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 No.1316

With today being December 7th on my side of the Pacific, I thought I'd ask this question: what is the Japanese opinion on WWII?

From what little I know, it seems that you guys aren't like the Germans who apologize at ever mention of the war. Are you proud of what your soldiers did in the war? Do you hate the U.S for using atomic bombs?

Will post pictures of IJN ships and other things related to the Pacific theater.

 No.1321

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While this picture is too small for my liking, it shows the Kaga (center) and Zuikaku (right) en-route to Pearl Harbor.

 No.1324

>>1316
Only it is my personal opinion, but dropped the atomic bomb is especially do not think anything.
Although weapons to issue as many as tens of thousands dead in just one shot is there a non-humanitarian,
You think that for granted of the war put the dead in order to beat the opponent.

If Once Japan has developed the atomic bomb first, and to would have been used in the United States side definitely,
I from the first place in spite of the already defeated before the bombing had been seen, leadership of Japan is due also to the fact that it was late to surrender.

あくまで私個人の意見ですが、原爆の投下は特に何も思わないです。
たった一発で何万人もの死者を出す兵器は非人道的ではありますが、
戦争というのは相手を負かすために死者を出すのは当たり前の事だと思います。

もし日本が先に原爆を開発していたら、間違いなくアメリカ側に使用していたでしょうし、
そもそも原爆投下前にすでに負けが見えてたにも関わらず、日本の指導部は降伏するのが遅れたことにも原因がありますからね。

 No.1325

>>1316
The first place it would view of roughly the Japanese is that is itself that it was war with the United States was reckless.
In spite of the half at the time of the world GDP were concentrated in the United States one country, it is due to the leadership did not appear at the time the power relationship between the country and other countries.

After even the national character I think there was a problem.
It is Toka constitution of Meiji subsequent country.
If you look at the post-war born from me, that society does not think only that crazy honest Japanese emperor was worshiped as God.

I think that the result in was good because that war was also an opportunity for changing a decent country Japan.


そもそもアメリカと戦争したこと自体が無謀だったというのが大体の日本人の見方でしょう。
当時世界のGDPの半分がアメリカ一国に集中していたにも関わらず、自国と他国の力関係が当時の指導部は見えていなかったのが原因です。

後は国民性にも問題があったと思います。
明治以降の国の体質とかですね。
戦後生まれの私から見れば、日本天皇を神と崇めたあの社会は正直狂っているとしか思えません。

あの戦争は日本をまともな国に変えたきっかけにもなったので結果的には良かったと思いますよ。

 No.1326

>>1316
>>1321
>what is the Japanese opinion on WWII?

人によって考えが違うと思う。
右寄りの人達を中心に、大日本帝国がやった戦争は列強から植民地化されたアジア諸国を解放して独立に貢献したので正しかった。
だから謝罪する必要はないと主張している人がいる一方、左寄りの人を中心に、その戦争は大日本帝国による侵略行為であり
過去に戦争犯罪を犯したという事実を受け入れなければならないと主張している人もいる。
他にも第二次世界大戦が起こっていた時、自分はまだ生まれていなかったので確かなことは言えないという人もいるかもしれない。

I think it would be depend on the person.
some people centred on rightists have argued that its war which the Empire of Japan did was right as they liberated colonised asian countries and contributed their independence from the great powers, therefore Japan never has to apologise to them.
on the other hand, some people, especially leftists, have argued its war is the act of aggression by the Empire of Japan and we, Japanese, should accept the fact of the war crimes which Japan committed in the past.
besides, part of people could say that we were not born yet when WWII had occurred so we really can't say for sure.

