/k/ - Weapons

Paratrooper training.

Damn flood detection. It will not stop the offensive.

Colored/colorized WW2 pics are always fun…

Note the Rába Botond. One of the best all-terrain infantry vehicles of WW2. It handled the Russian mud like a boss.

Too bad only one of them remain by now.

>>313230

>Natsoc

Yes and no. Hungary was a democracy with open elections all the way up to 1944. On the other hand, the Arrow Cross Party (a local brand of what you might call national socialism) gained significant popularity and power until they seized the government in 1944.

They were scum btw. Not a single old person I ever talked to or any memoir I read about the times had anything good to say about them.

>clay

Yes, we lost clay to our neighbors after WW1 and regaining it was our first priority.

>what stake

We had no choice. Adolf helped us regain some of our clay and… …well, tagging along with him seemed like a good idea at the time. Besides, it was either this or becoming a protectorate of the Reich, neutrality was not an option. Neither was trusting the Allies.

>>313237

Thanks for the knowledge, Magyarbro.

44M Buzogányvető ("Mace Launcher").

Our very own home grown anti-tank missile. Little known fact: Hungary was the third country in history to develop and deploy it's very own anti-tank missile technology. After the USA and Germany.

Only a few were used though, mostly around the siege of Budapest. A pity, the Buzogányvető was an effective weapon. According to my research, it had an anti-infantry fragmentation version as well.

>>313239

No problem, feel free to stick around.

>>313253

I'll post about the Szent László Division later on, you'll like them; an elite unit of the old Royal Hungarian Army, fully trained at airborne operations.

The Soviets hated them, from what I heard they had bounties on them and captured members of the division got the same treatment as SS troops.

Most of the Szent László surrendered to the British though. The British Army treated them well, they even let them keep their weapons, vehicles and ammunition. Mainly because in 1945, military action against Tito or a possible confrontation between the Allies and the USSR didn't seem unlikely, hence many German and Hungarian units that surrendered to the Allies didn't have their weapons locked away too far…

>>313254

Come home Magyar man.

Daily life in Hell.

I like the first picture. It sums up the Eastern Front perfectly.

You guys are cool and one of the best allies Germany ever had. t.german When will Hungary establish a Army for European Volunteers to Help defend Europe from Mudshits?

>>313261

We need to get our actual army in shape first, as much as I hate to admit it, our military is in shambles nowadays. But have faith Kamerad, our time will come.

Cyclist infantry. It was a popular and cheap way of making an infantry unit more mobile. A lot of armies back then had cyclist infantry units.

Cue Queen - Bicycle Race.

Pz 4 in Hungarian service. And another Botond. Thank Tengri for based Rába, they make army trucks up to today.

First pic: Turán. The mainstay of the Royal Hungarian Army's armored units. Undergunned, a bit overengineered, but had good mobility and was quite reliable. They were horribly obsolete by 1944 though. We lost a lot of them in 1944 as we were trying to stop Operation Bagration.

Second pic: Everyone's favorite piece of German military technology in Hungarian use. Although Hitler had an extremely low opinion on Hungary, Model was sufficiently impressed with the performance of Hungarian tankers to divert 10 of his own Tigers to their use. The quality of the photo doesn't really capture the tanker's facial expression, but he is probably thinking about sweet. sweet revenge.

Cue Motörhead - Sweet Revenge.

Third: Toldi light tank. Reverse-engineered Swedish Landswerk 60. An excellent tank by late 1930's standards, but obsolete by 1941. Was a decent recon tank though.

Nimród AA tank, yet another byproduct of combined Swedish and Hungarian know-how.

Csaba armored cars. Early models were a bit hard to steer, but they were very good recon vehicles. The main gun could be dismounted if the crew needed to carry on afoot.

Also, it had two driver's seats facing towards both ends in case the crew needed to back up quickly, which tends to happen in recon missions.

>>313278

We have that as well. Szülőföld - Land of Birth.

A field chaplain and a Tiger tank. Two really scary things that put the fear of God into the hearts of men on one picture.

Old timey Hungarian priests were not people to be trifled with. I speak from experience.

Turán tank undergoing maintenance. Turáns were a bitch to maintain as they were products of an engineering culture with little experience with tanks. Like I said, Turáns were reliable, but if something broke you had to disassemble the whole damn engine to fix it.

Note the propaganda on the roof. Magyar jellem - Hungarian character. Becsületesség - honesty, having honour. Férfiasság - manliness.

Zrínyi assault gun. Although they were intended to support infantry assaults, they performed well in an anti-tank role as well. The Turán might have been a mediocre tank, but the fucking Zrínyi was something to be taken seriously.

Assault Artilleryman badge, Zrínyi crews wore this.

Zrínyi crews usually had high morale even by the end of the war and Assault Artillery commanders tended to be courageous and slightly eccentric people.

One of them, Captain József Barankay was a fanatic who sold his apartment before going off to the front who sold his apartment before going off to the front and who had a grave maintained for himself between the graves of the first two casualties of his unit. He ran out of fucks to give and he didn't receive new fucks from the homeland. He was a successful and highly aggressive commander though, his battalion was renamed in his honour after he was put to the grave he had dug for himself.

