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Jim, ignore the shills that are trying to attack you and 8chan.

intl shill

>>1363

Jim, these studys are from /ints/, ignore them.

Remember, we have proof that it's possible to track users on boards with UIDs

https://8ch.net/_i/20150925.txt

>The most damaging part of this bug was that it caused the unique ID of posts to be able to be looked up on 8archive.moe and tied to all threads a certain IP created on a certain board.

Though, it's "fixed" now. But the possibility of such an exploit, even independent of 8ch's codebase itself, probably still exists and Jim is probably using it to make money. 2ch did the same, and cuckchan probably does similar but with Google instead of Jim.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, as 8ch *is* Jim's property just like 2ch is. But being open about it would be nice.

inb4 someone screams shill

>>1370

Shill

>>1370

You could always look at the code…

Didn't Jim fire Hiro because of the data selling?

>>1380

Other way around, Hiro got mad at Jim for selling data. Jim fired him as a result. Of course, Hiro now makes money by selling cuckchan's data to Google so he's not exactly an angel.

Now, as a result Hiro is suing Jim over the repossession of the original 2ch domain. He touched on this in his q&a on cuckchan's /qa/ board.

That being said, we won't know *conclusively* and definitively who was in the right and who was in the wrong until the case concludes, assuming that it even goes to court and they don't settle. The case is supposedly scheduled for November but I can't give a source (other than Hiro's q&a) as I don't know anything about Japan's legal system.

My point is that Jim has this painfully obvious blind spot and he should at least be open about it. With cuckchan it's more obvious Google Capatcha and paid passes, and I believe moot said in his q&a a year ago that the money they get in via passes + regular ads + Google capatcha (which probably skims the data of people with connected G+ accounts) covers the site's operating expenses.

To put it more clearly, there's a gap here with why Jim would pay for 8ch and his work with 2ch heavily suggests that he is selling userdata. Now, even if the nip courts show that Jim dindu nuffin with 2ch there's still a gap as to why he would pay for both 2ch *and* 8ch.

Occams Razor suggests that there is only one answer: that he is profiting off the site somehow. And the only way I can think of is by selling userdata. Of course he *could* be doing it out of the goodness of his heart, but that would also assume that he isn't interested in money. Jim's a businessman, an American businessman in Silicon Valley to boot.

Some sources;

Hiro's side of his 2ch story:

http://imgur.com/Nxn6RW6

NT Technology, Jim Watkin's company:

http://www.nttec.com/

>>1381

>fired him

Or, more accurately, NT Technology assumed Packet Monster's assets (2ch). Hiro/PM didn't want to continue the 2ch pass after the leak, but NTT did. Given that NTT actually owned the physical server 2ch was on, they simply locked Hiro/PM out and continued on. Is this legal? Probably not, but then again NTT is a US company, PM is a Japanese one. PM also has a lot of unpaid court fees which Hiro, as PM's owner, deliberately chose to ignore and not pay while he was their admin.

>>1370

Ummm, except that Mods and Globals have access to your post history so that doesn't make any sense.

>>1381

8ch is not some study huge site, while cuckchan and 2ch have a far, far greater amount of users, profits, and costs. Were just a blip when compared to those numbers.

Annnnd what about Nippon sources and what do they say on this? Your relying entirely on secondhand information on something that happened in a foreign land in a foreign language. Until Anons who can read Moon start translating those Japanese documents and posts it's purely a he said, she said thing and your just speculating on false pretenses that cannot be proven by your confirmation bias.

>>1381

>Other way around, Hiro got mad at Jim for selling data. Jim fired him as a result.

1. "Hottolink" is a Japanese big data analytics and data mining company. They specialize in mining and selling the data behind social media, blogs, and bbs/forums. Hiroyuki has ongoing contractual obligations with Hottolink, as evidenced by the Hottolink CEO and an analysis report from this year[1][2][8].

2. "Niconico Douga" is Japan's equivalent of YouTube. Hiroyuki has some kind of involvement with Niconico, Hiroyuki's company Brazil Future Search provides the search solution for Niconico douga.[3]

3. Hiroyuki was a director of Niwango, Inc., the company that launched Niconico Douga, until 2013.[4]

4. "2ch.sc" is Hiroyuki's pirate site of 2ch.net. Hiroyuki made 2ch.sc to fulfill his contracts to Hottolink which provides him with millions of USD per annum according to Hottolink's published financial report[5][8].

