No.18757
Isn't an unfertilized egg an equivalent to egg cells from menstruation? Why would people eat leftovers of menstrual cycle?
No.18758
>>18757
Why do people drink liquid that come out of a cow's tits? Who's the first guy who thought of doing that?
No.18760
they taste good and are nutritious, OP
No.18763
>>18759
I always pronounced it "gyp", like when you get ripped off because that's what this board is.
No.18764
>>18763
More like "ripped on", if you know what I mean.
No.18767
what are some legitimate excuses arguments that support neetism? besides nihilism and hedonism or whatever.
i always tell myself things like:
"i refuse to contribute to the consumer capitalist wage slave machine"
"an individual's freedom is worth much more than anything a job could provide"
"i would end up doing more harm than good to society if i was given that kind of responsibility"
"making profit means somebody is being exploited, and i'd rather leech off my family than a stranger"
but recently my neet spirit is starting to wane and i'm not sure how much longer i can maintain my rationalizations virtuous ideals. any philosophy otaku out there that can help me?
No.18771
>>18767
>philosophy
>values
>2015
No.18772
>>18767
People think this comic is just for trolling, but I take it very seriously. There are no rewards for being a wageslave, and to me doing menial shit is like psychological torture. All I can think about is how much I want to do other things, and how I'm wasting so much of my life doing things I don't want to do for no real reason.
Society already stole a huge chunk of my life when I had to spend 13 years in their indoctrination centers, and now they want me to grind out my years as a cog in the machine? Yeah right. I want to live life on my own terms and all that requires is time. I don't need money or validation.
No.18773
>>18767
>what are some legitimate excuses arguments that support neetism?
Being able to use your time in whatever way you desire is fun and nice; infinitely better than having to slave away at some boring job you hate and having to get up when it is dark and cold outside and you should be sleeping under your comfy blankets!
I have been NEET for a while now and it's the happiest time of my life. So if you need a philosophical argument, I'd say that living happily the way you desire is always preferable to living miserably.
No.18775
incredibly shitty thread wasshoi
No.18778
>>18775
What is a shitty thread? What is a good thread?
Aren't quality threads a subjective abstract concept invented in our minds that cannot be truly reached? All that in order to be praised by internet people?
No.18779
>>18778
this is an objectively shitty post
No.18782
>>18779
>objectively shitty
You are saying it on purpose.
No.18788
Objectively shitty thread wasshoi!
No.18816
>>18773
But what if someone enjoys their job or their position in society?
What if it's rewarding when you find a job that pays well? I've heard there's many out there.
Could it be you're just too much of a depressed weeaboo to go and find out for yourself?
No.18822
>>18816
Someone here who used to be NEET and now has a stable and easy job with a good atmosphere.
It's fucking terrible.
Every moment I wish that I was at home doing whatever I want.
It's not even about the job itself.
It's just the fact that I can't just go home and do whatever I want, there are eyes on me constantly. Expectations everywhere.
I hate it so much even though I get along with my coworkers.
I consider becoming a hobo right now
No.18823
>>18822
I agree, responsibility is terrible.
The mere concept of a job is oppressive to the common man, society should be liberated from this archaic concept, then and only then can humanity find utopian peace.
No.18826
Actually, you can not not work except when society allows you to NEET it up. Modern man only works because he knows that for the work he's done he's gonna get cash which in turn is gonna get him some food and water. Which is the ultimate reason why anyone would ever think about working. If no one would be working we'd be back to every family having their own back yard with vegetables. And that itself is work. Work's been always there and it will be there until we perish from this earth. And as it says in the bible:
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
2 Thess, 3:10
Work per se is not a bad thing. Work has enabled us to find revolutionary breakthroughs in mechanics, science, medicine, electronics and a lot of other fields. It's helped us to make the world with all the technology we've made to be what it is today. The problem that lies with work is that you sometimes don't know if the work you're doing has any meaning and in turn result in unsatisfaction. Who has a more satisfactionary occupation: The salary man that works for a big corp and sits on his ass infront of the PC all day checking stats and writing reports or the smith that takes a lump of what seems to be unalterable steel and turns it into something handy like a plough.
I'm still young and I still have time to decide what I want to do with my life in the not so distant future but I believe that with technology (which results in work) we can make our life more enjoyable.
No.18828
>>18823
If anything, it is the common man, the normalcuck, who would find fulfillment in some tedious and exhausting job as opposed to satisfying his own desires regardless of what society expects of him.
In a thoroughly materialistic age bereft of all greatness and higher ideals, what better thing is there to do other than to fulfill your desires and to find enjoyment while being totally free of most obligations? How can you view serving as a cog in a larger system as something dignified when the system itself doesn't strive for greatness?
I honestly cannot see your point.
