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7569d7  No.19586

Questions That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread:

Post all such questions here. I'll start with a few of my own.

As a non-Muslim (non-religious period) I wonder about the notion that God (Allah) "wants" things from us. "Wanting" to me feels like it implies a kind of inferior state, as though one was lacking something. Does Allah "want" things from mankind? To follow certain rules perhaps? Or is it not a matter of "wanting" but something else?

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1c455d  No.28541

File: ed856cf2f70ecad⋯.png (24.44 KB, 593x356, 593:356, literally who.png)

Stop reporting people who use the Name field.

I can turn it off if I want to and force anonymous, but I don't. The name field is there for anyone who wants to use it. If you don't like that, please see pic.

29752f  No.28547


As someone who posted in that thread, it might have come off as a little "New Agey" but it didn't seem that bad. Hakim Archuletta is a well known figure who has a lot of material on Islamic medicine/nutrition etc. So it's definitely a topic we can and should be able to discuss.

2130aa  No.28548


Yes and I thank you for that post, I googled that name and he sounds very interesting.


I don't, unfortunately, but it was a pretty innocuous thread. I described the art of energy healing as manipulating subtle energies within the physical body, and made a point to distinguish it from haram witchcraft which, even when used with beneficial intent, still relies on bizarre rituals and partnerships with spirits.

b37e74  No.28549


>Hakim Archuletta

Oh! Repost it, then. I will allow it.

1c455d  No.28550


>energy healing as manipulating subtle energies within the physical body

Yeah, that sounds a little "new agey", damn near /fringe/-tier to be honest. I am a fan of Archuletta, but he is a traditional Islamic doctor (Unani) making use of natural medicines, etc, and not any sort of weird reiki stuff.

2130aa  No.28551


>Yeah, that sounds a little "new agey", damn near /fringe/-tier to be honest.

/fringe/ is full of incels who believe that Atlantis literally existed, please don't compare me to them. :c

I'm just wondering if there's a scholarly consensus on paranormal healing? Like, I know that energy healing has a lot of "new age" stigma, but if you think about it it's not even that illogical of a belief. Humans are made up of matter and energy. Two substances that make up a human body, why are we able to manipulate one but not the other? It could be a powerful revolution in medicine if we are able to tap into such an art…. two different sets of tools for approaching health problems from two different directions.

And it's not like magic (as in witchcraft, demonolatry, sihr) isn't real, either; I know from experience that witchcraft is real and dangerous. I washed my hands of that stuff years ago, but I still feel that my spiritual intuition is a gift I would rather not waste, God permitting.

2130aa  No.28552

And, sorry, I can stop talking about this if it's too controversial.

385f6e  No.28560


I did, your post contained elements of shirk (astrology) so I judged it was inappropriate for the muslims on this board.

385f6e  No.28561


Yes, that would be appreciated.

385f6e  No.28563


>Humans are made up of matter and energy. Two substances that make up a human body, why are we able to manipulate one but not the other?

Your body already does, every time you eat anything, your body burns it using it's chemical energy. And when you starve your body uses the fat. Light is even emitted from the body in form of mostly infrared and some visible due to that energy.

>I'm just wondering if there's a scholarly consensus on paranormal healing?

There is consensus that the quran itself contains healing, reciting it over the body or a person. That is all we need in terms of "paranormal" or "ethereal" healing. There are other material ways to heal ourselves, such as with good foods, herbs, medicine or therapy. The quran prescribes both, healthy foods (such as honey, figs, olives, pomegranates ect) and the recited quran itself as a healing.

5153a7  No.28586

File: e35c462fec4b1ab⋯.jpg (803.62 KB, 1600x900, 16:9, Person reading torah scrol….jpg)

Okay so I will post my question here for someone who speaks arabic.

So basically in Hebrew the word "Towrah" means "Teachings"

And the Arabic equivalent of "Torah" is "Tawrah or Taurat" however I can't find out what this means in Arabic.

Does it mean the same as Hebrew or is it different?

ad25ae  No.28587

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It’s here! Mashallah.

ff4de0  No.28588


Excellent! May it increase your knowledge. Nice unboxing, too.

385f6e  No.28589


Maybe because it was revealed under the tur (mountain)? idk

And [recall] when We took your covenant, [O Children of Israel, to abide by the Torah] and We raised over you the mount, [saying], "Take what We have given you with determination and remember what is in it that perhaps you may become righteous."

Surah 2:63

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464697  No.28590

File: 87e8ba102ea8d81⋯.jpeg (106.63 KB, 1018x1019, 1018:1019, image.jpeg)

What is the Sunni view of the Neoplatonic theory of "emanationsim". I'm reading the creed of Imam Tahawi and he mentions that the Quran emanated from Allah (swt) "without modality". Can anyone clarify the meaning of this, and can anyone provide resources dealing with the Islamic view of Neoplatonic philosophy?

8fa26a  No.28610

How do you guys, personally, get over temptations? Ive been talking to a Christian girl for a while now that clearly wants to marry me but also convert me. Which is absolutely not going to happen. It’s just such a shame because I let myself become hopeful when I shouldn’t have. She’s real sweet and modest but so misguided.

ff4de0  No.28611


Dump the mushrikeen and find a muslima.

2130aa  No.28612


If you love her and the feelings are mutual, then I think you should marry her, but be firm in your belief and make it clear that you will not convert to Christianity.

At the same time, don't try to make her revert to Islam. Allow her the choice of staying Christian or being Muslim if she wants to, "no compulsion in religion" and all that.

2130aa  No.28615

With Ramadan coming up in a few days, I feel like this is a good time to ask:

What are the specific rulings on medical exclusions from the fast? Since I have oral medication I have to take every 12 hours, and has to be taken with food in my stomach, does that mean I should consider myself exempt from fasting? Or should I still attempt to fast each day outside of those two times a day?

385f6e  No.28616


Is it necessary for your physical health or optional?

2d6335  No.28617

Why the ☻ is there such a thing if your religion respects those who do not believe? That law forces your religion on people when and wherever it's enforced and what happens to those who disobey is awful so what does Islam have to say about that?

2130aa  No.28621


It's medically necessary, yes.

450f73  No.28623


>oral tranny hormones

>medically necessary

2130aa  No.28625


You're not a doctor, it's not your place to debate whether not this-or-that treatment is "medically necessary."

450f73  No.28626


I know more about exogenous hormones than you or any of your doctors and I will tell you that you do not need them. You think chemical castration is medically necessary for what reason? You think raising your blood pressure and red blood cell count is medically necessary for???

2130aa  No.28627

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450f73  No.28628


2130aa  No.28631


>and nothing of value was lost.jpg

So, no objections to me skipping the fast due to my medically necessary medical necessity, then? I'll do my best to keep Ramadan holy in my own capacity, as a month of self-reflection and prayer.

5c7190  No.28633


How much leniency do you have with the 12 hours? Could you take one just before sunrise and one when breaking fast?

385f6e  No.28636



I think he's right since HRT does more harm than good to the body and is not medically necessary. So your fast will be invalidated.

ff4de0  No.28639


Change your medicine schedule to coincide with pre-sunrise and the breaking of the fast. It shouldn't be a problem for you.


>I know more about medicine than a doctor

No, you don't.

Also, can someone please point out exactly where Undyne mentioned exactly what medicine we're talking about? The brash assumptions prove that nobody here knows what they're talking about when it comes to medicines. I take a beta-blocker for blood pressure and, guess what, I take it every 12 hours! Yet, you'll all just assume I mean HRT?


ff4de0  No.28640


Undyne specifically said that the medicine had to be taken with food. HRT must be taken on an empty stomach. Stop pretending to know what you're talking about.

450f73  No.28642


Hmm, it's not like the tranny has ever posted about his "meds" before >>26449


>HRT must be taken on an empty stomach.

No steroids (that includes tranny meds) need to be taken on an empty stomach or else bodybuilders wouldn't be a thing.

ff4de0  No.28644


>HRT is tranny meds only

You do realize that they give HRT to menopausal women, right? They're told to take it on an empty stomach. You seriously need to stop pretending to know what you're talking about.

I am aware that Undyne is transgender, but that is no basis for assumption and it sure as hell is no basis for giving medical advice.

450f73  No.28647


the absolute state of hyphenated muslims


ff4de0  No.28648


>gets backed into a corner

>uh uh uh n-no true Muslim

An Argument Status: Not

Undyne's question was about the fast, not seeking medical advice. Claiming to know more than a doctor about medicine is where you failed.

450f73  No.28649


Have fun in hell with your trannies and tranny pills.

ff4de0  No.28655


The Messenger of Allah (saw) said, "When the month of Ramadan starts, the gates of the heaven are opened and the gates of Hell are closed and the devils are chained." (Imam Bukhari)

450f73  No.28656


It's not Ramadan yet, but let us not quarrel.

385f6e  No.28667


He clearly said he would take it 2x a day and that would break his fast.

450f73  No.28691

How do I become more humble? Strategies?

450f73  No.28723

So I understand I should keep my family name even if I change my first name to an Islamic one?

What is the deal with al- sorts of names? Do they only ever denote clans and tribes and ancestry? Because obviously a lot of people have a city after the al- but usually if they are rooted in that city.

I don't want to be a poser and change my name to something that I have no history of. However I was thinking of changing the second part of my name to Abdullah or al-Rahman. Since I am not very proud of being descended from non Muslims and would rather shed my old name….

450f73  No.28724


(cont. from this post)

So tell me if this sounds too stupid or… so what if I were to change my name to say, Murad Abdullah al-Perth? as if I was from Perth, Australia for example. I'm not trying to run from my past name by any means, but I just see no connection to it since a new name would be more useful. Did any of you change any of your names?

I wasn't going to change it right away either, will probably do it in a few years once I get a wife anyways.

ff4de0  No.28727


As long as it isn't blasphemous, you can name yourself whatever you want. There is no obligation to change your name.

450f73  No.28728


I would look forward greatly to having an Islamic name, even if I only change my first name. Nevertheless I will wait a while before I start to seriously deliberate on it, thanks.

9d8ee5  No.28732

File: 9c4c7d4b9fea310⋯.png (1.66 MB, 1600x1236, 400:309, image.png)

can anyone suggest a book about the names of Allah (swt), the asma al husna, what they mean, their etymology, grammar, and the way they're used in the Quran etc?

8a272d  No.28737


Okay, it took me a while to come to my senses but I’ve stopped talking to her. It was difficult because I wanted to let her down nicely but it was just impossible… she just called me but I let it ring out. She’ll probably get the hint eventually

ff51cc  No.28739


>She’ll probably get the hint eventually

That's not how this works. Try to be direct and honest and let her know why you took the decision. Remember akhi, this world is temporary and is nothing compared to the next. You made the right choice. Now combine that choice with the right actions.

dc77d7  No.28742


What >>28739 said. Dont do that to her as you will only be hurting her in the long run. Just tell her the truth. The truth will set her free.

Another way to think about it:

How would you feel if the roles were reversed and you were infatuated with her to the point you blow up her phone constantly. Longing to hear from her again. Only to find out (eventually) that she doesn't respect you enough to say she isn't interested anymore?

eed003  No.28743

File: 96671dac5203564⋯.jpg (81.27 KB, 1000x600, 5:3, Channelcat.jpg)

If you are fishing, and you are going to kill the fish before you clean it, how should you kill the fish? I have been hitting it in the head with a hammer until it dies, then pounding a nail through its head and into a log to skin and clean the fish. There isn’t a vein to cut its throat, but I remember a hadith saying that you aren’t supposed to beat or bludgeon an animal to death. Since catfish have a hard skull I don’t know how else to kill it, so the fish doesn’t suffer.

af4ec2  No.28744


Here is what I found on an angler's website. I also never fished catfish before so I cant vouch for the accuracy of this information, but it makes sense to me:

>One of the most popular ways used by many veteran anglers is pithing. You’ll need a sharp to do this. To pith a catfish, position the pointy end of a knife directly above its brain. Push it down quickly into the brain cavity of the fish. This trick is usually sure and quick.

>Or, make a small incision over the soft spot on the fish’s head between their eyes. Then slip a fine piece of wire into the soft spot. This destroys the brain and central nervous system. You’ll see the catfish shutter for a few seconds and then go limp. The length of the wire depends on the size of your catfish – you’ll need a longer one if you have a large catfish. Apart from the wire, you can nail it still on the soft spot and it will be dead soon enough.

I hope this helps you. Inshallah.

e1c5df  No.28746



I would rather not be drawn back into her little charm facade. It's not like I was being cruel to her. We only knew each other for about 2 and a half weeks.

66cf1c  No.28751

>Questions about marriage…

When did you get married?

What was courtship like for you? How long did it take to find a good bride?

Did you pay a lot for Mahr? Are there ever any exceptions to this?

385f6e  No.28758


stab in the head or cut it off

385f6e  No.28759


>tfw no zawja

ff4de0  No.28764


>When did you get married?

12 years ago

>What was courtship like for you?

Same as always, I suppose. We met, we liked each other, we got married.

>How long did it take to find a good bride?

30 years

>Did you pay a lot for Mahr?

No. I didn't pay for my wife. We love each other.

385f6e  No.28765


Mahr is islamically mandatory. It's not 'buying' your wife it's showing you can provide for her.

ff51cc  No.28768


"Give women their dower as a free gift; but

if they, of their own accord, choose to give

up to you a part of it, then you may take it with pleasure." (4:4)

The mahr is not a "payment". It's her right, a gift(for her) and an obligation for her husband.


In specific cases, it can be reduced or forgiven by the bride but insulting it is nothing short of stupidity.

f8b0a1  No.28779

File: 898f860191e4e39⋯.jpg (16.21 KB, 250x300, 5:6, mpc-hc-2014-07-06-14-55-38….jpg)


Is drawing Haram? I don't draw bad pictures just happy things like animals and people. I don't over sexualize but I like to show skin/hair and such sometimes but try to avoid it by drawing full dresses and long sleeves. I would NEVER worship my drawings or ever allow people to do anything, can anyone give me a clear answer if this is allowed or not? JAK

ff4de0  No.28783


For the billionth time NO

c6dbda  No.28790

How do I deal with haram thoughts. I know that it is best to simply avoid them and treat them as forbidden because they are and not to act on them. But I have a hard time. Is there any sort of mental trick I can use to train myself to snap out of it?

I think about penetrating man ass, I don't want to, but I've only had 1 girlfriend and keep wondering what the other side would be like. I've heard that homosexual desires are caused by either sexual frustration or antisocial behavior. Can my thoughts be fixed?

f8b0a1  No.28792

Isn't this one of those extreme cases where masturbation is allowed?


ff51cc  No.28799

385f6e  No.28805


I t is, but you can still draw plants or landscapes, anything without a face or any non living thing is allowed.

1c794a  No.28809


You can think of it as a "test." Some people are tested in money, some in children, some in sexuality.

Now, onto another subject. If you are not attracted to the other gender, you can always not get married.

What I have just said may be controversial (how can you not get married? It is what Allah wanted. blah blah). you see, everything you do can be sorted in 3 categories: For Allah, for the community, for yourself. For Allah is things like prayer, where you pray for Allah. For the community is like work. for yourself is like eating and sleeping. in Ramadan, if you are sick, you don't have to fast. so, we can say that (for self) is more important than (for Allah).

This is important because it means that having sexual desires for the same race is a good reason not to get married.

plus, if you get married, you won't be able to provide your wife what she deserves and, in the scenario where she knows, she might even feel jealous.

By the way, having someone trustworthy, preferably from the same gender, to talk to helps more than you imagine.

450f73  No.28814

this is what Carl Sagan once said

>Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Others—for example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einstein—considered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws.

Thoughts on this? I'm not advocating for his perspective either, I just enjoy seeing parallels outside of our religion.

359367  No.28815

File: 50de0c8c5b78792⋯.png (6.91 KB, 170x170, 1:1, image.png)

What's the deal with copyright laws? Is "pirating" books haram? It doesn't seem like stealing, it basically is not substantially different than how scholars in ancient/medieval times used to visit other libraries and copy their books onto new scrolls―only downloading requires far less effort. What do you guys think?

ff4de0  No.28816


Carl Sagan was a very intelligent and learned man, but an atheist, so take that how you will.


Islam respects both the private and the public ownership. It doesn’t sanction any violation against people’s rights, whether material or intellectual. Therefore, it does not allow that the propaganda or the efforts of others be taken away from them or be exploited without their consent.

While pirating books may not technically be theft, you should at least find some way to give the author recompense. I know many authors who have donation pages that basically say "If you didn't get my book through my publisher, kindly donate what you think the book is worth." As an author myself, I always think it's nice when a reader chooses to throw me a little cash for my work.

385f6e  No.28817


It's a strawman of what theists believe God is basically.

385f6e  No.28818


imo information should be free, but the material to create physical book isn't so that should be compensated

eed003  No.28819


Thanks, I found a description of the wire method on youtube. I should have probably checked on youtube or other places before asking, but I didn’t see any descriptions of slaughtering fish in hadith or Islamic websites. I thought maybe there might be an Islamic method that was described somewhere.

eed003  No.28820


Some athiests think that everything in the universe just came out of nowhere, for no reason, randomly. Richard Dawkins admits that when you look at DNA very closly, you find that there is so much information that is packed into the DNA of humans, that there has to be something called “intelligent design.” When he was asked to elaborate, he said that humans had to be “designed and created” by something. When asked to elaborate about who this creator could be, he says “aliens or something.”

That isn’t a very scientific way of thinking.

9b3f4d  No.28821

ad25ae  No.28822




reading books shows that you appreciate what the author wrote. anything worth reading is usually free.


I cringe whenever people try to support theology with these science anecdotes. Let us just accept our faith as is.

c045a9  No.28827


Than pray to Allah (swt) that he gives you strength to resist her charms while you break her heart. It may make you feel uncomfortable, but its the right thing to do. Doing this also sets boundaries between you two. Most importantly, she can recover and return to normal without harboring resentment twords men.

eed003  No.28831

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Theology doesn’t need to be supported by science, although the scientific miracles that are in the quran and hadith that continue to be discovered are hard to ignore.

Using science to prove how rediculously nonsensical athiesm is speaks for itself, especially when they hold up science as being able to disprove the existance of God by itself. Part of scientific theory is not ruling out a theory that cannot be completely disproven without concrete evidence. Even then, if later evidence is discovered disproving the previous evidence, the theory has to be reconsidered. That is why science is a process, almost nothing is absolutely concrete….except for things that are backed up by evidence that is in the Quran and Sunnah.

“All heavely bodies are swimming in an orbit.” Because it is in the Quran, it can be taken as a concrete fact. Even if we cannot observe large, even undiscovered celestial bodies orbiting some other celestial body, we can very safely assume that they are orbiting something, since the Quran says that they are.

eed003  No.28832

File: 1a1ffd6175a5e6e⋯.jpg (28.17 KB, 480x480, 1:1, Donut.jpg)


Since comparing the size of our universe to the second heaven which is above it is like the size of a ring that is thrown into a desert, one could assume that the heaven that is above our universe is shaped in such a way that everything in our universe is orbiting around it. Like maybe our universe is donut shaped. That would be in line with the Ayat that “All heavenly bodies are swimming in an orbit.”

385f6e  No.28833


Yeah and verse 41:11

"Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being, As I will], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly." "

Is pretty amazing in that it talks about 'cosmic dust' formation. And implies the laws of physics are how space/matter obey Allah s.w.t


ad25ae  No.28847

How do I get along with people who clearly hold disdain for me? My mother holds extreme contempt for me. She keeps threatening to kick me out. I have never done anything to her, ever. I tell her I just want to be left alone in peace. Apparently any disagreement she interprets as just cause to blackmail me into submission. She thinks like a cultist. I just want to be left alone. It’s always been like this.

ad25ae  No.28849

>>28847 (cont.)