Ensign János Bozoki's battery of a few Zrinyis knocked out 18 T-34's in a few minutes. Later he personally led a rescue mission behind enemy lines to recover three of his damaged Zrínyis.

The most noteworthy Zrínyi commander was General Ernő Billnitzer, also known as Uncle Bill who was well in his fifties at the time. I'll cover him later, his awesomeness needs some research.

Note the happy Hussar.

Contrary to the popular belief, cavalry units were used extensively in WW2, all the way up to the end. The Waffen SS, for example, still had new cavalry units organized in 1944. Cavalry was usually used as recon and mounted infantry in WW2, but even actual cavalry charges with sabres drawn happened on numerous occasions.

Cavalry warfare has strong traditions in Hungarian military history and Hungarian Hussars had a strong esprit de corps even by WW2. For example, the boundary between enlisted men and officers was not as strict; if you had some kind of a problem and needed advice, you could freely approach your commanding officer and he advised you as best as he could because he cares about your sorry ass.

A Hussar officer was a father figure, a commander and a confessor rolled into one.

Toldi with Buzogányvető launchers, the Royal Hungarian Army experimented with this by the end of the war. It seemed like a good idea for the time; AT rockets mounted on a mobile platform.

>>313322

http://www.flamesofwar.com/hobby.aspx?art_id=2700

>inb4 Flames of War

The one who wrote this seems to have done his homework.

Knocked out KV-1. In 1941 the Germans (and of course we) feared the KV-1 as much as the Soviets and the Allies feared the Tiger later on. Those things were nasty.

>>313329

Thank you comrade. I'll resume posting tomorrow, it's midnight in Hungary and I go off to sleep.

Anyone reading this thread, feel free to ask questions and I'll answer as best as I can.

>>313381

Hungarian language does have a sizeable number of words of German origin, but the two languages are very different.

>>313498

This one is unfortunately quite true. Hungarians tend to respect and try to help those who try to learn Hungarian though.

I'm back.

>>314193

Obtaining licensing rights for the Me-210 was pretty easy.

>OH SCHEISSE ZIS FLUGZEUG SUCKS

>Jó napot, gibe blueprints pls to build planes

>JA JA JA JA JA TAKE THEM TAKE THEM AWAY FROM HERE AS FAR AS POSSIBLE TAKE ALL THE BLUEPRINTS

>Well… …that was easy?

The Me-210 wasn't that bad, it just needed some adjustments and finetuning.

Pig disgusting Ansaldo tankettes, a few were still in use by Operation Barbarossa. Ansaldo's were universally loathed by anyone forced to operate them.

The photo with the three Csaba drivers is one of my favorite ones in my collection. I can't explain why.

Danuvia SMG's. Note how happy that guy is. He is holding one of the best SMG's of WW2.

>>314207

>My feet hurt

>I'm tired

>This uniform is making my skin itch

>This sandwich tastes like crap

>Are we removing Vodka yet?

>János is standing next to me

>I don't like János

>Jenő is tinkering with the turret again

>I don't like Jenő either

>Although he's a damned fine mechanic

>The unit would fall apart without him

>Come to think of it, I do like Jenő

>Would that smug asshole János trade his shades for that two cartons of cigs I won last time?

>Fucking Ukraine

>Why are we even here?

>I wish I was at home playing cards with my neighbor or eating Szeged fish soup at that Csárda

>I could kill for some of that fish soup

>I just kill

>That is what the entire world does nowadays

MÁVAG Héja fighters. License built Reggiane Re2000's that were copies of the Seversky P-35.

Basically, Hungary flew Seversky P-35's in WW2. Horthy István, the son of Regent Horthy died in one of those deathtraps.

Oh great Magyarbro, is there any places you'd recommend picking up the language?

>>314241

Good question. Hungary would be the obvious choice, although I'm sure that Hungarian associations in the USA can also guide towards the right direction. The major cities usually have their Hungarian communities.

The liberation of Kolozsvár in 1940.

>>314275

I aim to please.

Regent Horthy (Hungary was still officially a kingdom, republic has not been proclaimed) inspecting troops.

And some pálinka. There are various kinds of pálinka, some can be quite strong.

>>314287

>I aim to please

>>314294

Old Hungary was very rank-conscious. Horthy was an admiral in the old Austro-Hungarian navy, nobody demoted him so he remained an admiral.

Besides, he beat the British during the Battle of the Otranto Strait. If he could beat the British at their own game and wanted to call himself an admiral, he had the right to do so.

A few Csaba's were used by the police.

Note the car. Sometimes they drafted your car along with you. You had a truck? They could draft your truck. Were you an aristocrat with a private airplane? Tough shit, all private aircraft and planes belonging to sports flying associations were confiscated in 1941.

All for the war effort.

"…cause every girl's crazy 'bout a Sharp Dressed Man."

My bed beckons. I'll resume tomorrow.

>>313244

>pic 2

Those guys need something to eat

>>313212

Any details of how the paras did in combat?

Didn't you have elite mountain troops too or am I thinking of Romania?