 No.1327

上述した通り、今の日本には様々な意見や考え方を持つ人達がいる。
しかしながら、若い人々はあまり気にしてない(というよりも、自分たちには関係がないことだと思っているように見える)けど
戦争を経験したお年寄り世代、特に特に原爆の影響を受けた一部の人達は、米国が原爆を使って広島や長崎の大勢を殺したのを非難するだろうと思う。

as I described above at >>1326, Japan has people with various sorts of thoughts and opinions to date.
however, I feel young people tend to care about it so much (or rather it looks to me that they tend to think it's not their business) though, but part of old people who experienced WWII, especially nuked and affected by atomic bombs, would accuse the U.S. and american soldiers of killing a large number of Hiroshima and Nagasaki civilians using them.

個人的には、もう戦後69年が経っているので、日本は他の国々と協力して世界平和へと向かうべきだと思うし
日本人や米国人、その他その戦争に巻き込まれた国々の人達は、どちらが良いか悪いかにかかわらず
これ以上恨んだり憎んだりすべきではないと思う。

In my opinion, 69 years have already gone by from the end of WWII, so I think that Japan should be headed for the world peace collaborating with other countries and Japanese, americans, and other people in countires involved in its war shouldn't hold it against each other any longer, regardless of which side was right or wrong.

**正直、この投稿を見て12月7日が真珠湾攻撃の日だと初めて知った。
to be honest, I didn't know that 7th December is the day that Imperial Japanese army attacked towards Pearl Harbour, up until I see your posts.**

 No.1328

>>1327
oh, jeez.
>I feel young people tend to care about it so much
I feel young people tend not to care about it so much*

 No.1329

>>1324
I agree. If a country is going to fight a war, it should not avoid from using whatever means or weapons. If a cause something is not worth using horrific weapons it is not worth having a war to begin.

 No.1330

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>>1324
>If Once Japan has developed the atomic bomb first, and to would have been used in the United States side definitely,

>もし日本が先に原爆を開発していたら、間違いなくアメリカ側に使用していたでしょうし、


Yes, I see what you mean. I think some people over here have that line of thought as well, and the phrase "all is fair in love and war" comes to mind.

はい、私はあなたが何を意味するかを参照してください。私はこっちに何人かの人々だけでなく、思考のそのラインを持っていると思うし、語句「すべては愛と戦争で公平である」とは、頭に浮かぶ。

>>1326
>>1327
Very interesting, I understand how the younger generations might not see it as any of their business.


>but part of old people who experienced WWII, especially nuked and affected by atomic bombs, would accuse the U.S. and american soldiers of killing a large number of Hiroshima and Nagasaki civilians using them.


>戦争を経験したお年寄り世代、特に特に原爆の影響を受けた一部の人達は、米国が原爆を使って広島や長崎の大勢を殺したのを非難するだろうと思う。


Our older generation is very similar, with many who are still incredibly angry about the war. Its interesting to see that many of these feelings are shared in your country as well, although the events that caused them are different.

私たちの古い世代は、まだ戦争についての信じられないほど怒っている多くの人々と、非常によく似ています。それらの原因となったイベントは異なるが、これらの感情の多くは同様にあなたの国で共有されているのは興味深いその。

>正直、この投稿を見て12月7日が真珠湾攻撃の日だと初めて知った。


>to be honest, I didn't know that 7th December is the day that Imperial Japanese army attacked towards Pearl Harbour, up until I see your posts.


It wouldn't surprise me if some Americans didn't know either!

いくつかのアメリカ人はどちらか知らなかった場合、それは私は驚かないだろう!

>>1329
I agree with this as well, and its part of the reason I always tell my senators to vote against war, because most people don't fully realize what will happen.

私もこれに同意し、ほとんどの人は完全に何が起こるか理解していないので、私はいつも、戦争に反対票を投じるために私の上院議員に伝える理由のその一部。


Pic related is the Akagi at sea.

関連picは海上で赤城です。

 No.1333

Over here, when we learned about WWII, we actually learned that using the atomic bombs was the least deadly solution America could think of to win the war. Using the a-bombs was a gamble to make the Japanese surrender.

Otherwise, troops would have been deployed in the southwestern part of Japan, and the Americans would have fought there way up.

If it came to that, I don't think Japan could have recovered. :(



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