I’m going to just think very calmly… I have aunts and uncles who evidently care for me (and people in general) more than my own mother… I will see if any of them would be kind enough to take me in. I could probably pay for some expenses.

Whatever I don’t have, we always have our faith, others have less fortune than me, I have to accept that life has temporary issues, and retain my moral character, especially when I am worrying too much about this…

263675  No.28858

Is it a sin to marry a fornicatress who had hid her fornication?

ff4de0  No.28861


Unless she repents, the marriage would be invalid.

78f25f  No.28862


What if she hides it from me and I never find out?

Will I live a lie?

3212b6  No.28863


You're not sinful for her lying…

ca9abb  No.28864


really? source?

ff4de0  No.28865


The fornicator does not marry except a [female] fornicator or polytheist, and none marries her except a fornicator or a polytheist, and that has been made unlawful to the believers. [24:3]

5b7570  No.28873


Does oral sex count as fornication?

5b7570  No.28874

Are transexuals allowed in Islam?

Can they marry?

385f6e  No.28878




>Are transexuals allowed in Islam?

It's not allowed to dress as the opposite gender or have homosexual relations, but having gender dysphoria isn't a crime in Islam.

>Can they marry?

No, since they are legally men in islamic law.

5b7570  No.28881


>No, since they are legally men in islamic law

Even if they take hormones?

But Iran says it is possible for a male spirit to be stuck in a female body. That's why they allow those.

Is Iran wrong?

385f6e  No.28883


>Even if they take hormones?

Yes, since that does not change male genetics or anatomy.

>But Iran says it is possible for a male spirit to be stuck in a female body. That's why they allow those.

Iran is mostly a shiite country, they follow a deviant set of fiqh laws based on a deviant sect, most muslims (sunni) don't accept this. And even some shiites reject it too. But in Islam we don't punish someone with gender dysphoria as I stated.

>Is Iran wrong?


5b7570  No.28885


What should a person with gender dysphoria do?

385f6e  No.28886


Seek medical help.

5b7570  No.28889


There should be a better solution to homosexuals and transexuals than simply calling them mentally ill.

c045a9  No.28893


What would you have us do? Embrace them like the west and let thier unhealthy life style affect our countries? Round them up, slap pink triangles on them, and force them to work? Exile them to parts unknown and let the wilderness take them?

Tbh, calling them mentally ill and giving them assistance is the most humane thing to do.

c9012e  No.28901


Trannies have existed for thousands of years. The mughal empire didn't hate them.

The west is decadent because it allowed all of the sins.

Trannies should be controlled. Not killed.

Medical science says that their brains show similarities to female brains.

They have feminine mannerisms by default free from sexual deviancy.

Don't let them fornicate but they can be integrated.

c045a9  No.28905


I dont think eunuchs count as trannies. Eunuchs were usually forced into becoming eunuchs while trannies transition by choice. I agree, killing them wont solve anything but allowing them to distort Allah's (swt) gift to them is satanic. It's an inversion of the body Allah (swt) gave them. An inversion that causes them to harm themselves.

They need professional help. They need Allah (swt) in their life.

ff4de0  No.28906


>Are transexuals allowed in Islam?

Yes. It is a treatable medical condition.

>Can they marry?


ad25ae  No.28913


>Trannies should be controlled. Not killed.

Not really my area of jurisprudence to be honest, who am I to say what others should do with people who poison the wells of morality.

385f6e  No.28945


>Medical science says that their brains show similarities to female brains.

fake news

e988f1  No.28947



if you're biologically born a man you can't marry another man, no matter how convincing your cross-dressing is.

I've been to anime conventions.

3e323e  No.28949

Is the OP picture haram for depicting life? Likewise what about thins like photographs or cartoons?

ff4de0  No.28952


Only a select minority of Muslims, belonging to a specific "denomination", believe that all depictions of life are haram.

ff4de0  No.28953


The medical condition associated with "transgender" people is not "crossdressing". You're thinking of drag queens. Not the same thing.

c045a9  No.28954

File: 0ba9f321916fda1⋯.png (103.89 KB, 205x256, 205:256, 2018_05_26_010412.png)



That verse really gets me thinking, was Arius Allah's messanger to the Romans? From my understanding alot of Muslims see him as the proto-muslim of the Roman Empire

385f6e  No.28965


It's possible.

7d3536  No.29030

Why does Saudi Arabia have a national anthem?

Isn't music haram?

ff4de0  No.29031


For the millionth time, music is not haram.

385f6e  No.29034


It is for sunni muslims, saudi arabia isn't an islamic country.



ff4de0  No.29035


I've posted proof so many times that, frankly, I'm sick of doing it. You've been on this board long enough to have seen it and we've discussed it time and time again. If music were haram, there would be no a-nasheed and no psalms.

b9f46e  No.29036



حَدَّثَنَا أَحْمَدُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ وَهْبٍ، قَالَ أَخْبَرَنَا عَمْرٌو، أَنَّ مُحَمَّدَ بْنَ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ الأَسَدِيَّ، حَدَّثَهُ عَنْ عُرْوَةَ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، قَالَتْ دَخَلَ عَلَىَّ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَعِنْدِي جَارِيَتَانِ تُغَنِّيَانِ بِغِنَاءِ بُعَاثَ، فَاضْطَجَعَ عَلَى الْفِرَاشِ وَحَوَّلَ وَجْهَهُ، وَدَخَلَ أَبُو بَكْرٍ فَانْتَهَرَنِي وَقَالَ مِزْمَارَةُ الشَّيْطَانِ عِنْدَ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فَأَقْبَلَ عَلَيْهِ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ـ عَلَيْهِ السَّلاَمُ ـ فَقَالَ ‏‏ دَعْهُمَا ‏"‏ فَلَمَّا غَفَلَ غَمَزْتُهُمَا فَخَرَجَتَا‏.‏ وَكَانَ يَوْمَ عِيدٍ يَلْعَبُ السُّودَانُ بِالدَّرَقِ وَالْحِرَابِ، فَإِمَّا سَأَلْتُ النَّبِيَّ صلى الله عليه وسلم وَإِمَّا قَالَ ‏"‏ تَشْتَهِينَ تَنْظُرِينَ ‏"‏‏.‏ فَقُلْتُ نَعَمْ‏.‏ فَأَقَامَنِي وَرَاءَهُ خَدِّي عَلَى خَدِّهِ، وَهُوَ يَقُولُ ‏"‏ دُونَكُمْ يَا بَنِي أَرْفِدَةَ ‏"‏‏.‏ حَتَّى إِذَا مَلِلْتُ قَالَ ‏"‏ حَسْبُكِ ‏"‏‏.‏ قُلْتُ نَعَمْ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ فَاذْهَبِي ‏"‏‏.‏"

Narrated Aisha:

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came to my house while two girls were singing beside me the songs of Buath (a story about the war between the two tribes of the Ansar, the Khazraj and the Aus, before Islam). The Prophet (ﷺ) lay down and turned his face to the other side. Then Abu Bakr came and spoke to me harshly saying, "Musical instruments of Satan near the Prophet (ﷺ) ?" Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) turned his face towards him and said, "Leave them." When Abu Bakr became inattentive, I signaled to those girls to go out and they left. It was the day of `Id, and the Black people were playing with shields and spears; so either I requested the Prophet (ﷺ) or he asked me whether I would like to see the display. I replied in the affirmative. Then the Prophet (ﷺ) made me stand behind him and my cheek was touching his cheek and he was saying, "Carry on! O Bani Arfida," till I got tired. The Prophet (ﷺ) asked me, "Are you satisfied (Is that sufficient for you)?" I replied in the affirmative and he told me to leave.

Sahih al-Bukhari 949, 950

In-book : Book 13, Hadith 2

USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 2, Book 15, Hadith 70  (deprecated)

If music is okay for the Prophet (ﷺ) to listen to, im sure it is okay for others to listen too as well. That being said, there can be haram music ie rap, hip-hop, rock'n'roll, edm, etc but not all music is haram.

ff4de0  No.29041


J'zak Allah, brother. Be prepared to copypaste that a lot. We get the music question every 2-3 days.

f473b8  No.29044


Are there any good hadith on this being permissible?

ff4de0  No.29045


There is the hadith about Aisha having a horse doll, which is a representation of something living, and the Prophet permitted it.

25e75b  No.29046


حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ عَوْفٍ، حَدَّثَنَا سَعِيدُ بْنُ أَبِي مَرْيَمَ، أَخْبَرَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ أَيُّوبَ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنِي عُمَارَةُ بْنُ غَزِيَّةَ، أَنَّ مُحَمَّدَ بْنَ إِبْرَاهِيمَ، حَدَّثَهُ عَنْ أَبِي سَلَمَةَ بْنِ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ، رضى الله عنها قَالَتْ قَدِمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم مِنْ غَزْوَةِ تَبُوكَ أَوْ خَيْبَرَ وَفِي سَهْوَتِهَا سِتْرٌ فَهَبَّتْ رِيحٌ فَكَشَفَتْ نَاحِيَةَ السِّتْرِ عَنْ بَنَاتٍ لِعَائِشَةَ لُعَبٍ فَقَالَ ‏‏ مَا هَذَا يَا عَائِشَةُ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَتْ بَنَاتِي ‏.‏ وَرَأَى بَيْنَهُنَّ فَرَسًا لَهُ جَنَاحَانِ مِنْ رِقَاعٍ فَقَالَ ‏"‏ مَا هَذَا الَّذِي أَرَى وَسْطَهُنَّ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَتْ فَرَسٌ ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ وَمَا هَذَا الَّذِي عَلَيْهِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَتْ جَنَاحَانِ ‏.‏ قَالَ ‏"‏ فَرَسٌ لَهُ جَنَاحَانِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَتْ أَمَا سَمِعْتَ أَنَّ لِسُلَيْمَانَ خَيْلاً لَهَا أَجْنِحَةٌ قَالَتْ فَضَحِكَ حَتَّى رَأَيْتُ نَوَاجِذَهُ ‏.‏"

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:

When the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) arrived after the expedition to Tabuk or Khaybar (the narrator is doubtful), the draught raised an end of a curtain which was hung in front of her store-room, revealing some dolls which belonged to her.

He asked: What is this? She replied: My dolls. Among them he saw a horse with wings made of rags, and asked: What is this I see among them? She replied: A horse. He asked: What is this that it has on it? She replied: Two wings. He asked: A horse with two wings? She replied: Have you not heard that Solomon had horses with wings? She said: Thereupon the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) laughed so heartily that I could see his molar teeth.

Sahih (Al-Albani)

Sunan Abi Dawud 4932

In-book : Book 43, Hadith 160

English translation : Book 42, Hadith 4914

516e10  No.29047


Thank you

c045a9  No.29101


>حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ، حَدَّثَنَا مَالِكٌ، عَنْ نَافِعٍ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُمَرَ ـ رضى الله عنهما ـ أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم نَهَى عَنِ الْمُزَابَنَةِ، وَالْمُزَابَنَةُ بَيْعُ الثَّمَرِ بِالتَّمْرِ كَيْلاً، وَبَيْعُ الزَّبِيبِ بِالْكَرْمِ كَيْلاً‏.‏

Narrated Ibn `Umar:

>Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade Muzabana; and Muzabana is the selling of fresh dates for dried old dates by measure, and the selling of fresh grapes for dried grapes by measure.

Sahih al-Bukhari 2171

In-book : Book 34, Hadith 122

USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 3, Book 34, Hadith 380  (deprecated)

What did Allah's Messanger (ﷺ) mean by this?

ff4de0  No.29102


Muzabana is buying something whose number, weight and measure is not known with something whose number, weight or measure is known. Sort of like gambling since you don't actually know the outcome. A man selling grapes can't know the outcome if those grapes are dried into raisins. There has to be guarantees.

Like if you bring me a bolt of cloth and I say that I can make 50 shirts from it, but end up only making 48 shirts, then I owe you 2 shirts.

7d3536  No.29111

How can God's infinite wisdom be contained within one book?

ff4de0  No.29115


It isn't. Qur'an is the central text of Islam, but we also have Tawrat, Zabur, Injeel, and there are potential references in Qur'an to a couple of other texts given to Abraham, Moses, and John the Baptist.

b4b38d  No.29116


"And if all the trees in the earth were pens, and the sea, with seven more seas to help it, (were ink), the words of Allah could not be exhausted. Lo! Allah is Mighty, Wise."

Quran 31:27

be625c  No.29131


>How can God's infinite wisdom be contained within one book?

Well if you mean God's complete wisdom, then it is not written in it but in another preserved tablet, known to God. Mankind in total, has very little knowledge.

"And they ask you about revelation. Say, revelation is by the command of my Lord, and mankind has not been given of knowledge except a little." Surah 17:85

"And there is no creature on earth but that upon Allah is its provision, and He knows its place of dwelling and place of storage. All is in a clear register." Surah 11:6

But we do have enough parables to answer all our questions in the quran. That is one responsibility of the scholars in islam.

"And We have certainly presented for the people in this Qur'an from every [kind of] example - that they might reflect." Surah 39:27

e32a05  No.29145

File: 3390b3545e69196⋯.jpg (109.82 KB, 609x633, 203:211, al-Hafidh Ibn Hajar al-Asq….jpg)

Is Ibn Taymiyah's interpretation of allah having a body correct?

ff4de0  No.29147


Eh, it's not like we can really ever know at this point. We don't get to proscribe for Allah that which Allah has rejected for himself.

462e68  No.29159

so I'm home from college for the summer. When I told my mother I had converted to Islam and would be going to the Mosque for the first time soon she pretended to be accepting. But today she just revealed, that behind my back, she had been looking for a family therapist, and she is trying to make me go there with her and my father to "negotiate" where I assume she will try to get everybody to tell me that I can't be a muslim or go to a mosque. She said since I am 19 this "is a period in your life where you have to decide what sort of man you would like to be and what sort of woman you would like in your life" she presumably hates the fact that her grand children in the future could be Muslims. My father is just as unsupporting but he probably will not let her kick me out of the house just for refusing to go to coerced "therapy". Please I need your advice.

ff4de0  No.29160


So, go to family therapy. It's not going to go the way you or your parents think. The therapist isn't going to take sides and will actually explain to your parents that you choosing Islam is an excellent step in adulthood. Religion brings routine, guidance, and a sense of purpose. The therapist knows that and will say so to your parents.

ce8984  No.29165


I was gonna reply to you with my own thoughts, but this brother >>29160 said almost exactly what I wanted to say.

So the purpose of my reply is just to convince you to do that, just go to the therapy. Your parents don't have bad intentions, even though their actions might not seem that way, so just obey them as much as you can in the realm of what is allowed, and going to the therapist certainly is in that realm, and the therapy won't go the way your mother hopes.

c045a9  No.29177

File: 5131ae0aa496875⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 26.46 KB, 480x252, 40:21, PRO_1_8f401372-66ae-41fe-a….jpg)

My future employer requires me to shave my beard in order to keep up with their professional brand.

Would it be haram to shave it for my employer?

Would it be haram to NOT shave it for my employer?

Is there any cases where people are allowed to keep their beard on account of their faith?

Context: I live in America and will feel like pic related

ff4de0  No.29178


EEOC regulations say that, unless it would be an “undue hardship,” employers must reasonably accommodate their employees’ religious beliefs and practices. Keeping up with their brand is not "undue hardship". The only cases I've seen of shaving being an absolute requirement is in certain industries where respirators or gas masks are necessary and the beard would cause the mask to not seal properly, causing harm to the employee. That also holds true for certain jobs in the military.

In short, you get to keep your beard provided they hire you knowing you're a Muslim. However, you said "future employer", which means they haven't hired you yet. They can't deny employment based on your religion, but they can deny you employment based on your beard - even if it is for religious reasons. I suggest looking for employment elsewhere.

7d3536  No.29180

Why is "shirk" the worst sin?

Please explain it like I am 5.

ff4de0  No.29181


Because it spits in the face of the idea that God is one God.

>like I am 5

Ok. Let's say you colored a picture. You worked really hard on it and it's a great picture. Now imagine someone starts saying that someone else helped you with that picture. You know it was your work and yours alone, but this person is insisting that you had help. How would that make you feel?

5963f5  No.29200

File: 9e420f13e7a4493⋯.jpg (36.52 KB, 621x412, 621:412, 6c42da1aaa23b03ddfa533f02b….jpg)

Marhaba. I don't know if this has been answered before, but what is your opinion on Christians as distant cousins and allies against degeneracy and Sh*ytan? I see muslims as cousins, mostly because I myself am arab and grew up around sunni muslims in Lebanon. But what do the rest of you think? I know that there is mention of Christians as allies in the Qur'an, though I don't know the extent of it

ff4de0  No.29201


In general, yes we can have Christian and Jewish friends, but when it comes to the struggle against evil, Qur'an is very clear:

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. God guides not the people of the evildoers. [5:51]

You can't fight evil if you are part of it. Islam is the only way to fight evil.

506fc9  No.29207


Hi. I don't know what you mean by allies… as in we're supposed to fight together against evil? >>29201 is right (although I disagree with your translation of [5:51], scholars generally agree that that word translates to allies, not friends), Islam is a religion and not a guide to waging political wars, compromising our beliefs is out of the question. If you want my opinion (and only God knows best), about the verse you mention [5:82], while it can be taken in a more literal sense (especially looking into recent history), I think its meant to be a lesson… that we'll find Christians to be closest to us (in terms of belief) because they are not arrogant/proud, while we'll find Jews and Pagans most against us (in beliefs) because they are arrogant and proud.

ff4de0  No.29209


I believe the verse in question is talking about friends/allies when fighting evil, not in just general times. For example, I can have a Jewish or Christian friend/ally who I go and have lunch with from time to time or maybe go see a movie; but when it comes to addressing an evil in the world, that person is not my friend/ally. I side with other Muslims only in that case.

b1443c  No.29212

File: 458d5dd350f2b23⋯.jpeg (175.47 KB, 800x532, 200:133, image.jpeg)



One interpretation that I have heard of that verse is that it should be translated as "Do not take as allies Jews and Christians which are friends of eachother". In other words, Jews and Christians that are not friends of eachother can be friends of Muslims, but Jews and Christians that are friendly with eachother are enemies to Muslims. If you think about it, any Jews and Christians that are friends of eachother have to be hypocritical on some level since Christians believe Jews are "Christ killers", rejecters of their own Messiah, and Jews see Christians as usurpers trying to claim that they are the "true Jews". These are faiths that are intrinsically in competition with one another, so if you ever see them allying with one another this is a sign that something unusual is happening, and probably they are allying with eachother in order to oppose Islam, as we see today with Zionists and evangelicals. Traditional Christians like Orthodox are not friends of the Jews, and Catholics at one point were the same though now that has changed. I'm not claiming this is the correct interpretation of that verse, it's just one that I found interesting. Allahu Alim.

000000  No.29218

Hi guys, I have a question concerning names. Should someone change their last name if they discover that their last name is a name an ancestor took. For example, your last name is Ibrahim but you discover that an ancestor changed his last name to Ibrahim when it most likely was Smith according to your grandparents.

ff4de0  No.29219


You can change your name to whatever you want for whatever reason you want within the boundaries of your local laws - for example, some places won't let you change your name to something obscene.

There is no obligation in Islam to change your name. It is 100% up to you.

da6dd6  No.29226

I'm a 27 year old revert to Islam. Am I too old to pursue a traditional Islamic education? I feel like Allah (swt) has blessed me with a mind especially adapted to that sort of study, and not so well adapted to making a profit. Is it too late for me?

ff4de0  No.29227


It's never too late. I became Muslim at 32.

50333e  No.29228


Jazakallah khair. Did you pursue a traditional Islamic education, or are you pursuing one now?

ce8984  No.29237


What an incredibly interesting interpretation that makes a ton of sense to me.

