/k/ - Weapons

>SKS

Overpriced these days for what it is, if they were still cheap I'd say go for it but surplus has dried up mostly

>AK

Probably the best option, get a DDI instead of one of those cheap century shits. They are cheap for a reason, buy once cry once.

>CAI Uzi

A closed bolt repro of an open bolt gun, that doesn't even sound reliable regardless of >century

>>316262

Fuck off DDI shill. Century AKs are fine. You don't need to spend 800 bucks on an AK.

>Century AKs are fine.

>actually buying a century

>>316266

DDI has a green mountain barrel as well as better surface treatment. It is worth it if you want an AK.

All your options suck, though, OP. Get an AR, you shit.

>>316262

Well, I owned a century arms AK a long time ago and I admit it had reliability issues (jamming) but I'm thinking that was just a fluke.

Here's how I see it.

>AK Pros.

>Interchangeable magazines with no modifications.

>Need to get one before a gun ban.

>Generally just has a "bad ass" look.

>AK Cons

>Less accurate than an SKS.

>Can most likely only afford a Century Arms WASR.

>SKS pros

>Probably 100 dollars cheaper than the AK.

>Better accuracy.

>Better reliability then the AK in my personal experience.

>SKS cons.

>Have to spend extra money on magazines/modify the rifle to have interchangeable magazines.

>Probably wouldn't be effected by a gun ban, so the purchase might be pointless.

>If it is effected by a gun ban, might have to change it back to it's standard configuration (10 round mags) to keep it legal.

>Uzi pros

>Small and compact.

>Nice "bad ass" look.

>Probably good to buy before a gun ban.

>Uzi cons

>Not sure about reliability, since I've never owned one.

>Generally less range then the other two options.

>>316275

Thanks. My mother has a Yugo SKS that she's offering to sell me for 200 dollars but I'm not sure if I want to buy it due to the lack of a chrome lined barrel. Although, that's still a damn good deal.

If I buy one from a store I'm leaning towards a Chinese SKS just because I have owned one in the past and it proved to be a very reliable and accurate rifle. Although, that's assuming I don't just get an AK.

>>316284

I dont know much about guns, but I'd say that you should buy the Yugo SKS and find some way to chrome the barrel.

>>316284

just buy it, lack of chrome lining is a non issue with noncorrosive commercial ammo that is basically all thats left, unless you come across some yugo surplus

>>316285

not possible

>>316288

Not even a way to buy one?

>>316288

>not possible

That's disappointing.

>just buy it, lack of chrome lining is a non issue with noncorrosive commercial ammo that is basically all thats left, unless you come across some yugo surplus

Is there a way to check the barrel to make sure it's of decent quality just by stripping it down and eyeballing it? Anything in particular I should know about?

I'm assuming the barrel would be fine with corrosive ammo as long as I clean it right after shooting it, correct?

>>316294

I dont think so, because it corrodes and damages the barrel.

AK and a set of postal tubes, paper, ink and postage to write you senators and congressman to sponser a bill to repeal the NFA.

Then you have a chance of getting it a full auto-receiver at some point.

>>316296

Are you sure? Because I've heard you can just clean it afterwards, although I'm not 100% certain on that.

>>316300

Honestly, I don't think those faggots are ever going to repeal the existing anti-fun laws. Although the AK is appealing to me because I'm worried about future anti-fun laws.

>>316301

It won't if you don't threaten the jobs of your elected officials!

Also you can get it moded if SHTF and all US law, NFA included, stops applying.

>>316302

>It won't if you don't threaten the jobs of your elected officials!

Fair enough but the fact of the matter is the elected officials only listen to donors. They could honestly give two shits about what we think. They only start to care once millions of people get angry.

>Also you can get it moded if SHTF and all US law, NFA included, stops applying.

True, I know how to convert an AK, it's quite easy if you just file down that second trigger seer.

>>316301

No I dont think so unless you do it incredibly quickly, you cant wash what is degraded

>>316310

it doesn't immediately degrade the barrel, its corrosive salts from primers that are the issue and they require moisture from the air and time to corrode steel

as long as you clean the barrel within ~16hours of shooting there will be no significant damage compared to non corrosive ammo

>>316310

You're not dumping some highly corrosive acid into the barrel. You can shoot it and then hose it down to remove any residue and then clean the barrel as you would normally.

Also, I'd like some sauce on that claim some strelok made about the SKS being more accurate than an AK. Everything about the construction of the SKS seems to go against that claim.

>>316309

>>316311

Thanks for the useful information. I might end up buying it assuming my mother wants to sell it. She seems to be having second thoughts now that I'm serious about actually buying it.

If not, I might just get a Norinco or some sort of AK variant.

>>316314

>>316311

Oh. Alright, thanks for the info too, guys.