>>314743

Those guys in CoH2 are Russian. The in-game model even has the ROA emblem on the sleeve.

I'm back again.

>>314818

I do the same. Although I actually LIKE Croats. But when I play Darkest Hour: Kaiserreich and the fate of Croatia comes into question…

>A greater centralization is required

In Victoria 2, I make sure that Croatia does well under the rule of the Hungarian crown. If the Croats ask for equal citizenship, it is granted for them. They are our friends and Hungary cares for its friends. After all, we used to remove kebab with them.

Interestingly, with Turkish kebab we also have good relations nowadays. If all Muslims in Europe lived like the Turkish community of Hungary does, the continent would be a lot more peaceful. But that is another story, for another board.

>>314313

Both Romania and Hungary had elite mountaineer troops and specifically against each other. Hungary had considerable experience at mountain warfare; a lot of Hungarian troops were deployed to the Italian front.

Hungarian mountaineers performed well in WW2 during the defense of the Árpád-line, a fortification chain in the Carpathians. I will discuss the Árpád-line a bit later.

Paratroopers. First pic: Hungarian paratrooper badge.

Second pic: Captain (later Major) Bertalan Árpád, the creator of the Hungarian airborne infantry. He commanded Bosnian stormtroopers in WW1, so he was perfect for the job. The foundation of the first paratrooper unit in 1938 was hard at first; Bertalan needed young and intelligent officers and many units withheld those who volunteered since they didn't want to lose their best people.

There was always a coffin at the ready at the Szombathely airfield where they trained; accidents were not uncommon. This wasn't a Hungarian thing, parachute malfunctions were common. See: Blood on the Risers.

>The medics jumped and screamed with glee, they rolled their sleeves and smiled,

>For it had been a week or more since last a 'Chute had failed,

Originally British Irving, German Schröder and Heinecke and Italian Salvator-chutes were tested and the Schröder-chute was recommended for use as standard parachute.

Third pic: Hehs-parachute, or 39M Dual Practice Parachute. Locally designed and made parachute that ultimately became the standard parachute. A cheap, light, easy to use and very reliable parachute, it was. WW2 parachute types are rarely discussed, but in my opinion, the Hehs-chute is worthy of mention.

Aircraft employed by Hungarian paratroopers in WW2:

-Italian Caproni Ca101 transport/light bomber.

-Italian Savoia-Marchetti SM 75.

-Tante Ju, everyone's favorite reliable and durable as fuck flying workhorse. A number of them were license-built in Hungary.

>>314309

>Volunteer Hungarian Defense Force

>Foreigners welcome

>Foreigners separated by languages

>Volunteers bring their own weapons and equipment, military provides ammunition, training, and armored vehicles

>Irregular volunteer force used as second-line infiltration groups and guerrillas

>Formal Hungarian army creates breakthrough in enemy lines

>Motorized Volunteers show up in civilian cars, SUVs, trucks, vans, and motorcycles and rush through the breach

>Formally uncoordinated offenses spring through enemy lines, making the offenses hard to predict and even harder to counter by enemy combatants

>Formal Hungarian army regroups and reorganizes, making formal movements and signalling volunteers using radio communications, signal flares, and smoke grenades to regroup at designated locations ("Regroup at red smoke!")

>Volunteers are granted citizenship for surviving a campaign, with every campaign afterwards offering financial rewards, war trophies, and opportunities to participate in the formal standing army.

Maybe include the ability to change their identities, as well; following the French Foreign Legion.

Hell, the FFL is incredibly successful. Why not try it with Hungary?

Captain Bertalan sought to train his paratroopers based on the Bosnian stormtroopers he commanded; as well-trained light infantry. Under his guidance, paratroopers were thoroughly trained; training included driving almost all kinds of ground vehicles from cars to trucks. It should be noted that it is the '30s we are talking about, considerably less people knew how to drive than today, a paratrooper was taught how to drive and repair a vehicle and how to quickly damage it when it served its purpose. Some troopers were even sent to the MÁV, the state railway company to learn how to drive a steam locomotive, because operating behind enemy lines might require highjacking the occasional train. Second pic: a Hungarian 424 locomotive, because huge black trains are /k/-related. Besides trains are just as necessary in a war as guns, tanks, trucks, motorcycles and canned food.

The small unit was revealed to the public during an air show in June, 1939. I don't know if the audience saw how insane the paratroopers were. One of them attached a makeshift silk fin to his overalls to better control his descent. It turned out to be a bad idea: the fin sent his body into a very strong spin-like rotation, preventing the parachute to deploy properly. He got away with a concussion though. Others decided to play a nasty prank on the audience as a part of a bet they had with the fighter pilots stationed at the airfield: deploying Juliska (Julie), the unit's training dummy and tossing it out of the plane. The staged accident sent the crowd into a smaller panic, the unit became richer with a barrel of beer they won as the part of the bet and what I imagine to be the mother of all scoldings from the airfield's commanding officer next day.

Captain Bertalan suffered an injury around these times. He returned in 1940 and continued the training of the cadre which numbered around 30 people at the time. He even continued jumping exercises despite that he was medically forbidden from it. Being the resourceful man he was, he even arranged the borrowing of an old, dismantled railway bridge from the state railway company to practice demolition charge placement on. The bridge was successfully blown up.

