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e800cf No.322967

Looking to buy a new gun? get advice here.

Looking to buy a .45 pistol that isn't a 1911. Requirements are that it hold at least 10 rounds. I've been looking at either a glock 21 (13 rnds), XD (13 rnds) or M&P (10 rnds but looks like the grip is thinner than the other two). And no I have ruled out the FNX because of squishyness.

03aa5b No.323663

File: 1456663530283.jpg (193.27 KB, 800x531, 800:531, cz97b.jpg)

>>322967

CZ97. Anything but squishy.


0fe895 No.323666

>>322967

Did you just give yourself permission to ask for advice in your own OP?


91bb84 No.323837

Looking for a 9mm SD pistol, am currently nofuns. I've got a budget of ~500 dollars.


0fe895 No.323840


974392 No.323860

Suggestions for a decent but reasonably priced shotgun for skeet/trap shootin'?


8ec7e8 No.324058

i don't have any guns. i've only shot a glock 19 and a sig p226. loved the 226, glock was meh. i want to buy a 9mm as my first gun. what else should i try out?

mostly for range fun, but i'd like to be able to carry it too. thinking about a p229. should i maybe look at something a bit cheaper as my first?


df8091 No.324130

Looking for a CC pistol. Prefer 9mm, subcompact, and more than ten rounds per mag.

The M&P Shield looks appealing but I want to know what other options fit the bill.


e800cf No.324230

>>324130

>Looking for a CC pistol. Prefer 9mm, subcompact, and more than ten rounds per mag.

beretta px4 sc holds 13 rounds


065535 No.324241

>>324058

Go rent a P-01.

>should i maybe look at something a bit cheaper as my first?

Fucking never. Buy once, cry once.

>>324130

Just get a P30SK.


69cf7a No.324274

>>324130

Steyr S9A1

>>323837

Steyr C9A1.

>>324058

Steyr M9A1


f76df7 No.324324

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>>324274

>Steyr C9A1

Grip seems on the fat side to carry around all day. Can you confirm or deny, Steyr Argentina Representative?


69cf7a No.324331

>>324324

The grip is actually just as fat as glock 19, but more round on the back and the front (owned both, sold the glock to buy the M9A1 I currently own). The slide area is a bit thicker, about as thick as a .45/10mm glock, probably because Steyr uses the same slide for both the .40Short and Weak and the 9mm version of their pistols.

I really can't comment on CC as that shit is illegal here and never really carried mine. I'm just shilling, but maybe it's worth trying, the gun is great. Maybe finding a specialized CC holster will be a bit more complicated.


e33b19 No.324337

>>324331

What about the L9A1 model? Would you recommend it to someone who is looking for a full size handgun?


69cf7a No.324360

>>324337

Never seen one in person, the only Steyr importer here brought the M and the C versions only. But for what I've seen, it's the exact same pistol made longer. The Steyrs have a modular mechanism system (like the new SIGs), so they should all be pretty much identical.

The trigger is on par with some higher end target shooting commercial pistols (see: Not custom made stuff or "I make 50 of this a year" brands). The break is very clear and smooth, it has way less overtravel than a glock (like half the over travel if not less) and the reset is there, but kind of hard to get used to it, very subtle. Never measured the trigger pull, but shit feels light.

Haven't tried any of the modern Walther guns (I'm not sure if those are being imported here), but in my opinion, it's the best striker fired-pistol trigger there is (OOTB and even better than some custom trigger job glocks that I've tried).

Of course this isn't a target shooting pistol, but the great trigger, along with the extremely low bore axis and the good weight balance (it's a bit more front-heavy than a glock) should be enough to make it a viable platform to actually push yourself to get some good results and maybe join some amateur competitions. It's a big heavier than some of the other polymer guns.

Just go and try it, try to get your hands in one, even if you can't actually shoot it. It should be enough to judge if it's worth the purchase.


e33b19 No.324374

>>324360

Thanks for the info. I heard it had good ergonomics and I like the look of the weird triangular sights.


69cf7a No.324384

>>324374

They are very functional, but not everyone gets used to them. There are replacements in 'merica, but I'd have to import them as the accessory market for anything not glock here is a fucking joke. Ended up keeping them and loving them.


419d80 No.324405

CC is tough for anything double stacked. I don't know what the thinnest slide double 9 is but it won't be that thin, there's a reason single stacks are so popular.

As for Pocket carry, only a couple of pistols are realistic in 9mm. Beretta nano, Kahr Cm9.

Springfield, glock, all the decent brand plastics are the only ones you want for iwb CC, fuck what the fudds say no one wants to conceal a metal gun, that's bullshit.


