someone says they're Muslim, the idea is to believe them. A Muslim is a person who has dedicated his worship exclusively to God. It's really not a difficult metric. It gets complicated when men with agendas show up.

854d76  No.37123


I'm not a bully you're just a contrarian.


So kuffar decide who is muslim and who isn't? Guess that makes qadianis muslim.

f317b8  No.37125


>Conducted by various nations/states over the years.

who made them the arbiter of who is and who isn't Muslim?

>As for how it works, if someone says they're Muslim, the idea is to believe them.

and if they're zanadiqah?

854d76  No.37175

File: 26cfd13c4f98141⋯.png (53.68 KB, 420x420, 1:1, salafipepe.png)


>thinks pagans exist other than LARPing atheists

>mfw jews, christians and muslims all wiped out pagans in their respective areas

9f6256  No.37183


And you've been fooled to abandoning your true purpose and your ethnic group by worshipping satan who wants everyone to be the same under his foot.

000000  No.37354

Is there a place like this one, but more active?

ff4de0  No.37357


Unfortunately, there are no other image boards that have an /islam/. The only place remotely like this that has an active community is r/islam on Reddit, but they're a much more broad community - allowing Quranists and such.

854d76  No.37358


Discord or telegram.

8dec5d  No.37366


No. Stay here and get in on the groundfloor of the community.

854d76  No.37390



f2ebfd  No.37478

File: 60c673bf7578990⋯.jpg (205.66 KB, 900x600, 3:2, Rozehnal.jpg)

Sorry I don't know much about Islam, but I wanted to ask what exactly sufism is? Is sufism just a sect? Is it shiite or sunni? Or what exactly is it?

412983  No.37479

File: 4bc51d34f4da72c⋯.jpeg (37.74 KB, 332x500, 83:125, 5E53C77F-C3A4-44E4-9E72-4….jpeg)



Sufism is a continuum from the Christian-Shia Bektashi to the Hanafi Sunni Deoband.

f317b8  No.37480


It's part of the Sunni tradition and not a separate sect. Here's a short description from https://www.livingislam.org/fiqhi/fiqha_e50.html :

“Religion (al-dîn) is an orchard of which the fence is the Law (al-sharî`a), the inner grove is the Path (al-tarîqa), and the fruit is the Reality (al-haqîqa). Whoever has no Law has no Religion; whoever has no Path has no Law; and whoever has no Reality has no Path … ”

"The way of the Sufis consists in ten items:

(1) The reality of tasawwuf which is defined by truthful self-orientation (sidq al-tawajjuh) to Allah Most High.

(2) The pivot of truthful tawajjuh is to single out the heart and the body for [obedience of] Allah Alone.

(3) Tasawwuf in relation to Dîn is like the soul in relation to the body.

(4) The Sufi examines the factors of perfection and deficiency.

(5) The Jurist examines whatever discharges liability (mâ yusqitu al-haraj) while the scholar of juridical/doctrinal Principles (al-usûlî) examines whatever makes one's faith valid and firmly established. Therefore the Sufi's perspective is more specific than both of theirs, consequently their criticism of him is valid, while his criticism of either of them is invalid. Hence 'the Sufi among Jurists is better than the Jurist among Sufis.'

(6) To display the nobility of tasawwuf, its evidence being both by demonstration and by textual precedent (burhânan wa nassan).

(7) Fiqh [jurisprudence] is the precondition for the validity of tasawwuf and that is why it has precedence over it.

(8) Terminology and its specific applicability to each discipline exclusively of others.

(9) The keys of spiritual opening concerning which there are four rulings: first principles; truthful aspiration towards attainment; longing for spiritual realities; and quitting the guideline of what is transmitted (al-manqûl) once one obtains self-realization (al-tahqîq).

(10) It is a wonderful and strange path built on the permanent following of what is better and best: in doctrines it consists in following the Salaf; in rulings, fiqh; in meritorious deeds (al-fada'il), the scholars of hadith; and in high manners (al-âdâb), all that is conducive to the wholeness of hearts."

Some definitions of tasawwuf:

Tasawwuf: Purification of the self from all that is other than the remembrance and obedience of Allah; the realization of ihsân (excellence); zuhd (asceticism) combined with ma`rifa (knowledge of Allah); the attribute of the Sufi. "Ceasing objection" (al-Su`luki); "Abandoning the world and its people" (Ibn Sam`un). "Tasawwuf is neither knowledge nor deeds but an attribute with which the essence of the Sufi adorns itself, possessing knowledge and deeds, and consisting in the balance in which these two are weighed." (Ibn Khafif)


dude shut up

8dec5d  No.37481


>dude shut up

Not all sufis are sunni. Some sufis are deviant idolators, wine drinkers and pork eaters like the Bektashi. Glossing over this with a copy past is bad faith. Believe me I would prefer this anon not to join the degenerates but im intellectually honest enough to not pretend they dont exist. And yes 99+% of Sufis are sunni but the Bektashi and other freaks do exist.

ff4de0  No.37482


>Is sufism just a sect?

No. Sufism is a form of study.

70701f  No.37485

Non-Muslim here.

How would an islamic society deal with Free-masons (and other similar secret societies)?

ff4de0  No.37486


Technically not permitted; but if they're "secret", then how would anyone know?

70701f  No.37490


>Technically not permitted


450853  No.37492


>If you even so much as mention Shi'a here, it's like some immediate clarion call for people to run screaming into the thread and start demanding Shi'a heads on pikes. It literally sickens me.

I feel you so much, akhi. I've been banned from a Muslim Discord server simply because I said that I hoped Shia and Sunni would make peace, God willing.


>All Muslims - Sunni, Shia, and Ibadi - are welcome here whether you like it or not.


c30846  No.37496

File: d366632b9907cb2⋯.jpeg (151.54 KB, 500x847, 500:847, C5E70DC1-8615-4307-8E1A-6….jpeg)


We had peace.

854d76  No.37536


It's a sunni methodology of purification of the soul. But many sadly call themselves sufi but they are not they are deviant.


christian/shia/bektashi is shirk not the same as sunni hanafi


>How would an islamic society deal with Free-masons (and other similar secret societies)?

this counts as sorcery and the hadd for that is death


t.ID switching isma'ili shill

eebe30  No.37601

File: eda2a62eb4df369⋯.jpeg (291.81 KB, 640x873, 640:873, B82A4797-66CF-451E-991C-7….jpeg)

Why are crosscuck women the softcore version of FEMEN?

>inb4 muh west

Even in Syria they show their breasts as soon as the Sunnis lose social power. This again confirms my thesis that the only reason xian women in muslim lands are less degenerated is because of muslims presence and sway.

f317b8  No.37602


>non-sunnis were oppressed

What retarded assadist propaganda from a garbage news outlet. The minority and extremely sectarian nusayri regime created by france are and have been massacring the Sunni population since the state's inception to brutally subjugate them. There's a reason Sunnis were the ones who rebelled(inb4 some matam-induced braindead sabaite son of mut'ah pigspawn starts talking about some fictional zionist conspiracy after assad gave them the golan heights as a hanukkah gift).

Look at how they shamelessly portray the freaking ruling class and war criminal military nusayris(deceptively re-named by france to alawites) as the oppressed because they (supposedly) couldn't show their tattoos! How mentally retarded is the audience of this paper?

Christian women have never been forced to cover their body, it's not Saudi Arabia where you have to wear an abayah(but not headcovering).

And what does that statement from the "official" in damascus even mean? A person's religion is recorded on official documents and ID in Syria: they've always been asking what religion people were. And if now they say that christian woman go out with their cleavages exposed and nusayris are rocking tattoos of majusi daggers then why would you NOW need to ask for one's religion? It has never been more obvious.