The expansion of the paratrooper arm began then with 400 volunteers from various units. During the welcome speech, the paratroopers staged the same accident with the training dummy, after which Bertalan said:

>It isn't that bad, three out of four have successfully landed. Anyway, who wants to be a paratrooper? Those who don't want to, may freely leave without any guilt or consequences.

About 250 people returned to their original units.

The first combat mission of what was at the time a company-sized unit came in the winter of 1939/40. The Esterházy-mansion at Pápa caught fire and the firemen couldn't reach it in time because of the unusually huge amount of snow. The company reached the burning mansion faster and successfully extinguished the fire before the firemen arrived on the scene.

As a token of their gratitude, the Esterházy dynasty donated a huge amount of firewood for the unit.

The first actual combat mission was a huge cock-up though. I'll get there tomorrow. I'm really sleepy now; it's 0:06AM and my shitty bed awaits to be graced by my ugly body. Nightmares, here I come.

>>314861

Sorry about that… I'm glad there are no hard feelings.

>Rijeka

My family used to vacation there.

>>314844

Alas, the current leadership of the Hungarian Military suffers from a chronic lack of imagination.

>>315091

>>315091

In FoW circles, yes. They also refer to the Zrínyi as assault pancake.

>>314878

Indeed. Király Pál, the designer fled to Switzerland and the Dominican Republic where he continued his work. From what I know, that faggot Che Guevara had one of these guns.

>>315091

It is. A Nimród, to be precise. From a certain angle, it does look like a jacuzzi…

>>314879

We did, the aforementioned 44M Buzogányvető. A missile weighed 27 kilograms and could penetrate up to 20cm of armor from the range of 200 meters.

The other rocket on the second pic is a Lidérc or "Wraith". Air to air rocket prototype, intended to be used against tight bomber formations. The warhead was to be detonated by microphones, once they reach a certain sound frequency, the approximate sound frequency of… …well, lots of four engined bombers close to each other.

As far as I know, only a few ones were made, they were used against ground targets.

While on the topic of rockets, I think I mentioned the rocket Toldi before. Not much is known about it, the photo was taken by an American soldier in Bavaria in 1945. The photo somehow ended up on the internet a few years ago and this is how we even know for sure that it existed. I don't know whether it was used, it probably wasn't. I'm no expert, but the idea could have worked; there were plenty of worse ideas in WW2 than a light and mobile platform with high-yield shaped carge warhead missiles.

Also, Zrínyi tank destroyer with a 75mm AT gun with Nebelwerfer-launchers because fuck Bolsheviks.

>>314885

I don't know, personally I like the Sparviero.

The one at the middle is a Turán III, yet another prototype. Turáns were to be upgraded to this version.

Only two Nimróds exist. One of them is in Kubinka, the other one here in Hungary.

The only remaining Zrínyi is also in Kubinka. Putin, if you read this, would you kindly give it back along with the rest of our tanks there? I know you browse the 'chans and shitpost regularly, I know you are seeing this.

Note the paintjob on that Toldi. That is a Turul, a falcon with a sabre. What is the Bald Eagle for Americans, that is the Turul for us.

44M 60mm rocket launcher. Local design based on the Panzerschreck.

Turáns at the proving grounds before transfer to the military.

The damn flood detection shall not stop the offensive, the Hungarian Army shall break through.

Hotwheels, pls fix your site or we'll rape you.

The last of their kind.

Note the nun. There is a slight chance that she is still alive perhaps? Nuns live for very long.

>>314821

What Vicky 2 mod are you playing to get the best out of Hungary?

>>315242

http://oldforum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?533290-Hungary-Flavor-Mod

Personally I use this.

I wonder how Victoria 4 is going to be though. There'd better be a Kaiserreich mod as soon as possible. I want to remove Anarcho-Syndicalist scum with a fist of iron.

Also

>tfw when you recognize a place from an old historical photograph

>cozy little streets in the Buda Castle

>a lot of people died there during the final breakout attempt during the closing stages of the siege of Budapest

Somewhere in the Ukraine…

Avis 3, fighter prototype. Early thirties.

Note the racing stripes. The Versailles treaty restrictions about developing military aircraft were still in effect, so…

>No, it is not a fighter. It's a race plane. Honestly. Would I lie to you? We wouldn't even think about breaking the treaty. See those racing stripes? Race and aerobatics plane. For air shows. It is absolutely not a military aircraft.

In other news: I fucking love biplanes.

Italian CR-32 biplanes, we got these instead. They weren't bad, but it was getting obvious by the mid thirties that the biplane has very little future in military aviation.

Gendarmes (Csend - silence, őr - guard, "one who guards the peace").

Banditry was a considerable issue in 19th century rural Hungary. The gendarmes were the sherrifs who rode into town and restored the peace and the rule of law. Although the Gendarme Corps was a police force, they were under the command of the war department instead of the department of justice. And it showed.