No.18829
>>18826
i agree with this. its not so much "work" that i'm against, but rather the idea of "employment", especially in big corporations. i dont know how things would work out economically in a society without 9-5 drones and whatnot but i personally dont want any part in the workforce as it is. i probably wouldnt mind doing freelance, commission or crowd-funding or something assuming the actual work content is something i enjoy (and i dont have to pay taxes). regardless, i think "work" is necessary. if you want something, you do what is necessary to obtain it. for the leech neet, this means gaining food and internet by not sabotaging their relationship with family or welfare etc. i've put in a decent amount of "work" convincing my parents to not kick me out, but not as much as they do to keep me alive. the exchange of work and reward is not always fair. we all want maximum gain with minimal work, but some things can only be gained with maximum work. if you want it, you do the work.
ps. its "jay-philosophy"
No.18830
Progress in robotics will be our salvation. Why work when you can get a robot to do it for you? If anything, work towards that goal.
No.18831
philosophy isn't you complaining about your mcjob you friggen nerds. come back when you want a serious discussion about the ontology of 2hu anuses
>>18826 is pretty dumb because technology cheerfully refutes those historically imposed conditions to the point where even the simple act of procuring sustenance has been stripped of all meaning and significance. The industries that arguably fulfill human biological need only represent a miniscule fraction of total economic activity. Not to suggest assembling bits of plastic into varying arrangements is less inherently arbitrary than sustaining the existence of the global human population.
>>18816
>>18823
>>18829
This has never been a serious point of ethical debate. Members of the sub-upper class are left to toil not because of some collective existential reflection or weighty metaphysical discourse, but because all your asses are utterly owned by nepotism and plutocracy. You can't bludgeon someone to death and take their resources under the collective delusion of society, so you are left to coerce elements of the establishment to part with a tiny fraction of their unimaginable wealth by engaging in wage labor. Unfortunately for you, those same activities have a general tendency of consolidating and propagating those absurdly disparate entities.
There's never been anything dignified about it, but it's become so deeply embedded in the ethos of the lower classes out of necessity. You are nothing more than modern serf.
No.18839
>>18816
Unless you have a job you genuinely enjoy doing. Like your job is your hobby I think being a NEET is far more preferable.
No.18840
>>18831
I see, so, to eliminate the ever oppressing "job" we must eliminate the classes that divide society itself.
If society were classless, there would be no serf, and no need for any work whatsoever.
No.18845
If wageslaves are serfs then are NEETs the noble samurai who take their grain?
No.18852
>>18840
Unlike marx I'm not retarded enough to advocate a magical solution predicated upon speculatory masturbation about the developmental limits of technology and extremely specific assumptions about collective human behavior. There will always be classes, they just wont always be determined by material wealth.
No.18857
>>18855
i think you're going to have to elaborate for me.
No.18861
>>18857
Probably means that NEETs exist outside of the system
No.18862
>>18861
They have to be inside the system in part because they are dependent on it
No.18863
>>18862
That goes without saying, but since there is no contribution coming from the class, they would categorize similarly to children, if not below since they are not receiving any form of education that could be seen to benefit to the state.
No.18865
>>18863
Well most education isn't any benefit to anyone.
If you live in the burgerland high school education doesn't land you a decent job.
And most universities degrees are fluff that don't convey any usefull skills , even if they weren't over inflated.
So you have a bunch of people majoring in economically worthless majors and then "work" at government or non-profit make work job , because no one wants the service they provide.
No.18868
>>18865
>universities degrees are fluff that don't convey any usefull skills
but m-muh critical thinking sk1lls!!..
No.18869
>>18868
Don't talk like that.
No.18927
>>18868
>critical thinking sk1lls!!
only if you're STEM autist will you have employable skills.
No.18928
>>18927
It was ironic and the argument is frequently employed to defend BA programs.
No.18932
>>18822
I'm in pretty much the same situation as you, along with crippling depression and anxiety.
I've been seriously considering suicide or just homelessness like you.
There's just no point in doing anything other than what you want to do, there never has been and there never will be.
No.22253
I have devoted my existence to the negation of forms.
No.22256
>>22253
Does that involve taking a cock up the ass?
No.22278
No.22283
>>18822
I've heard good things about farming for this exact reason.
You work hard for a few months a year-- 2 months in the spring and 2 months in the fall,-- all under your own supervision and for your own benefit, and then you take it easy for the rest of the year. You're never trapped anywhere either; if you're harvesting and you want to take an early lunch or do a quick run of TH8 you're able to do that. There's a reason Jefferson wanted a nation based around farmers.
It's my second job choice after, ironically, the military.
No.22288
quick /jp/ conspiracy: cripple is deliberately fucking up the front page to make saging less effective
No.22289
>>22278
I liked black and white.