As for Ali(radhi Allahi anhu) then it's a historical fact that he wasn't the Imam after the Prophet(salla Allahu alayhi wa sallam), rather it was Abu Bakr, Umar and then Uthman(radhi Allahu anhum): that's literally not even something you can "consider" differently.

eebe30  No.37603


The Economist is the best news magazine in the world. The article is clear about the injustice to Sunnis. If you want I can copy paste the full article as I am a proud subscriber to The Economist.

t sunni snob who reads the economist.

854d76  No.37604


Basically yeah, same reason why arab christians are less practicing when they come to the west.

854d76  No.37605



854d76  No.37606


parentheses are censored?

8dec5d  No.37607


Fyi The Economist is hated by the altk!ke for being a “pro-Islamic” and “white genocide” newspaper. It’s important to read diverse viewpoints to expand the mind. I used to read The Economist and Dabiq but Dabiq was discontinued.

ff4de0  No.37609


/pol/ memes are haram

8dec5d  No.37611

File: 398c7dc0883ab6e⋯.jpeg (125.28 KB, 714x446, 357:223, 62CEF153-E8CB-4D0C-BF61-5….jpeg)


I am so tired of crosscucks and muslims that kiss crosscuck feet. They are not a real religion anymore, just an umbrella for all non-islamic people to conglomerate and infect one another with their shoddy theology and sick ideas. First Xianity was based on praising Jesus and now it is based on insulting Muhammad.

Jerry Falwell Jr tells kids to get guns to “stop the muslims.”


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a31bdc  No.37613


Here for the non-meme truth. What's the view of conservative Muslims regarding the age of consent?

Also, how do we stop our cultures from fighting and dancing to the tune of the Jew who sets us against each other?

ff4de0  No.37616


>regarding the age of consent

The AoC is determined by the nation in which you live. However, sex before marriage is prohibited, so it's not something you need to worry about.

>how do we stop … the Jew

We start by taking responsibility for our own actions and stop blaming some conspiracy theory involving an imagined global cabal.

8dec5d  No.37617


AoC is meaningless as it implies some roastie’s consent can erase the sin of an illicit encounter.

ba285d  No.37618


>our cultures

What is your culture? I was raised “christian” in the US and the best I can tell American culture is drugs and alcohol, Judeochristian imagery, bastardy, gay marriage, and thoughtless imperialism. Am I wrong?

ba285d  No.37619


Sorry i forgot rap music.

ff4de0  No.37621

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


Ain't nothin' wrong with rap.

f317b8  No.37631


That's an accurate description of cucktianity.

854d76  No.37633


>and Dabiq



As Allah (swt) says :

يا أيها الذين آمنوا لا تتخذوا اليهود والنصارى أولياء بعضهم أولياء بعض ومن يتولهم منكم فإنه منهم إن الله لا يهدي القوم الظالمين



>age of consent

depends on culture


>Also, how do we stop our cultures from fighting and dancing to the tune of the Jew who sets us against each other?

Spread a message of the peace of islam to your fellow citizens.


music is haram pls delete this mods

0ef888  No.37690

File: 637ef5d0a1e27e6⋯.mp4 (509.54 KB, 720x1280, 9:16, Youll get there _27482e25a….mp4)

Is music Haram?

854d76  No.37695

>>37690 Yes

>“[Allaah said to Iblees:] And befool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice (i.e. songs, music, and any other call for Allaah’s disobedience)…” [al-Israa’ 17:64]

It was narrated that Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “And befool them gradually those whom you can among them with your voice” – his voice [the voice of Iblees/Shaytaan] is singing and falsehood. Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This idaafah [possessive or genitive construction, i.e., your voice] serves to make the meaning specific, as with the phrases [translated as] “your cavalry” and “your infantry” [later in the same aayah]. Everyone who speaks in any way that is not obedient to Allaah, everyone who blows into a flute or other woodwind instrument, or who plays any haraam kind of drum, this is the voice of the Shaytaan. Everyone who walks to commit some act of disobedience towards Allaah is part of his [the Shaytaan’s] infantry, and anyone who rides to commit sin is part of his cavalry. This is the view of the Salaf, as Ibn ‘Abi Haatim narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas: his infantry is everyone who walks to disobey Allaah. (Ighaathat al-Lahfaan).

>“Do you then wonder at this recitation (the Qur’aan)?

And you laugh at it and weep not,

Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)”

[al-Najm 53:59-61]

‘Ikrimah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: it was narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas that al-sumood [verbal noun from saamidoon, translated here as “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)”] means “singing”, in the dialect of Himyar; it might be said “Ismidi lanaa” [‘sing for us’ – from the same root as saamidoon/sumood] meaning “ghaniy” [sing]. And he said (may Allaah have mercy on him): When they [the kuffaar] heard the Qur’aan, they would sing, then this aayah was revealed.

Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning) “Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing)” – Sufyaan al-Thawri said, narrating from his father from Ibn ‘Abbaas: (this means) singing. This is Yemeni (dialect): ismad lana means ghan lana [sing to us]. This was also the view of ‘Ikrimah. (Tafseer Ibn Katheer).

>“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah…” [Luqmaan 31:6]

The scholar of the ummah, Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: this means singing. Mujaahid (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). (Tafseer al-Tabari, 21/40).

Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: this aayah was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/451).

ff4de0  No.37696


Depends on who you ask. Some say yes, some say no, some say drums are ok, some say voice is ok, some say instrumentals are ok. Make up your own mind.


Of course, our resident Salafi says yes. No surprise there, though. To the Salafi, literally everything is haram - music, images, voting, disagreeing with Salafi, etc.

8dec5d  No.37697


I think we have a resident khariji not salafi. Salafis allow voting in non-muslim countries.

ff4de0  No.37700


>resident khariji

Well, that does make more sense.

17b2c4  No.37701

File: af5a024c085d5c3⋯.jpeg (70.22 KB, 480x480, 1:1, 25FECEDF-2589-42F2-AA3B-1….jpeg)

ff51cc  No.37702




>guy posts actual daleel

>retorts with nothing except "muh tagfiri salabi khariji"

>"SOMe PeopLE tHink iT'S oKaY, SoME pEOpLe DoN'T, JuSt DO WHAT yOu WANt BRO"

17b2c4  No.37703


>some people

You call ibn uthaimeen, bin baz, and al-albani “some people.”

And that is why you are a khariji dog of hell.

ff51cc  No.37704


>calls other people khawarij

>while casually takfiring people all the time

Clearly not the guy you were slandering earlier. But show us where the shuyookh ibn uthaimeen, bin baz, and al-albani -all three- have explicitely mentioned that music is halal.

17b2c4  No.37705


Im talking about voting in the west. All three of those shuyukh say it is either allowed or wajib. The documentation was posted in the khariji politics thread. And i dont make takfir on anyone you fool, khawarij are still muslim as Ali radiAllahu anhu said “they are our brothers who transgressed us so we fight them for their transgression.” The majority view of the scholars is khawarij are misguided muslims and it is permissible to fight them in defense after they attack the jaamat.

ff51cc  No.37706


>And that is why you are a khariji dog of hell.

Looks like pretty clear takfir to me. Don't see why you feel the need to beat around the bush now and "explain" how you're not what you blame other people of being. Save that explanation for qiyamah when Allah Himself asks you about it.

In my previous comment, I was mainly referring to >>37695 & >>37696

But I guess like you friend @ff4de0 here, you also think that this : >>37621 is completely fine.

Anyways, I still don't see any daleel accompanied with the commentary of any sheikh in your comment. Bring daleel like in this comment here >>37695n with explicite comments from the shuyook you named to prove that voting people to power in order to support man-made legislations that go against the decrees of God, in a democracy is completely fine. Legislations that back things like: the acceptance of gay marriage, "public sexual expression", freedom to mock and slander our religion, etc.

ff4de0  No.37707


>thinks music is haram

>accepts nasheed thread

mmm hmm.

226722  No.37709

17b2c4  No.37710


>Looks like pretty clear takfir to me.

Perhaps sinful muslims like khawarij will be purified in hellfire before coming to Jannah. InshaAllah, I hope so because I know your intentions are good and no muslim is in the fire forever. Allahu ‘alam.

