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"Allah is but one God. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs." [4:171]

78cd2d No.21913

>Salafism takes the descriptions of God literally and oppose widespread theological concepts including the ash'ari view.[56] Therefore God has hands and is sitting on a throne literally.[57]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Islam#Salafism

what? is this common among salafists?

13edef No.21915

File: 8b655eb9d888c5d⋯.jpg (258.23 KB, 1440x1106, 720:553, laysa.jpg)

>what? is this common among salafists?

Christian, this is the established belief of all Muslims.

Allah has two hands.

Allah has a throne.

All muslims agree on this because It is revealed in the Quran. All muslims agree it is not like a throne for a man or a hand of a man. This is because pic related. The difference is some muslim scholars philosophize and speculate whereas other muslim scholars refrain from doing so and are content with the apparent meaning.


21dcdc No.21921

>>21915

No not all take it literally.

Taking something metaphorically is not the same as taking it literally.

There is nothing like God so he can't have literal hands and sit on a throne literally otherwise he is comparable to persons. Whether they are human hands or non-human hands doesn't make a difference hands make him comparable, like a created thing.


13edef No.21927

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>>21921

I'm going to assume you're a Christian since you won't be able to find or formulate an Islamic argument on this topic against the ijma of Ahlus Sunnah - unless you are prepared to translate some texts from the 8th century.

>>21921

>No not all take it literally.

So far the only people tossing around the word "literal" are you and a wiki article. Ahlus Sunnah is not literalist, we are realist. We believe in Allah swt and His self-described attributes.

This is the definition of literalism: "taking words in their usual or most basic sense without metaphor or allegory."

This is exactly what Christians do when they use God's attributes in the Old Testament in a banal, literal sense to support their preconceived notion that Jesus is Allah. That is literalism. Ahlus Sunnah does not engage in literalism nor dismissal of Allah's attributes.

While Allah attributes hands for Himself it must be emphasized that it is literally impossible for humans to conceive of them. So they are real hands that we can't conceive of. They are definitely not like anything human or any other form of creation. Allah holds our souls in His hand. Allah sees all with his eyes. Allah is all powerful, Allah is all hearing. Allah speaks. Allah created us with very limited faculties - in his image - so that we can better understand the power and majesty of Allah.

>Taking something metaphorically is not the same as taking it literally.

When I say Allah has a throne and two hands I am simply saying what Allah attributes to himself. The sahaba (ra) and their predecessors left the attributes of Allah alone as they had been reported. If we stick to the way that Allah describes himself without explanation/speculation we will always be safe from tajsim (anthropomorphism).

In the Quran Allah says He has a throne. Allah also says that throne encompasses the heavens and the earth. So how is that comparable to a throne for a human? It obviously isn't. But at the same time it is not only a metaphor.

We dare not liken Allah to His creation but neither do we dare deny His specific attributes - although they are unfathomable to us.


d463da No.21929

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>>21927

>Linking Shabir Ally

Into the trash it goes…

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0f8f73 No.21943

>>21921

We know he has hands but we don't know how are these hands. we know he sits on a throne but we don't know how does he sit on a throne or how is this throne. We just say he does and nothing more.


13edef No.21944

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Abu Khadeejah is a madkhali and usually to be avoided and/or taken with caution, but he has good aqeedah


13edef No.21945

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13edef No.21946

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SUFI SHEIKH: ALLAH LITERALLY HAS HANDS

SUFI SHEIKH: ALLAH HAS TWO RIGHT HANDS


13edef No.21947

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SALAFI SHEIKH: ALLAH LITERALLY HAS A HAND


13edef No.21948

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SALAFI SHEIKH: ALLAH HAS TWO RIGHT HANDS


13edef No.21949

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What I find so funny is when a salafi Sheikh says Allah has a hand, laymen go nuts. But when a sufi Sheikh says the same exact thing - laymen are quiet. There is consensus on this issue among all Sunni shuyukh, although the average Muslims may not understand there is no blame on them. But there is blame on those who speak brazenly with no understanding.


fbd809 No.22010

>>21948

the hand analogy is interesting because two hands would have to be distinct yet part of God somehow.

Can't remember where I read it but some Christian saints described "the Son" and the "holy spirit" as God's hands, the mediums he uses to work with the world and interact with it. They are distinct from him yet still him. Makes you think.

>>21949

because sufis are known for their generous and symbolic interpretations.


a4ceb6 No.22012

>>22010

Allah's hands can enter creation but Allah can't. Makes confusing sense.


021834 No.22021

File: 5bbc23af56e589c⋯.jpg (78.4 KB, 320x427, 320:427, IMG_0802.JPG)

>>22010

>>22012

Are you philosophers both done speaking about your Creator without knowledge? Are you both done trying to use the Quran to support Christian shirk?

yes, yes you are


2fc435 No.22044

>>22010

>>22021

>shirk

??

There is only One Allah and he transcends the world, and then there are his two eternal Hands which enter Creation and manipulate it, and these three are One.


303144 No.22045

>>22044

>and then

Are you funposting?


2fc435 No.22047

>>22045

>and then

Not temporal distinction but a logical distinction, since all are eternal.

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3fc977 No.22072

>>21944

Anthropromoroprporprorprorpmorphists.


4b2ade No.22073

Having a literal hand contradicts tawhid


60c723 No.22076

>>22073

deviant


60c723 No.22077

>>22021

>Christian shirk

Ahlul kalaam are atheists.


dd5dbf No.22078

File: 55a7818ad82adb9⋯.jpg (398.57 KB, 940x588, 235:147, IMG_0920.JPG)

>>22077

That poster was trying to use a kalam argument for the trinity which is itself a kalam (platonic) argument. They were suggesting the hands of Allah form the two parts of trinity audhobillah.


dd5dbf No.22079

File: 85091a53a367014⋯.png (294.74 KB, 660x350, 66:35, IMG_0251.PNG)

>>22073

Denying Allah's self-described attributes is blatant kufr. You have no argument to make or scholars to cite. Why are you pretending to have knowledge?


fd4854 No.22080

The Quran is divided into two parts, the Muhkam (plain and clear) verses and Mutassyabih (allegorical) verses. The Muhkam part is always about the Sharia (solah, sawm, hajj, etc), while the Mutassyabih is always about divine wisdom (yusuf's biography, two gardens, khidr, etc).

If we do not and cannot know something which Allah had described (such as Allah's exalted Self), then we say Allah knows best.

In the end, Allah created everything in existence; including time and space. That means Allah is beyond the constraints of both time and space. We can't even imagine ourselves existing outside the space-time continuum, let alone Allah. And Allah is above all limits and constraints.

This is why Allah says that nothing can be compared to him in any way.


dd5dbf No.22081

File: 75cf199c8d16556⋯.jpg (29.16 KB, 446x409, 446:409, 857e246e42d873f549ae9d8ca2….jpg)

>>22080

poast mor


60c723 No.22082

>>22080

The problem is when we either confirm or deny the sifat of Allah, in my opinion anyone who denies them is denying Allah and is a deviant or kaffir who is doing bida'ah.

What are your thoughts on it.




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