You know, in Judaism, Christianity is Esau, in the same way that Judaism is Jacob/Israel and Islam is Ishmael, that would add even more sense.

ce8984  No.29238


Because it's denying that God, our Creator, has absolute sovereignty and power over everything in the universe.

Shirk is to imply that there is a power completely independent from Allah in the universe, that has a mind and power of its own, despite what Allah decrees. It's quite obvious how that completely goes against the idea of monotheism, and you can in no way have a good foundation for your life.

7d3536  No.29241


So shirk includes athiest and other modern ideologies?

Then I completely understand. I thought shirk was limited to peganism and the like.

ff4de0  No.29242


No, atheism is far worse than shirk. Shirk is attributing others as equal to Allah, which implies belief in Allah. Atheism is the absolute denial of Allah.

7d3536  No.29243


I also believed this to be the case, but I heard that Shirk was the worst sin in Islam.

ff4de0  No.29244


No, rejection of God is far worse than assigning partners to God.

a5a0d3  No.29279

File: 90fec9b6844e0d4⋯.jpeg (150.42 KB, 1062x1466, 531:733, F018A690-94D7-45F9-BA2E-6….jpeg)

What should I know before going to mosque for the first time? I will call ahead to get basics too, maybe I ask how was it for yall the first time? Can I go for first prayer of the day? Or will they have me say the shahada first then prayer (so I should arrive even earlier?)

I usually wake up at 3am.

384b28  No.29281


Only thing you really need to know ahead of time is don't walk into the prayer room with your shoes on. People will be very accommodating and helpful, and you can take your shahada whenever you feel like, or not take it at all if you don't feel like it. It's entirely up to you. If you go early in the morning for the first prayer, people might be sleepy and there might not be as many people there. If you go for maghrib/isha prayers there will be more people, and if you go for Friday jumaa prayer there will be the most. In some ways, taking shahada on Friday jumaa prayer is the best because that way the whole community witnesses it and it increases their faith. By all means, though, if you don't want to wait till next Friday just go whenever. I took my shahada on a Wednesday in the middle of the day lol. You could always do your shahada at the next available opportunity and tell them you want to do it again on the next Friday prayer so the whole community witnesses it. There is no rule against doing it multiple times.

ff4de0  No.29282


I don't know. First time I went to a mosque, I just went. I didn't call or anything like that. I simply showed up and nobody complained or whatever. They were very welcoming, actually. A couple of the brothers showed me how to perform wudu and showed me how to pray before I declared shahada. I could have declared shahada first, but it didn't really matter. Every brother was excited to know someone new was joining them and the mosque really felt like home.

When it came time for me to declare shahada, I was brought before the group after prayer time and said the words 3 times in English and Arabic.

Basically, God's house is your house too. Go any time you like. You might have a tougher time if it's Friday since that's our "sabbath" (as it were), but if you say that you're there to declare your faith, then there is no "wrong time".

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ff4de0  No.29288

b67f1a  No.29303

Non-Muslim here. I'm curious as to what your religion truly believes, as any source other than my own reading will be laced with personal biases. Should I find a translation of the Qu'ran and start there, learn Arabic first and read the Qu'ran in its original, or do both together, having each supplement the other?

3392ca  No.29304


I like pic related. It has the Quran and it also provides historical context as to what is going on. Its kinda pricy at least it was in my area but imo way better than just getting a cheap Quran with no commentary for context, espically if you are someone that wants to learn more about Islam. As for learning Arabic, personally, I would do that after you get a grasp of what Muslims believe

I also like YT channels like Merciful Servant and Prophet's Path as they put preaching from Imams with some good Aesthetics in the BG.

May Allah guide you on your path to the truth, anon.

b67f1a  No.29305

I'll take a look for it. The local library might have it. And Arabic seems like an interesting language from what little I know of it, so it'd be something I'd want to learn anyways. I'll check out those channels as well, thank you. I honestly hope this helps me find some kind of truth, one way or another.

ad25ae  No.29307

I feel somewhat overwhelmed. I want to learn Arabic but I also want to learn other languages. But only so little time. I want to stay true and give learning Arabic and Quran the time it deserves from me to learn. On the other hand I wish I could move to some quiet rich european country. I'll try to do both. The latter might never happen, but eh. Gotta have some carrot dangling on a stick for myself. It's like, learning Arabic has very little practical value outside our religion. MeNa is so unstable and they don't really want immigrants with the fickle economies anyways. I just want to focus on one thing, it's difficult with all these intricacies.

ff4de0  No.29319


>learning Arabic has very little practical value outside our religion

Depends on where you live.

>I just want to focus on one thing

Then do so! Choose what is important to you and stick with it.

d28777  No.29327


That Quran has some wacky commentary in it. For instance, it says that Jesus and his mother fled to an area of Kashmir after they tried to kill him and that he passed away there. It says that the Jinn that brought Solomon the throne was referring to a firey tempered human slave. It says that Solomon had no real Jinn slaves, because the Quran was only making a metaphor for “firey tempered” people.

That is just a couple of the things from what I remember, I gave that Quran away to a jail years ago. Basically it tries to make everything more science friendly, like everything that is beyond the scope of science and human understanding has to be explained away in the commentary. That isn’t a good thing to do.

Just because Jesus the son of Mary being raised up to Allah can’t be explained scientifically, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. If you can’t take the meaning of the Quran as it is and if you need to logically explain everything away it is bordering on disbelief.

ff4de0  No.29328


>lodging a complaint

>not offering a solution

We call that "whining".

d28777  No.29331


I am pointing out that there are statements of obvious kufr in the commentary of that Quran.

If someone is practicing astrology, and you tell him that it is haram, and it has been compared to disbelief in the hadith…would you be whining? It is impossible to offer an alternative form of ascribing baseless meaning about ones future to observing different aspects of Allah’s creation.

If someone was offering palm reading, and you told them it was shirk….would you be whining? You wouldn’t be able to offer an alternative of attempting to predict someone’s future…since it is not possible. Only Allah knows the unseen.

If someone was worshiping and circumnavigating a grave, and you told them they are engaged in shirk…would you be whining? You couldn’t offer an alternative false object of worship.

I haven’t read another copy of the Quran that has commentary. I just know that the commentary in that Quran is very bad. Your argument is also very bad. Pointing out the faults in that commentary is necessary because it could lead new Muslims or uneducated Muslims astray.

d28777  No.29332

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It is blatantly obvious that the people writing the commentary try to explain away anything that cannot be rationally explained in line with "science".

There are far worse sections of commentary.

ff4de0  No.29333



No, I mean offer up a better interpretation of Qur'an. If you haven't read any of the others, all you had to do was say so in the beginning. Never lodge a complaint without offering an alternative solution.

d28777  No.29336

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I have read several different translations of the Quran. Pic related is a recent translation and widely believed to be one of the best.

If you are looking for an interpretation of the meanings of the Quran, then you would be looking for a tafsir. There are several different tafsirs of the Quran on youtube and there are many in book form. One of the best ones is Tafsir Ibn Kathir.


That copy of the Quran is better than nothing, but the things they say in the commentary…..they contradict hadith and other supporting verses in the Quran just to try and make its meaning more palatable to people who have a hard time believing in the unseen aspects of Islam.

b67f1a  No.29341


Anon from >>29303 here. I want a translation with no commentary, if possible. Only as accurate and precise of translation to English as possible.

d28777  No.29349


Any translation of the Quran you could find access to would do. Some are slightly better worded than others, since it is impossible to translate the entirety of the meanings of the Arabic to any other language. Even if you just read the translation part of the Quran the other anon suggested, it would be better worded than a few of the other translations I have seen. You can get the general idea of what is meant from the translation, but to get the complete meaning you would need to write several extra sentences of additional information for many of the verses in the Quran.

The word Quran literally means recitation. At first it was only orally recited and memorized, later on it was completely compiled into a book after the Prophet (PBUH) passed away. When I first reverted, I listened to an audiobook of the Quran where they recited the Arabic, then followed each verse with an English translation. That way you could hear the beauty and eloquence of the Quran, in the way it was originally delivered to the people.

be625c  No.29366


>ahmadi heretic commentary

into the trash it goes

6107bf  No.29384

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I love Islam so much that I have started eating more vegetables now, of all things, just because I want to live to age 100 or so, hopefully I can learn as much as possible for me in such time.

985e8f  No.29401


Hi, this is the best I've come across;


Difference between quran.com and this one;

This one;

Alif-Lam-Mim. [These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur'an and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings].


Alif, Lam, Meem.

The additional info that you need is there, but it is not overbearing.

ff4de0  No.29402

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You can select the Mushin Khan translation at quran.com. It's in the settings. The only major one its missing is the Arberry interpretation, but that is easily found at


b67f1a  No.29425


>These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur'an and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings

So, is speculation on their meaning considered an affront to Allah, or encouraged?

3392ca  No.29487


>Islam made me eat more vegtables

May Allah (swt) continue to bless you with wisdom,anon!

045739  No.29572

My libido is through the roof. Nofap doesn’t help because now I’m even more obsessive over girls. I don’t know… will I lose (contain) my libido after a while? Day 3.

ff4de0  No.29575


Masturbation, in and of itself, is not haram. Pornography is, but rubbing your own organ is no different than rubbing your arm. It's yours. If you want to rub it, do so. Just keep it private and make sure you wash thoroughly before prayer. "NoFap" is a really stupid /r9k/ meme and being ashamed of your own body is a Jewish lie.

In short: it is good to avoid it because it can lead to pornography and other lusts. Get married ASAP. But it isn't out right forbidden.

d28777  No.29591

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The difference between rubbing your arm and rubbing your penis is that you don't ejaculate and enter a state of janaba from rubbing your arm.

There is quite a bit of evidence that suggests that it is haram.


Masturbation messes with your testosterone levels and it has several negative health effects.


Just stick to it. It is very difficult during the first week. After 2 weeks it gets much easier. After 3 weeks you will notice a great difference in the way you feel and think. It is worth it. I had a hard time quitting at first, and I just kept trying. It took a couple of attempts. I haven't masturbated in over 2 years. I stopped counting. But yes, you should get married. It is easier to control your thoughts when you are in a state when you haven't masturbated in at least a month.

ff4de0  No.29605


>Masturbation messes with your testosterone levels

Yeah, if you're doing it 5x per day, of course it does. It has no effect on a person who does it once or twice a week.

d28777  No.29606



>Masturbation, in and of itself, is not haram

Prove what you have said with evidence from the Quran and hadith.

ff4de0  No.29607


Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal regards semen as an excretion of the body like other excreta, and permits its expulsion the same way bloodletting is permitted. Ibn Hazm holds the same view. Hanbali jurists permit masturbation under either of the following conditions: 1) Fear of committing fornication or adultery, or 2) Not having the means to marry.




Unless you're somehow more enlightened than the scholars and the sahabah, then you'll know that it is makruh, not entirely haram.

d28777  No.29608


I am not implying that I am more enlightened that scholars or the Sahaba. I just think that you should take into consideration the fact that the Prophet (peace be upon him) advised people to fast as a means of controlling their sexual desires. He suggested fasting, not anything else. There are other hadith stating that the one who “marries his hand” is cursed and the one who masturbates will be brought up on the day of resurrection having his hand pregnant. The point is it’s debatable. The Prophet (peace be upon him) advised that a believer should stay away from things that are questionable, and that issue is VERY questionable.

When you say that masturbating is probably not haram, maybe it is only disliked, it isn’t a strong incentive to stop doing it. Someone needs to believe something is wrong before they can develop the willpower to change.

Quitting masturbating isn’t an easy task. It is very difficult. I had to try several times before I was able to quit for a long period of time. But it is necessary to know in the back of your mind that it is haram, and that is what I still believe. I didn’t masturbate for over 2 years before I got married. As for the testosterone issue, I know from personal experience that when I had a wet dream, I did not have as much energy as I usually did for a few days afterwards. It is easy to tell when your job involves a lot of physical labor. Once you make it over the hurdle of not masturbating for a few weeks, it becomes much easier. You have better thoughts and you feel much better not doing that. I never would have been able to stop if deep down I thought that doing it might be acceptable in Islam.

d28777  No.29610


Also I have never seen, in any of the narrations about purifying oneself from a state of janaba, a mention of masturbation. They explicitly state “after one has a wet dream or after having relations with one’s spouse.” Those are the only 2 things mentioned, because those are the only acceptable ways of being in a state of janaba. It does not explain how to purify yourself after commiting zina or after commiting adultery, because those are not acceptable actions. It does not mention masturbation when talking about being Junub and having to take a Ghusl afterwards.

ff4de0  No.29611


>Someone needs to believe something is wrong before they can develop the willpower to change.

Perhaps, but we are not allowed to declare haram that which Allah has not declared haram. Not even the Prophet(pbuh) is allowed to do so.

I'm not saying it's 100% great and everyone should be polishing the bishop every day. All I'm saying is that a Muslim should not fall into the trap of "nofap" under the guise of it being haram. It's ok to do it under certain circumstances, making it makruh and not haram.

d28777  No.29613


The general principle in Islam is that if you are given the choice between 2 evils, you choose the lesser of the 2 evils. Obviously masturbating is the lesser evil when the choice is between that and committing zina. You should consider all the available evidence before making a decision. And there are scholars and evidence that support the position that it is haram.

ff4de0  No.29614


I gotta be honest with you, akhi. If someone can't handle nofap for 2 days without getting hypertensive and begging for help, then they are in genuine danger of zina and should probably just go ahead and relieve themselves.

However, 90% of the "nofap" people we see here are the /r9k/ or /b/ meme followers and don't really have any connection to Islam. They're just looking for an excuse to avoid their sexual addiction when they should be looking for, perhaps, a doctor to help them out.

3212b6  No.29615


>There are other hadith stating that the one who “marries his hand” is cursed and the one who masturbates will be brought up on the day of resurrection having his hand pregnant.

Can you post these hadiths along with authentication?

d28777  No.29616


They are in the link I posted. http://www.islamicacademy.org/html/Articles/English/Masterbation_and_Islam.htm

Allama Mahmood Alussi (may Allah be pleased with him) narrates in Ruh-ul-Ma’ni: “Atta (may Allah be pleased with him) says that I have heard that on the Day of Judgment one group will be brought in such a way that their hands will be pregnant. I think they are the masturbators.” Allama Alussi further says: Saéed bin Jubayr (may Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Prophet (Allah’s Grace & Peace be upon him) said: “Allah Exalted will inflict punishment on a group of people because they misused their private parts.” (Ruh-ul-Ma'ni p. 291)

Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Prophet of Allah (may Allah be pleased with him) said: “The person who performs marriage [nikah] with his hands (i.e. masturbates) is cursed.” (Fatawa Razaviyya, Vol. 10, p.80)


Mufti Waqar-ud-din Al-Qadri (Hanfi) writes in “Waqar-ul-Fatawa” (Vol. 1, P. 269): “If a person is overpowered by sexual desire such that there is fear of him becoming involved in adultery or he is not capable of marrying or his wife is so far that he can't go there. Then it is hoped there is no punishment for the one doing this [masturbation]. It is written in “Durr-e-Mukhtar” (Vol. 2, Pp 109) (by Sheikh Alla’ud Din Muhammed son of Ali Haskiffi, died 1088H): ‘If there is fear of committing adultery then it is hoped that there is no punishment on the one doing this (masturbation)’. Allama (Syed Mohammed Amin Ash-Shaheerba Bin Abideen) Shammi, (may Allah’s mercy be upon him, died 1253H) has also argued on this quite a lot and decided that if he does this with the intention of saving himself from committing sin it will not be a sin and if he does it with the intention of enjoyment he will be a sinner.”

d28777  No.29617

I admit, I decided to stop when I was about 29-30 years old so I’m sure I didn’t have as strong a desire as someone who is younger. But I didn’t decide to do it because of the “nofap” reasons or people who are trying to espouse that way of thinking. I did it because I saw the evidence that it is haram and made the decision to quit. I would prefer to go through a period of discomfort for a time than have an unnecessary action like masturbation to worry about on the day of resurrection.

The first time I tried to stop it was extremely difficult. I only made it a few days. Then I felt really bad about giving up so quickly and tried again. I made it a little over a week. I tried again and almost made it a month. I tried again and made it 2 months. After that time I felt very bad, it even made me feel physically bad. Then I completely quit. After you quit for a long period of time you feel way better. It is way easier to be confident and to control yourself and your thoughts around women when you aren’t masturbating. That might sound ridiculous when feeling extreme urges after a couple days, but it is the truth.

Don’t go to nofap places or threads for support if you are going to attempt to stop. Just fast and try to do the best you can and don’t give up. Listen to or read the Quran and Islamic things for encouragement. This is what I originally read that made me decide to stop. https://www.islamicboard.com/advice-amp-support/134303736-overcome-masturbation.html?highlight=masturbation

3212b6  No.29618


With all due respect, you don't think it's strange that masturbation is on the same level as incest with your mother??! That hadith is obviously not authentic. But I still looked it up and to no surprise, it wasn't. See: http://fatwa.islamweb.net/fatwa/index.php?page=showfatwa&Option=FatwaId&Id=10353

There is no hadith explicitly forbidding it, which is why scholars like Ibn Hazm considered it permissible.

d28777  No.29619


I assume you are referring to the other hadith in the link

Imam Shamsuddin Zahabbi (may Allah be pleased with him) narrates a Prophetic narration that, “Seven people are such that Allah has cursed them and He will not even cast a look of mercy upon them on the Day of Judgment. Allah will tell them to enter Hell with the people who are going to Hell, except those who repent.

1. One who performs the act of sodomy.

2. One upon whom the act of sodomy is performed.

3. One who does bad deeds with animals.

4. One who marries his mother or sister.

5. One who masturbates.” (The words of the hadith says these seven people but lists five - Kitab-ul-Kaba’ir p.48)

It does not imply that those sins are on the same level. It just says that Allah will not even look at them on the day of resurrection. Someone who hits or abuses animals is also included. It seems obvious that some of those sins are worse than others. There is a similar hadith with different sins mentioned. It is in Sahih Al-Bukhari, 3.557 Narrated Abu Huraira

The Prophet (saws) said, “There are three types of people whom Allah will neither talk to, nor look at, on the Day of Resurrection.

(They are):

1. A man who takes an oath falsely that he has been offered for his goods so much more than what he is given.

2. A man who takes a false oath after the ‘Asr prayer in order to grab a Muslim’s property

3. A man who withholds his superfluous water. Allah will say to him, “Today I will withhold My grace from you as you withheld the superfluity of what you had not created.

I do not think that those sins are all equal, not is it implied that they are on an equal level.

Are you going to ignore the other hadith that are listed because one of them is inauthentic? Anyone can find an Islamic ruling supporting any action they want to undertake if they look hard enough. That is fatwa shopping. It is better if you objectively look at the evidence without giving preference to what is an easier action to do.

If you read through the entire thread in https://www.islamicboard.com/advice-amp-support/134303736-overcome-masturbation.html there is an abundance of information of why one shouldn’t masturbate.

3212b6  No.29621


>It does not imply that those sins are on the same level.

It kind of does.

>Someone who hits or abuses animals is also included.

Lol it refers to bestiality, not hitting an animal. The (fabricated) hadith is grouping masturbation together with bestiality and incest.

>I do not think that those sins are all equal

Being stingy and not sharing water and making false oaths are closer to each other than masturbation and bestiality and incest.

>Are you going to ignore the other hadith that are listed because one of them is inauthentic?

All of them are fabricated, that's the the thing. I just commented on the most absurd one.

>That is fatwa shopping.

>It is better if you objectively look at the evidence

How is rejecting FABRICATED hadiths fatwa shopping???! First you demand someone to bring evidence from Quran and sunnah. So are fabricated hadiths sunnah now?