As for the daleel: http://www.muslimworldjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/SalafiScholarsVoting.docx

No point arguing with you as the truth of our ulema is clear from the falsehood of the hotheaded youth. Salaamu alaykum, ramadan mubarak, goodbye.

ff51cc  No.37712

File: a0332bfab3a7450⋯.png (2.24 MB, 1767x1850, 1767:1850, our_representatives.png)


>continues to make assumptions and continues his slander even though he has zero idea about my views

maybe look into a mirror first, before tagging other people as kharijis

>Doesn't post actual proof or daleel

>only a document with copy pasted q&a from some shuyookh

>Only takes the final verdict of these shuyookh but completely brushes away the circumstances and conditions about which these shuyookh spoke about.

>>From the answer of Sheikh Albani : "After being asked general questions pertaining to elections, the last specifically related to local elections, al-Allaamah Nasiruddin al-Albaani said: “Elections emanate from a non-Islamic principle. In fact, they stem from a Zionist principle, namely, the ends justify the means…….Why? Because there is an Islamic principle upon which I have based my answer. If a Muslim is placed between two evils he chooses the lesser of the two evils. There is no doubt that having a Muslim as the president (mayor) of local government is less harmful - and I don't say better - than having a mayor that is a disbeliever or an atheist…….For this reason we differentiate between voting and campaigning. We do not campaign for office because we will burn. As for the Muslim who insists on burning himself, be it mildly or severely, by running for office, then we vote for him as opposed to the disbeliever or the atheist using the principle of repelling the greater evil with the lesser evil…….Yes, however based on the principle, and memorize what I am saying, based on the principle of repelling the greater evil with the lesser evil; not because he is better."

>>From another fatwa : Whoever has an understanding of Islaam, strong faith, Islaamic integrity, farsightedness and eloquence, and is thus able to exert some influence on the direction of the party so that it will take an Islamic direction, may get involved in these parties or with the one which is most likely to be more receptive towards the truth – in the hope that Allaah will benefit others through him and guide whomsoever He wills to give up deviant political trends and follow the just politics of sharee’ah, thus bringing the ummah together on the Straight Path. But he should not follow their deviant principles. Whoever does not have such strong faith and integrity and fears that he may be influenced by them instead of wielding influence, should keep away from those parties, so as to avoid fitnah and to protect his religious commitment from the same fate as they suffered, lest he fall into deviance and corruption as they have done.

And now measure these words against the description of the "muslim mayor of london"

>Aware that many voters were suspicious regarding the loyalties of British Muslims to the British state, Khan emphasised his commitment to liberal social values.[99] As part of this, he declared his opposition to homophobia,[100] and said that he would have "zero tolerance for anti-Semitism".[101]…He also distanced himself from Corbyn,[103] rebuking Labour's socialist leader for his links to armed anti-Israel groups,[104] and criticising him for not singing the national anthem at an event commemorating the Battle of Britain.[105]…

Also, since the comment is beginning to get too long, just refer to the pics.

Is this what you mean when you talk about voting in muslims for the sake of better representation of muslims and establishment of the laws of God?


>Unironically thinks that the rap music he linked is equivalent to nasheeds

ff4de0  No.37713


>only music I personally like is halal

I love the stink of hypocrisy.

ff51cc  No.37714


>hurr, nasheeds are music

>hurr, Islamic nasheeds whose main purpose is to provide Islamic reminders is literally the same as my rap music that promotes degeneracy, henodnism/nihilism/materialism in general

>probably didn't even read what the other guy posted as daleel

Do you think stuff like weed and cigarette is halal as well?

ff4de0  No.37717


I honestly don't care what a hypocrite things. Your opinions are utter trash and will be disregarded no matter how well thought out you think they might be. Also, hypocrite, nasheeds are music by every definition of the word "music". You are a child and I will treat you as such, so you may as well filter my ID now.

ff51cc  No.37718


>still projecting this hard

>still pushing "muh degenerate music == nasheed" meme

>still slandering people while having zero self-awareness

Allah is witness to what you say and what's in your heart. Allah is witness to what I've said and what's in my heart.

وَالَّذِينَ يُؤْذُونَ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ وَالْمُؤْمِنَاتِ بِغَيْرِ مَا اكْتَسَبُوا فَقَدِ احْتَمَلُوا بُهْتَانًا وَإِثْمًا مُّبِينًا

854d76  No.37724


Woah this escalated quickly. It's haram based on sunnah evidence, but I don't know the ibadhi position, you don't have to impose your view on us, seeing as the one who asked the question is probably christian. And voting is shirk I have established that in the politics thread.


Hello madkhali vol, aren't you a supposed salafi? Don't you have the courage to speak your opinion on music and defend the sunni position? Or do you call me khariji to please your boss?


You have no fear of Allah during ramadan? Calling a brother khariji for posting daleel from quran to teach a christian?


And now we complete it with our resident sufi.

Fantastic, ibadhis, madkhalis and sufis are all against me because I post the haqq. Alhamdulillah.


The video that was posted is literal rap tho.

1a3e8e  No.37728


The idea behind nasheeds being allowed is through a loophole in hadith. There are hadith that prohibit all kinds of musical instruments and women singing. That is why nasheeds use male voices singing rhythmically layered over one another, because there is no prohibition for that. So according to the Islamic definition of music, nasheeds are not music.

I could post some of those hadith, but that probably wouldn’t mean that much to you. I think before you go answering questions and making definitive statements, you should at least do some research into what hadith and Islamic teachings may apply to that situation. Earlier in this thread I asked a question relating to agricultural zakat, and you tried to tell me that zakat is only 2.5% of your savings. >>36163 All it would take is one quick google search to tell you that agricultural zakat is subject to different percentages. Imagine if I was an ignorant person that would take your word without looking it up anywhere else, you would be responsible for me not paying the zakat that is due from me.

c596ca  No.37729


“If hell is truly a pit of fire and I get thrown in it, Ima probably regret the fact that I ever wrote this sh*t.” Well that is one true statement. I thought Hopsin was Muslim…did he apostate? He seems to be yelling at and questioning Allah for over half of that “song.”

Quran [21:23] He (Allah) is not questioned about what He does, but they will be questioned.

ff4de0  No.37737


Have you never questioned your faith or been angry at God?

854d76  No.37738


nasheed is not music, since it uses no instruments only voice also it was traditionally reserved for jihad to encourage fighters, also if the brother made a mistake then that does not stop you from searching the evidence yourself


he's ex christian


>angry at God

you have to be pretty autistic to do that

c596ca  No.37745


“Or think you that you will enter Paradise without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? They were afflicted with severe poverty and ailments and were so shaken that even the Messenger and those who believed along with him said, ‘When (will come) the Help of Allah?’ Yes! Certainly, the Help of Allah is near!” Quran [2:214]

The Sahaba RA faced trials and hardship that were greater than anything any of us will probably ever see. They did not get angry at Allah and start screaming at the sky. People living in the west (even those who are not as well off as Hopsin) live better than kings did at the time of the Prophet PBUH. We all have clean water and food, along with all kinds of clothes, entertainment, cars, and luxuries all at our fingertips. The Prophet PBUH said to be happy you should look to those who are less fortunate than you are. Look at the people living in Yemen today. They are starving in a Cholera infested warzone…they aren’t living like kings and yelling at Allah about their emotional problems.

4ec29e  No.37756



The sahaba sang anasheed. The most famous is from the ansar in Medina - Tala al badru alayna. I hope you understand that anasheed are literally part of Islamic practice.

1a3e8e  No.37757


>Ain't nothin' wrong with rap.

There are several things wrong with a man publishing a video in the middle of Ramadan 2014 expressing open anger towards Allah and questioning his existence. How can you not see this.


>I love the stink of hypocrisy.

You are never going to find a nasheed that says anything even CLOSE to the things said in that rap video. Saying they are similar is beyond nonsense.