The Gendarme Corps was an effective police force, especially by the standards of the time. I could compare them to the RCMP. Polite and professional as long as you were on the right side of the law, but…

…well, just stay on the right side of the law.

Old people usually have fond memories about them. But then again, they stayed on the right side of the law.

A Csendőr was constantly trained and taught. Sports, law, criminal studies, investigation techniques, foreign languages, etc… …they were by no means your average donut eater. Also, a csendőr was constantly relocated from one post from another so that he wouldn't get too friendly with the locals: that can lead to getting soft and overlooking things. Using a firearm in a situation when it wouldn't have been necessary was punished, but so was not using your gun when you should have.

Law enforcement history is so fascinating.

>>315253

I don't know, it works for me…

Hunor, armoured car concept. It was intended to replace the Csaba.

Captured vehicles in Hungarian livery.

I like this photo. I wonder what song this guy is singing…

>>315340

I've been lied to…

Anyway, destroyed Zrínyi, summer 1945. The wreck was probably dismantled, the background is now a city sprawl and the kids are now pensioners.

Pretty cool thread

LEATHER

JERKIN

STYLE

>>315366

>>315369

What the fuck, this is Communism-tier. But then again, it's not like the Csendőrség didn't have stains on its honour…

>>315364

Our stock was mostly destroyed. Only wreckages remain and people didn't see them as technological relics that need to be preserved, they were scrap metal. A number of Botond trucks were used until the late 1940's and as the Hungarian military was being revived (Communist sphere of influence, Stalin's paranoia, inevitable clash with the West, etc.) they were considering restarting the production of the Csaba, but they opted for using used slavshit instead. The Soviets didn't want native arms design in their satellite states, just ask the Czech. They had rather good armour designs in the mid-late forties and the Soviets ordered them to stop development. The Soviets wanted their satellite states to be dependent on them, especially military technology-wise. Hungarian commies were so compliant, they even had the new uniforms emulate Soviet uniforms instead of traditional military fashion.

And what >>315865 said. Commies are cunts. Loyalty is the only thing that matters for them, skills and knowledge are not. A lot of skilled scientists left Hungary in the mid-forties because of them.

It should be also noted though that Commies did get shit done. Reconstruction of the country was fast and efficient under their rule, unjust this rule may have been.

Straussler tank concepts, mid thirties. Courtesy of the same Straussler Miklós or Nicholas Straussler who designed the prototype of the Csaba and who made the Straussler Bomb Trolley and the Tetrarch tank for the British.

Straussler eventually designed the V3 and V4 tanks. The V4 was a promising design, but the Landswerk 60 license that became the 38M Toldi I had more potential in it.

Thanks for the dump, homie.

>>315877

>They weren't fully in charge until the 50s

Rákosi fully established himself as supreme archvillain of doom by Summer 1948.

>Besides, commie architecture is shit

No arguments here. Although Old Dunaújváros (known as Sztálinváros in the fifties) looks comfy…

>you will never do "volunteer"-work to build the new socialist model city

>>315883

I'm still not done.

Romfell armored car, WW1.

Lipták tank, the first known Hungarian tank design, WW1. Remained on the drawing board.

Tank designs of Fejes Jenő, a talented car engineer, around 1930. Due to how badly the Versailles treaty fucked the country up, the war department could not afford their construction.

Lehel APC, based on the Nimród chassis. The project was abandoned since the chassis' (What is the plural of chassis? Chassises?) were needed for the actual Nimróds.

Lehels were to be used as battlefield ambulances to evacuate wounded tankers and to transport sappers.

Toldi SPG, Hungary's Marder.

Look at this beautiful fucker. Look at it. Look. It wouldn't be nice if I didn't mention the best tank project we had.

The 44M Tas (pronounced "tosh", a 9th century Magyar warlord), Hungary's Panther. The influence of the Panther is very obvious, although the interior was wholly local engineering. A prototype was in advanced stages, but the project went slowly due to resource shortages. The prototype was destroyed in an Allied air raid in 1944 and the project was halted.

Almost the entire documentation of the Tas was lost in the turbulent final days of the war. The prototype was likely scrapped. For a long time, even the very existence of the tank was but a rumor.

I spoke to the grandson of one of the engineers, he told me that his grandfather never even talked about tanks, he only hinted once that he has knowledge about tanks.

If I recall it was something like this. He was a kid and he was playing with toy tanks and his mother said something about tanks being slow. When grandpa said…

>You have no idea how fast a tank can be.

The schematics of the Tas, as it turned out, ended up in Czechoslovakia and were scrapped some time in the late 1970's along with a lot of old papers. Someone managed to keep some old photos from the salvaged material, the photos of a 1:10 scale factory model, these photos returned to Hungary and this is how we know how the 44M Tas actually looked like.

Tank experts usually agree that the 44M Tas would have been on par with the Panther in terms of combat performance.

>>315901

I wonder if they would've modified the gun mantlet like they did in the Panther because the rounded surface created a shot trap.

>>315921

Likely. Hungarian engineers at the time had less experience with tanks than Germans, but this doesn't mean they weren't learning.

From what I heard, the engineering staff was experimenting with the possibility of an SPG version. The existence of this project is debated, but it would seem very logical.