69cf7a No.324413

>>324405

>Beretta nano

Finger fucked one of those the other day. Shit is just qt.

If any double stack is too much to carry, your choices are rather limited. Maybe the guy with the skorpion on his backpack wasn't as crazy as I thought.


5391e1 No.324434

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Does anyone have any experience with DPMS and their A2/A3 classic? It looks to me like the only company that makes an AR with a long gas system these days.

Yes I know freedom group owns DPMS


c6188d No.324439

>>322967

I'm looking to ge ta 45ACP revolver. The guns I'm considering are:

1917 S&W (The far more expensive option, but muh history muhfucka)

S&W 625 (The regular one, not the performance center one with the candy cane grip or the JM special with the dude's initials on it)

Ruger Redhawk .45ACP/.45LC (two calibers)

Obviously the correct answer is all three of them but I've only got the cash for one this year if I budgeted right after i buy a .455 Webley and equipment to reload 45 ACP brass to a safe pressure for the old girl

Anybody have any input/experience with any of these?


df1a72 No.324453

I'll be turning 21 fairly soon, and I've been looking around for a good pistol to cc after I get a license. I've got HD covered with a shotgun, so I only need to focus on SD. Right now my eye is on a Glock 19 because of the high mag capacity, light weight, and easy concealability. I know that they tend to be super overrated, but this one seems like exactly what I'm looking for. Memeing aside, is there any reason why I shouldn't get it? If so, what would you suggest I get instead? I've heard good things about the CZ-75.


ccf98c No.324463

>>324453

CZ75 for carry, no way, unless you are a fucking giant and live in a place that is cold enough for thicker clothing a lot of the year.

If you want CZ carry see if you can find a rami, though a compact could work I guess


821534 No.324506

File: 1456784477633.jpg (309.6 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, CZ97.jpg)

>>323663

Muh nigga


b7e888 No.324529

File: 1456787314998.jpg (749.26 KB, 960x562, 480:281, scar.jpg)

I am looking to buy my first assault/battle/tactical rifle. Something decent for all ranges and scenarios. Really want pic related but can be convinced otherwise by a compelling argument. My budget is 2500-3000 Ameros.


69cf7a No.324561

>>324529

A Scar 17 would be right on the limit of your budget (probably above with taxes and shipping if needed), the 16 can be had for like 2500 bucks.

Either way, you're left with little to no money for mags, optics and whatever else you want to throw at it and always talking about 16 inches barrel (which, to me, seems kind of wasteful on a 7.62x51 rifle).

The Scar 17 can be converted to 5.56, but the 16 can't be converted to 7.62x51, that's something to consider if you want to have two high end rifles for the price of one+conversion kit.

Other than that, it does seem to be one of the best semi-auto rifles out there, at least based on reviews and the information available. I'm not a fan of reciprocating bolt or the stock design, the rest seems great to me.

If I were you, I'd probably get a Super Vepr in .308, make my own furniture, free float it, work the trigger and call it a day. But that would be a long project rather than just buying a good "tactical" rifle/battle rifle that doesn't need any kind of modification.


4cda18 No.324573

>>323837

>>324274

Some cursory reading suggests the C9A1 would be all right for what I need, though I'd prefer to compare. Are the Ruger SR9E or Sig Sauer P250 any good?


b7e888 No.324580

>>324561

Thanks for the reply, why do you think the 16 inch barrel is wasteful? I do have some more cash to throw at magazines and optics. Could you recommend a good scope? People seem to dislike the red dot optics but I don't know why, is it because they don't have any magnification? I'm fairly new to guns in general, bought my first handgun a year ago and my bolt action rifle less than half a year ago. Gunsmithing is a bit out of my league at the moment but I am eager to learn. Could you recommend any good online sources or books to really start learning about firearms?


69cf7a No.324623

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>>324580

See pic related.

That's a chart of muzzle speed with different barrel lengths using the same platform. Of course, it's a bolt action rifle as the filename states, so the numbers will be a bit higher than with a gas operated auto rifle.

that chart is particularly good because you have a good reasonable variety of loads and bullet weights.

Between 16.5 and 20 inches you're losing 276 Joules on average across all of cartridges with a peak on the 147gr Winchester (which is a lot like NATO's M80) of 296 J.

Between 20 and 22 (21 is a shit), you see a lose on average of 98 joules, with a max of 133 J on the heaviest cartridge (180gr).

Above that, you're dealing with an overly long weapon, 23 inches is almost as shitty as 21 in terms of energy gains; 24 is not so bad, but you're into the FUCKING LONG range of weapons.