854d76  No.37759


>Saying they are similar is beyond nonsense.

It's like comparing prostitution to nikah.

Or shura to democracy.

df9e4a  No.37805

File: 13374e3c559d821⋯.jpg (71.93 KB, 933x935, 933:935, DuXr43zWwAAqODb.jpg)

Eid Mubarak

I'm a new Muslim, a couple of days my friend told me about how you can't really coherently translate from Arabic to English specially when it comes to the Qur'an

I wanted to ask him if he could point me out to some good and bad translations (because I feel like that's going help me understand better) but sadly he's offline for another week, could you guys help me?

(and if you could point me to where they differ in a verse)

Thanks in advance

f453f8  No.37806


If you go to quran.com you can compare several English interpretations.

854d76  No.37811


Most complete translation compilation I know.


Compare a couple of them and you should get the idea.

25532d  No.37833

File: 86b7fe03b8abf00⋯.png (2.62 MB, 1334x750, 667:375, 034ED282-3928-490B-81C6-5E….png)

File: aa5dbb8ec0a4998⋯.png (2.54 MB, 1334x750, 667:375, 41E1129C-A8D4-4B5E-8489-39….png)

Is there an Arabic word for the negative/black magic which contaminates modern Judaism? I know it’s a real concept.

8dec5d  No.37834

25532d  No.37835


Thanks bro.

f6c013  No.37937

I’m sort of in a period of not sure exactly what I believe. I’m exploring religions. However Islam has sort of pulled me towards it. I was wonder if anyone had an Islamic prayer to ask Allah for guidance/faith.

1a3e8e  No.37942

File: 06652b3755eaa35⋯.png (84.94 KB, 463x653, 463:653, 001.png)

854d76  No.37964


al fatiha

000000  No.38219


I recently stopped playing games and watching series, as I saw that it was doing nothing but wasting my time.

However, after I did so, I just felt bad and bored.

What do you guys do to pass the team meaningfully?

I already read and work out, and I'm not yet married. So I am kind of at a loss.

6cca8a  No.38220

File: 765ecccfa87f904⋯.jpeg (83.02 KB, 650x488, 325:244, 8CECDD64-16F7-4E73-9E57-7….jpeg)


Stocks, hunting, chess. You should also volunteer with Islamic orgs, for the rewards and iman turbocharge and it is a great way to find a sister with a big heart and propose to her, then take her hunting and get that halal venison.

854d76  No.38222




Not allowed. And delete that picture mods.

854d76  No.38223


Learn Islam, sciences, go outside, volunteer as masjid.

6cca8a  No.38225

File: ac5932a34c5ad2f⋯.gif (2.41 MB, 390x277, 390:277, 95A28D5B-0ADE-4C12-B755-21….gif)

ca4b5c  No.38226


No request you ever make will be fulfilled. If you hate everything here, why don't you leave?

ca4b5c  No.38227


There are literally millions of hobbies you can take up, though there's nothing wrong with playing games or watching movies/TV. Only crazy salafi will tell you otherwise.

6cca8a  No.38228



I value his opinion and as long as he lives by it, ie not a hypocrite, he is welcome here. We all agree on the five pillars and shouldn’t divide ourselves over tertiary matters on this board but rather accept or debate eachother.

6cca8a  No.38229

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Please do not impoverish yourself. Stocks can be a good way to build wealth. Investing in business ventures is something Prophet and sahaba took part in. There are also shariah compliant investing firms like Wahed that maintain scholars and choose halal investments.

a2b373  No.38230


Now is probably not a good time to put money into the markets. It would be better to invest in silver and possibly gold. A big market correction could be imminent, almost certainly during Trump's second term. He will be a convenient fall guy for the crash, even though it will have little to do with him. The 2008 crisis never got fixed, only postponed to be later and much worse. It is in the nature of usury to destroy wealth. The usury in our economic model is systemic.

a2b373  No.38231


>a picture of a woman fully covered wearing a hijab that isn’t even trying to take a ‘le cute selfie’ or similar behavior


6cca8a  No.38233


I agree in the middle term but someone with a tight stop-loss or a multi-decade time horizon should be fine. Selling iron condors and using the premium to buy puts is always a good hedge against a potential flat or falling market.

>It would be better to invest in silver and possibly gold

I like to hold miners instead of just the metals because it tracks the metal price but also pays a dividend.

a2b373  No.38234


I only hold stocks because trading with options is similar to futures. The Prophet PBUH prohibited buying/trading for things that aren’t in existence yet or where their amount or condition is not certain…IE he prohibited people from selling their next years crop of dates etc. That is very similar to options/futures, also there are hadith that make it seem like trading currencies for profit is also prohibited. I don’t think that all stock purchases are haram, but you need to be very careful not to buy into companies that do any kind of haram dealings.

I am going to get out of the market as soon as an opportunity presents itself (within the next year or so) and then probably buy some more physical silver with it. Silver mining stocks should do well if there is a crash, since their profit margins will go way up when the price of silver goes up. I have also been collecting copper pennies (US pre 1982) since they are worth more than 2 cents in copper value, and they will always hold their value (unlike paper currency). Paper currencies have the tendency to be devalued until they are worth their weight in scrap paper.

6cca8a  No.38235


I’ve come to hold the view that speculating with options is haram but hedging is desirable. I’d only buy calls to hedge a short position or puts to hedge a long position. If I really like a stock for the long haul but think it might take a hit in the short term I will get puts on it, then sell the puts when they spike and add to my position on the dip. Have you read Nicholas Nassim Taleb? He is a deranged Arab trini and each of his books is progressively more anti-Sunni but his hedging strategies and economic views are notable. Also, George Soros’ book the Alchemy of Finance was great.

a2b373  No.38236


I haven’t read any of those. Right now I am reading books about the coming crises that are likely to arise within the next couple decades. The Long Emergency by James Howard Kunstler, Dmitry Orlov’s The Five Stages of Collapse etc. They offer a pessimist’s perspective on long term investment.

I am suspicious of the Wahed investment group. Yasir Qadhi started a series called something like “Islamic investing education” and all it was was a commercial for Wahed. He said that researching what types of investments are allowed is really hard. You can either become a scholar yourself, or just give us your money and we will make all the right Islamically correct investment decisions for you and just take a small fee for doing it.

I doubt any of their investment people make any mention of the kind of “peak bubble” stage we are at and how 95% of the people that invest in the stock market lose money. It isn’t hard to read the books of ‘business’ or ‘transactions’ in Sahih Muslim, Sahih Bukhari, Abu-Dawud, At-Tirmidhi yourself and try to base investment strategies around them.

854d76  No.38237


I don't care if he refuses, the sin is on his neck. Oh and us "salafis" keep this board alive so show some respect new friend.




How is it shariah compliant, as far as I know they use loop holes. Increase rates and just slap a halal sticker on it.


What is the benefit of posting such a picture? Do you think her husband would like that? A woman should not be exposed randomly on the internet especially not here where crazy /pol/acks lurk and could dox her.

854d76  No.38238


>It isn’t hard to read the books of ‘business’ or ‘transactions’ in Sahih Muslim, Sahih Bukhari, Abu-Dawud, At-Tirmidhi yourself and try to base investment strategies around them.


8dec5d  No.38240


She was featured in newspapers using hunting to give dawah and she is single mother, i dont know what happen to the husband.

82bed5  No.38241

Unpopular opinion:

I interpret riba to be prohibited on real money like gold and silver. But charging riba on fiat currency usually just BARELY counteracts the inflation from the jew bankers printing the money. So there is no problem for a muslim to hold treasury bills since the interest paid on them is literally break even with the jewflation.

Flame on.

854d76  No.38242


>1 post by this ID


82bed5  No.38243


>refusing to accept 3% payment for holding currency when the currency is intentionally debased by 3% every year

f317b8  No.38244


Perhaps you're right. One could also consider the hanafi stance.

ca4b5c  No.38245




>posts le happy merchant

Nobody wants you here, /pol/.

