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I think the general attitude has been gradually shifting towards we didn't do anything/it never happened end of the spectrum, as evidenced by the behavior of the political elite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust#Motivation

>The members of the battalion were middle-aged men of working-class background from Hamburg, who were too old for regular military duty. They were given no special training for genocide and at first, the commander gave his men the choice of opting out of direct participation in murder of 1,500 Jews from Józefów if they found it too unpleasant. The majority chose not to exercise that option; fewer than 12 men, out of a battalion of 500 did so on that occasion. Influenced by postwar Milgram experiment on obedience, Browning argued that the men of the battalion killed out of peer pressure, not blood-lust

An underexplored theme in contemporary material, I think.

>>23213

It's a surmised excerpt from related literature. Not all wikipedia articles have to be poorly composed, you know.

It comes form Confucian ethics and the reactionary nature of the ideology.

Rarely they will think the system is wrong or faulty it is always a corrupt elite that some virtuous hero resets to the original pristine state his ancestors conceived it.

Hirohito did nothing wrong, there is nothing wrong with an Empire it was just evil perverted Tojo and his pal's blood lust that got the emperor himself! Nip soldiers did nothing wrong they were just following orders! And they did the right thing for trusting their Emperor! They even have a shrine.

But it's not like 'Murrica or much of the west does anything much different or superior. /pol/ is the living proof.

>>23212

>I think the general attitude has been gradually shifting towards we didn't do anything/it never happened end of the spectrum

GATE is a great example of this.

>>23224

>There was nothing inherently wrong with national socialism either

``lmao''

>>23224

>national socialism

You mean authoritarianism flavored with institutionalized racial elitism? It's not exactly politically unique.

>>23224

>inherently wrong with national socialism either

yes there was.

It was authoritarian ideology , that had undergo massive deficit spending from borrowing for its economic "miracle", which was nothing more than dumping all this money into these short term projects rather than having any correspondence with actual long term demand , which was essentially partying today by using the future as collateral . Just like Bush and Obongo.

Even if war or no war , Germany would faced a similar situation as Japan or Greece today.

Declining or little GDP growth , and a high debt to GDP , to the point where everyone is dependent on public spending for "stimulus" yet there is no money.

>>23241

As I understand it, the currency in the Third Reich was largely based on the labor of the German workers, as opposed to gold or similar materials. The Germans' main problem was that their currency was pretty much worthless internationally, which is why they did international trade mostly without money, preferring to trade goods for resources instead. They were fucked when the Poles demanded their road and railway tolls to be paid in Zloty instead of Reichsmark during summer 1939, which the Krauts were unable to do.

Moreover, I believe that any government with the intention to shatter the Versailles Dictate and to make Germany strong enough to become an independent player in Europe again and resist communist aggression would've had to take risky economic policies regardless of the circumstances.

I'm not even a nazi, but I admire Hitler's determination to make his country great again, against all odds. And the stuff he managed to accomplish until 1943 was impressive, to say the least. To say the system was flawed because of economic weaknesses is kind of silly, because the alternative would've been communism.

>>23248

>I admire Hitler's determination to make his country great again, against all odds.

I wouldn't even call him lucky to get that far.

The Allies simply wanted a strong buffer focused on destroying the USSR. The paranoia across the Europe regarding the soviets was pretty much the only reason why Hitler could rebuild military-industrial complex and do all those peaceful annexations before 1939 without any counter-reaction from the UK and France. Even the invasion of theoretically allied Poland in 1939 was a ``sacrifice'' to ensure Germs and commies would clash faster due to their mutual hate.

For example, Germany could've been raped quickly if the France and Britain decided to stop it during the remilitarization of Rhineland. French had a superior military in 1936 and with something like UK support and maybe Polish or Czech attack from the other side Hitler would get destroyed fast.

>>23248

>make his country great again

>"The basic feature of our economic theory is that we have no theory at all."

Nah, it seems like it was kept alive by the network of technocrats under him until his insanity and incompetence finally brought it all to ruin. The war effort as a whole was seemingly sustained by slaves and theft from conquered populations.

>>23249

Yeah, I agree Hitler was certainly put in an advantageous geopolitical position. His greatest accomplishments were political in nature, like channeling the dissatisfaction of the working class into supporting his ideology rather than communism. He also made some good military decisions, such as allowing men like Guderian to reform the Wehrmacht, approving Manstein's plan for the invasion of France, or prioritizing the destruction of enemy forces and conquest of resource areas over focusing on the political center in Russia. The quality of his strategic decisions began to deteriorate severely from 1942 onwards, interestingly.

>>23254

Weren't most nationalist and traditionalist movements rather undogmatic when it came to economic policy? "Allow competition, but intervene when it benefits us"; it seems like a logical approach for an authoritarian right-wing government.

>>23256

>The quality of his strategic decisions began to deteriorate severely from 1942 onwards, interestingly.

Didnt his mind start deteriorating from a narcotics addiction, because of a prescription from his doctor?

>>23258

That'd make his whole story even more sad and depressing tbh.

>>23248

> preferring to trade goods for resources instead

Like they did with the USSR after Molotov-Ribentrop

>resist communist aggression

aside from the Spanish civil war and some border conflicts in Asia there wasn't much the USSR could do prior to the end of the decade.

Until then the USSR had a relatively small volunteer military , and was no where as near as industrialized as the other western powers were , and was somewhat in a bind if Stalin wanted to fuck up Europe. They were the ones who threw their lot in with the LoN , among other things, because they were not a position of strength , no to mention that "socialism in one country" was for the most part still in effect.

> economic weaknesses is kind of silly, because the alternative would've been communism

This is different from the previous argument that there was nothing inherently wrong with NatSoc.

But putting that aside this assumes that some other right or right-wing movement in Germany wouldn't have been able to take hold in the early 30s, not to mention what I had stated above.

Further more this over looks the trend towards a more state socialist , more marxist approach towards the economy, particularity after the economic crisis of 1936 caused by this glut of money being dropped into the economy in 1933.