>>316314

>I'd like some sauce on that claim some strelok made about the SKS being more accurate than an AK. Everything about the construction of the SKS seems to go against that claim.

different anon, but from my experience of owning multiple examples of both rifles they tend to be about the same but occasionally there is an exceptionally accurate SKS in my experience whereas most AKs tend to be 2-3MOA rifles

short stroke gas systems like the SKS tend to be more accurate, and tilting bolt blocks provide very consistent lockup

>>316387

>don't buy the the ak its the best one

>don't buy the the ak

>its the best one

Is there something I'm missing here? Are you saying the AK is the best choice or not to buy it?

Your statement is confusing tbh.

>>316309

That's some useful info.

Thanks /k/omrade.

>>316387

You have some severe case of shit taste. I have no idea who is that Mexican and I really don't think you will find out going to that shithole of a board.

>>316326

There have been plenty of well documented cases of AKs doing close to one MOA. The main problem with AKs is the ungodly amount of badly put together ones there are circulating in the US. Regarding accuracy:

>Barrel quality and crown>Overall built>>>>>>>Action

Both guns have a default configuration where the barrel harmonics are severely interrupted and they both have relatively thin barrels.

Also, if tilting bolt was inherently good (or better than rotating bolt), more guns would come with it. Not a single modern gun has a tilting bolt, not even the CZ 805 that -sort of- came out of a tilting bolt rifle. Just my observation.

ak and sks are good choices, the uzi is a overweight jewish version of the vz 28 czech sub gun, and i hear century fucked those up too

>>316266

WASR 10 669$ are fine from century, the RAS is not at 699$ with cast parts while DDI is 729$ for non cast parts, it does not make sense to buy century with DDI offering a superior ak at 30 to 60$ more this is why you will see a lot of DDI shills.

>>319159

>source?

Physics? Do you know what are the barrel harmonics? Do you understand that a thinner barrel will vibrate more than a thinner one?

You're arguing with the very principles of accuracy. All I can tell you is go read a little.

>>319168

>more than thicker one

fixed.

>>316275

>dense text

>jpg

pick one

>>319168

>Do you understand that a thinner barrel will vibrate more than a thinner one?

wat

also vibration is generally not present until the bullet has already exited the barrel except with very long barrel lengths and neither the AK or SKS barrels are that thin

im calling bullshit on barrel thickness being one of the main issues with SKS or AK accuracy without a source

>>316266

Yeah, canted sights, canted gas blocks, canted barrels, bag magazine wells, bad rivets, and caved in sections of the receiver.

Here's a tip. Don't be an elitist for a product that's absolutely SHIT.

>>319201

Just a bit of common sense. Even rifles for extreme long range shooting where consecutive shots and heat build up aren't as critical have thick barrels (even bull barrels). If vibration wasn't an issue, why would you bed the fucking action and the barrel when free-floating isn't viable? Hell, why on earth would people free-float a barrel if having a handguard latched to the barrel or an overly thigh action wasn't altering the accuracy?

Here is one of the many studies in the subject, it's a good balance between being clear while not over simplifying the technical aspects too much

http://thearmsguide.com/7061/long-range-shooting-barrel-vibration-accuracy/

There are far more detailed studies analyzing the vibration with proper sensors and the frequencies and whatnot.

A thin barrel leads to worse accuracy.

Things that affect the harmonics of the barrel affect the accuracy in a negative way.

Barrel profile is important for thickness, but it also has an impact on accuracy. To a degree, a bit of extra weight on the front end of the barrel can also reduce the vibration.

Definitely get the AK. It's a beautiful weapon and the handy-grabby part looks a lot like the shoulder-placey part on an RPG-7.

>>327665

You can get a 27" 7.62 Vepr, plenty accurate.

>>327665

>the AK is not an extreme long range weapon by any means

It was an example, are you stupid or something? If long range competition rifles have thick barrels, even if consecutive shots aren't much of a worry (so heat is not a critical factor), why would they carry the extra weight of a thicker barrel?

>a M16 has both a longer and thinner barrel and is not noted for inaccuracy

But that's wrong. The barrel profile on the government M16A2 barrel profile is a constant .625 inches while a Russian AK74 (any of the variants as far as I recall) has a 4 different barrel profiles as it goes getting thinner closer to the tip, only the first 5 or 6 inches are thicker than the M16A2 barrel.

Also worth saying, Navy issued M16A4 are expected to have between 3-4 MOAs in accuracy, sometimes going up to 5. That's the upper limit to be accepted too. I invite you to look up the military reports on the matter, there is plenty of evidence there.

>>327665

>the rear hand guard does not go against your shoulder

You have some severe reading comprehension problems, m8. That's exactly what >>327659 is saying.

(The AK)

>It's a beautiful weapon

>and the handy-grabby part

(Of the AK)

>looks a lot like the shoulder-placey part on an RPG-7

His talking about the handguard of the AK looking like the heat-shield (that's the proper name) of the RPG-7.

Not even trying someone could be more wrong than you, I'm at a loss.