82bed5  No.38246

File: b8c559ac01ce317⋯.jpeg (61.95 KB, 640x200, 16:5, B0167234-3D9E-4EAA-BD4E-C….jpeg)


Hanafi Madhab <3

82bed5  No.38247


Hanafi madhab is so practical and useful today because it developed in societies that had more interaction with kufaar than other madahab. I see myself increasingly agreeing with hanafi school more and more it makes sense to me. Other madahab definitely appear more isolated and less complex in matters related to kuffar.

854d76  No.38248


this is the logic of mutazilites, its like saying I get scammed so its halal to scam others, muslims should not hold kaffir currency in the first place, use your money to stock up on real money such as gold and silver


riba is still riba be ready for a war against Allah (SWT) hint you will lose

a2b373  No.38249


Do you think that zina becomes halal as soon as you are inside a whorehouse? Just because all the currencies are becoming devalued doesn’t mean you get to collect interest or stop paying zakat. If you think that is the case, you are delusional.

O you who believe! Fear Allaah and give up what remains (due to you) from Ribaa (from now onward) if you are (really) believers. And if you do not do it, then take a notice of war from Allah and His Messenger but if you repent, you shall have your capital sums. Deal not unjustly (by asking more than your capital sums), and you shall not be dealt with unjustly (by receiving less than your capital sums) [Quran 2:278]

The Prophet PBUH cursed the one who consumes riba and the one who pays it. The Prophet PBUH said: “A dirham which a man consumes as riba knowingly is worse before Allah than thirty-six acts of zina.” And he said: “There are seventy-two types of riba, the least of which is like a man committing incest with his mother.”

854d76  No.38250


I checked your source. It says:

>The view of Imam Abu Hanifah (RA) and other past juries was that interest transactions with non-Muslims in Darul Harb are permissible. (See Hidiyah p.86 v.3)

>HOWEVER, the majority of the scholars of the Hanafi Fiqh have retracted from this position of Imam Abu Hanifah (RA). The reason for this is so that the severity of interest and riba remain in the hearts of the Muslims. (Ahsanul Fatawa p.20 v.7 & Kifayatul Mufti p.77 v.8)

Very sad that you tried to cut the rest and deceive us, as we know Abu Hanifah (ra) is just a human and can make mistakes. This is very dishonest of you to cut off the part that refutes you.

a2b373  No.38251


Even kufar have written volumes of books on the negative effects of usury. Countries all over have placed serious restrictions on charging interest several times during the past. In the middle ages in England, charging interest on loans was punishable by death.

82bed5  No.38252


>Do you think that zina becomes halal as soon as you are inside a whorehouse?

More complicated than that crude reduction. The hadith used my the imam is that there is no riba between a muslim and a harbi. So instead of saying “no zina in a brothel” it is more like saying “no zina with ma malakat aymanukum.”


>use your money to stock up on real money such as gold and silver

My emergency fund is gold (GLDM) and my vacation savings is silver (SLV).

f317b8  No.38253



Abu Hanifah's(rh) position is more nuanced than that, give the man some credit. He who it concerns should do his own research, and consider what is beneficial to him in his context.

82bed5  No.38254


>give the man some credit

Credit is haram, ahk. Mods delete this post.

a2b373  No.38255


You have money to take vacations, and you complain that you need to take money from interest, because the value of your paper money is decreasing due to inflation. Most of the world lives on less than one dollar a day. Maybe you should compare your situation to those that are less fortunate.



There are MANY, MANY hadith and verses from the Quran that state irrefutably that all forms of interest and usury are prohibited. Abu Hanifah, Imam Shafi, Imam Hanballi, and Imam Malik did not have access to the volume of Sahih hadith that are available to us in this day and age. They each had access to different hadith…some of the hadith they knew of they might consider weak, but that same hadith with the exact same meaning could have been related with a stronger chain of narrators, making it Sahih…but they never heard of it in their lifetime. That is why Imam Shafi RA said, ‘Every hadith on the authority of the Prophet PBUH is also my view, even if you do not hear it from me’.

I do not want to argue about the principles of clinging to the opinions of certain scholars that happen to make the things that you want to do in life permissible. If you are arguing about when and where you think it is okay to deal in interest, you have serious problems. You are ignoring mountains of evidence.

f317b8  No.38256



I'm just saying it can be considered, and it's up to the person to do his research. That's it.

>Abu Hanifah, Imam Shafi, Imam Hanballi, and Imam Malik did not have access to the volume of Sahih hadith that are available to us in this day and age.

that's a questionable claim for sure, but a different topic.

ca4b5c  No.38257

File: 37d31d48e779324⋯.jpg (17.7 KB, 257x283, 257:283, hard laugh.jpg)

a2b373  No.38258


>that's a questionable claim for sure

I’m sure they could just log on to the internet and download Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, At-Tirmidhi, Abu-Dawud, An-Nasai, Ibn Majah, Malik’s Muwatta, and other books of hadith. Then they could just call or skype a scholar that was a thousand miles away and ask them their opinions about certain narrators. It’s not like they had to travel for months riding on camels and horses to get from place to place or didn’t have access to paper and the printing press.

f317b8  No.38259


The Imams in question spent their entire lives interacting directly with the tab'ieen. I think it's safe to say they had a better understanding of the Sunnah than amateur scholars today.


Lol good one. Ignore my previous post in reply to you, I only realized you were joking shortly after I posted it already as I didn't read your citation.

a2b373  No.38260


I’m not saying that they didn’t have a better understanding of the Sunnah. I am saying that there are Sahih hadith that each one of them never heard of. Some of their opinions could have been brilliantly formulated based upon the information that they had available to them …but if they heard a hadith from questionable narrators, they would consider it weak…even if hundreds of miles away people knew that same hadith from a different chain of narrators that made it Sahih. Then they would disregard that hadith when they made their rulings, even though it was Sahih from a different chain, and if they knew that they could have ruled differently.

82bed5  No.38261

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Don’t you understand niyyah? What if I take ribbah from the rich kuffar ans give it to the masakeen muslimeen? Reflect before responding.

854d76  No.38262


Provide evidence niyyah allows you to do anything you wish? My niyyah is to make more muslim babies so it's ok if I do zina and impregnate women ok!

8dec5d  No.38266



In Islam actions are judged by Allah according to the actual sincere intentions. So yes if someone does the wrong thing but it has true good intention they will be rewarded for it by Allah. Now in your example the hadd punishment would still be applied because we judge only by actions since only Allah knows the intentions. And I will use this moment to point out there is a hadd punishment for zina but not taking riba; so even if a muslim was taking riba in an islamic state this would call for a tazeer punishment - if any punishment.

a2b373  No.38267


That is not a means of income that is allowed. It doesn’t matter if you do something good with that money and have good intentions for doing it. Normally when a Muslim is forced to take interest by having their money in a bank account that automatically earns it, they give that amount away as charity so they don’t use that money. Having money in banks is necessary for many things and is unavoidable. That is very different from intentionally trying to earn interest by different means and then using that money.


Again, there are are just a couple of the hadith that say taking riba is a far worse sin than zina. Hadd punishments are expiations so that the person will not be punished for those crimes in the hereafter. Just because there are no hadd punishments for taking riba doesn’t mean that it isn’t an extremely serious matter. If you are going to ignore statements like these and take riba anyway, you are a fool and you will not be able to say that you ‘didn’t know’ and had ‘good intentions.’

The Prophet PBUH cursed the one who consumes riba and the one who pays it. The Prophet PBUH said: “A dirham which a man consumes as riba knowingly is worse before Allah than thirty-six acts of zina.” And he said: “There are seventy-two types of riba, the least of which is like a man committing incest with his mother.”