5. "Mirai Kensaku Brazil" aka "Brazil Future Search" is Hiroyuki's search engine company specializing in real-time search solutions. They currently provide search for Niconico Douga and 2ch.sc and others.[6]

6. "Effyis" is a company that runs boardreader.com. They were recently bought out by Hottolink as the first expansion into the US market.[7]

[1]: https://www.facebook.com/koki.uchiyama/posts/10151950959717587

[1A]: https://archive.is/V6Ucc

[2]: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kokiuchiyama

[2A]: https://archive.is/n7841

[3]: http://info.niwango.jp/info/

[3A]: https://archive.is/k342u

[4]: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-02-18/hiroyuki-nishimura-resigns-as-director-at-niconico-niwango

[4A]: https://archive.is/ZmxGH

[5]: http://www.hottolink.co.jp/pdf/english/ir20150828.pdf

[5A]: https://archive.is/gJuLl

[6]: http://razil.jp/ourservice.html

[6A]: https://archive.is/5KZMR

[7]: http://socialmediaanalysis.com/2015/03/hottolink-acquired-socialgist.html

[7A]: https://archive.is/ClJiW

[8]: http://www.fisco.co.jp/uploads/hottolink_20150424_e.pdf

[8A]: https://web.archive.org/web/20150923140124/http://www.fisco.co.jp/uploads/hottolink_20150424_e.pdf

So, where is the evidence that N.T. Technology, Jim's company, was giving data to Hottolink or Hottolink's parent companies for semantic analysis?

Oh wait, all you have for evidence is a shitpost made by Hiro himself, who is notorious for shitposting up and derailing threads, and lying in general.

By the way, he recently pretty much confirmed these theories by trying to reassure cuckchan's users that Hottolink "only wants the text" or some stupid statement. Not sure, not ever going back there.

Ads are fine, but profiting wholesale on your userbase with semantic analysis and linking real identities with passes, that's bullshit. And it's exactly what Hiro did.

You have no evidence. You're not even a shill, you're an autist who defends scum like him for free.

>>1370

8ch software is open source, so if you find a security flaw, please report it immediately.

>Though, it's "fixed" now. But the possibility of such an exploit, even independent of 8ch's codebase itself, probably still exists and Jim is probably using it to make money.

this is an unfair thing to say about any website, since there is no completely secure website that allows people to submit content. cuckchans archive behaves the same way, and it wasn't noticed for over 5 months.

the part that needs proof is

>Jim is probably using it to make money.

the post history logs aren't valuable by themselves. it is the combination of post history logs and credit card information that is valuable to marketers and dangerous. when 2ch had it's data leaked in 2013, the outrage was because of combining IRL names and addresses with posting histories. 8chan does not have any kind of paid service yet, so there is no way to get personal information from posting logs easily.

another reason why 8chan is difficult to datamine, is that post histories are inconvenient to get across boards. in order to find the cross board history of an IP address, one must use a tool to search across every board to do this, which takes a really long time to do for just one user.

if you're concerned about datamining on 8ch (from the admins perspective), you can run a copy of 8ch yourself to see what the admin sees.

until 8ch implements some kind of paid service or adds a shitload of tracking cookies, i would not be concerned.

you are right that there should be more communication between the administration and the users though. i shouldn't have to explain this, 8ch should.

>>1387

>8ch is not some study huge site, while cuckchan and 2ch have a far, far greater amount of users, profits, and costs. Were just a blip when compared to those numbers.

Still a cost though. One that a business would recognize.

>Your relying entirely on secondhand information on something that happened in a foreign land in a foreign language.

>that cannot be proven by your confirmation bias.

Same for you. It's literally Hiro's word vs. Jim's. Neither are very trustworthy. Which means the lawsuit between them is something to watch.

>>1389

>so if you find a security flaw, please report it immediately.

Ah, but what happens if the flaw is with the actual service provider? That's what happened with 2ch.

>8chan does not have any kind of paid service yet

>>>>yet

I'm being shitty with that point though. My argument is that NTT played an underhanded game with 2ch, and they are now 8ch's owners. Jim hasn't given an answer as to why exactly he pays for a midsize website, so I'm going to assume that somewhere along the line he's figured out how to make money off it. It's easier to assume hebrewry than it is to assume that someone wouldn't pass up the opportunity to make money when they already have shown that they wouldn't (see the 2ch debacle).