3212b6  No.29622


>Anyone can find an Islamic ruling supporting any action they want

Likewise anyone can find an Islamic ruling calling any action haraam. Fatwa shopping goes both ways. Actually since the basis is that things are halal not haram, then looking for fatwas that say something is haram is more likely to be fatwa shopping than the opposite.

d28777  No.29627


I am not going to argue with you on your first statements because it isn’t relevant to the issue at hand.

>All of them are fabricated, that's the one thing.

This hadith that is with the others is from Sahih Muslim. I doubt that you are suggesting that it is fabricated, it is more likely you didn’t read all of them, because they contradict the belief you already hold and are not willing to question.

Abdullah bin Masood (may Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Holy Prophet (Allah’s Grace & Peace be upon him) said: “O group of youth! Whoever from among you can marry should do so because it keeps the gaze low and it protects the private parts. And he who cannot marry should fast because fasting breaks lust.” (Muslim – Book of Marriage)

That is exactly how it is on the link that I posted.

It is also In Sahih Bukhari.

We were with the Prophet (ﷺ) while we were young and had no wealth whatever. So Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "O young people! Whoever among you can marry, should marry, because it helps him lower his gaze and guard his modesty (i.e. his private parts from committing illegal sexual intercourse etc.), and whoever is not able to marry, should fast, as fasting diminishes his sexual power."

Notice how in the hadith there is no mention of how someone should masturbate because it is an elevation of his desires. You would think that if it was an acceptable action they would have mentioned it, but they didn’t. The Prophet (PBUH) said to fast.


Fatwa shopping is used by people to try and justify taking an EASIER course of action. Quitting masturbating is not easy. But I think it is the right thing to do in accordance with Islamic teachings. If you want to believe that it is acceptable because Ibn Hazm and other scholars thought it was, go ahead. But any Muslim who wants to do such actions should at least consider contradicting evidence.

d28777  No.29628


Seriously, if someone is actually fasting and trying to control their desires, but they slip every once and a while and end up masturbating, they are in a far better position than someone who is just wacking off and not fasting. Because one thing is certain, you can’t wack off and fast at the same time. And fasting is the recommended action for someone who cannot marry.

3212b6  No.29632


>doubt that you are suggesting that it is fabricated, it is more likely you didn’t read all of them

Every hadith you posted that explicitly forbade masturbation are fabricated. So it's a bit ironic that you then go asking others to prove from the Quran and sunnah that something is haram(when the onus of proof is on you in the first place).

>You would think that if it was an acceptable action they would have mentioned it

You'd think that if it was a forbidden action there'd be a single authentic hadith explicitly forbidding it.

>Fatwa shopping is used by people to try and justify taking an EASIER course of action

And who defined this term? Allah? Or you? I define it as picking a more difficult course of action. Prove to me that your definition is more authentic than mine. Prove that the default position in Islam is haram and difficulty. Go ahead.

>Quitting masturbating is not easy.

So? Divorce is very easy, you just say a word. Is divorce haram? That's not good reasoning.

>If you want to believe that it is acceptable because Ibn Hazm and other scholars thought it was, go ahead.

Of course you're the only one following the sunnah(albeit through fabricated hadiths), whereas everyone else is just fatwa shopping. Give me a break.

>But any Muslim who wants to do such actions should at least consider contradicting evidence.

The contradicting evidence should be valid.

d28777  No.29639


I can tell you are angry because of the way you have to try and pick apart everything that I say and imply that I am saying things that I am not. Just chill out bro. I wasn’t accusing you of fatwa shopping in the first place. I was just mentioning the general concept. I was not trying to demean the opinion of Ibn Hazm or your opinion. I think you are assuming hostility in the things that I am saying, when there isn’t any.

A good example of fatwa shopping is someone who wants to buy a house. He doesn’t have enough money to buy it all at once so the only option he has is to take a loan from a bank with interest. Usury is impermissible, but some scholars will tell you it is okay if it is a necessity. So then all he has to do is look around for a scholar that defines buying a home as a necessity. The only real halal option in that situation is to rent a place, even though it might be more expensive. That way you aren’t dealing in usury.

The books that the two hadith dealing with masturbation are from are Fatawa-eRazvia and Ruh Al-Ma’ani. I doubt that you can with absolute certainty declare that they are 100% fabricated. They may be weak, but just because a hadith is weak does not mean you can just automatically dismiss it. Take those hadith with the other Sahih hadith that mention fasting and the state of janaba and that is what I base my opinion from. I am not claiming that I am the only one following the Sunnah.

3212b6  No.29640



Come on man, act your age.

>I wasn’t accusing you of fatwa shopping in the first place.

Yes you were, hence you said

>Are you going to ignore…

Addressing me.

>A good example of fatwa shopping

There are no good examples because it's just a scare tactic people use when they don't have any actual facts.

>I doubt that you can with absolute certainty declare that they are 100% fabricated.

I never claimed that. Stop arguing with strawmen.

>They may be weak, but just because a hadith is weak does not mean you can just automatically dismiss it.

Except that hadiths in question were rated as "completely baseless" by the muhaddiths I linked to. I'd say that's a pretty dismissive answer.

d28777  No.29641


I am not arguing that you are wrong. I am explaining why I believe that masturbation is haram, using evidence. If you don’t like that evidence that is your choice. Even if I am wrong, I am accepting weak hadith to base my opinion on, and there is nothing wrong with that.

3212b6  No.29643


It's fine for you to accept weak and fabricated hadiths as long as they support your opinions, but then you complain that other people are fatwa shopping.

d28777  No.29644

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Seriously bro, I was not intending to accuse you of fatwa shopping. I said “Anyone can find an Islamic ruling supporting any action they want to undertake if they look hard enough. THAT is fatwa shopping.” Your position has evidence from notable scholars and has real evidence. It isn’t like you are proclaiming some ridiculous Shia or Sufi position from a far astray sect of those groups. And it isn’t like you are trying to justify dealing in usury or something that is clearly haram.

But you shouldn’t act like the point of view that masturbation is haram is “completely baseless”. A far greater number of scholars hold the position that it is haram. I was trying to offer advice on how to stop, because I saw great benefit from it, even though it was difficult.

I’m sorry if you are having trouble finding a wife, akhi. May Allah help you to find a good wife.

8d57d6  No.29687

If a man accidentally touches menstrual blood does he have to make ghusl?

000000  No.29696


What's the ruling on making video games? In this video, at the beginning, it says that it is haram to sell games according to sharia, or at least that is what I understood.

be625c  No.29705


It's najis, but whether you just clean the part that it touched or a full ghusl im not sure.


He's right, but I would add that making games that teach Islam/Muslim history or encourage fighting in the way of Islam (like the fps games that glorify the american army) then its allowed.

2b1fb8  No.29714

Any of you ever feel lonely.

Some people have got lives in the gutter, are poor, stuff like that. But at least they have family. Mine own is disgusting kuffar (which is their choice… fine) who never once taught me religion or even spent time with me. I won’t be bitter. I appreciate some of my own relatives. But I was clearly an unwanted kid to a couple of marijuana smoking middle class yuppies who just wanted to ☻ and not realizing they’d have to deal with the consequences for the next 18-25 years. People live blissfully in their ignorance. My father literally advised me when I was growing up to start drinking and smoking because that was how he thought I would make friends. But what if you aren’t happy being some disgusting drunk? He was never around to raise me. He was always at a sports bar and when he came home he would make perverted comments towards my sisters (one who turned into a childless alcoholic and the other a lesbian) and hit me. I was on the wrong path for so long because all I knew was to avoid becoming like him but nothing else. I began injecting steroids at 18 and realized narcissism didn’t make me happy either. I broke up with the only girl I ever loved and who ever loved me because I thought she wasn’t good enough for me. Now 2 years later I have no idea if she even exists and if she is somewhere she’s probably forgotten or moved on. I could have married her. I try to get over it by realizing that eventually I have come to accept islam and this is predetermined and I’m thankful I narrowly escaped the downward spiral. But I still haven’t even been to the mosque. I’m too self centered to just go and worship without being scared of what people think of me. I have not even finished reading the Quran and 90% of what I know is only from Sunnah. So I’ve managed to do surface level stuff like stop taking photographs and no music and stuff but have not even actually prayed once. All I want is to go to the mosque. I will make myself go before the end of this month. I am just embarrassing myself

2b1fb8  No.29716


I should add that I don’t feel depressed. I am optimistic.

109515  No.29717


> But I still haven’t even been to the mosque. I’m too self centered to just go and worship without being scared of what people think of me

So go to the mosque and worship in fear of what people will think of you, without fear of Allah, with a distracted mind dwelling on sinful things, for the gratification of your own petty ego. Because guess what? Such a form of worship is still better then no worship at all. We all start off weak on our feet, slaves to our nafs, petty and envious, bitter at our lot in life, but through Islam, through submission to the will of God, even if that submission is only outward at first, we move forward, step by faltering step toward real piety and the good pleasure of Allah (swt), inshallah. From the sound of it you've had a pretty tough upbringing, and I really do sympathize with you, so I apologize if my tone sounds harsh. Don't trust in your own righteousness, trust in Allah (swt). If there's anything I can help you with I will gladly do so, please don't hesitate to ask.

d28777  No.29719

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I think you should work on learning how to pray. The prayer was the first thing that the Prophet (PBUH) and his companions used to teach new Muslims. Work on getting the motions down first, since memorizing Al-Fatiha and the other things will take you a while. Just say what you are able to at first, even if it is only Alhamduillah, Subhan Allah, and Allahu Akbar. Performing the prayer is really important.

26f16b  No.29720


Those are excellent. I'm going to take those and sticky them.

be625c  No.29723


Brother we are all laymen here, and no muslim is an angel. You might not have had ideal parents, but at least you saw the error in their ways and avoided it. And alhamdulillah, Allah (swt) guided you through his grace and mercy to tawheed. Now that you know your purpose in life, as muslims, we should be thankful as that is the greatest gift. I would recommend finishing the quran obviously, but also pushing yourself as you said, to visit the masjid inshaAllah. And perhaps you shall find a wife superior to the woman you lost. And as for you parents, stay in contact with them, keep respecting that for it is an obligation in islam, you must serve them until they pass.DO NOT look at them with contempt. And it could also be an avenue for dawah to guide them to the right way of life and make them abandon their bad addictions.

17: Sūrat l-isrā (The Night Journey) (17:22-24)

22. Do not make [as equal] with Allah another deity and [thereby] become censured and forsaken.

23. And your Lord has decreed that you not worship except Him, and to parents, good treatment. Whether one or both of them reach old age [while] with you, say not to them [so much as], "uff," and do not repel them but speak to them a noble word.

24. And lower to them the wing of humility out of mercy and say, "My Lord, have mercy upon them as they brought me up [when I was] small."

000000  No.29740

If somebody has a noble title (lord, marquis) would one have to get rid of it to be Muslim?

ff4de0  No.29741


That's a really neat question. I have no idea, to be honest; but it's a really good question. Islam doesn't really have titles of nobility in and of itself, though some Muslim countries do assign titles handed down by birth. I'm going to say probably not, but it would require more research.

2dce1e  No.29742

Hello everyone.

Former atheist here who was raised Roman Catholic, I've been drawn to religion over the last few years. I looked into Islam briefly about a year ago but quickly became drawn to Christianity and Traditional Catholicism. I just finished reading through the New Testament (this morning actually) and after completing it and having learned a lot of the basics I'm still not really sure of it.

And strangely enough I've found myself thinking about Islam over the past few days. I'm about to start reading a copy of the Quran I have, but figured I'd post here as well.

Does anyone have any advice for looking into Islam, like where to begin with it? A lot of the terminology is foreign to me, but I read a short apologetics book awhile ago so I'm familiar with some of the basics.

I'm specifically interested in more traditional or conservative movements like Salafism.

Also do any of you have opinions on Rene Guenon? Was his perrenialist approach uncommon or does it make sense in terms of Sufism and mysticism.

Thanks in advance, any help will be appreciated

f2a2ea  No.29743


>Does anyone have any advice for looking into Islam, like where to begin with it?

I would say the quran first and foremost, and check out islamqa.info, they cover almost every question and it's salafist.

>A lot of the terminology is foreign to me, but I read a short apologetics book awhile ago so I'm familiar with some of the basics.

Wikipedia is also good for a general understanding of Islamic terminology.

>Also do any of you have opinions on Rene Guenon? Was his perrenialist approach uncommon or does it make sense in terms of Sufism and mysticism.

Islam does not deny some truth remains in abrahamic religions, and possibly in non abrahamic ones. Since we believe that from the beginning of the human race, God sent messengers to all tribes with the same monotheist message, thus in time, even with the alteration of that main message, some of the truths still survive. That's why we see some common societal values across many cultures. I don't know much about Rene, but I do know he was a sufite and part of the occult Martinist Order. His unhealthy interest in hinduism also makes me suspicious. So I would not take him as a proper Islamic teacher. And Allah knows best.

ff4de0  No.29744


>where to begin

By reading Qur'an. Absolutely nothing else matters until you've read Qur'an. Don't worry about schools of thought, sects, apologetics, or mysticism until you've read Qur'an.

Then you need to study the Sunnah and the scholars.


Sufism is not a branch of Islam. It is a way of approaching Islam. You can't just be Sufi.

>Rene Geunon

He read Qur'an. Also, I'm pretty sure we have a thread on him somewhere.

2dce1e  No.29745



Thanks both of you, I will start on the Quran now and look through the site there once I'm done.

Will look for the guenon thread as well, I'm skeptical of him but also find his perspective interesting.

000000  No.29749

Hello I got two questions, one more serious than the other: if you lose wudu during prayer, should one first say salam to the right then go make wudu again or should one immediately go make wudu without saying salam and start praying again?

Second question(less important): If people suddenly got superpowers like in Heroes, would it be haram to use them? Would it be considered magic?

ff4de0  No.29750


Go and do wudu and then start the prayer again from the beginning - unless you break wudu deliberately, then the prayer is invalidated.

As for superpowers, well, it's impossible to know since it's not something that has ever happened. It's a hypothetical and Islam doesn't deal with things that cannot happen.

985e8f  No.29895

Hi, I have some trouble with this:

"O Prophet (Muhammad )! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (captives or slaves) whom your right hand possesses - whom Allah has given to you, and the daughters of your 'Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your 'Ammah (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khalah (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her; a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (captives or slaves) whom their right hands possess, - in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (33 - 50)

I feel that there should never be any difference in the way God treats his creations, so accepting this is hard for me.

Could someone change my mind?

da6dd6  No.29902


Yes, God makes exceptions wherever they are necessary. Muhammad (saws) is not the only person in history who was allowed to do exceptional things. Al-Khidr (as) is another example, even more extreme, God allowed him to murder and destroy property. Muhammad (saws) was allowed to engage in these marriages to set certain examples (e.g. it's ok to marry older divorced/widowed women and there shouldn't be any stigma, it's ok to marry jewish and christian women, it's ok to marry an adopted son's divorcee etc), and in order to make crucial tribal alliances.

8546df  No.29904


The Prophet PBUH said that a group of his Ummah will remain upon the truth until the day of Ressurection. He also predicted that the time we are living in, with all its circumstances would come.

I would suggest you refrain from slandering every Muslim on earth, commiting the major sin of suicide, or suggesting that other Muslims do so.

It is narrated that the Prophet (sallallahu ‘alayhi wassallam) said, “When a man says to his companion ‘O you Kaafir,‘ then this would be necessarily binding upon one of the two. If the man who was called a kaafir is actually one, then he would be a kaafir; otherwise whatever the caller said would return upon him.

Allah forgives sins committed out of ignorance, so I would also suggest you go read a book and be quiet.

11274d  No.29915


>Muhammad (saws) was allowed to engage in these marriages to set certain examples

This makes a lot of sense, thanks.

f2a2ea  No.29930


>The Prophet PBUH said that a group of his Ummah will remain upon the truth until the day of Ressurection.

And they will be fighters:

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “My ummah is an ummah which carries out the commands of Allaah; those who let them down or differ from them do not harm them and they will keep adhering to this path until the Day of Judgement.”

Mu‘aawiyah and ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with them) reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: ‘A group of my ummah will continue victoriously adhering to the truth until the Last Hour begins.’”

Al-Mugheerah ibn Shu‘bah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) say: “Some people of my ummah will remain victorious over the people until the decree of Allaah reaches them.”

‘Imraan ibn Husayn (may Allaah be pleased with him) said that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “A group of my ummah will continue fighting for the truth, and will prevail over those who oppose them, until the last of them will kill al-Maseekh al-Dajjaal (the Liar or Anti-Christ).”

000000  No.30040

Hello, I have a question concerning zakaat and taxes. In France, if you earn 200 000 euros and you have to pay 45% in taxes, do you calculate the zakaat based on the 200 000 euros or based on the 55% (110 000 euros) you keep?

da6dd6  No.30042


To my understanding, zakat is a tax on wealth. You pay it after you've taken care of ALL your expenses and needs. It's a percentage of whatever wealth you have left over after that. I could be wrong.

41ddad  No.30091

Why are my questions and comments being deleted? o_o

ff4de0  No.30092


Well, it's a cyclical thread … are they older posts?

ff4de0  No.30093


I'm seeing 17 posts under your name. Obviously your IP changes from time to time. Were there more recent posts that have been deleted?

8c25df  No.30096


Yes, here are a few examples:

-= The other day, I made a thread about positive representation for Muslim women, using Ibtihaj Muhammad as an example. I don't think this is an unimportant subject, but thread was deleted…

-= I ask in this thread, how does one become an imam? I would consider it a great honor if I can one day teach Islam to others and lead prayer. But my question was deleted…

-= I see this question from a few months ago (>>28874) and I answer it, but my answer is deleted? Probably not a big deal, since the original question is a few months old and it was already answered by other posters, but it just seems to be continuing a pattern of my posts being arbitrarily deleted without explanation…

ff4de0  No.30104

File: 5219c8ef8aed4b4⋯.pdf (2.77 MB, Women in Islam.pdf)


>positive representation for Muslim women

I think I remember that thread. I recall replying with pdf related.

>how does one become an imam

Varies depending on school. Good topic deserving of its own thread, honestly.

>posts being arbitrarily deleted

That shouldn't happen. There should be no prejudice against any user unless they're spamming or posting porn.

0c279b  No.30115

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I’m the guy who keeps arguing with his parents. My mother definitely hates Islam. She pretends she is tolerant of it because she is a white liberal who collects experiences with brown people like Pokémon cards. She keeps telling me she has a classmate named Muhammad and this and that and basically acts like she’s an authority on Islam. I mentioned that this coworker of hers is literally just paying for a degree with his petrodollar allowance like most gulf Arabs do when they come here. She was also probably mad that her classmate Muhammad didn’t want to be her friend because she invited him to a party she literally threw for herself and he rebuffed her offer. When I told her this is because Muslims oppose intermingling (also we own a dog) she got super angry. You might think this sounds like a crazy story but it’s true unfortunately this women pays for for my college with money my dad gives her. Now she tells me Islam abuses women because they have to wear the hijab and this and that. I tell her Islam appreciates women but she says all religion is oppressive. I tell her this goes against her tolerance she pretends to have but she doesn’t listen. I didn’t talk to her for a week before this happened because this happens all the time. I guess I learned my lesson because I need to stop talking to her because she always finds and opportunity to argue. She told me I’m not welcome at the house anymore once I leave for college again so winter and summer I have to find a job. She might keep paying for tuition since my dad knows I will tell my aunts and uncles they’ve disowned me if they don’t at least pay for regional college. I sound very white trash but yes my parents might be trash but I am trying not to end up like that please guys who do I swallow my pride and go through their silly insults. I have learned some of my rights so when they threaten to kick me out I tell them to get a court notice and they decided not to.