854d76  No.38268


riba is worst than having s*x with your own mother

>The Prophet PBUH said: “A dirham which a man consumes as riba knowingly is worse before Allah than thirty-six acts of zina.” And he said: “There are seventy-two types of riba, the least of which is like a man committing incest with his mother.”

f317b8  No.38273


That hadith is of questionable authenticity and many scholars reject it.

a2b373  No.38275


>many scholars

I suppose if you consider people like the Mutazila as ‘scholars’ this statement might be true. They like to dismiss many Sahih hadeeth for all kinds of reasons (none of which make sense). These hadith are all graded as Sahih.

And it was proven that the Prophet PBUH cursed the one who consumes riba and the one who pays it. [Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5962.]

The Prophet PBUH said: “A dirham which a man consumes as riba knowingly is worse before Allah than thirty-six acts of zina.”

[classed as Sahih by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 3375]

The Prophet PBUH said: “There are seventy-two types of riba, the least of which is like a man committing incest with his mother.”

[classed as Sahih by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 3537]

f317b8  No.38276


>I suppose if you consider people like the Mutazila as ‘scholars’ this statement might be true.

Darn you exposed me! Because the scholars in question include none other than the infamous arch-Mu'tazili propaganda outlet IslamQA: https://islamqa.info/ar/answers/245543/%D9%87%D9%84-%D8%AF%D8%B1%D9%87%D9%85-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%A8%D8%A7-%D8%A7%D8%B4%D8%AF-%D9%85%D9%86-%D8%B3%D8%AA-%D9%88%D8%AB%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%AB%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%B2%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A9

>These hadith are all graded as Sahih.

greater authorities have classed it as not sahih, like ibnul-Jawzi(see link above).

5f6428  No.38277



This hadith was discussed by the hanbali brother Jonathan Brown in his book “Misquoting Muhammad.” My take-away was that it is figurative language and should not be taken literally.

a2b373  No.38278


That is quite the link. I am also getting those Sahih hadith from IslamQA.


This is beside the point. We are arguing about ‘how bad is riba.’ The hadith I quoted say it is ridiculously bad, pretty much off the scale. You don’t want to accept those? Okay. Then look at the dozens and dozens of hadith that say that riba is in fact very bad, and is prohibited. I doubt you will be able to find a single Sahih hadith that says that riba is allowed, under any circumstances.

You have the OPINION of Abu Hanifah that says that riba transactions with non-Muslims in Darul Harb are permissible (which later was disputed by the Hanifis themselves.) When you put your money into modern money markets or banks, they indirectly affect EVERYONE that does business (direct or indirect) with those institutions. That will unboubtably include some Muslims, so even in that case, Abu Hanifah’s opinion does not apply to those situations.

a2b373  No.38279


When you earn interest, it is supposed to come from people that have borrowed money. They borrow money and have to pay the principle plus an extra amount back. Some of that extra amount goes to the people that give their money to the borrower for safe keeping (IE Banks).

Interest effectively is a tax on poor people. It is very hard to pay back loans and get ahead when you are poor. The lenders then give this money stolen from the poor to the people who do have money and are not spending it. In a kind of ‘reverse Robin Hood on crack’ sort of way. There is so much that has been written about the negative effects that usury has on society, it is more than any one person could read in a lifetime.

5f6428  No.38280


We all know how bad riba is. The question is where to draw the line. It’s pretty clear that you think you can have your cake and eat it too: get paid in fiat money, spend fiat money but be free from riba because you buy some shiny. I could make the argument that even touching fiat money is haram since it the value of the currency is totally dependent on the Riba-rate decided by the federal reserve bankers. The point is not to make and win arguments it is to reduce harm, not use the religion as a burden to self-sabotage our communities, and benefit the muslims and no matter what we all hate riba in our heart.

5f6428  No.38281


>(which later was disputed by the Hanifis themselves.)

Just a reminder we are not crossworshippers who believe in evolving theology ie that the religion gets better overtime. We know it gets worse, we know the earlier scholars were better informed, the earlier generations were more knowledgeable.

f317b8  No.38282


>I am also getting those Sahih hadith from IslamQA.

The link I posted is to a latter fatwa and specifically deals with the inauthenticity of that hadith, whereas in your link he just posts the hadith without commenting on it.

>You have the OPINION of Abu Hanifah

I never said that was my opinion. But either way, your have the OPINION of al-Albani that the hadith you cited is authentic. The difference between you and a scholar is that the letter will have studied the entire scope of material available on a topic and then make a conclusion, whereas you come across a couple of hadiths and then prematurely make a conclusion, or alternatively, you yourself rely on the OPINION of a scholar as well, one most likely less qualified than Abu Hanifah.

854d76  No.38287


Question boils down to : Why do you want to consume riba? Are you that greedy? If you fear inflation just buy gold.

a2b373  No.38291


The entire scope of material says that riba is haram, whether you are paying it or receiving it. Supplementary material suggests that receiving it is worse. When there are multiple Sahih hadith that contradict what a notable scholar from the past says, it is very possible that that scholar did not have access to that information and made a mistake.

Shafais believe when you touch a woman in any way it breaks your wudu. Some Shafais renounce their madhhab when they go for Hajj, because it would be almost impossible to make tawaf without contacting some woman. There are Sahih hadith that say the Prophet PBUH kissed and made contact with his wives and then prayed without making wudu afterwards. Does that mean that Imam Shafai wasn’t a great scholar? Of course not. It means he didn’t have access to those hadith, or didn’t think they were Sahih. That is why there are problems with following a certain madhhab without making exceptions.

f317b8  No.38297


>It means he didn’t have access to those hadith, or didn’t think they were Sahih.

Actually there are more possibilities than that.

>That is why there are problems with following a certain madhhab without making exceptions.

when do you make exceptions in following al-Albani's hadith gradings?

a2b373  No.38299


Forget about ‘how bad’ riba is. It is haram. If you want to take money that is made from usury, you are going to regret it on the Day of Resurrection.

a2b373  No.38306


Usury is like radioactive sh*t. These days it is everywhere, and you are given it without even asking for it. You can sit next to the radioactive sh*t and give it away whenever it gets thrown on you. You can also stick your finger in the radioactive sh*t or eat the radioactive sh*t (doing either of these isn’t a good idea). Usury is the main reason that all currencies are becoming devalued. We aren’t on the gold standard anymore. Banks have to keep creating more and more debt to keep the system afloat, until it collapses, like a house of cards that has to have more cards constantly added to keep it standing.

Some places have even started doing negative interest rates. That means they are so desperate to keep making more debt that they will pay you to take it. People with savings accounts would have their principle decrease over time instead of increase, to finance the people that go into debt. Having cash would prevent the bank from taking a percentage of money from you, so they would probably want to phase out cash so you have to keep your money in the bank.

854d76  No.38312

Said the truthful prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) :

>Narrated by Ibn Isa, and recorded in Abu-Dawood Hadith #3325

>“There will come a time when you will not be able to find a single person in the world who will not be consuming riba. And if anyone claims that he is not consuming riba then surely the dust of riba will reach him.”

We are indeed in that time, but in no way shape or form, does this justify taking riba, we should minimize the influence of riba on our wealth as much as possible, although it will be impossible to get rid of it 100% as this is fiat demonic money.

88041d  No.38321


If the ends justify the means (which they don't in Islam) then shouldn't we start killong babies so they enter jannah?

e2d8ba  No.38322

File: f54e10c3d9b348d⋯.png (2.09 MB, 1280x2075, 256:415, 16.png)

this is not a question, but a special request for those willing to help

from youtube/fb comments to the threads solely dedicated to anti-islam,on here and on halfchan, i've noticed some kind of patterns. almost as if it's one small group of people who wrote the big loads of misinformation about Islam that fits their narrative, then spread it everywhere

what i need help with is as follows;;

storing every anti-islam information that is consistenly used(starting from the 8/pol/ thread), providing where and why it's wrong(mostly out of context; contradictory to their beliefs e.g the lgbtq treatment), arranging everything into sections relative to the main subject of the hateful speech(pedophilia accusations, rape, murder, terrorism, slavery etc.) and finally, spreading it.

it's every muslim's duty to defend our religion from liars and shills.

f317b8  No.38323


The tl;dr of that picture is just "Muslims are different and we need to kill them". Note how he cherry-picks a verse from the bible as a representation of christianity, instead of the actual history of christians and the church, which has been nothing but murder and lying. Even now he still thinks infidels should be murdered, of course, he uses the term "terrorists" instead, and instead of "gospel of christ" it's "democracy" that needs to be spread by mass murder.

