2e8226 No.578
I need to ask.
What is the official stance of this board on Palestine?
2e8226 No.579
lol
2e8226 No.580
lel
1d8079 No.581
On one side you have right wing zealots, on the other side you have stupid zealots.
2e8226 No.583
2e8226 No.585
lawl
8684b2 No.588
if they hadn't chimped out in '36 they would've had a better chance against the juden in '48 and we wouldn't be having this conversation
bdfc8f No.604
palestine is for faggot terrorists.
8bd547 No.614
There really isn't anything to discuss
It's just two sides eternally at war with one another
There will never be peace and the conflict will never end. You can argue for any of the two sides endlessly, in the end it won't change anything.
All there is left to do is choose a side or ignore the conflict. Simple as that
0d1068 No.617
>>614Can you at least recognise that the creation of Israel was an immoral and unjust act?
You were all well-settled in european countries, and your persecution during the holocaust was not enough to justify displacing a people and creating your own state.
Many other races have suffered a worse fate and haven't received a country because of it.
2f4125 No.624
>>617American slaves received a country, it is called Liberia.
3064e5 No.629
>>617>Can you at least recognise that the creation of Israel was an immoral and unjust act?Nope
The concept and beginning of Israel as we know it today goes back into the 19th century with the Dreyfus affair, the ideas of Herzl and the purchasing of lands in Israel (back then a British property) by migrants.
It started long before the holocaust, and Israel would sooner or later come to exist anyway, with or without it.
fcefd1 No.634
>>578A country found of genocide and racial segregation.
Much like your own OP.
I don't see the US being ashamed of their origin.
Israel, had a terrible beginning, and to this day they continue to be criminals in all senses of the word, don't have any more of a reason to be more ashamed than you do.
So they don't.
aaebf2 No.637
actually a terrible move. we're a rather hated people, so moving to one of the most historically contested regions in the world was a bad idea. Hitler's plan to have us shipped to Madagascar seems like it would have been better
0d1068 No.639
>>629Sure, but it doesn't detract from the fact that the creation of your state was at the cost of the original peoples living there.
Irrespective of how it was achieved.
If anything, your reason has legitimacy than the wrongful claims of anti-semitism in Europe being the causative factor for the creation of Israel.
>>634And the death penalty was also legal back then.
We are more morally evolved than we were back then, and modern-day Americans have not contributed to the displacement of the original populations in the Americas.
0d1068 No.640
>>639*has less legitimacy
2e8226 No.644
>>634
>well, some people are evil, so everyone should be evil 3c8321 No.647
>>629I'm surprised you know about Herzl and the Dreyfus thing.
IIRC he covered the trial as a journalist and that was what led to his push for a Jewish homeland.
64a37e No.656
I imagine this whole
64a37e No.657
>>656oops, I mean to say that I imagine this whole thread in my mind in Jewish-accented voices.
94da1a No.658
kill the Palestinians
6b6ea6 No.663
>>639>it doesn't detract from the fact that the creation of your state was at the cost of the original peoples living there.Not that I'm saying that it's morally right, but Australia, the US, and many other nations were born in just as much blood as Israel.
Is {arbitrary event from}
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_of_Indigenous_Australians that much different than
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus ?
>We are more morally evolved than we were back thenAre we, really? What moral apex did men conquer between 1942 and 1948? between 1967 and 1975 (Six day war & The Vietnam war's end, two bloody events out of many)? Dress it all you want, men is nearly the beast he always was.
Israel-vs-Palestine, Russia-vs-Ukraine, India-vs-Pakistan, ISIS-vs-god-knows-who all serve as proof that humanity yet to reach your proclaimed apotheosis.
Israel is treating the Palestinians like animals. Israel is killing innocent children. Israel is just as vile as the rest of the world, and any attempt to paint the canvas with different colors is born out of myopia, hypocrisy or sheer hatred.
With all of that being said, I still believe your heart is in the right place, it's just that you've set the moral bar a couple notches too high for any country fighting an existential conflict to ever reach.