0c279b  No.30116

I will try to give her a hug and stop talking about serious things with her. I am the ignorant person here for expecting others to understand things they don’t care about.

c81c93  No.30157

I got a question to our brothers in the UK. I kept hearing news about rape gangs and what not and I have to ask, is it true? If so…what the heck's going on over there that and what are our fellow brothers doing?

0eca8e  No.30158


Some pakis might have been part of grooming gangs. They're being tried for it, and if they were found to do it then they'll get what they deserve.

Outside that there are no rape gangs or sharia zones, and Muslims in the UK are as normal as anyone else. It's a one-off issue being overblown by the media and the anti-Muslim guys around here because they desperately need a reason to complain.

I'm in a town with a big Muslim population and everyone just gets along well enough. Local shops sell halal produce, and the town centre's market complex has a prayer room. Regardless of whatever arguments pop up on the Internet, in the real world nobody seems to have a problem with Islam.

c81c93  No.30160


Now that's a relief, brother. Guess I got played for the oldest trick in a book, repeat a lie long enough that it looks like almost factual.

e1d14f  No.30207


Be strong and keep calm brother. Allah won't test his follower over task that HE knows the person could not handle. My advice to you if they did end up kicking/not allowing you to return home, please, do not cut ties with them. Try to find a job (I pray you do and I hope with ease) and please, do keep contact with your parents/family, from time-to-time, call them, send letters. Who knows someday they will soften their hearts, inshaallah. You may have difference in ideology, but still, your mother is the one who carried you for months, birthed you, feeds you and raised you. Their path to islam is not like yours, but it might be through you. Inshaallah their hearts may be open. For now I would suggest you to stop having debates/arguments with them as it would/could strain your relationship even further.

596975  No.30232

hey guys, this is my first post on these forums. can anyone explain to me your understanding of what is meant by the "barrier and prohibiting partition" (from quran.com) mentioned in 25:53 (among some others, I believe)? thanks.

also, I'm a bit confused about how posting here works. can I start a new thread here or just posts?

496d7c  No.30233

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


Fresh water is less dense than salty water. In any situation where fresh water is above salty water, they don't mix. Embed related shows that off.

You could say that if you took a spoon to that mix of water, you could mix it up, and you would be right. If you move the saltier water above the fresh water enough, they will mix. The Quran specifically mentions seas here, and you'd need a much bigger spoon for that. While looking for that video I found a lot of videos by atheists who conveniently leave out the sea part and think they've disproved Islam. It's kinda sad.

Seas usually have layers of saltiness. As you go down, the pressure increases, which means the water can dissolve more salt in it, which lets the ocean get saltier and saltier as you approach the bottom. The easiest way to see that is with the brine pools at the bottom of the oceans, which you can see here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B_-yakR_4E

As for posting, one-off questions are better here. If you have something big enough to deserve proper discussion, try making a thread. Just check the catalog first in case one for your topic already exists.

596975  No.30239


thank you, I couldn't have asked for a better answer. I'm hoping to one day be able to read the original text myself, but my arabic is still in its infancy.

f2a2ea  No.30244

And He it is Who hath given independence to the two seas (though they meet); one palatable, sweet, and the other saltish, bitter; and hath set a bar and a forbidding ban between them. - 25:53

Is not He (best) Who made the earth a fixed abode, and placed rivers in the folds thereof, and placed firm hills therein, and hath set a barrier between the two seas? Is there any God beside Allah? Nay, but most of them know not! - 27:61

He hath loosed the two seas. They meet. - 55:19

There is a barrier between them. They encroach not (one upon the other). - 55:20

6eb9d9  No.30296

Is astrology haram?

ff4de0  No.30302


Astrology is a form of divination, which is haram.

596975  No.30303



then why does it say:

"Indeed, within the heavens and earth are signs for the believers." 45:3, and

"And how many a sign within the heavens and earth do they pass over while they, therefrom, are turning away." 12:105

and I think there is at least one even more apt that I can't find right now.

also, I don't think astrology is necessarily divination.

596975  No.30304

here's another one:

"Indeed, in the alternation of the night and the day and [in] what Allah has created in the heavens and the earth are signs for a people who fear Allah" 10:6

ff4de0  No.30305



Qur'an is not a cafeteria, where you can pick and choose ayat to support a narrative. Read the whole surah.

496d7c  No.30306


That's astroNOMY. Astronomy is the study of space itself, and how planets, stars and other things work. There is a lot to learn from astronomy, which is what the Quran is pointing out.

AstroLOGY is about using celestial bodies to try and predict the future. Astrology is about things like horoscopes, which do count as divination.

596975  No.30307


which sura are you referring to?

596975  No.30308


not necessarily about predicting the future, I think. but rather to learn about the influence of the heavenly bodies. trying to make some sense of the heavenly theatre above.

6eb9d9  No.30310


So it would only be haram if you used it to predict the future? What if you used it for insight on yourself, career advice (as in what career you are best suited for), psychological counseling etc, basically non-predictive things

596975  No.30311

"By the heaven containing pathways," 51:7

"Have they not looked at the heaven above them - how We structured it and adorned it and [how] it has no rifts?

And the earth - We spread it out and cast therein firmly set mountains and made grow therein [something] of every beautiful kind,

Giving insight and a reminder for every servant who turns [to Allah ]." 50:6-8

496d7c  No.30312


One specific form of divination that's called out in the Quran is "divining arrows". The pagans of Arabia would take a bunch of arrow shafts, write things like "yes" or "no" on them, and dump them in a bowl. Then when they needed a question answered, they'd reach in and pick one. Astrology is a similar idea, but using patterns in space instead of a bowl of sticks.

If you need it for insight or psychological counseling, astrology usually becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you're told how people of your star sign tend to behave, you end up automatically picking up on that behavior. If you want insight or counseling, instead of a bunch of tropes to follow, you'll have better luck asking for advice from others.


If you mean understanding things like Allah and his throne, and the angels, and other parts of the religion that exist outside our understanding, that's fine. We're told to think about that, like you mentioned in >>30311 .

Astrology is specifically about trying to predict the future. It's a form of superstition, based off people trying to find patterns in things that are unrelated.

596975  No.30313


I certainly don't think astrology is specifically about trying to predict the future. it's not that silly. humans have always tried to predict the future, I suppose. astrology is just one of many tools that have been used for that. that doesn't mean that that is its purpose of main function.

what things are unrelated?

ff4de0  No.30314

Divination - the practice of seeking knowledge of the future or the unknown by supernatural means.

Any form of divination, including astrology, is 100% haram.

496d7c  No.30315


From Wikipedia:


Astrology is the study of the movements and relative positions of celestial objects as a means of divining information about human affairs and terrestrial events.


Divination (from Latin divinare "to foresee, to be inspired by a god",[2] related to divinus, divine) is the attempt to gain insight into a question or situation by way of an occultic, standardized process or ritual.[3] Used in various forms throughout history, diviners ascertain their interpretations of how a querent should proceed by reading signs, events, or omens, or through alleged contact with a supernatural agency.[4]

For an example, a shy person could be shy for any number of reasons. Our understanding of the world would say it's due to social anxiety, or because they aren't familiar with social interaction. Astrology would say it's because they're born in September. One source of info gives a specific explanation with proven links, the other is a guess based on a link that doesn't provide any useful information.

You could say there's a link between shyness and September based on Seasonal Annual Depression, but then you'd be using our understanding of the world instead of astrology.

Do you have any specific examples of using astrology outside predicting the future? Just so I understand what you mean.

596975  No.30316


supernatural means? what do you mean by that?

596975  No.30317


from thefreedictionary.com:


The study of the positions and motions of celestial bodies in the belief that they have an influence on the course of natural earthly occurrences and human affairs.

outside predicting the future? trying to understand and explain the past and present.

ff4de0  No.30318


Oh, you know, like using patterns of stars to decide if you should take a job or get married or whatever. Astrology is haram and nothing you say can change that.

Declaring that which is haram to be halal nullifies your Islam. I suggest you stop this line of thinking and pray to Allah for guidance.

596975  No.30320


I suggest you stop telling me (and others) what to do, as you obviously have a very shallow understanding of things.

496d7c  No.30321


>in the belief that they have an influence on the course of natural earthly occurrences and human affairs.

To an extent they do. Tides happen because of the sun and the moon, and both provide us with light. If you mean like that, that's astronomy rather than astrology.

As for understanding the past and present, could you give an example? How would you determine that something has happened in human history based off the movement of celestial bodies?

ff4de0  No.30322


I understand that Allah forbids divination of any kind. To claim that you know the Unseen makes you a non-Muslim and, as a non-Muslim, this board is not for you. I suggest /rel/ or /fringe/ or /wicca/.

596975  No.30323


well, there is the horoscope thing. how the heavenly bodies are positioned at the time of birth, and how this correlates with personality traits etc. I am no expert on this, but I understand that much effort has been put into making sense into how the appearance of the heavenly bodies correlate to events and affairs on earth. nothing wrong with this, as long as it's done in a serious manner with humbleness, is my take on it. it's a beautiful thing, how the heavenly bodies move in patterns and cycles. the study of this is the foundation of astrology.

ff4de0  No.30324

Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy upon him) said in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa:

"The science of the stars and the so-called rising and setting of the stars, and reading the palm, reading the cup, and reading lines, and so on, which are claimed by the fortunetellers and magicians, are all among the sciences of the Jaahiliyyah (Pre-Islamic Era of Ignorance) which Allah and His Messenger sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) have forbidden. Islam invalidated all such practices and warned people against them and against going to those who practice them, asking them about it, or believing in anything they say, because it is part of the knowledge of the Unseen, which only Allah knows.

My advice to everyone who relies on such practices is to repent to Allah and to seek His Forgiveness, and to rely on Allah Alone and trust Him in all matters while using the legitimate means and permissible tangible causes, and to stay away from these practices and beware of asking those who practice them or believing what they say, as a way of obedience to Allah and His Messenger sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) and as a way of preserving one’s religion and Creed, and to avoid incurring the Wrath of Allah upon him, and staying away from the causes of Shirk and Kufr, which, if one dies while practicing them or believing in them, then he indeed loses this world and the Hereafter." [Majmoo’ Al-Fataawa, 2/120-122]

596975  No.30325


I understand that you have to be rather shallow to reduce the concept of astrology into divination.

I have claimed no such thing.

ff4de0  No.30326


Your post here >>30323 proves that you use astrology as a form of divination and believe in its use. You're not Muslim and are clearly only here to spread falsehood and kufr lies.

596975  No.30327


the study of the movement of the heavenly bodies is the foundation of astrology. I don't see a problem with that. drawing wrong conclusions based on these movements can get you into trouble though. I'm not into divination. I like surprises.

and you don't have the sense to tell who is a muslim and who's not.

596975  No.30328

Nay, I swear by the places of the stars

And lo! that verily is a tremendous oath, if ye but knew 56:75-76

[And] who created seven heavens in layers. You do not see in the creation of the Most Merciful any inconsistency. So return [your] vision [to the sky]; do you see any breaks?

Then return [your] vision twice again. [Your] vision will return to you humbled while it is fatigued. 67:3-4

496d7c  No.30329


He has a point. Claiming that something forbidden is allowed shows a massive flaw in your faith, which would be enough to put you outside the fold of Islam. Divination is explicitly called out to be a sin in the same verse as alcohol, which is also haraam.

As for divination itself, you said in >>30323 that "much effort has been put into making sense into how the appearance of the heavenly bodies correlate to events and affairs on earth". The problem here comes from the term "correlation". That means that there's no actual mechanism or explanation behind them, just that there appears to be a link.

The biggest problem with this is that horoscopes become a self-fulfilling prophecy. If a person is told that their date of birth means they're supposed to be an extrovert, they'll subconsciously go out more. For a proper study, the University of Chicago found that telling women that they're worse at math than men made them perform worse.

The self fulfilling nature of astrology creates a snowball effect, where anything related to it is considered to be true because it's percieved as true by people who believe in it. Strip astrology down and try to objectively prove it and you'll find that it's just superstition.


The first part is swearing on the truth of the Quran. The second is Allah mentioning how he made the seven heavens, and nobody else could have. Neither of those verses have anything to do with astrology, aside from their mention of stars.

ff4de0  No.30331


There you go again misinterpreting Qur'an to justify your own personal narrative. You need to stop astrology and disregard it. It is a tool of the mushrikeen.

8546df  No.30333



It is narrated by Bukhari and Muslim, on the authority of Zaid Ibn Khalid Al-Juhani (ra) that he said: "Allah's Messenger (may Peace Be Upon Him) prayed the morning prayer with us in Al-Hudaibiyyah after it had rained during the night, and when he had finished, he addressed the people, saying: "Do you know what your Rabb said?" They said: "Allah and His Messenger (may Peace Be Upon Him) know best!" He (may Peace Be Upon Him) said: (Allah swt said:) "Some of My slaves this morning are true Believers in Me and others are disbelievers: As for those who say: "We have received rain from the Bounty of Allah and His Mercy," they are Believers in Me and disbelievers in the stars, while those who say: "We have received rain from the movements of such-and-such a star," are disbelievers in Me and believers in the stars."

Zaid Ibn Khalid (ra) tells us in this Hadith that the Prophet (may Peace Be Upon Him) led the people in fajr prayer in the area known as Al-Hudaibiyyah, after a night of rain. After the prayer, facing the people, He (may Peace Be Upon Him) addressed them, wishing to encourage them to do good and to increase their knowledge; He (may Peace Be Upon Him) told them that Allah had revealed to him that regarding the rain, the people are divided into two categories: (i) Those who thank Him and (ii) those who are ungrateful to Him. As for those who are grateful and believe in Him, they are the ones who attribute the blessing of rain to Allah ; and as for those who are ungrateful and disbelieve in Him, they are the ones who attribute the rainfall to the positions of the planets and stars.

f2a2ea  No.30334


AstroNOMY NOT astrology.

Astrology is pseudoscience that was created by mushrik magicians, it is not allowed in Islam.

Ibn 'Abbas (May Allah be pleased with them) said:

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "He who acquires a branch of the knowledge of astrology, learns a branch of magic (of which he acquires more as long as) he continues to do so."

[Abu Dawud]. Book 18, Hadith 161

Actually, Allah swt in the quran is clearly encouraging humans to study the cosmos as a science, which we call astronomy. It is a blessing and a sign, and has practical uses such as navigation, calculating the lunar month and solar seasons, holidays, time of prayers, eclipses, ect..

–sura 55, verse 5:

"The sun and moon (are subjected) to calculations"

–sura 6, verse 97:

"(God) is the One Who has set out for you the stars, that you may guide yourselves by them through the darkness of the land and of the sea. We have detailed the signs for people who know."

–sura 16, verse 16:

"(God sets on the earth) landmarks and by the stars (men) guide themselves."

10:5 He it is who has made the sun a [source of] radiant light and the moon a light [reflected], and has determined for it phases so that you might know how to compute the years and to measure [time]. None of this has God created without [an inner] truth. Clearly does He spell out these messages unto people of [innate] knowledge: -

Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve [lunar] months in the register of Allah [from] the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them. And fight against the disbelievers collectively as they fight against you collectively. And know that Allah is with the righteous [who fear Him]. 9:36

They ask thee, (O Muhammad), of new moons. Say: They are fixed seasons for mankind and for the pilgrimage. It is not righteousness that ye go to houses by the backs thereof (as do the idolaters at certain seasons), but the righteous man is he who wardeth off (evil). So go to houses by the gates thereof, and observe your duty to Allah, that ye may be successful - 2:189

It's clearly referring to mathematics and astroNOMY, because this science was a life saver especially for arabs who relied on the constellations for desert navigation. Also, every civilization used seasons for food production.

596975  No.30345


if only you could decide who is inside the fold of Islam.

we all know divination is bad, you don't have to keep repeating it. I say reducing astrology to being just divination is too silly.

you obviously have not given much interest to horoscopes. I'm not saying you should, but writing it off like that just shows your lack of experience with it.

calling astrology "just superstition" says more about you than about anything else. I'm fine with that.

596975  No.30346


I'm not doing astrology. I will not disregard it, however.

8546df  No.30348


>reducing astrology to being just divination is too silly.

If you think that the position of any created objects has anything at all to do with the outcome of completely unrelated events, or can somehow predict the future, that is divination. You are deriving meaning from things that have absolutely nothing to do with the future. Only Allah knows the future, and only Allah has control over what events are going to take place.

596975  No.30349


yea well, I don't think that "the position of any created objects has anything at all to do with the outcome of completely unrelated events, or can somehow predict the future".

however, it is obvious that the sun has an effect upon this earth and the life upon it, no? also the moon, yes?

496d7c  No.30350


So far all you've given us are Quranic verses taken out of context. When pressed, you've just responded with "predicting the past and present" and "muh horoscopes". I've given examples of how horoscopes are nonsense. You haven't given any reason to consider them, and after refusing to give us any info, you whine about how we "just don't get it".

>You obviously have not given much interest to horoscopes

I have. That's why I mentioned how they work. When someone is told that their type acts a certain way, they subconsciously adjust their behavior to match, even if it's bad for them. I also mentioned the UoC's study showing a similar effect that appears when you tell women they aren't good at maths.

For the last time, give us specific examples on what you mean. Give us examples of astrology that aren't divination and don't have anything to do with astronomy. Show us this information that's somehow so important that you're willing to skirt the boundaries of what's allowed in Islam. If you can't do that, put the horoscopes in the trash where they belong and embrace Islam instead.

596975  No.30351


I never said "predicting the past and present". that doesn't even make sense.

perhaps you have just confronted nonsensic horoscopes, of which I have no doubt there are many.

I'm not whining. seems to me more like you are.

you have not mentioned at all how horoscopes work.

divination is predicting the future. are you seriously claiming astrology is just about that?

I will be so bold as to claim that astronomy is just a part of astrology. as geology is the science of the earth, astrology is the science of what is outside of its atmosphere. that is what the word means.

496d7c  No.30352


>I never said "predicting the past and present"

trying to understand and explain the past and present: >>30317

And the rest is a whole not of no u and ignoring my posts. This isn't worth my time. Have fun with your star signs.

ff4de0  No.30353


>it is obvious that the sun has an effect upon this earth and the life upon it

Yes, but that's not astrology nor is it mystical. It's science.


>I will not disregard it

Then you're no better than the mushrikeen. We are commanded to cast out all such pagan nonsense.

6ed2df  No.30354


>astrology is the science of what is outside of its atmosphere

No, that's astronomy. Astrology is about star charts, birth signs, divination, how the stars affect human behavior, and all of that nonsense. Astronomy is an actual science and worthy of study. Astrology is pointless drivel and is also absolutely haram.

This conversation ends now. It has nothing to do with Islam.

596975  No.30355


what about the moon? I think that's pretty mystical..

596975  No.30356


not the stars so much as the planets. you don't think the moon affects human behavior? please.

(I said this ends now.)

8546df  No.30359


Sorry I just read the part about stopping the conversation.

8c25df  No.30429

I hope nobody thinks this is too dorky, but…. does anyone know where I can find a decorative scimitar online for relatively cheap? Especially one with a forked tip, like Ali's Zulfiqar?

When my boyfriend and I are moved together I'd like to be able to dedicate a space to the Quran and I was thinking about dressing a table with some fancy decorative cloth, and hanging a scimitar on the wall behind it. Maybe the table could have a drawer to keep a prayer rug and turbah in? Any thoughts on this?

3212b6  No.30431


>Especially one with a forked tip, like Ali's Zulfiqar?

That's not actually how it looked like, it's just a shi'i myth.

ff4de0  No.30434

91c993  No.30499




makes sense

41ddad  No.30565



I'm a woman.

91c993  No.30569


trans-women are considered men in islamic law, so no relationships with men are allowed

da6dd6  No.30592

File: a550d36a69f031b⋯.jpg (12.45 KB, 300x100, 3:1, banners.jpg)

whose idea was it to make pic related a banner and why? is this some kind of joke?