He cited no proof for why "Muslims are more prone to violence than christians". Historical facts and present show that to be false. Theologically? His argument is even more pathetic:

First of all, saying the OT doesn't count anymore doesn't change their belief that God/Jesus ordered mass murders. Secondly, the NT itself says Jesus will come back and commit mass murder, and this is what christians believe as well. Thirdly, the pope can receive inspiration from God to make up new ruling or issue new crusades.

The sources he cites also say nothing of value at all. Like "These people saw these other people as barbarians" or "Muslims blame USA for USA bombing iraq". Like, no ☻? High schoolers can write more meaningful reflections.

Those threads are not theological arguments in any way: he doesn't argue why Islam is false and cucktianity right. Rather those threads are just to rile /pol/cucks up for the race war they dream about. So any response need to keep this in mind. You're not responding to a theological argument, you're responding to someone saying they're preparing to murder you.

ae6b7d  No.38324


Every one of those anti-Islam arguments predates the internet by generations. The best way to deal with such ignorance is to not respond at all. They're not going to believe you and will just shout "taqiyyah" at everything you say.

It is every Muslim's duty to defend Islam from attackers, not from mindless YouTube comments.

e50a29  No.38325

Can someone please show me some actual Arabic handwriting?

e2d8ba  No.38326



I'm not willing to respond to any of those. It's indeed an absolutely absurd task to complete.

I thought about, first, spreading the idea that we should do something about this, then trying to provide as much material(where the lies are etc.) as possible to fight back. islam(values) is dying in the middle east and even more seriously in north-africa. If we provide a cause to defend, it would not only hold back the enemy, but get back people to the straight path after realising how the west is leading them astray.

I'm really motivated and I hate just watching and ignoring things like that. Apparently no one is even trying


You mean Islamic Calligraphy/khatt Islami, or just simple arabic? It wouldn't bother me teaching anybody here how to write/spell correctly words in Arabic

e50a29  No.38327


Nevermind, I just went on Jewgle and searched up "Arabic handwriting" and found what I was looking for; the extremely perfect Arabic cursive we see when typed on a computer makes it all look more complicated than it really is.

83b39e  No.38328

File: 480a4550ca5028e⋯.jpeg (174.34 KB, 470x512, 235:256, 3745E314-674F-4F4F-AACC-1….jpeg)


>im a philosophy and theology major

f317b8  No.38329

Example of a popular, professional evangelical conman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0ffL1iLGEM

a2b373  No.38331

File: 6d4c742d7ce58e4⋯.png (76.05 KB, 521x667, 521:667, TOC.png)

File: 09f4b1fb38bc6eb⋯.pdf (1.31 MB, A Compendium Of Answers To….pdf)


You mean something like this? There might be a second volume by now, I’m not sure.

f317b8  No.38332



There are of course other websites as well. Answering christianity has done great work for example.

But keep in mind you're dealing with organized crime from the cerberus gang, who feel no shame in being caught lying. Their modus operandi is to essentially mass-produce conmen churning out lies around the clock so that by the time one lie has been exposed, they've put 10 new ones in circulation.

e50a29  No.38334

Is circumcision a thing in Islam and if I convert will I have to be circumcised?

83b39e  No.38338


Bassam Zawadi’s site is very good too.


Sometimes instead of identifying myself as a muslim on /pol/ if someone makes a smart point that is in line with our overall views I will angrily accuse them of being muslim. ;-) i dont have the energy to be a fulltime e-daee.

But we should start linking to active 4/pol/ threads about Islam if a brother from here could use backup against the dogpile.

4c7b9e  No.38339


You already asked this question and it was answered. >>32994

cedc9f  No.38340


What I don't understand is how most of 8/pol/(reason I'm here, Alhamdulilllah) are pretty redpilled on every subject, yet seem to have a bias only against Islam. It's the only occasion when they just go full normie hating and insulting and ignore the facts.

It's probably because their main concern is how middle-easterners are the most representatives of "the replacement", IDK really.

ca4b5c  No.38341




top kek, m8. /pol/ is the single most hive-mind collective to ever to exist on the internet. They think they're individualist critical thinkers, but they're really just the Borg. They even have their own version of newspeak. /pol/ swallowed its own blue pill and exists only in a simulation designed solely to pat itself on the back.

cedc9f  No.38342


Alright, are there any specific subjects I should be more careful with?

I don't know what else to browse other than 8/pol/ and /islam/ when I have the time for such things

And honestly, chans overall improved my life.

a2b373  No.38343


Their idea of being ‘redpilled’ means that they have already discovered the hidden secret truth about everything. If any information contradicts their beliefs that means it has to be lies planted by Jewish shills that work around the clock to keep them from learning the truth. /pol/ might me right about a couple of things here and there…but knowing how they mindlessly repeat obvious falsehoods without doing any fact-checking means you can’t take anything from /pol/ at face value.

83b39e  No.38344

File: f2061b7a023efa2⋯.jpeg (83.35 KB, 500x557, 500:557, 71981199-6B9A-42FA-9E2B-0….jpeg)


8/pol/ is a lost cause and will ban and delete you if muslim. Go to 4/pol/ instead; there are many muslims and sometimes we even dominate threads.

a2b373  No.38345

Try looking at it a different way. Like if you see a comment saying ‘Islam encourages bestiality and necrophilia’, you could easily refute that absurd statement with evidence, but responding to all of those kinds of comments would waste a lot of your time.

Just imagine if someone who knew nothing of Islam saw that comment, they would want to check to see if it was true, because it is so obscene. After one quick google search they find that not only is it a lie, but it is the exact opposite of the truth. After seeing that they will wonder what other lies have they heard people saying about Islam. They will want to learn about Islam themselves, since they obviously can’t trust what other people say. After that maybe they will read the Quran and become Muslim as a direct result of the ridiculous lies people spread about Islam.

83b39e  No.38346


Exactly. I was anti-Islam and had an arrest warrant for me in Australia for hate speech after I made a video with Combat-18 during the Cronulla Riots that is still on Youtube. I was hardcore neonazi and then I realized the claims about Islam were laughably false and became the type of NatSoc that says “i like muslims in muslim countries.” Then I realized later that Islam was hated by all the right people, it seemed to unite the worst of humanity - their one common denominator was HATRED for Islam!

000000  No.38348


>/pol/ is "redpilled"

Considering that they're unable to fix what's wrong with their society, and just point fingers at the nearest Jew I would disagree.

Certainly, they hate homosexuality and the destruction of the family unit among other things, but those things are only the visual representation of a society that's dying. Any person with half a brain would be able to figure out that said things are bad for the continuation of a society.

The fact that they worship Tarrant is another good example that they're truly misguided. Image thinking that killing people that have nothing to do with the decline of your nation is progress.

They're unable to understand why their nations are declining, they're unable to understand who are behind it, and ONLY focus on the visual representations of their dying nations.

>bias against Islam

They worship their own asses, without any clear indication of principles and morals. So of course they would hate Islam.

You assume their behavior is based on logic, but it's based on their heritage and passions.

If Islam would have it's origin in Europe they would prolly love it.


>I don't know what else to browse other than 8/pol/ and /islam/ when I have the time for such things. And honestly, chans overall improved my life.

Chans are useful for shaking awake a person that's been completely preoccupied with their worldly life. Since you're already aware, you should try to read more and create clear principles that would improve your life even more.

I would stick to browsing /islam/, and chans that revolve around a hobby, such as /k/, /lit/ or /tg/.