No.22294
>>22289
i know you try so hard but you really can't be an otaku on yourself, peter.
No.22899
English looks weird without contractions, do not you think so?
No.22920
hey jayphil, my family keeps telling me to groom myself and wear nice clothes, but i refuse to because i do not particularly care about my appearance and what other people think, at least not enough to put much effort into it. i still shower and brush my teeth every day and try to avoid unhealthy and unhygienic behaviours. i actually look pretty good when i clean up but i think neetcore is more becoming of my character. why would i dress as if i was a social person when i simply am not? i feel the same way about nice clothes as i do about facebook and instagram etc. people need to stop trying to paint an idealized picture of themselves and play it off as reality and start working on improving their true selves. it is a better use of time and resources to aim for virtue rather than a superficial facade (i am not working very hard for virtue either, but that does not invalidate my argument, it just means i am a shitty person). i have yet to be presented with a legitimate argument that supports taking care of your appearance besides "people might think less of you" which can effect your social life e.g. job opportunities, finding a mate. this stuff is all inconsequential to me at this point so i am struggling to find a good reason to get a haircut. i guess it comes down to the fact that my family does not support my lifestyle and are going to kick me out if i do not get a job, but that is another story. what are your thoughts on this matter? ps i do not necessarily think it is wrong to make assumptions based on appearances; that can not be helped.
>>22899
this feels uncomfortable
No.22938
>>22920
I got a hair cut the other day, mainly because it was getting all over the place and I kept eating it.
I also want to buy a fluffy cardigan because they are comfy and cool as heck.
And the only reason I have not to look like a complete failure is to not bring much attention to me. The world is a dangerous place and I don't want to bring the attention of nerd bullies. So much like a herbivore I want to be as discrete as possible.
I also often get mistaken as a girl on the streets, you'd be surprised how much of a difference on treatment a few inches of hair makes.
No.23413
It recently occured to me that classical phil is pretty cringeworthy and delusional.
No.23417
>>23416
Socrates and, subsequently, Plato effectively thought that if you confine a human to a basement for their entire life they will be as "knowledgeable" as anyone else. The era's conception of epistemology is feeble in its arrogance and their ethics and political philosophies are indignities that do not even deserve acknowledgement.
Their contributions to logic are tolerable if you find the field useful. I unfortunately do not share such enthusiasm and hold a special disdain for the entire domain and its practitioners. The ape who thought that a transient neurochemical state is somehow equivalent to another subset of material reality is frankly undeserving of my relentless mockery.
No.23420
>>23417
>if you confine a human to a basement for their entire life they will be as "knowledgeable" as anyone else
>anyone else
You really need to get your platonic exegesis right buddy.
First of all Plato never thought that anyone could be a philosopher, he thought it took a special kind of autist to be knowledgeable, see the chariot allegory. He then also ironically admits that philosophers are complete and utter morons at the majority of tasks that are to be found outside a basement, it's even on the Apology of Socrates. Knowledgeable people or philosophers, the ones in the basement just contemplate the perfect Ideas making them utterly stupid at menial tasks like making shoes or plowing fields. Not "just as knowledgeable as anyone else".
> The ape who thought that a transient neurochemical state is somehow equivalent to another subset of material reality is frankly undeserving of my relentless mockery
Almost no one is undeserving of your mockery, specially not Plato or any classical philosopher. Even the most hardened analytical, hell, even the most extreme asshats in the Vienna Circle never thought that.
Just take both of the most extreme mathematical (Platonic) realists, Frege and Godel, they would have laughed at your face.
The only group of people I know that actually believe that are delusional STEM majors.
Now, before mocking philosophical traditions again read some more, kudasai.
No.23423
>>23420
That's some greek fire level of burn right there
No.23427
>>23420
It was a simple analogy to reinforce the absurdity of apriori knowledge as a concept, not a totalizing summary of his work.
>special kind
He literally attributed human cognition to divine origin. Don't let the self-deprecation convince you he wasn't a masturbating snowflake.
>the most hardened analytical, hell, even the most extreme asshats in the Vienna Circle never thought that
I should probably clarify my position. Logical forms are dumb because the form itself is neither mentally repeatable across humans (in a neurological sense) nor equivalent to any physical instance. Concepts are an arbitrary subset of inherently chaotic and inextricably unitary material phenomenon that is selectively salient to humans out of immediacy and practicality. Concepts that can accurately describe some informational aspect of physical reality are infinite, because the divisions and scale that humans operate at aren't really bound by anything. Practically, most concepts people retain are just the ideational detritus conditioned into them by local political and economic power structures.
I take extreme joy in shattering the intellectual efforts of generations of shit apes. There's nothing that fills me with contempt as decisively as a mathematical proof.
>read some more
This is by far the most detrimental advice I've heard in a while. It's arguably the reason I'm here right now.