1c455d  No.30594


It's been a long time since I've bothered looking at the banners. Removed. People are welcome to submit 300x100 banners.

91c993  No.30606


I think it was the previous board volunteer who made it. Nothing wrong with it imo.

4cac76  No.30610


This is a board for moderate muslims, not extremist LARPers.

91c993  No.30612

4c92ed  No.30614


Don't label me, you dingdong! I'm a woman, nothing more and nothing less, :)

3212b6  No.30629


>rejects hadiths because they were written by men

>supports secularism and democracy

91c993  No.30636


Thing is you have a 'dingdong' and are mentally ill, may Allah have mercy on you or destroy you ameen.

499a41  No.30662


Islam is trans and nonbinary-inclusive, read the Hadith. Also my anatomy is none of your concern.


Ahaha "destroy" me? I am righteous in the eyes of Allah.

91c993  No.30665


Sodomy is a crime punishable by death. You are not righteous. You might be excused for your mental illness (gender dysphoria), that's the only hope you have until you stop and repent.

8c25df  No.30742

How important does everyone think it is for a Muslim to study combat arts? I think they are fun and very healthful, they promote healthy activity and also can teach the importance of self-defense. The Quran does tell us to be prepared to defend ourselves…

Recently I decided I want to start playing airsoft, as well as LARP swordfighting with padded swords. I'd love to do fencing, but fencing lessons are like $50 an hour :(

ff4de0  No.30751


I think there are more ways to defend one's self and one's religion through means other than physical. I do agree that physical health is important, but it's hard to tell a 70 year old man or an invalid in a wheelchair to start crossfit and be taken seriously. A strong mind and a quick wit have gotten me out of more fights than "being swole" could ever do.

8c25df  No.30793


>it's hard to tell a 70 year old man or an invalid in a wheelchair to start crossfit and be taken seriously

Well no, but we should do what we are able. Sports are great for developing mental discipline as well as physical; and you don't need to be "swole" to be a swordfighter, that's the beauty of it. I'm a fine swordswoman even though I have almost no muscle.

ff4de0  No.30796


Only sport I was ever good at is skateboarding. Haven't been on a board in 15 years, though.

ca9abb  No.30804

Do Muslims believe in the concept of "natural law"?

91c993  No.30809


God's law

ca9abb  No.30811


Natural law just means you can infer God's will through reason and observing nature and ourselves. The question is whether this is the case or if we need revelation to know good and evil in all cases.

ff4de0  No.30812


[definition needed]

ff4de0  No.30813


We can't infer anything. God told us exactly what to do. There is nothing to infer.

ca9abb  No.30814


So what do you make of the human conscience and our natural sense for right and wrong? Sure there are differences between cultures on some things, but there are many similarities, and an overall sense that good can be known and should be followed. Is that all just a human delusion?

ff4de0  No.30815


Allah owns us. Body, mind and soul. Right/wrong comes from the creator of all things. We submit ourselves and nothing more. Anyone who thinks they have free will is deluded. Allah controls us and we need to accept that.

ca9abb  No.30817


>Right/wrong comes from the creator of all things

That's precisely what I'm saying. God created man, his reason, his conscience, and the entire natural world. Natural law philosophy says that, therefore, man can infer right and wrong by studying these things since God created them.

da6dd6  No.30822

Do Muslims believe in a personal God or is he completely impersonal and transcendant? Can a Muslim have a personal relationship with God in the way that Christians claim to (forget the idea of a trinity, incarnation etc, im not talking about that)?

91c993  No.30823


Only to an extent, since humans are biased. We are all born with fitrah, or natural disposition to truth. That's why we consider babies sinless unlike christians. But you can't rely on the human mind/psyche alone to find complete truth, as you can't rely on the human body to feed itself. You need a provider of truth ,in other word's, God's revelations, to have a complete unbiased objective moral way of life.

91c993  No.30824


Define personal? If you mean some voices in my head then no. If you mean God wanting an eternal relationship with his creations then yes.

da6dd6  No.30886


Admittedly it is not an easy thing to define. I guess you can't really have a personal relationship with God if God isn't a person. A personal relationship is a relationship between two persons.

91c993  No.30887


He's with all human beings constantly, the quran says he's closer to us than our jugular vein. Meaning He (j.j) knows me more than any person could. Want to ask Allah (swt) something? Make du'a (prayer). Want to hear Allah (swt), listen to the quran. A muslim can experience his dua's being fulfilled and even have some dreams that can guide him or her.


God is a person.

54b0c6  No.30900


>God is a person

Be careful what you are saying, there is nothing like Allah

5aeddd  No.30908



>means he knows me

So he's not actually close to us and never will be.

So he's not here, he doesn't interact with us, and we can't know him or relate to him. So impersonal.

5aeddd  No.30909


Only persons can be personal.

91c993  No.30913


Indeed, but Allah (swt) has a consciousness and characteristics that belong only to him, he is one entity with a unique personality. In the quran, Jesus (as) tells him he does not know what is in Allah's self. But Allah (swt) knows what is in the self of Jesus.



I recognize this stick worshiper, stay in your containment thread where I have already refuted this claim. It's not like your 'god' chats with you daily. You're too simple minded to pray to a transcendent God you can't imagine, you need some image of a long haired white guy to be able to pray.

4a6dd0  No.30967


How can a being be called "personal" if you have no access to him, in any sense, at all?

The contestants on the Big Brother show are watched daily by cameras, viewers, and judges, but there is nothing "personal" about this relationship because there is no interaction between the groups.

Even in heaven you will have no interaction with God personally. Right? You will have milk and honey and rivers in flowing gardens, but so what?

This reminds me of the buddhist karma system, you pray and do your rituals to get rewards in the afterlife, everything is automatic in a sense, cause and effect. Might as well be a "just" atheist universe, since you never get to encounter or personally relate to what it is you worship. So the rituals and even the deeds become just gestures, to a God you do not know.

ff4de0  No.30968


If your goal is a reward, then you're doing it wrong.

3212b6  No.30970


Golden calf logic.

3212b6  No.30971

Apostate israelites: I can't worship a God I can't see or touch, and a burning bush doesn't cut it for me, so I'm going to make myself a golden calf to worship because it's unfair everyone else gets to have idols!

christians: I can't worship a God I can't see or touch, so I'm going to make myself idols and carvings of old men and babies to worship, oh and a trinity because it's unfair everyone else gets to have trinities but not me!

086832  No.30972



However you look at it, it's still a problem.

The immanence of God is necessary to know you are on the right path and making progress and forming a personal relationship with the true creator. Being permanently disconnected from God is a definition of hell.

086832  No.30973


The incarnation isn't the key that makes God personal, his omnipresent immanence is, his indwelling in the hearts of believers, our bodies are temples of the holy spirit, we are made in his image, and we draw closer to him as we purify ourselves, in this life and the next. He fills heaven and earth, he is not an absantee landlord, or simply a transcendent watcher from afar….such a being could never be called personal or even knowable. Heaven isn't pretty gardens and honey, it's being in the presence of God and getting ever closer to him.

None of this is "idolatry", this is necessary for monotheism, anything less would be deism or atheism.

ff4de0  No.30974


Obviously a lot of it depends on the definition of "personal relationship", but I don't want to be told when I'm doing something right. I'd much rather be reminded when I'm doing something wrong. However, when we do right and follow the rightly guided path, relieving sorrow, paying a brother's debt, feeding a hungry brother, etc; then we know Allah's love and feel his presence in the goodness we create. I guess that's a "personal relationship".

3212b6  No.30975



All you can do is blindly follow whatever your priests tell you and spout their devilish propaganda.

>Being permanently disconnected from God

And who told you this is what Muslims believe about the inhabitants of Paradise you compulsive liar?

>No indeed; but upon that day they shall be veiled from their Lord,

>then they shall roast in Hell.

so that's said about the inhabitants of hell(like you, hopefully).

Go back to the trini-thread (aka the dog-pound) or worship your golden calf over at your own board.

ff4de0  No.30976


Not sure why you included me in that, but whatever.

3212b6  No.30977

And you talk about atheism when christianity is the biggest cause of it since people absolutely make fun of your idea of God being some bearded dude in the clouds. No one with a sound nature finds this personal or appealing, only brainwashed mushrik worshippers of statues and idols. As soon as christians started reading the bible for themselves they rejected the church en masse and then the entire religion(rightfully so) as absurdities.


Meant to cite his two posts, not your's.

ff4de0  No.30978


Are you Muslim?

086832  No.30979


No, Christ is my Master, but I think God's mercy can extend to anyone, despite their religion.

3212b6  No.30980


Alright so what makes God personal…

>his indwelling in the hearts of believers

>>"We indeed created man; and We know what his soul whispers within him, and We are nearer to him than the jugular vein"

>our bodies are temples of the holy spirit

>>"And when thy Lord said to the angels, 'See, I am creating a mortal of a clay of mud moulded."

>>"When I have shaped him, and breathed My spirit in him, fall you down, bowing before him!’"

>we draw closer to him as we purify ourselves

>>"It is not your wealth nor your children that shall bring you nigh in nearness to Us, except for him who believes, and does righteousness; those – there awaits them the double recompense for that they did, and they shall be in the lofty chambers in security."

>He fills heaven and earth

>>"And it is He who in heaven is God and in earth is God; He is the All-wise, the All-knowing."

>he is not an absantee landlord

>>"and We shall relate to them with knowledge; assuredly We were not absent."

>Heaven isn't pretty gardens and honey, it's being in the presence of God and getting ever closer to him.

There's no reason it can't be both. And you even think wine and bread can become christ/God so what are you even complaining about?

The question is, when will trinis stop straw-manning Islam?

91c993  No.30984


>How can a being be called "personal" if you have no access to him, in any sense, at all?

We do by scripture and prayer, how is it any different from your Jesus worship? It's not like you have access to Jesus lol

>Even in heaven you will have no interaction with God personally. Right?

False, we will have a PERSONAL relationship with God eternally. That's what the quran promises, that God will wants to forgive us and be pleased with us and us with him. We will be as near as any creation can to it's creator, what more can you ask? Seeing the presence of God is the best reward the quran says, the rest is just extra pleasure and for us to relate to heaven in earthly terms, for the average person to look forward to heaven.

Now stay in the containment thread or be banned.

ff4de0  No.30985


I see. Well, you might want to qualify that if you're going to answer questions on a Muslim board for Muslims.

91c993  No.30988

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This is typical christian lies and deceptions. I'm gonna post this vid here to end this convo.

3212b6  No.30989


Yup typical christian tricks where they'll pretend to be an inquisitive atheist or "confused Muslim" asking loaded and leading questions so they can post their copy-pasted bull☻ "arguments". Even when there is a thread for them to make their arguments they resort to these pathetic ploys.

ff0c00  No.30998



So Allah is immanent within creation and transcendent? Or purely transcendent and not immanent in creation?

You can't have a purely transcendent Allah and then post quotes arguing he dwells within man via his breath and is closer to us than our veins without admitting to some immanence….

If you want to say he is in creation and omnipresent and so forth that's good, then he has the possibility to be personal. Otherwise he is veiled from man forever via absolute transcendence.

(stay in the trini thread )

3212b6  No.31006


>Or purely transcendent and not immanent in creation?

Answer the same from the bible only.

8c25df  No.31026


Oh, I've been thinking about getting one of those short 6"-wide "penny boards", are those okay for beginners? For just coasting up and down sidewalks, I don't think I'm brave enough to do tricks on one….

ff4de0  No.31028


Those are great for getting around the city. Just make sure you practice a bit so you're not running into pedestrians. But, as long as you have balance, you'll do fine.

5be355  No.31093

File: e4b807b1644e25a⋯.png (280.68 KB, 720x1280, 9:16, Screenshot_20180916-191913.png)

File: d039eb64b853c75⋯.png (115.42 KB, 930x728, 465:364, unknown.png)

Finally, brothers, we made National Geographic delete the video about the woman "Imam".

And again, the liberals were pathetic in the comments, demanding changes in Islam

91c993  No.31094


filthy deceiving kafirs

ff4de0  No.31097


Women can lead other women in prayer, but that doesn't make her an imam. Gotta love people who change the definition of words just to suit their personal narrative.

b9485b  No.31173

If you have money in stocks in the stock market to you need to pay zakat on the amount? Would it be exempt because it is similar to investing in a business? Although you can withdraw your money fairly easily.

91c993  No.31174


Well firstly, the riba (usurious) based stock market is forbidden, all these companies work with riba in one way or another. Investing in riba is optional, you don't have to do it to survive, unlike using fiat currency, which is also riba based, but which is necessary for daily life. Alas, the prophet (pbuh) warned us about this age of usury we are living in:

Narrated by Ibn Isa, and recorded in Abu-Dawood Hadith #3325

“There will come a time when you will not be able to find a single person in the world who will not be consuming riba. And if anyone claims that he is not consuming riba then surely the dust of riba will reach him.”

To answer your question, ff it was a halal islamic market, then maybe if it generated wealth it would be taxable, anything that is considered excess wealth, so if you save the profits, it's included in the zakat. I hope someone more knowledgeable can answer inshaAllah.

b9485b  No.31179

File: 9b2a44c5cd8fe18⋯.jpg (45.41 KB, 594x326, 297:163, Wahed Invest.jpg)


I invested back when I first saw Yasir Qadhi pushing “Halal investing.” I thought I could invest myself, staying away from banking stocks and the gambling nature of futures and other things. At the time I was not aware that the shares of stock are not certificates of ownership. Their value is not based upon a companies value, but it is solely based on what other people are willing to spend for that share of stock. At any time the company can buy back its shares without your permission, paying you pretty much whatever they want. I invested in a few companies in a sector that I thought looked promising, trying to steer clear of companies that had haram dealings or dealt openly with interest.

I noticed one of the larger companies I invested in was getting some of its income from interest, so I sold those shares. I still own shares in smaller companies, that make security cameras and desalination equipment for salt water.

I find some of the things Yasir Qadhi says questionable in general. He says that most of the funds of the Memphis Islamic Center are in the stock market.

2dc6e4  No.31184



Give me one Quran verse that states women cannot be imams. And before you reply, please reread my challenge.

ff4de0  No.31191


Qur'an doesn't address it and the only hadith mentioning it considered weak. I suppose it's more about tradition than anything else.

91c993  No.31212


>security cameras and desalination equipment for salt water.

That's better then other stocks as you explained.

>I find some of the things Yasir Qadhi says questionable in general. He says that most of the funds of the Memphis Islamic Center are in the stock market.

that guy is pretty shifty in both aqeedah and dealings

91c993  No.31213


Women can lead other women in prayer, but not men, since mixed gatherings are not allowed and a woman could be distracting the men from salat, especially during rukuh and sujood.

91c993  No.31219

File: 8d5e6a072875357⋯.png (801.96 KB, 1224x2965, 1224:2965, 6days.png)

Some anon explained scientifically how the universe was created in actual 6 days due to time dilation. Since we also believe that it was in 6 days I found it interesting.Thoughts on this thread?

(7:54) Surely your Lord is none other than Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and then ascended His Throne; Who causes the night to cover the day and then the day swiftly pursues the night; Who created the sun and the moon and the stars making them all subservient to His command. Lo! His is the creation and His is the command. Blessed is Allah, the Lord of the universe.

1905f7  No.31233


I bet they'll try something like this again in the future. They'll probably dip into the muslim LGBT community in the future as well. And slowly paint them as a victim of opression and pushes people to alter the quran and "progress" islam. Bear in mind, there's already some movement in France(I think) to remove "anti-semitism" and "problematic" words in the Quran. They are literally doing the same thing to us as to what they did with Christians back then. Don't be shocked when even drinking publicly/openly and not praying became the "norm" because "muh religious freedom" that is being pushed by the liberals of the west. I am afraid brothers, the prophet's (pbuh) prophecy is slowly coming into fruition. I'm not ready to face Him, I am a man of sin.

91c993  No.31235

File: c326e198084734e⋯.jpg (119.93 KB, 1024x829, 1024:829, moderate.jpg)


>I bet they'll try something like this again in the future. They'll probably dip into the muslim LGBT community in the future as well. And slowly paint them as a victim of oppression and pushes people to alter the quran and "progress" islam.

imo they are a threat to our tawhid, which is the most important things, they try to make us loyal to them and to participate in their shirki politics (democracy, liberalism, lgbt), its a spiritual war in the usa, and their cross bearing government wages a physical war in the muslim lands

muslims have a status like those of dhimmis, we are paying a tax and cant practice our deen fully, and we are forced to used riba currency, among seeing other indecent things

Allah (j.j) warns us about those:

"If they gain dominance over you, they would be to you as enemies and extend against you their hands and their tongues with evil, and they wish you would disbelieve." -(sūrat l-mum'taḥanah 60:2)

>Bear in mind, there's already some movement in France(I think) to remove "anti-semitism" and "problematic" words in the Quran. They are literally doing the same thing to us as to what they did with Christians back then.

yeah and they also cooperate with the moroccan gov to 'educate' imams in 'modern' islam, but thankfully Allah (swt) is protecting this deen no matter who betrays it and tries to change it, thank God the western islam has no influence in muslim aqeedah

>Don't be shocked when even drinking publicly/openly and not praying became the "norm" because "muh religious freedom" that is being pushed by the liberals of the west. I am afraid brothers, the prophet's (pbuh) prophecy is slowly coming into fruition. I'm not ready to face Him, I am a man of sin.

I'm already seeing that sadly, but it's contained in the west. I don't think there's any future for born muslims in the west, other than the converts who got out of this filth and aren't enticed by it. We are definitively in the end times when most of the descriptive prophecies (piety is considered bizarre, wasting wealth, competition building, huge numbers but weak, all nations killing us, consumed by riba) have come to pass.

2dc6e4  No.31377


And where is the Quranic evidence for this?

3212b6  No.31380


There isn't a verse saying that "a woman can not lead the prayer". I don't think there's an explicit hadith either. But my answer would be that firstly the prayer has been transmitted as a practice and women leading men has never really been an established practice. And secondly, we can just use common sense to see that it's inappropriate to be staring at a woman in prayer. As long as she's even remotely attractive and/or young it is going to be distracting for any man.

But with that said the group in the documentary certainly has bigger issues than female imams.

91c993  No.31384


It was narrated that Abu Hurairah said:

"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: 'The best rows for men are the front rows and the worst are the last, and the best rows for women are the back rows and the worst are those in the front."' Sunan an-Nasa'i 820

54b0c6  No.31389


We believe it was 6 periods, not days

54b0c6  No.31390


I won>>31233

>pushed by the talmudists


91c993  No.31394


The arabic says days, both interpretations are valid.

2dc6e4  No.31428

Can someone link me to the quranist board?

6290a0  No.31431


Yes they can. It's called fasakh and khula'. Women can even ask for fasakh if their husband has erectile dysfunction or is abusive to her.

11274d  No.31437


I feel like I would become a better person if I actually feared God.

I've been raised in a secular country, so fear of God does not come naturally to me, is there any way in which I can instill the fear of God into myself?

ff4de0  No.31438

ff4de0  No.31439


Once you realize that God is literally the only thing standing between you and eternal and absolute torment, the fear and love happens.

91c993  No.31441

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Just reading what the people of hellfire say in the quran is enough. Especially in arabic you can feel their despair, and it terrifies me.

And since you were raised in a secular country, make sure to safeguard your tawheed. Don't follow jahili politics like democracy, don't love the fake nationalist country, have no pride for it. And don't celebrate their mushrik holidays and national days. Just a heads up, since a few months ago I was in that trap.

2dc6e4  No.31448


I thought there was a different board but I can't remember it for the life of me. But thank you

8d4a0c  No.31449

I am lazy and all I feel like doing is eating and resting. How do you discipline yourselves? What can I even do with my life? If I get a wife and children I will have to provide for them. For what purpose? I am a poor role model and they would end up becoming apostates.