Honestly, devoted Muslims in my area led me to Islam.

It's extremely important to lead by example.

83b39e  No.38349


Watchout for /k/, they are just /pol/ for neets that buy a Leatherman and some MilSurp.

854d76  No.38356


/pol/cucks are retarded and edgy on purpose, they know their ideology of white ethno nationalism and white genocide conspiracy will not and are not being taken seriously, so they down grade to moderating their tone and changing their goals, trying to make it a step by step process, many of the so called civic nationalists youtubers are poltards, they are doing a type of nazi taqiyya, where they need to pretend to only hate muslims, not for race but only religion, and they only want legal migrants, because nobody would accept hating others for their skin color. And those images they make are equally absurd, they have no mainstream traction, only fringe cult like followings of pro israel anti islam groups like geller or spencer. Basically nobody takes pol seriously or their "refutations". These are the same ppl who think jews force white women to copulate with black men to make them prefer larger genitals, instead of just admitting they are pathetic excuses for being beta.

01f8fd  No.38359


really? what is the reason or benefit of thinking Ali is God

a god or THE God?

854d76  No.38360


it was a fringe cult founded by ibn nusayr who claimed to be a representative of the 12th imam while hes hidden, this cult of making Ali the god goes back to ibn saba.

83b39e  No.38361


Usually shirk just “feels good”. I mean, look at the twists and turns Xian doctrine has taken. A trini today will look you straight in the face and say his church knows more about God than Jesus’ disciples because “holy mysteries” like “the trinity” were “gradually revealed over generations by the holy ghost.” It’s all the same, it’s all garbage.

a65ca3  No.38376

What is different about Omani Islam and why are Kurds and Sunnis in constant hate

ca4b5c  No.38377


>Omani Islam

You mean Ibadism? It's not much different from Sunni Islam except Ibadi reject primogeniture succession of the Quraysh and, instead, believe in electing a leader from the righteous people. Right now, in Oman, that's Grand Mufti Ahmed bin Hamad al-Khalili.

>Kurds and Sunnis in constant hate

You may as well ask why the sun shines or the flowers bloom. It is because it is. Kurds are primarily Sunni, so it's not a Kurd vs Sunni thing; but rather a political division because Kurdistan recognizes Zoroastrianism, Yarsanism, Yazidism, and Alevism.

f317b8  No.38378


The Grand Mufti rules Oman?

ca4b5c  No.38379


No, Oman itself is an absolute monarchy, run by Sultan Qaboos bin Said al Said. The Grand Mufti is the religious leader and issues fatwas concerning Ibadi Muslims, etc.

dfc0a1  No.38382


The Ibadis also reject Ali and Uthman RA as well as fate afaik

ca4b5c  No.38384


Only the second half of Ali and Uthman's reigns and disapprove of Aisha's rebellion. From the Wiki:


b2f400  No.38386


omani islam i.e ibhadi islam are the remnants of the khawarij, they were killed until the most weak of them gave up and moderated their tone, giving birth to the ibhadi sect, which still hate Ali (ra) and Uthman (ra)

kurds are sunnis and there is no such hate, only the media makes it look so because USA has an interest in dividing muslim lands based on ethnicity

c570bf  No.38388


>the ibhadi sect, which still hate Ali (ra) and Uthman (ra)


No, we don't. We disagree with the 2nd half of the Caliphates, but since both men are long dead it's literally impossible to hate them.

Stop spreading Wahabbi lies.

a2b373  No.38391


So during Ibhadi khutbahs and lectures, is there more emphasis placed on talking about what went wrong during Islamic history than is placed on talking about other things?

4c7b9e  No.38393


There are a wide variety of topics without any specific emphasis unless there's a specific issue needing special consideration.

ab018f  No.38400


In theory

ab018f  No.38401


>we don't hate them

What do you believe about the guy that commanded his follower to murder Maula Ali RA

bd3020  No.38402


Personally? I disagree with the command, but it was 1400 years ago and crying about it now won't do a damn thing to change it. It's part of history, interesting to study, but has little bearing on today's world.

f317b8  No.38403


Why would it be impossible to hate someone who has passed away?

c570bf  No.38404


Hmm … I suppose I should have said "virtually" instead of "literally". I suppose it is possible, but what good would come of it? The dead don't care what we think, so you'd only be hurting yourself. Hatred never matters to the person you hate, it merely suffocates you.

ab018f  No.38405


But what do you think of the man who not only made takfir on but also ordered the killing of the Prophet PBUH's cousin and son in law as well as the man he declared our Maula?

Answer the question instead of going on a rant about how the sahabah are irrelevant

c570bf  No.38406


>Answer the question

… I did answer the question. The answer was a very simple, "I am indifferent." I'm not sure why that's so hard to figure out.

f317b8  No.38408


>but what good would come of it?

What if cursing people was rewarded by Allah(swt)? A certain sect today ritually curses people like Umar ibn al Khattab in iranian gatherings while venerating his murderer, and accuses anyone opposing a certain wiliayatul-faqih and the rebuilding of the persian empire as evil nasibis muwalis of banu Ummayah.

bb7ae5  No.38409


Things like the killing of Uthman and Ali are painful for us and we should not discuss them with non-sunnis who delight in our pain. For all dunya purposes the Ibadis are sunnis - when we draw the line though they will assert their freedom from us by dismissing Ali while at the same time cozying with Iran against us as Oman surely does.

d56340  No.38410


>What if

I don't deal in hypotheticals. Then again, I also don't sit around holding grudges concerning something that happened 1400 years ago and is beyond my power to do anything about.


I'm sorry you hold such a silly grudge; but you know nothing of the Ibadi.

b2f400  No.38411


>Ahmed bin Hamad al-Khalili

>when you only have 1 ibadhi shaykh and hes a doormat of the sultan

absolute state of ibadis


Indifferent to the murder of Ali (ra)??

still some khariji traits I see


its not about grudge, we are confused as to why you would follow a dead sect which it's founders are literal khawarij deviants, unless its only for the neither sunni or shia maymay


they are not sunni and they will never be, they are khawarij, dont sugar coat it, the only reason they dont show their hatred for the sahaba is because we overpowered them and slayed them, look at oman today, its a clear ally of israel

5ddafd  No.38414


>I'm indifferent to the Fitna

>I reject parts of the Rashidun's Khilafah


ca4b5c  No.38417

So many (1)s pickin' a fight.

c570bf  No.38421


>I'm indifferent to the Fitna


>Indifferent to the murder of Ali (ra)??

No, I am indifferent to long dead history. It is interesting to study, but dwelling on it is the reason you're still so mad today. It's not my problem if you can't let go of anger. Tell me, does you being angry and gnashing your teeth and crying into the wind change anything or accomplish anything? Or is it just an excuse to spit on your fellow Muslims …

If you can't handle my indifference, it's not my problem.

168b1b  No.38422

File: fab3ef1e5be8cb8⋯.jpg (87.85 KB, 272x272, 1:1, giggle.jpg)


>we are confused


<(1) person hopping IPs


c570bf  No.38426


>why you would follow a dead sect

It's not dead. Why do you believe it's dead? Is it the "anything I'm not part of is dead" maymay?

>neither sunni or shia

Primarily because the only thing sunni and shia ever seem to do is whine about each other. It's like neither side can practice Islam without denigrating the other sects. Ibadi don't do that. If all you can do is cry about how not everyone is sunni, then you may as well not be Muslim at all. You're just LARPing as a jihadi for your sect. Pathetic.

b2f400  No.38429


your indifference to the killing of the sahaba and rejection of rashidun shows me your lack of iman & knowledge


>1 post by this shill


>Ibadi don't do that.

Not an argument for ibadism, actually the only reason nobody cares about ibadis is because they are irrelevant domesticated khawarij.

f18751  No.38430


Ignore him he's a Kharaji who idolizes the man that ordered the killing of Maula Ali RA and is indifferent to the martyrdom of most of the Ten Blessed.

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