I like to call it the Überzrínyi.

Another possible Überzrínyi reconstruction shows a slightly different hull.

My idea of heaven is an alternate dimension where this existed in large numbers.

>1940's

>Austria-Hungary is still around in some form under the leadership of Habsburg Otto

>The economic boom of pre-1914 times continued, the Monarchy evolved into a formidable industrial, economic, scientific and military power.

>KuK Panzertruppen with mechanized Jagdkommando units, Czech Skoda tanks and the things I post.

>[Radetzky March intensifies]

>>315929

You don't think big enough.

>Mátyás lives long enough to become the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire

>through diplomatic shenanigans assembles a big enough crusade and starts to push the Ottoman Empire out of Europe

>has a son who is also at least a decent king

>he recaptures Constantinople, Byzantium will be still around for at least a few centuries (at least in name)

>so the Balkans isn't that much of a shithole right next to us

>we don't end up as the frontier between the Habsburgs and the Turks

>our country won't be depopulated, only to be repopulated by Slavs, Germans, and Vlachs

>instead we get to take part in the age of exploration, even have some small holdings around the world

>industrial revolution doesn't start 150 years later here than in the German lands

>we get to be an actual empire, on pair with Prussia

>and Vienna is one of our small border towns, nobody really cares about it

Think about the discussions we'd be having here.

>>315932

Reminds me this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=206cGnHU0Ac

>Mohácsnál győzni fogunk,

>Dózsa lesz György királyunk,

>Nagyhatalom századokon át.

>Rákóczi világot hódít,

>Kossuth-tal valóra válik

>A Duna-menti Köztársaság.

>>315964

Szívesen. I'll keep dumping tomorrow, I still have some material and I haven't even got to the aviation section of my autism folder. Anyway now I understand why I haven't seen mounties when I was in Canada in 1996 when I was 11, Toronto and Hamilton is outside their region of operations…

At any rate, should any questions arise, feel free to ask.

>>315932

>>315929

brb playing EUIV as Hungary

>>316013

>Those pics

Captured T-34.

Life at the Ludovika Military Academy.

>you will never be a cadet at the Ludovika in the early 20th century

Is there an image limit? I might exceed it.

>>316091

http://www.fortepan.hu/?tags=honv%C3%A9d&x=9&y=5&view=query&lang=hu&q=

Try Fortepan.

Most of these pics are colorized digitally, some are original color photos, the Zrínyi here is the latter.

The most autistic picture of my War Autism Folder. Bask in its glory. Let its raw, divine beauty shine on your souls.

>>322150

Gas the Turks; reclaim Constantinople now.

Would the Hungarians, Austrians, Czechs, Serbians, Croatians, Slovaks, and Romanians be willing to come together to form a separate military and economic alliance from the EU?

I have this feeling and somewhat of a fantasy that if the countries of Middle Europe came together in confederacy, there would be much better economic sustainability and increased political presence on the world stage. If Merkel decided she wants more Muslims in Europe, the Middle European Confederacy would tell her that they'd have to go around them, and that they can't send maritime vessels through Middle European waters.

I don't think that Germany or any socialist Western nation has the stones or manpower to combat such a powerful ethnocentric conglomerate of nations.

Do you think Russia would lend them military support?

>>322222 (checked)

Croatian quints of wisdom.

Memes aside, I mentioned a confederacy for that reason; to retain ethnic and cultural identities and empowering individual nations to do as they please without having to get approval from every other nation's councils to do what needs to be done.

Ex: Serbians get fed up with Albanias shit, Romanians don't necessarily like it and may object to it, but are helpless stop them, as the rest of the confederacy has no leverage over the Serbs in any way other than withdrawing military aid.

>>313237

I have heard that the Arrow Cross Party was aggresively expansionist which made the National Socialists of Germany dislike them but I have also heard how thousands of untrained students who were members of the Arrow Cross Party defended Budapest bravely. I do not call the Arrow Cross Party National Socialist because the Arrow Cross Party explicitly wished to dominate other European ethnicities which is different from the self determinationist policy of the National Socialists of Germany. You have to understand that the Germans only put the Arrow Cross Party in power in Hungary because Miklos Horthy wished to surrender to the Soviets. If the Germans had wanted to put the Arrow Cross Party in power earlier they would l have.

>>322228

OP here.

There was a volunteer regiment composed of college students (note: college students in WW2 Hungary were not required to serve in the military, since they needed an intellectual class to help rebuild the country after the war), but they were not Arrow Cross. The actual Arrow Cross was looting and murdering Jews in the inner city during the siege. The Arrow Cross did have frontline units, but they didn't perform too well, they weren't exactly the most courageous bunch.

As for expansionism, Szálasi didn't want to dominate anybody, he believed that the nations of the world should live in harmony and peace as equals (except the Jews, but that is another story) and although he sought to restore Greater Hungary, the various nations would have been equal in his Hungarist utopia.

Szálasi was an interesting guy. He served with the Tirolean Kaiserjagers and led stormtroopers at Verdun. He was actually a very competent and decorated military officer. The strange thing is, he never wore his uniform or his medals after the war and he never boasted about his accomplishments.