2e8226 No.670
>>663you're totally right. Hardly any country is free of enacting some sort of genocide, be it cultural or militaristic. The point, however, is Israel stands relatively alone in it's highly aggressive and callous militaristic actions against a largely defensless and helpless people. Few other countries, and NO other global powers openly oppress another population in such a way. Netanyahu literally does not view the palestinians as human beings, and this viewpoint is pervasive among the upper echelons of the israeli government. It has it's parallels in other countries, republicans hate black and mexican people, Iranians (and a million others) hate the shit out of jews. BUT just because someone else does it, that soesn't mean it's automatically ok for everyone else to stoop to the same level.
I believe that Israel, BECAUSE of it's long history of oppression and persecution, has a deeper responsibility to be OPEN and ACCEPTING of palestinians a s a legitimate people, if merely out of humanistic respect for their plight. OR, jews can use this as an excuse to get back at the world by committing their own genocide so they can feel powerful too
2e8226 No.672
>>624America created Liberia as a place to ship slaves to. It didn't work, liberia sucks ass
ebc9bc No.678
>>663The problem is you are still settling new regions. If you stop expanding, people won't have much to say.
d94638 No.681
>>670>>678I agree, and I don't support Bibi's choice to expand our illegal settlements. I think our right-wing government(s) has caused a lot of avoidable bloodshed and took us further away from the peace process.
If it were up to me, I'd withdraw from the green line and support the West Bank's sovereignty (I believe they might be better of joining Jordan back, but Jordan wouldn't want it at all).
0d1068 No.693
>>663It absolutely isn't any different.
Our ability to recognize the immorality, now, however, is sufficient. The fact that we can reflect on the massacres of Indigenous Australians and think "fuck, that was barbarism at its finest" is telling and should dictate future policy.
>>681 Well, at least you agree. I just hope you can recognize that the entirety of your state was built on immoral and callous foundations. Just like the states of Australia and the U.S. I'm getting sick of hearing jews defend it as if it's their god given right to steal other peoples land.
d94638 No.695
>>693>I just hope you can recognize that the entirety of your state was built on immoral and callous foundationsIt was, just like every other country throughout history. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.
cbba7f No.699
>What is the official stance of this board on Palestine?
Peace with Israel is the only rational resolution.
East Jerusalem should be given back to Israel for ethical, historical and religious reasons.
2e8226 No.705
>>699so palestinians should just roll over and give in to every israeli demand and be shunted off the face of the earth?
8684b2 No.711
>>705sick strawman, rabbi shekelberg
how much is JIDF paying you
0d1068 No.717
>>695Well, that's not factually true. Not EVERY country was.
It just seems like you justify Israel's existence based on a history you recognize as immoral. A just outcome would be to return the entire territory to the Palestinians.
>>699Why? because a bunch of europeans decided to be jewish one day? No, bud.
d94638 No.721
>>717>A just outcome would be to return the entire territory to the Palestinians.How about you return Australia to the Aboriginals and go back to Europe first?
e859d9 No.723
>>721considering the australian government has been guilted into an aboriginal welfare system, id say the natives would be proper fucked if the australians decided to leave
be26a0 No.790
>>639>If anything, your reason has less legitimacyHow so?
Migration waves always happened, are happening and will continue to happen in the future. The land was under control of the British who were going to leave the area sooner or later anyway, after which a local government would have had to be established in any case.
Things could have turned out very differently if the arab leaders had stepped forth and entered the discussion with both the Peel commission and later the UN.
But they didn't.
>we have grown morally since thenNo, no we haven't.
>>670If Israel wanted to "genocide the Palestinians" as you say they would have done it decades ago. Supplying them with gas, water, electricity, medical care and infrastructure is a weird approach to genocide if you ask me.
Lots of people from Gaza used to drive to work in Israel every day prior to 2008, and nobody had any problems with it.