But, I'll still admit that there is no conclusive evidence either way. The result of the lawsuit between Hiro and Jim could settle that if the public is allowed access to it's ruling.

>>1392

>Ah, but what happens if the flaw is with the actual service provider?

The flaw was with the administrator. That was Hiro. Again, zero evidence to back up your assertions.

Reiterating them does not make your assertions true.

>no conclusive evidence either way

How is the studying CEO of Hottolink outright stating that after Hiro was removed, the data stopped coming?

You've been thoroughly blown the study out in this thread. Git gud at shitposting. Hiro is a pro, learn from him.

>>1394

Babby lost the argument and is going to start spamming the board with this trip.

The Saloon is a joke. You yogigots really are turboautists.

Beep beep boop boop. Genuine autist robots who don't show any sign of stopping their shitposting until the end of their natural lives. The cause being, inevitably, a heart attack.

>>1397

>The flaw was with the administrator. That was Hiro. Again, zero evidence to back up your assertions.

And what evidence do YOU have? You don't, same as myself. Again, it's Hiro's words vs NTT's. Or rather, 2ch's founder vs 2ch's current owner.

>How is the studying CEO of Hottolink outright stating that after Hiro was removed, the data stopped coming?

Any actual, tangible proof? Because again it is just his word. Hiro claimed Jim was a liar and is taking him to court over it. Jim hasn't responded (which is probably a good idea) and certainly has not proven that the data mining isn't continuing.

Again, this is why the lawsuit is so important to follow. Because it will essentially tell us who's in the right.

>>1408

Dispute the evidence in >>1388

It's all there. The primary, and most compelling evidence being the Hottolink CEO making that statement. Namely, implying that Hiro was providing Hottolink with that data.

>Any actual, tangible proof?

I've already linked to the statement.

I can link it again, if you are illiterate, but I'm not sure it would help:

[1]: https://www.facebook.com/koki.uchiyama/posts/10151950959717587

[1A]: https://archive.is/V6Ucc

[2]: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kokiuchiyama

[2A]: https://archive.is/n7841

If you haven't read >>1388 and examined the sources, then you have no right to continue this argument. Dispute what has been laid out.

>>1408

Everything pints to Hiroyuki, though. He has ties with Hottolink, he owns the search engine tech used to datamine 2ch and later it's clone. There is a huge message on top, you can check info from it yourself, it's legit.

Sorry, /ints/, but the evidence so far is against Hiroyuki.

As for Jim's lack of knowledge about this, he was just a host provider, it is my understanding that he didn't meddle in 2ch operations until the whole thing blew open.

I DON'T KNOW WHO TO BELIEVE ANYMORE.

>>1427

Trust nobody, not even yourself.

If you're that worried, use tor or vpn. 8chan allows for it. You won't leave anything at all to track you by.

>>1388

>4. "2ch.sc" is Conman's pirate site of 2ch.net. Conman made 2ch.sc to fulfill his contracts to Hottolink which provides him with millions of USD per annum according to Hottolink's published financial report[5][8].

You say Conman is selling private data. If this is true, how is he earning money by scraping only public data from 2ch.net? Unless you're implying that Jim is storing private data somewhere Conman can access it… hmm…

Also, no one is denying that Conman sold data to hottolink, he himself said that he was doing it.

>>1432

>Conman

lmao nice one Jim, I mean Hir0yuki

>>1437

That was sarcasm, you big silly. Did you even read my post at >>1432 ? I think Jim is a yogigot and a liar.

unless you're being sarcastic, in which case my post is also sarcastic.

>>1438

>yogigot

lmao nice one Jim, I mean f4ggot

>>1432

He's mirroring posts, not the actual user data.

You guys sounds supremely technically illeterate. Go, ask /tech/ how this shit works.

>>1441

*illiterate

Kek!

>>1461

Jim was also maintaining the servers, I believe. Apples to oranges.

And even if he did have the domain only, his relationship with Nishimura + 2ch was dramatically closedr than the relationship between Godaddy and a random customer.

>>1467

The only thing we have are first hand accounts. There's no reason to believe Jim but not Nishimura.

bump for relevance.

>>1433

im with /pol/ mod AMA this is fishy manure

>>1389

>8chan does not have any kind of paid service yet

unless you count self-service banner-ads

>>1685

We have Self service banner service available.

http://softserve.8ch.net/