Also, he completely lost his mind by 1944.

>>322213

The good thing is, Muslims don't come here. Apart from the occasional doctor, middle class expat and such. They are few in number and don't cause problems. Our Turks are for the most part entrepreneurs and restaurant keepers. Decent people. If all Muslims in Europe were like them, multiculturalism would actually work. As for the separate block, we already have that: the Visegrád 4.

It goes way back, the first Visegrád alliance was formed in the 14th century.

As for Russia? Nobody knows what Russia would want. Russia is unpredictable, like any good chess player. And the Russians are good at chess.

The PKZ (Petróczy-Kármán-Zurovecz) 2. History's very first military helicopter, 1916. Was meant to replace observation balloons.

Kármán's name might be familiar, he's the very same Theodore von Karman.

>>322304

Remove Austria?

>>322310

I didn't know that. I remember seeing it in a comic strip compilation book once.

>>322853

> What kind of madmen wouls worry about killing Jews while their homeland was under attack

Madmen with Arrow Cross armbands.

Szálasi was having a conference about Hungarian-Japanese relations when the first Soviet tanks entered Budapest's outskirts, he was worried about his seven volume book series on the glory of Hungarism as he fled the city and he was grinning like an idiot before his execution. As for the average party member? Most of them were angry and uneducated plebs who flocked to the banner in 1944. Most of the atrocities were commited by them, at time some of the saner senior members of the Arrow Cross even tried to stop them.

I spoke to some old people and read some memoirs from the time. None of them have anything good to say about the Arrow Cross.

The siege of Budapest was fucking brutal. Not as nasty as the siege of Leningrad where people literally ate each other, but it was easily one of the toughest city sieges in WW2; you can still see bullet holes on some of the old buildings and every time there is a construction dig, they find artillery shells or bombs.

>>322302

I'll leave that to smarter, more educated people. Although the idea of an alternate history book with detailed descriptions of things that never happened but should have is tempting, but it would require time, research and autism.

>>322293

Not much, I'm afraid as there weren't many KuK wunderwaffen. Books on Austrian/Hungarian/Czech/etc. science and industrial history do contain a lot of interesting bits though.

>>323207

That sonic weapon was a meme, but this one was real:

RMI-1 Varga X/H, gas turbine heavy fighter/light bomber project. We almost beat the Germans at deploying the first operational turboprop-powered plane.

Jendrassik Cs-1, the absolute first (mostly) functional turboprop engine in aviation history.

Cs sands for csónakmotor or boat engine, which was the code name for the project. Dr. Jendrassik didn't want zee Germans to become too interested in his baby.

Varga RMI-10 and Rubik R-21 assault gliders. I don't know about the former, but the latter's construction was well underway. Parts of its wreckages were built into sports gliders after WW2.

Weiss-Manfred WM-23 fighter, basically a re-engineered and upgraded He-112. The prototype crashed, so the powers that be opted for using Re2000's instead, since the RHAF needed a decent fighter as fast as possible.

A pity. By 1941 standards, the WM-23 Ezüst Nyíl (Silver Arrow) was a good fighter.

>>323213

We were pretty good at making gliders. The father of the inventor of the Rubik cube, Rubik Ernő sr was an aviation engineer.

I personally flew with the R-26S dozens of times when I was unsuccessfully trying to learn to fly at a glider association. Handles well and quite sturdy. An excellent training glider. Many still fly, despite the design being more than 50 years old.

If only the Romanians and Italians weren't so shit at Stalingrad

>>323404

>>323612

>Stalingrad

>The 2nd Army at the River Don

The feels. The fucking feels.

To be fair, the Romanians and the Italians could be decent soldiers if they were led well.

>>324376

I actually AM considering, but first I'd need a decent job. I'm in the middle of a job search. Once that is done, I could put some money aside for an UL license or something. Fortunately, I already have my "own" apartment and living costs in Budapest are fairly low if you don't have debts or if you don't have to pay rent. Having my very own aircraft of some sort is a life goal.

Flitzer Z-21's are fairly simple to build and easy to maintain, from what I heard and researched. Although they do take a year or two of tinkering.

"Gerle" (Dove) training/utility/sports aircraft, 1930's. A fair number of Hungarian pilots learned to fly on it. It's designer, Antal Bánhidi designed it all by himself in 6 months and the prototype was ready after about another four months.

The Gerle was an extremely benelovent plane, it did aerobatics almost immediately after its first takeoff. A replica was built and flown recently, and from what I read the test pilot said it had to be held back from doing aerobatics, like the plane was a sentient creature that wanted to have fun.

All of the original Gerles were destroyed during the war. One was rebuilt, but went "missing" some time in 1950. Another was sold in South America, it might still be there in some very remote airfield. Who knows?

More rare photos. The Turán III prototype on what appear to be field trials and the Panther being presented to Hungarian tankers. Hungary did receive a few Panthers in 1944; these Panthers were intended for Romania, but Romania was in the process of going over to the other side, so the shipment was diverted to us instead.