1ddc9d  No.31450


>A woman should be able to leave her husband forever because he has erectile dysfunction

>you think this is fair and good

1ddc9d  No.31451


Anas bin Malik narrated:

"There were two brothers during the time of the Messenger of Allah. One of them used to come to the prophet , and the other had some business. The businessman among them complained to the Prophet about his brother, so he said:'Perhaps you are provided for because of him.'"

052cf1  No.31453


Make a list of the things you don't like about yourself. Try to slowly improve one of those things at a time. Small goals like "I'll have one less sandwich" or "I'll wake up half an hour earlier" add up over time, and you'll eventually end up the person you want to be.

If you have issues with praying, try getting into praying all 5 prayers daily as a habit. As long as you can do that, you're more organised than the average person. Pick a few random days of the month and fast on them, to curb your appetite. Just make sure to do everything one step at a time, or you'll get overwhelmed and give up.

000000  No.31454


in France, after an investigation it was found out that 90 percent of meat slaughtered is halal even though it's not put on the packaging. Would it be haram to eat it knowing that there is 10 percent chance it's not halal?

052cf1  No.31456


The sin isn't to eat something that isn't allowed, but to do it while knowing that you're doing it.

If you're eating food that you know might not be halal, it would be haraam. You're better off just buying halal certified meat.

91c993  No.31457


He said she can leave him, not should leave him, huge difference.

ff4de0  No.31460


>90 percent of meat slaughtered is halal

Can you actually back that up? Interesting, if so; though I don't see why it wouldn't be certified. It makes no sense to properly slaughter meat and not certify it. I know that there are some McDonald's and other fast food chains that use exclusively halal meat, but those are clearly labeled and certified. Is this one of those "kosher tax" conspiracy theories?

000000  No.31462


Sorry made a mistake, the right wing is saying 90 percent of meat in Paris and the area around it, is halal or kosher, not the entirety of France. It could just be right wing propaganda. Different sources say different stuff, as always. In 2005 a study by the ministry of agriculture says 60 percent of sheep, 40 percent of beef and 20 percent of poultry is halal slaughtered. Of course that also could just be propaganda.

Please ignore my previous post and just buy certified halal meat at a place you trust or slaughter it yourself.

ff4de0  No.31464


No worries. I always get curious when I hear a "90% of X" statistic. Especially when it comes to something like this. 90% of the meat in Paris is a LOT of meat.

8d1a68  No.31465

What is the Islamic view on Marijuana?

ff4de0  No.31466


Intoxicants are forbidden.

91c993  No.31467



Perhaps a halal slaughter company sells their meats to stores and restaurants without the certification. Either way, you can only trust a muslim with your meat, if you know a muslim slaughtered it or prepared the food, you assume it's halal. If a kaffir serves it to you with no halal certification, then better be on the safe side and not buy it.

9ffba7  No.31716

Would it be feasible for me to drop out of college and just hang out at the masjid all day? Not like asking for free things but just living without pretending to obey the mushrikeen. Today I saw a poser for transgender pronouns on my college campus saying we should fulfill their perverted wishes for "basic human dignity". I was going to take it down until I realized I will be suspended if I do so. It's not like I can put opposite opinion posters up anyways since only university-sanctioned events are allowed to advertise. This is state sponsered degeneracy. I do not wish to pay money to this decrepit institution, nor even put up with the kaffirs in a trades job. I would be fine living out of a van but I have no idea on the legality of being a nomad. Thoughts? I would love to tour our land without pretending to be a part of this disgusting society. I still obey the rules obviously. The only thing I've ever done wrong in my life was a parking ticket. I would love to see all the beautiful sights and pray and eat date fruit all day.

ff4de0  No.31717


I strongly suggest toughing it out and graduating. A degree opens up a lot more possibilities for you. And, hey, if you want to hang out at the mosque all day, why not become an Imam? Or you could be a teacher at a Muslim school. You're going to need an education. Muslims have an obligation to seek education and knowledge.

63f798  No.31719


You have the right intentions, I too want to separate myself from the mushrikeen. But to do that fully we have to leave the lands of shirk. My problem is I don't know any destination, I'm wondering if there's any islamic communes out in nature we could join.

Chapter (4) sūrat l-nisāa

97. Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, "In what [condition] were you?" They will say, "We were oppressed in the land." The angels will say, "Was not the earth of Allah spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein?" For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination.

98. Except for the oppressed among men, women and children who cannot devise a plan nor are they directed to a way -

99. For those it is expected that Allah will pardon them, and Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving.

100. And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many [alternative] locations and abundance. And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him - his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah. And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

101. And when you travel throughout the land, there is no blame upon you for shortening the prayer, [especially] if you fear that those who disbelieve may disrupt [or attack] you. Indeed, the disbelievers are ever to you a clear enemy.

562623  No.31735


I agree with this brother, for the following reason:

Doing what's right entails doing what WORKS and what is PRODUCTIVE.

The best way for you to channel that energy of yours (this healthy energy that makes you disgusted at modern day degeneracy) is most likely for you to finish your university degree, and work within the system to have the maximum possible positive impact before you die.

Unless you believe that you have a lot of potential for positive impact as an urban nomad; which is possible. for example you could be a very charismatic person, who would talk to people 1 to 1 and influence them to go to the straight path. and in that case, you could have more success as an urban nomad than if you go through university.

But I find the latter proposition unlikely, and unless it's (or something similar to it) true for you, the best/right/correct thing for you to do is to continue on your current path.

63f798  No.31737


Well first university is very expensive and can be a debt trap if his degree isn't useful. If he wants to learn more on islam he should learn in a muslim country imo, like in al azhar or medina university.

You put too much emphasis on being productive, without telling him why he should be productive in a kaffir society. How is him being a good working goy who pays taxes to this satanic system a productive thing? It's actually destructive.

All of us should do complete dissociation (baraa) from any kaffir country we reside in, and if possible go back to our muslim countries, or live in the wild.

In the Sunnah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen.” Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2645

We have to fear Allah (swt) and not fear being poor or have less comfort.

ff4de0  No.31739


Yes, university is expensive, but education is worth the expense. There is more to education than just being useful. The trap most commonly fallen into is that "income is better than education".

>I disown every Muslim who settles among the mushrikeen.

I don't think that means what you think it means. I believe he is referring to those who settle in non-Muslim nations and live as the mushrik live instead of living as a Muslim. Think about it. If we weren't allowed to go into non-Muslim nations, then how could there ever be new Muslim nations? If Muslims never settle in the US, then how could the US ever come to the rightly guided path? Do you believe that the Prophet has abandoned the 4 million Muslims living in the US?

I live in New Orleans. Allah has not abandoned me, nor has the Prophet.

63f798  No.31741


>If we weren't allowed to go into non-Muslim nations, then how could there ever be new Muslim nations?

Dawah is valid reason to stay in the lands of kufr, but I don't see 4 million muslim making dawah, most just want to live in a rich country. The muslim migrants that came for dunya reasons are in the wrong.

>Do you believe that the Prophet has abandoned the 4 million Muslims living in the US?

We don't have any guarantee that he won't. Especially since we've been warned by Allah ﷺ and the prophet (saw). The safest way is to disassociate from the mushrikeen, first step is to not imitate their ways.

Ibn ’Umar (RAA) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said:

“He who imitates any people is considered to be one of them.” Book 16, Hadith 1514

See how many muslims dress like them, vote for them, celebrate with them ect.. We are living in calamitous times.

75b5a3  No.31784

For new Muslims, how did you guys memorize the prayers? I'm contemplating conversion but it seems very difficult to pray in this deen.

ff4de0  No.31785


Anything you do 5 times a day will be memorized pretty quickly. You don't have to know everything up front. It is better to convert now, then learn the prayers.

cdac43  No.31892


Definitively this.

79be3f  No.31901

Have any of you tried drinking camel urine? I heard some people are doing that for medicinal purposes.

ff4de0  No.31904

4a5afa  No.31916

I am ashamed to admit it but I was unable to pray the first three salats today. How do I make up for it. Should I pray them all sequentially after Magrib and before Isha, or pray tomorrow alongside the prayer of that time of the day

08dd93  No.31920

Definitely a question worth of this thread.

Why does some spurdo memes says islamogommunism? I mean sure, Islam has some socialist quality but I feel like Islam has plenty more ring winged policy.


>How do I make up for it

Thing is, the scholars have differing opinions whether you should make up for it or not. One side argue that there's no qadha/make up since the prayer should be done on that given time and date. On the other is that you should pay what is due. Either way, you should do it at the given time.

Anyway, if I'm not mistaken, you can do it at any given time where salah is permitted, best if you do it at the earliest convenience.

cdac43  No.31925


>Why does some spurdo memes says islamogommunism?

Because it was a meme made by right wing racists, who just combined their two biggest enemies, muslims and communists.

54b0c6  No.31967

There is a lot of debate about voting but it is mostly talked about in sense of a secular or non-Muslim democracy. Could there be elections in a caliphate for example for local governors and mayors (they would obviously rule by sharia, etc)?

ff4de0  No.31968

54b0c6  No.31985


thanks, it was an interesting read

cdac43  No.31990


The first caliphate wasnt a democracy, only some of the sahaba were informed and it was forced upon those who rejected it. Because the khilafa became the jama'ah, whoever rejects it is a non muslim.

The condition is that they rule by shariah, if this is met they are muslim. But there is no such state in our era, not even the muslim brotherhood models fit with shariah.

e74e4c  No.32001

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Are there any other collections of mostly authentic hadith that have been translated into English besides these in the picture?

cdac43  No.32014

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Good overview of the shirk of democracy.

3212b6  No.32017


Why haven't these people who say the khilafah is the solution to all problems joined isis yet? Isis say the same thing: there are no Muslim countries so we're now creating a khilafah and we're the rulers of the entire Muslim world now and we rule by sharia etc.,

so why haven't these people joined them? Like HT and so forth? Obviously I'm not saying they should, I'm just wondering how they can justify it when they have the same beliefs.

It's ALMOST like HT are LARPers with too high views of themselves(actually that's exactly the case).

cdac43  No.32021


Maybe they have, maybe they haven't, but it's still not an argument. Whether someone is a larper or not does not change the facts they present. Khilifah and shariah is in the sunnah and nobody rejects it, except maybe some juhal.

It's as foolish as asking why muslims who want shariah don't join saudi arabia.

3212b6  No.32022


It's an argument against their entire definition of caliphate and their entire reason for existing.

>as asking why muslims who want shariah don't join saudi arabia.

That's a ridiculous analogy. For HTers and people like them that say that all Muslim countries are kuffar and the khilafah needs to be established and everyone needs to pledge allegiance to them, well, isis (supposedly) did just that, so what's the hold up? Why don't they accept isis as the true caliphate and fix the ummah's problems already? Based on what "facts" do they reject it? Everyone else rejects it because they're khawarij, but HT can obviously not say this. So this just shows their hypocrisy.

6ce850  No.32026


>Why haven't these people who say the khilafah is the solution to all problems joined isis yet?

Because no one wants the our Khilafa to look like daesh

3212b6  No.32027


What does HT mean by that?

e74e4c  No.32028


Why haven’t those people who say that you shouldn’t smoke cigarettes become Nazis yet? The first official anti-smoking campaign was started by Nazi Germany. People from the modern day anti-smoking campaigns say the same things as Nazis and are literally acting like Hitler.

so why haven’t people from anti-smoking groups started committing mass genocide? Like the truth movement and so forth? Obviously I’m not saying they should, I’m just wondering how they can justify it when they have the same beliefs.

It’s ALMOST like non-smokers want to murder all non-white peoples (actually that’s exactly the case).

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cdac43  No.32032


That analogy is what kuffar use all the time.

"Why don't muslims move to saudi if they want shariah."

You are being as bigoted as them. Yes some hts might agree with isis and even join them, but you know this is dangerous and they can't said it openly, others reject isis due to its show of violence.

NO muslim denies the obligation of the khilafa, except the sandal lickers of the tyrants.

3212b6  No.32033


>you're like a kafir because you question HT!!!!

Alright so that's the level of reasoning I can expect from you…

>NO muslim denies the obligation of the khilafa, except the sandal lickers of the tyrants.

HT evidently deny it. So they're sandal lickers of the british queen I guess?

cdac43  No.32034


>Alright so that's the level of reasoning I can expect from you…

wot.. I gave an example of kuffar, not making takfir

>HT evidently deny it.

no they don't, HT's goal is to raise awareness for the obligation of the caliphate

54b0c6  No.32041


The question was about voting in an Islamic (governed by Sharia) state, this is about secular democracy

cdac43  No.32064


I know, just wanted to share this to avoid confusion.

ee1bc8  No.32084

So I finally 'got a life' and stopped focusing on escapist hobbies. Wow! who would have thought that living in reality instead of videogames could be helpful :) I made a friend who is ddicted to videogames and I pity him a little. Hes spending 4 hours a day playing league of legends. Cant change other people though, I got over that vainity. Ill be there for him though if he decides to get his act together. anyone here find similar situations with friends?

826002  No.32102


Videogames? I’d just cut ties but leave the door open if he ever grows up.

8782d7  No.32133

What are the best countries to live as a Muslim? If I recall correctly only Turkey and Malaysia allow permanent immigration. Although a few Muslim minority countries like Singapore do they are apartheid states (Buddhist atheist rule in Singapore)

8782d7  No.32137


Actually, I’m getting too ahead of myself. I should just move to a state with more Muslims like Texas or Illinois.

b8abdc  No.32139


There ya go.

cdac43  No.32140


No, you are right, I'm also searching for a good muslim country. Problem is turkey and malaysia are secular. I would go to saudi arabia or pakistan, but it's impossible to immigrate there permanently.

603a8d  No.32146

Sinead o Connor- identity issues, I don't want to condemn her because she is obviously mentally ill, but its shameful she has clear race hatred issues. She followed up her anti-white anti-muslim 'tweet' with another plainly displaying narcissistic messiah complex saying 'the lord sometimes needs dirty workers'. Sadly I understand why she is so ignorant. In the west the concept of tawhid is so absent, with so much fragmentation and pagan beliefs imbued into society that the idea of one God and only one God for all people, a very simple concept, is not easily understood by people with poisoned minds.

This is very common with older converts though. A lot of older (convert when they're age 30+) are former drug users who delve into sufism or listening to those cringy autotuned hezbollah nasheeds. Just like an alcoholic should never drink alcohol again (of course we never drink at all but for example) these former drug users should really keep quiet with the vanity so they don't accidentally commit shirk. I spent so long on "Mount Stupid" just like them.


I wouldn't say impossible, to get citizenship maybe, but their economy is stable enough you could probably immigrate if you have some skilled labor to provide. I'm unsure if you know what you're in for though. I suppose there are some English speakers there but as second language learners of Arabic it may be tough if you intend to also learn Pathan or Urdu.

ff4de0  No.32149


She declared shahada … all her past sins are erased. If you can't accept that, then you're not Muslim.

826002  No.32151


Keep this $#^% to yourself, m8. There is no wrong path to Allah, Allah guides whom He wills how He wills.

826002  No.32152


Consider the magreb. I married into a magrebi family and couldnt be happier. It’s so cool to have a muslim mom in law, sibs in law.

926798  No.32153

You know what I don't get? Why folks just plain hate Muslims? What, a couple of nutjobs decided to get people killed? Not like other religious groups has done it before? I don't see folks dogpiling on Christians when Waco happened or the countless other Christian nutjobs done their killing? Hindus? Buddhists? Sikhs? And the lies they spread….I don't see folks called Buddha a pedophile but oh, suddenly the Prophet is one? Ignoring that he has other wives and Aisha's not even a child at the time.

Brothers…right now, I am upset, angry…and I find this dogpiling on Muslims a tad unfair. It' a known fact that when you have a large collective, you bound to have the nutbars in them. Why is when our nutbars acting out, we're suddenly the enemy and some folks wished us dead? But when their nutbars acting out, suddenly he's a "disturbed individual" and not a raging [insert religious group here]

926798  No.32154

One more question. Why in the name of all that is sound…are folks complaining about the jizya? "Oh, woe is us non-Muslims having to pay taxes!" It's not as if Muslims have to pay taxes…oh wait…we do! It's called the Zakat and we have more than one of those.

f498b2  No.32157


>You know what I don't get? Why folks just plain hate Muslims?

This is a question that has no exact answer except they hate Islam for being the ultimate truth.

>Why is when our nutbars acting out, we're suddenly the enemy and some folks wished us dead?

It's because it's clear that there are verses that call us to fight our enemies and they misunderstood by them and by some of us as well. Besides, they probably hate the fact that we clearly are against degenerates and any fault one of us did will be used as a reason to hate on us.


I think it is because it's applied on them based on religion alone.

11274d  No.32160


it's mostly americans, and those hate you because their country is at war with a decent amount of muslims countries.

remember what they did against communism?

they're simply making sure that their population is aware of who the enemies of the state are.

86a5bf  No.32163

Whats up with the moderation?

86a5bf  No.32164

This board is a facade that pretends to be open and honest but really you have a policy of allowing people to dogwhistle and brainwash each other.

478175  No.32165


You got any proof to back that up? Or just a lot of hot air?


Yeah, we're the enemies…not like America funded thugs that started this whole mess or something…

cdac43  No.32170


We don't pretend to be anything, we are clear that muslims have the most rights here and Islam will be respected here above all.

ff4de0  No.32172



The board has rules. Follow them or leave. This is not a free speech board.

f498b2  No.32178


>a policy of allowing people to dogwhistle and brainwash each other

Any post you can link to? Most the post from past few years are still alive.


Evil men's enemies are still called "enemies" by them.

3212b6  No.32186


It's so the lying and dishonest nature of kuffar will be more evident. When you see them shamelessly parrot lies that could be verified to be false by a two second google search, it doesn't become strange anymore that they'd deny matters of al-ghayb.

d8182e  No.32206


Unfortunately people believe the lies of the kuffar and some of them are people that I know who are good people even if they are not Muslims.

cdac43  No.32211

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11274d  No.32256

How can I do away with doubts?

I doubt almost everything I do, which often results in me wasting huge amounts of time.

11274d  No.32257


Oh, and just to make it clear: my doubts include literally everything, to the point of me not even knowing what to do with my own time.

I do not have anything that interests me, and neither is university so challenging that I have to spend more than ten hours weekly in order to get a passing grade.

I'd love to know how to fill this gap, and while I understand that this might not be the best board to ask, I feel like Muslims are the people currently closest to God and because of this are most able to understand what he wants from me.

I've read the Qu'ran, and multiple hadiths, but I still am unable to fill in the time God's given me with things worth mentioning.

Thanks for taking the time to read this.

ff4de0  No.32258


>How can I do away with doubts?

You don't. You accept doubt and move on. You give yourself completely to God.


>neither is university so challenging

I'm guessing first or second year? University becomes much, much more interesting about mid-Junior year. Up until then it's just rehashing what you already did in high school. It's also way more challenging when you get into a Masters program. A lot of smart people go through the first couple of years believing they're the smartest people in the room. Once you're in the later stages and into the Masters program, you have to PROVE you're the smartest person in the room or you fail. Getting my Masters was one of the best times I ever had in academia. After that, though, it's all about publish or perish and that's a challenge altogether different.

>I've read the Qur'an

Great! Read it again. Keep reading it. Never stop reading it. What does God want from you? Complete and total submission.

e45d83  No.32259


It validates Islam even more. It only makes sense that the true religion would be oppressed vehemently by everyone and from every angle.

cdac43  No.32260


For your doubts I would say give it time and ask God to remove your doubts. Knowledge also wipes away doubts, so if you need study the miracles and prophecies of Islam and philosophical arguments for God. As for your free time, use it for extra worship (if you are muslim) and next after that is to serve your parents, give them a visit help them with anything, even just talking. You can also use your time to do volunteer work, helping the needy, giving charity, taking care of the environment and animals. You can take on backyard farming, that's a hobby I enjoy. Wish you the best.