2e8226 No.797
>>790>supplying theme with infrastructurewhat is provided by israel to the palestinians is way way way less than any legitimate palestinian government would provide to its own people. the "support" of the israeli government is so limited as to thwart the growth of palestine as a state. Israel doesn't want to outright kill them themselves, they'd rather someone else do the dirty work and palestinians just disappear. If they did just kill everyone, i would think that some global community would object. then again, israel just murdered hundreds of children and no one gave a shit, so maybe genocide is happening right now.
d86078 No.798
>>578perma-victim status confirmed
acting superior to mankind
cheating even themselves
won't eat all their matzohs
(even at xmas)
ham products goes on sale just before major religious holidays
(user base in denial?)
d86078 No.799
google search haaretz articles on child prostitution in tel aviv
(importing children from russia and ukraine)
281662 No.802
>>617European countries?
my good friend, like many other Australians, you have fallen prey to the "European colonialist evil whitey Jew" propaganda line.
did you know that israel is over 50% Mizrahi? And the main justification is not "Muh holocaust" it is simply the fact that every group of people deserves the right not to be a perma-minority, whether a concentration camp prisoner or a dhimmi
2a0c96 No.810
>>799Horrible shit like that happens in every country, you know? It has nothing to do with anyone being Jewish or Israeli or not.
4a999d No.899
>Palestine
They had the poor luck of living in that region and not having strong financial/military backing.
53e47e No.902
Fuck Palestine.
They've had every opportunity for a state of their own. Hell, the land they would have got in 1948 would have been better than the land the Jews got. But every single time peace has been offered, they've responded by trying by declaring war on Israel and playing the victim game when they lost.
And I find it really amusing that the same "red pill" faggots, who are ultra-sceptical about every single claim that Jews or Israelis make about being victims, are willing to believe any claim the Palestinians make, no matter how absurd, simply because the Palestinians say so. Motivated scepticism in action.
It's this kind of shit that makes people wonder whether they're just antisemites.
b96717 No.908
>>902This.
We've won wars they've started and got land, this would be a legit move from any other first world country.
e9c4fe No.1022
>>902>>908what about all the other facts that make them the victims? all the deaths, the blockade, the occupation, the ongoing colonization?
How can you willingly ignore all this bullshit?
e9c4fe No.1023
>>711I don't understand. You're asking for pretty much everything Palestinians feel rightfully entitled for- Half of the fucking territory. You feel entitled to everything whereas they just want half. How are you entitled to that?
407105 No.1024
>>1023They already have half the territory
>inb4 you don't know the history of historic palestine but still feel expert enough to comment anyway f91da5 No.1125
>>617>Can you at least recognise that the creation of Israel was an immoral and unjust act?That would be way less stupid if you werent from a colony that used to euthanize natives and steal their children until a while ago
f91da5 No.1127
>>634Says the former colonial country that destroyed half of africa and killed 1/3 of all algerians
You dont get to talk about morality froggy, not ever
f91da5 No.1128
>>1022I don't know, how did quebec?
1c247f No.1139
>>634>french hating on better countries a49a2d No.1632
>>902
for the love of god someone cap this
000000 No.1650
Why couldn't Israel be founded somewhere else? Like somewhere in Africa where the media wouldn't care? Besides, there needs to be an alternative Jewish state that actually accepts ALL JEWS (limited rights for modern Jewish theologies).
89898c No.1651
>>1650
Because of our culture, no one would care if it was in africa.
Which do you think would work better?
>hey gang, we're a collective of jews who're going to settle in an african shithole surrounded by warlords and deseases, who's in?
>hey guys, we're going to settle and start a country in the land we have such a tremendous boner for which was kept orderly by now by the Brits and already has jewish settlements and grounds, who's in?
The thing you suggest was already proposed.
In one of the Jewish congresses uganda was proposed as an alternative to palestine.
some liked the idea, others didn't, but in the end folks agreed that people wouldn't bother with uganda, so we decided to keep insisting on Israel.
7d9f4b No.1657
>>578
I fully support palestine in their struggle against the oppressive nazi state of israel
But, then again, im a communist not a zionist
a192fb No.1664