On a side note, Romania did receive a small batch of Panthers eventually. From the Soviets. These Panthers were assigned to the Tudor Vladimirescu Division, a division of Romanian "volunteers" the Soviets organized from Romanian POW's. Being a "politically reliable" unit (the officers were thoroughly "sovieticized"), the Tudor Vladimirescu division was used to keep the rest of the Romanian army in check during the purges occuring during the second half of the 1940's as Romania was transformed into a Soviet client state from a monarchy.

The Turán was originally based on a Czech tank design, the T-21 and after the war the Turán "returned to it's ancestrial home" in a way, the last Turán versions were Czechoslovakian SPG's built on abandoned Turán chassis'. I don't know much about the background of the third picture. It could either be one of these Czechoslovakian Turáns or a MÁVAG SPG project from the war (MÁVAG was one of the industrial complexes that manufactured Turáns).

More Botond trucks. These photos were taken postwar; the uniforms and the gear are still WW2, but the powers that be already began to convert the remnants of the Royal Hungarian Army into what will become the Hungarian People's Army. In a few years, these troops will be assigned Soviet gear and new uniforms that emulate Soviet military fashion. This idea came from the overzealous Hungarian gommies, Soviet advisors were actually quite surprised as they had no problem with traditional Hungarian uniforms.

The Botonds were dismantled when Soviet gear was introduced. Only one Rába Botond remains. A sole survivor. The last of its kind.

>>325792

Yeah, they also like to scream "No pasaran!" here too. Although we just have to shout "No parmesan" to mock them.

An other neat thing is that fa means tree or wood in Hungarian, so antifa sounds like a group in favour of deforestation. Pic related is the antifasiszta hód, or antifascist beaver.

>>325792

Also, loyalty to the Party and the Cause before everything.

When in 1946 the MASZOVLET (a joint Soviet-Hungarian airline) was formed, Szentgyörgyi Dezső, the highest scoring Hungarian ace pilot decided to apply for a job.

>HR guy (devout commie): Do you have experience at flying?

>Szentgyörgyi: Yes, I flew combat missions on the Eastern Front.

>HR guy: You… …you filthy capitalist FASCIST NAZI FASCIST ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE SWINE PIG AGENT PROVOCATEUR

>Szentgyörgyi: …

>HR guy: YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO COME HERE GET OUT OF HERE YOU DISGUSTING FASCIST REEE REEEEEEEEE

>Comrade Bochkarev, the director of the joint airline: What's all this argument here, what seems to be the problem?

>HR guy: THIS NAZI FASCIST HITLERIST BANDIT FILTH FLEW AGAINST THE SOVIET UNION AND NOW HAS THE GALL TO COME HERE AND HE…

>Comrade Bochkarev: I see. How many kills did you have?

>Szentgyörgyi: 35.

>Comrade Bochkarev: Hmmmm. If you could shoot down that many of Stalin's Red Falcons, you are probably a good pilot. You're hired.

And so, Szentgyörgyi Dezső became an airline pilot. He even became the chief pilot and flew important party members.

At one time in 1949, he came face to face with Alexander Pokryshkin, the legendary Soviet ace and it turned out that it wasn't their first meeting.

>Szentgyörgyi: We already met.

>Pokryshkin: No, we haven't. Because if we met before, you would be dead. Or I would be…

>Szentgyörgyi: But no, we already met. I shot your plane down.

>Pokryshkin: Where? When?

Szentgyörgyi describes the place and the time

>Pokryshkin: Yes, you are right. But I was being rested at the time and my plane was airborne, someone shot it down.

>>325792

Often times they contain very little trace of the actual population. For example here the antifa groups are ALL run either by Russians or Jews or are branches of a German antifa group. Same goes to most Communist and "human rights" organisations, although those are almost always Russian only. I remember once seeing signs of one of these "human rights" protests and none of them were even in Latvian, they were all in Russian with English translation alongside it so leftist media from other countries know what to bitch about.

>>325845

>pic

Communism isn't so much a religion by itself but rather a sect of the much larger religion of Statism.

Like most other religions the various sects of Statism are at war with each other over slightly differing views.

Also I find it funny how European religions like paganism were left out of that poster. Remember goy, Europe has no culture and religion of its own so you need immigrants to give you theirs.

>>325850

I get what you are trying to say with this but that shit is fucking cringe-worthy as hell. Just because Molyneux was successful with that kind of garbage doesn't mean that you should be doing it too.

>>313210

Love your posts dude

>>327501

OP here. The dump is not over, I just have some shit to deal with. Stay tuned.

OP here, I'm back. With some uniforms.

Generals. Despite regulations, no two general's uniform was the same. Each was a custom piece made individually by a tailor. They were usually quite expensive too; even for a general who probably had a high standard of living.

Note the helmet. It was an attempt in the 1920's to introduce a quasi-historic helmet like the German Pickelhaube. The design is meant to imitate early medieval Hungarian headwear. The 'Lohengrin' helmet as they called it was universally disliked by members of the general staff because of how fucking ridiculous it looked. These abominations were phased out by the early-mid '30's and were replaced by a simple Bocskai-cap that was usually decorated with an eagle's feather. The feather also disappeared by the forties.