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410667 No.490

My lack of skill in Japanese precludes me posting in the appropriate manner, so please forgive my English.

I have some questions about the confection known as Youkan(羊羹)

I have seen it being consumed in various films and, until recently, believed it was a sort of fudge. Having searched the name on a whim after seeing it mentioned in a book, I discovered that it was in fact a jelly.

I have a certain interest in purchasing some to serve at my tea parties alongside the usual petite fours, and was wondering if perhaps someone would be willing to advise me as to proper etiquette, service, and brands.

In particular I am interested in what the name of the utensil I have seen it being consumed with is called. Whether there are prestige producers of the utensil, and if so who they are. What teas you would recommend serving with it. And whom is the prefered manufacturer of a high quality Youkan.

Additional recommendations of confections that may be included in a western tea would also be appreciated.

I thank you in advance for your consideration, and once more apologize for the rudeness of my language.

48bbed No.498

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>>490
Thank you for your post and welcome!

I'm sorry I am so sleepy now… (It is 23:55 now in Japan.)
I want to answer it correctly as well as I can for you.
So please wait.

Anyway my father like Youkan(羊羹) very much!

d9f626 No.500

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>>490
>the utensil.
Is it the one which is in front of Youkan in this picture?
If so, it is "Kashi-youji(菓子楊枝)".

>What teas you would recommend serving with it.

Eating Youkan, there are no rules. We usually have green tea with Youkan.

Unfortunately, I don't like sweets.
Perhaps other Japanese would recommend you sweets.

410667 No.504

>>498
Thank you very much. I greatly appreciate the warm welcome.

>>500
I see. As I understand it there is also softer varieties of Youkan. Would it be possible to serve it Russian since it is a jelly?

60bcbf No.506

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>>504
I don't take Youkan as a jelly. Because Youkan is something to eat without cooling.

Do you like 小豆(red beans)? Have you eaten 餡(red bean jam) is also used in Chinese snacks?
It has unique flavor. Not all people like it.
And Youkan is made from red bean (jam).

If you like chocolate, I recommend 八つ橋(Yatsuhashi) of chocolate flavor as other Japanese sweets.
But I don't know whether it's obtainable in the US.
I'm sorry for not being able to help you.

48bbed No.507

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>>490
>advise me as to proper etiquette, service,
There is no special rule, but my grandmother gave me some advice when I was a child.
・You serve Japanese sweet first and then put tea on the table.
・You put sweet on the left and put tea on the right of your guest like your pic.
>brands
・"Toraya (虎屋)" is one of the most famous Youkan brands in Japan.
But I don't know if it is available in the US.
When you eat one piece of Youkan, you cut it one-by-one into bite-sized from right to left by "Kashi-youji(菓子楊枝)"
like this ↓ with pic of " how to eat"
cut it into bite-sized (1)
eat 2
cut it again (3)
eat 4
・・・・・
If you are a lady, this way to eat seems more beautifully than the way to bite into a big one.
However, for left-handed person, cutting it from the right is difficult. I think you don't have to mind the start line strictly.

48bbed No.508

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>>490
>the utensil
Yes, it is called "Kashi-youji(菓子楊枝)" or "Kuro-moji(黒文字)".
Those are almost disposable, but you can also get non- disposable.
My mother has Lacquer 黒文字 and they feel nice. If you bought some kinds of them, you can use them again and again.
But attention! Too tiny forked-youji sometimes may bother you when you wash it.

There is also a littele fork called "Hime-fork(ヒメフォーク). You canuse it Japanese sweet and some fruites.

48bbed No.509

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>>504
> softer varieties of Youkan
It may be 水羊羹(Mizu-Youkan). It is very soft. If you served it, you mght have better give not Youji but a little spoon I think.
>it is a jelly?
Well…. If I were you I would say
" This is one of Japanese sweet. Do you think it is kinda jelly? "
And I would prepare other confections in case he/she doesn't like Youkan.
For example, Daifuku(大福), Imo-kenpi(芋ケンピ), Kaki-no-tane(柿の種←It is not sweet) etc.

I'm sorry unfortunately, I don't like sweets neither…..<(_ _)> So I need time to think.