4cc74f  No.32270

Girl I know is a total degenerate and is probably a lesbian given her profile pic she is hugging a lesbian and she is very pro degeneracy

I was under the impression she was just a secularist because she frequently post anti semetic free Palestine type of stuff

However I have a feeling she is really just a nationalist degenerate

My mood is really sour right now. She went off the deep end. She wasn’t always like this when I used to know her.

ff4de0  No.32271


Ok … um, is there a question there or did you get lost on your way to /myblog/?

e74e4c  No.32273


Well then, she doesn’t sound like wife material so why waste your time thinking about her?

cdac43  No.32274


Those who fly the "arab" sykes picot flag will never succeed.

f53b4f  No.32284

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Hey /Islam/, autistic weeb from /cow/ here. There’s this insane lolcow named David Sheratt, amoung many of his insane anticts, was involved in a scam to get a non existent ex-Muslim out of Qatar, in which he raised around 10,000 dollars for this “charity”. Quite the funny lad to read and look into. But what I mainly came to ask, are there any great lolcows in the ex-Muslim world? Pllease share any if you have knowledge of, it’s seems to be quite a laughable group.

ff4de0  No.32285


That's not really our thing since we're not a meme board. I don't personally know any ex-Muslims.

9f6256  No.32288


One that come to my mind is Veedu Vids

f53b4f  No.32293

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Holy ☻ this cringey.

Might try to see if there is any strange stuff he’s done in his past.

Thnx lad

cdac43  No.32299


What's a lolcow?

ff4de0  No.32300


It's basically someone who is made fun of, but doesn't realize that they're being made fun of. It's actually a rather cruel treatment of someone who may be mentally handicapped, a practice that is frowned upon in Islam.

cdac43  No.32309

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Is this haram?

cdac43  No.32310

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Moroccans know their stuff…

3d96cc  No.32312



I don't know much Arabic but if the lyrics doesn't revere the Messenger s.a.w more than permissible, it isn't haram.

cdac43  No.32317


It says the prophet is present and stuff I think it's for mawlid, the second one is ok just about Allah's (swt) names.

000000  No.32339

What's the Islamic position on microtransactions in video games? Can you sell in-game money? Is for example, selling 100 gems for 1 dollar in an rpg haram?

ff4de0  No.32341


I don't know if spending money to buy pixels is haram, but it is really, really stupid.

8b9160  No.32342


Microtransactions prey on people with impulse issues. It's a way to squeeze money out of kids, gambling addicts and lonely members of society desperate for some sort of company.

I'd recommend a DLC model, or set an upper bound to microtransactions at least. One of Nintendo's games gives you the full version without microtransactions if you spend enough money, you might be interested in something like that.

2f2812  No.32352


Or you know, have it be unlockable via gameplay rather than squeezing money from the consumer. You got their 60 bucks already…how much money do you even need? And if you want to add additional content, there used to be something called expansion packs.

cdac43  No.32355


Pretty sure it's haram since:

>selling intangible and useless things is haram

>making people waste time is haram

>selling something for no effort is not fair

>virtual game items bring no value to anyone

c00b0c  No.32373


Just give up brother. When their hearts are fixed on hating. They'll keep on hating. And like this >>32157 brother said, the are clear verses in the quran that is "violent" and just don't fit the current hippie-fied world of love and peace. Instead of dealing with the reality is that humans are violent and defensive over something that is cherished by them. But these same people justifies killing an unborn baby because of "human rights" when the problem is that they are more willing to spend money on themselves rather than their offspring and they cannot restrain themselves over sex. And they invented and pushed the idea that sex is normal and just fun things to do. When religion has lifted this "just fun thing" to a higher level where it is to be cherished and experience by two lovers on the bed on their wedding day. It's kinda ironic of them calling us animals, but they themselves justifies any degenaracy by calling humans as nothing more than animals and their urges are their master.

And asking this >>32157 brother, how do you deal when people start pumping the "violent" verses to justify their hate on islam. And would you mind sharing these "violent" verses. I would love to learn about it's context because all that I know is that those verses are about the end of times and during wartime or something like that. I know I can just watch any other people on youtube cherry picks the verses, but I can't deal with how smug some of them are and I just avoid them entirely.

fc6b2f  No.32381


I'm sorry that I can't remember the verses correctly like which surah etc.

>how do you deal when people start pumping the "violent" verses to justify their hate on islam

I usually approach them through logical understanding or more "unislamic" approach. For example, person says Islam is violent because verse that says Allah put fear in the heart of enemies or something along the line. Like I said, can't remember specifically. Anyway, first thing I'll do is to bring out context on where and why the verse was revealed. If that's not accepted then I take them to a route of saying Islam is not a peaceful religion like most people parroted. We're a practical religion. Someone declare war on us just because we're submitting to Allah. You betcha we're gonna retaliate. Then bring in the verse that says If the enemy asks for peace we do so. I forgot if there's a continuation of it that goes along the line of be wary of deception.

I think the problem that we have is marketing Islam as a religion of peace. We are definitely not. We seek peace but that doesn't mean we're gonna sit around when someone attacks us.

>inb4 that's we called a religion of peace, because we seek peace!

First and foremost, we're a religion of submission. Even the word Islam comes from word that means submit. Though, who started the The Religion of Peace trademark?

cdac43  No.32384


>Though, who started the The Religion of Peace trademark?

george bush

3212b6  No.32393


>how do you deal when people start pumping the "violent" verses

What's there to deal with? Kuffar also have rules of war. See eg the geneva convention, does it ban war? No it doesn't. It gives "rules" for it. But it still allows countries to murder people for no reason other than wearing the wrong uniform or living in the wrong part of the world. Now it just happens that Muslim states had (better and more humane) rules 1400 years ago whereas they're just starting to catch up now. The thing is, they then look up these laws and go "omg Muslims believe war isn't forbidden". This is the level of their idiocy.

When atheists or their pagan Mushrikeen friends ban warfare then let them raise the (non-)issue again.

cdac43  No.32509

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Should we have an islamic history thread?

4102c5  No.32512


We should and you're free to start it anytime.

cdac43  No.32531


I wanna make sure there's enough support so it won't die immediately.

ff4de0  No.32532


We're a slow board, so don't expect a large audience.

4102c5  No.32606


Take >>>/his/ for example. It's slow, but people keep posting from now and then. Sharing knowledge is great. Keep on posting and people will flock if they seek.

90f8aa  No.32667


>I'm sorry that I can't remember the verses correctly like which surah etc.

No worries. If it's any it's my fault for not researching thoroughly about my religion. I was raised muslim, but I hardly ever read and research the Quran. My knowledge of islam is limited to what was taught in Islamic classes. Anyways, enough blogposting. I do see your points. Growing up my ustad always explain islam through practical means. And I believe we ARE practical. Haram things are haram for a reason and is actually quite explainable through logical reasoning.

>Though, who started the The Religion of Peace trademark?

Huh, who DID start it anyways? All I know it was a reaction towards 9/11's "anti-islamic" ideology. Prior to 9/11, islam was almost unknown or western people don't give a damn about muslims and islam. Only post that, that there's a lot of people suddenly took interest on Islam and criticizing every single aspect of Islam, the prophet (pbuh) and the Quran.


I just want to know how to counter their argument. That's it. I admit, my knowledge on islam is very limited. And when I see ex-muslims (even more so if they are people from my country), I have this feeling of defeat because I know I cannot persuade them to return to islam because I lack the knowledge to do it and much like them I also sin (a lot). There are times that just thinking about it makes me lose my sleeping time.

cdac43  No.32670


What country?

cdac43  No.32692

File: 9fc8563501dfd92⋯.png (68.01 KB, 300x100, 3:1, untitled.png)

This bid'ah banner should be deleted.

4102c5  No.32695


What is that dance and what does dance mean?

cdac43  No.32696


sufi pantheistic nonsense, "Dancing to be one with god"

cdac43  No.32697

super sufis, not the regular ones

4102c5  No.32698



Do they claim anything for the dance? Like extra deed points or anything?

cdac43  No.32700


Yes, they claim it's an act of worship, but there is no such thing in the quran or sunnah.

7a359a  No.32703

Im having a hard time deciding which is the truth between Islam and Christianity. Can you guys give me reasons why Islam is more true than Christianity?

cdac43  No.32719

File: caa3ac8a323b16d⋯.png (45.04 KB, 860x417, 860:417, the christ.png)

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trinity is made up polytheistic nonsense see



tawheed (islamic monotheism) is logically and scripturally consistent

Islam has modern miracles, corrects inaccuracies in the bible



Jesus (pbuh) is the messiah, but Mohammad (pbuh) is the prophet like moses:

The Prophet who will come from the "EAST". The Bible defined "EAST" to mean Arabia, and the lands of Kedar and Teman (Saudi Arabia today).

The Prophet who will come from "Arabia".

The Prophet who will come from the lands and "tents of Kedar" and "lands of Teman". Kedar and Teman (also called "Tema" in the Bible) are two of Ishmael's sons: Genesis 25:13-15.

The Prophet who will "crush the idols of the deserts of Kedar".

The Prophet who will "fight the idol worshipers" in the deserts of Kedar.

The people of Kedar will Glorify GOD Almighty, and GOD will Glorify His Holy Temple "in Kedar".

"Arabia will rejoice and blossom".

The Prophet who will come from the "Desert". Again, the Bible also defined the "Desert" to mean the lands of Arabia, Kedar and Teman.

The Prophet of the "New Law" & "New Covenant", whom the Jews "must not fear".

The Prophet who is "like Moses". Both Muhammad and Moses brought new Laws. There is the Law of Moses, which the entire Bible is built on, and there is the Law of the Holy Quran, which Islam is built on.

Also in the New Testament, Christ is recorded to have said this to the Jews: "So [For this reason; Therefore] I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to people [a nation] who do the things God wants in his kingdom [will produce its fruit]." (Matthew 21:43). Jesus Christ here spoke about foreign people; non-Jews. Jesus was a Jew and was speaking with Jews. Read more …

- By the way, the "Kingdom of God" here means THE COVENANT & RELIGION OF GOD on earth to the new nation.

Also, "(GOD's) burden shall be upon Arabia" (Isaiah 21:13) [1], means GOD Almighty's Divine Assignment to His Warriors and True Believers shall be put upon the shoulders of the Arabs through Islam and also through the 2nd return of Jesus Christ from Arabia, according to both Islam and the Bible [1]:

"Indeed, We have sent to you a Messenger as a witness upon you just as We sent to Pharaoh a messenger.

Chapter (73) sūrat l-muzamil Verse (15)

Moses PBUH is also the most mentioned prophet in the quran, more than Muhammad PBUH and Jesus PBUH

c0be42  No.32772


How do I become a good muslim again? Is it possible, years of using image boards + reading/watching questionable material has made me very messed up mentally. Trying to fix myself, Is that even possible? How do you find the love for deen again?

I sometimes don't even think I deserve to wear a hijab, because I'm a really despicable person.

4102c5  No.32773

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>How do I become a good muslim again?

Rule of thumb is to go back to 5 pillars of Islam and 6 pillars of Iman. Vid related.

>Trying to fix myself, Is that even possible?

It's never too late. Take small steps, make small but permanent changes like doing the daily prayers on time. There a lot of muslim self-help/betterment books out there. At least in Malaysia. I can't recommend most them because they're in Malay, but what I can recommend is La Tahzan. I heard it's a great book to get back on your feet.

Another sure way is to go back Quran. Read it both the arabic and translation. Who knows, Allah will show you the answers you're looking for there. I heard plenty of anecdotes of it be it from reverts like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcxzIE4xxrI , speakers and even personal experience.

>I sometimes don't even think I deserve to wear a hijab, because I'm a really despicable person.

There's a story that had circulated by islamic teachers over here. Long story short, a grandfather/teacher ask his grandson/student to carry water from the river using a dirty coal sifter. The grandson/student protest since it doesn't carry the water but the grandfather/teacher kept pressing on. After some time the sifter is cleaned. The analogy of the story is that the water is like reading the Quran, even when you don't understand it. It will, eventually clean yourself. For me, the hijab, or covering your aurah i.e fulfilling your duty is like the story. It will eventually "clean" yourself if the niat is pure.

Another point of view is that, dress for the job. You want to be a good muslim? Adhere to dress code.

cdac43  No.32775


Why do you consider yourself despicable if what you describe is essentially minor sins. And the fact you regret it is a good sign. Just make tawbah to Allah and start praying the daily salat.

>How do you find the love for deen again?

>How do I become a good muslim again?

The answer to both of these is knowledge. Learning about the quran is very important, read it completely at least once and you can also check out some videos on youtube to make you gain interest.

cdac43  No.32776


Also any muslimah should year the hijab, even if she is a sinner, because wearing it will be one less sin to worry about and also it will naturally push away bad influences and potentially attract good company.

0407da  No.32822

Can I just read the Quran from front to back or is there any good reading orders?

ff4de0  No.32823


Front to back is fine. Some folks like to read it in order it was revealed.


You can read it in any order you like. Qur'an is Qur'an.

0407da  No.32824


Thank you for responding (and the link)!

e74e4c  No.32832

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I heard the hadith about paying 10% of ones income from grains, so I went to this website to double check. It seems to be accurate. Since I am a farmer, that would apply to me. If that is what the Prophet PBUH said to do, then that is what I need to do. It does seem like it is a bit steep in comparison with the 2.5% zakat on ones savings. Why is farming subject to higher zakat payments than other businesses?

Also, what the ☻ is this? This picture is taken from the zakat website I went to. Why would they have a calculator to pay zakat on Government Bonds? Government Bonds are investments that are based solely upon gaining interest….

42946c  No.32836



Not during salah tho. It's considered makhruh to recite surah from the back before the front ones.


What website is that. and maybe it's because of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukuk i.e sharia compliance bonds.

e74e4c  No.32854

cdac43  No.32866


How islamic are these (bonds)?

42946c  No.32875


I have no idea. Islamization of once infested riba' practices has been here for a while. I only know of banking and stocks, even so to a general understanding of it. Here at my place, it is seen as a better alternative. For example the bank CIMB has its own branch called CIMB Islamic where everything under the account is handled through sharia compliance means. At least that's what I understand.

>companies might be trying to deceive us

Might be so, but they do have their own Sharia Officer to monitor it. You could contact them for more info.

Or you could shoot an email to that website. They're doing the calculation, they must also know the viability of an Islamic Govt Bonds.

1001c6  No.32961

Are there any resources/books /islam/ would recommend when it comes to seeing the arguments for and against Sunni or Shia being the genuine/ best approach of Islam?

cdac43  No.32962


The quran should be enough, theres no concept of infallible imamate in the quran, but here's a quick rundown:



cdac43  No.32963

Allah’s Messenger (pbuh) Says: “Steer Away From The Seven Ruining Sins.” When He Was Asked Which These Were, The Prophet Answered: “Associating Partners With Allah, Black Magic, Killing A Human Being Except For A Legitimate Cause, Devouring Usury, Pilfering An Orphan’s Property, Running Away From Battle And Falsely Accusing Chaste Believing Women Of Adultery.”

1001c6  No.32964


Thanks, Im still fairly new so Im a bit wary of my ability to see easy answers through my own interpretation of serious and longstanding issues.

cdac43  No.32966


Can you elaborate akhi?

4739d2  No.32968


Its a divide that is well over a 1000 years old and both groups have sincere and intelligent people within them who have devoted their lives to the studying the issue and have still not come to a consensus. Whilst its true that the difference is importance and only one can be correct I would feel a bit arrogant to believe that I could just rely on my reading of a translation of the Quran alone to resolve the issue.

cdac43  No.32974


>Its a divide that is well over a 1000 years old

Not really, theres what 90% of what the muslim ummah agree on, which is the sunnah, and then there's all sorts of deviated groups like the ismailis, twelvers, alewites, ahmadis , druze , quranists that are in the 10%

>and both groups have sincere and intelligent people within them who have devoted their lives to the studying the issue and have still not come to a consensus.

How do you know that? Actually most don't even know much of their beliefs since it's hidden from them. Also, the consensus was achieved during the reign of Ali (ra), when he pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr (ra), the political party of Ali is not the same as the claimants today. I would say even zaydi shiites are closer to the Alid party back then.

>Whilst its true that the difference is importance and only one can be correct I would feel a bit arrogant to believe that I could just rely on my reading of a translation of the Quran alone to resolve the issue.

It's not your reading, it's that there is a complete ABSENCE of their most fundamental belief, the infallible imamate. Also, the post I linked has a good summary of their beliefs, including things like imams are better than prophets, imams can see the future and control the universe, imams can raise the dead ect.. I'm suggesting you read the quran, since with that light the heresies become clear. That's why 90% of muslims agree on 90% of Islam, with only a few difference in fiqh, theres no huge shia sunni split, its smaller than you think, and only rose to provenance recently due to irans shenanigans. Most people, not even the average muslim knew about twelvers before the 1979 revolution.

fbdc24  No.32984


>Not really

When I say divide I dont mean as in an equal division so much as split or separation.

>How do you know that?

Partially personal anecdotes and partially because they appear to have their own scholars and institutions of higher learning. Again I know that this doesnt make them right but it does mean that there might be some substance to their claims.

>most don't even know much of their beliefs

>It's not your reading, it's that there is a complete ABSENCE of their most fundamental belief

Im highly ignorant when it comes to the beliefs of Shia Islam and still fairly ignorant when it comes to Sunni Islam which is why Im looking for material to correct that.

fb93f4  No.32986

Looking into Islam. Posted here awhile ago about it but I'm looking into it again after looking into Christianity and it seeming to be a dead end.

I have a question though, about a year ago I was in an ambulance thinking I might die and a muslim friend encouraged me to say the shahadah. He guided me through it over text and I did it.

However I didn't understand the full implications of it, and immediately shrugged it off after I quickly recovered from the sickness I had developed.

If I wasn't fully serious about it, it didn't count right?

769b4e  No.32987


You're right. The shahadah is what you say to officially become Muslim, but it doesn't count unless you mean it and understand it.

fb93f4  No.32989


Thanks. The reason I'm double checking is that I felt serious about it at the time, but I also didn't really understand it our fully commit myself. Regardless I'm going to say it again if I revert in the future and act as if it was invalid, I just wanted to be sure

610092  No.32992



Your friend really loves you as a friend if he went through all the trouble to ensure you died as a muslim. I mean, he could get flakked by your family members (if they care about your religion), increasing the tension between communities (if you were in a religion back then) because of a sudden conversion before deathbed. To spend time together again in heaven is a bliss.

>tfw I only talk about Islam only when asked during my travels with my non-muslim friends

fb93f4  No.32996


Yeah I haven't talked to him in awhile but he was very devout. He sent me an apologetics book that I read on it but I quickly fell away and got interested in Christianity. I've been looking into that for the past year but take issue with certain aspects of it that are making me turn to Islam for the truth

cdac43  No.33022


>When I say divide I dont mean as in an equal division so much as split or separation.

Why claim its a two way split then? Don't you know there are many islamic sects even within shiism? It's a false dichotomy. There are twelvers, zaydis, ismailis, alawites, druze ect.. also ibadism, but sunnism makes up 90% of muslims. Its not either sunni or shia, this simply is a false choice. If you want a quick rundown on shiite heresy >>32382 this is a good summary.

>they appear to have their own scholars and institutions of higher learning

they appear but isnt really true, and you could say the same for litteralt any religion, catholics, orthodox, jews, hindus, even islamic sects such as qadianis, all have institutions, it does not make them legitimate?

>Im looking for material to correct that

did you ever read the quran?

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