410667 No.516

>>506
Yes I have had 鯛焼き and I enjoyed the flavour of 餡. Thank you for your recommendation it was of great help. I will see to ordering some.

>>507
Does etiquette require you serve an entire bar of Youkan to a single guest, or if there is a wide selection of confections is it permissible to slice the Youkan and place it on a pastry stand to allow the guests to eat at their leisure?

>>508
This is very helpful indeed it is. Is there a particular company that is known for producing prestige 黒文字?

>>509
I was curious as to the texture of 水羊羹. Is it soft enough that if mixed with the tea the sugar would melt and it would blend with the tea in a manner similar to Russian tea service?

I have made 餅 with a friend one New Year's day. As such 大福 should be simple enough to make.


Thank you all so much for your suggestions. This am sure this will prove a novel service for our next tea party.

48bbed No.517

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>>516
>an entire bar of Youkan to a single guest
There is each size of Youkan, but almost all Youkan bars are long and big.
To serve entire bar of Youkan to a single guest is usually too big for a person, therefore you had better slice it into 2.5-3.0 cm(about 1-1.2 inches) pieces.
I think my explanation in
>>507
was difficult for you because of my poor English…sorry!
If it is small like Hitokucchi-Youkan (On the right of the left pic), it is OK.

>permissible to slice the Youkan and place it on a pastry stand to allow the guests to eat at their leisure

Of course!
It sounds a nice idea.
There is no special rule to eat it. The most important thing is that you enjoy eating it with your friends!

48bbed No.518

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>>516
>particular company that is known for producing prestige 黒文字?
I found "さるや(Saruya)" producing "とらや"'s 黒文字.
The shop has kept making Yoji for 300 years (from Edo era), and it is known as the only specialty store of youji in Japan.
http://www.nihonbashi-saruya.co.jp/
http://www.nihonbashi-saruya.co.jp/products/kuromoji.html
日本橋 木屋 "Kiya" also sells 黒文字, but is doesn't seem its original production. It may be produced by さるや.

Lacquer 黒文字 doesn't seem to have special company thus far, because there are many lacquer workers. I'm sorry two sites are from rakuten.
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/isuke/sty-25/
http://item.rakuten.co.jp/kumejirow/krm02/?scid=af_pc_etc&sc2id=66742679
http://mpn.cjn.or.jp/mpn/contents/00002095/page/5101.html
↑toooo expensive (120000 ten for one set)
You can get them easily when you go to the area where is famous as lacquer like 輪島, Ishikawa prefecture.
They costs about 300-600 yen / one. You may be able to buy them on ebay(? I don't know exactly, sorry.)

That " Hime-fork(ヒメフォーク)" is made by 工房アイザワ " Koubou Aizawa" selected for Permanent Design Collection, Museum of Modem of Art New York 1986.
http://www.kobo-aizawa.co.jp/design.html
http://www.cotogoto.jp/category/58.html

48bbed No.523

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>>516
I would like to reply to your post
>>516
> Is it soft enough that if mixed with the tea the sugar would melt
> and it would blend with the tea in a manner similar to Russian tea service?

W-Well, you mean you put 水羊羹 in tea and mix it like strawberry jam in Russian tea?

I-I have never heard that way, so I can't answer it immediately.
Mizu-Youkan is softer than Youkan actually, but It is not sweeter than youkan (therefore I like Mizu youkan better than Youkan).

If you put Mizu-youkan in tea, I don't know if it is sweet enough to enjoy drinking it for you or not.
You may have to put some suger into them, I think.

I may misunderstand your sentence. If so, please correct me. So sorry….

I'll try to ask some friends whether it is yummy enough or not.

48bbed No.524

>>517
Sorry.
>On the right of the left pic
means
On the left of the left picture

410667 No.577

>>523
Yes that is exactly what I was asking. Thank you for your assistance, it was very helpful.

48bbed No.603

>>577
:)

Unfortunately there has been no friend who put 水羊羹 in tea thus far・・・
Our opinion for your idea is finally
"Try it if you could get 水羊羹 easily at the shop near your house, then decide it by yourself."

Because we can't imagine it is yummy and sweet enough for you and your friends to drink it.

I hope you will have happy tea time with your friends anyway!!! XD



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