Bearing the limit of practicality in mind, I'd say that 20 is ideal for the majority of the cartridges, 22 is not an awful idea if you're firing the heaviest shit out there; Worth saying, there is heavier than 180 and it probably does a bit better with longer barrels, but if you intend to feed your rifle with a wide variety of bullets, twist rate might become an issue, making you lose a bit of performance (be it accuracy or muzzle speed) with one cartridge or the other.

You also need to take into account that the energy the bullet has at the muzzle is not the same you will have down range, that relatively small difference between 3184J from a 16.5 vs a 3480J from a 20 translate into more than a handful extra meters of effectiveness on taking down shit.


69cf7a No.324633

>>324573

>SR9E

I've never seen one, I don't think they are being commercialized here, we only get the LCP from Ruger which I heard are actually good (qt little thing, but I really don't care about subcompact/pocket guns). The SIGs had good fame at some point but I heard SIG of america is kind of hit or miss with the QC, I remember trying a P226 a good while ago, but it was a DAO model (something I really don't like nor I'm used to); The trigger pull was, of course, awfully long, but smooth and nice. Not sure if the P250 comes on DA/SA and I can't really talk about the whole carrying method thing (cocked/chambered/whatever) as I have never carried myself.

The overly tall slide on the SIGs must not do any good on the muzzle flip, while pulling follow shots with 9mm might not really that hard, I don't see a good reason to handicap yourself with a gun that flips more than similarly priced alternatives (like CZ or Steyr)


329cc9 No.324646

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>>324573

I recently sold my SR9 for an EAA Witness in 9mm with plans for collecting conversion kits.

Before I went with the Witness I tried all the tupperware 9mms and I liked the M&P9 the best though the stock trigger was so so and it had a tendency to spit brass in my face.

An SR9 is a big gun to carry so I still have an SR9c for that purpose. After going with a steel framed pistol I wouldn't want to go back to polymer unless it's for EDC. Try out a CZ75/97 or a Sig 226 if you can to experience the difference.

Another random thing to take into consideration is a hammer fired gun makes it much easier to use the things like the CheapShot Tactical Training laser on amazon then the striker fired pistols. That way you can get way more "trigger time". This is doubly so if it's double action. Pair this with the open source ShootOff program and you can plink almost for free and at most have to just cock the hammer for the single action pull. In the SR9c the laser doesn't work well at all and stays lit until you rack the slide to reset the trigger.


8145f1 No.324670

Looking to get a 1911 in 45 obviously, for stoppan powah to cc

what is a good brand that makes stuff small enough to cc

Single stack only pls, the thinner the grip the better. I live in AZ and a t-shirt would be the only thing concealing it come summer time


374eeb No.324823

>>324463

I was talking about the compact, I guess I should have specified, though it doesn't usually get too cold where I live. Guess I'll go with the Cock 19


69cf7a No.324826

>>324823

The CZ75 compact is still a sizable and relatively heavy pistol. The Rami is considerably lighter with an alloy (some aluminium I'd guess) frame and whatnot.

They are really expensive here for some reason, not sure for much they go on 'merica. Everything CZ went up in price here quite a bit on the last 2 years or so.

Also…

See if you can try the Steyr C9A1, fuck glock, they are fake pseudo-kraut


762e06 No.324869

>>324453

I've cc'd a CZ75 SP01 Tactical. Shit sucks. Don't do it. Prints like hell, makes the ass of my jeans ride weird. Shoulder rig could be good, but I don't have one because I'm not in a John Woo movie.


f77936 No.324890

>>323840

thanks tripfag. I bought one yesterday, it gets in tomorrow, can't wait to shoot the beast


3515a1 No.324892

What is the /k/ opinion on the Walther PPS? I'm going to finish my application in Jew York and I'm looking for a first firearm, and this seems good for Babbies First Concealed Carry with a decent price tag.

And yes, I only did bring this gun up because I saw Hickock 45's video on it and it seemed neat enough


47e270 No.324894

>>324670

>t-shirt would be the only thing concealing it come summer time

How the hell are people supposed to conceal in summer? I live in the boonies so mostly it's not a problem, but it sucks when I have to go to the city.


0ee333 No.324903

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alright whats a good starter ar-15 yeah i know ar-15 but still work with me here please. something around 1k burger bucks.


329cc9 No.324909

>>324903

Get a blemished Adams Arms from budsgunshop and use the extra cash on mags and optics


983945 No.324911

>>324903

Depends on your definition of good. So you want something that will work well enough to put holes in paper at a decent distance or put holes in some on your property? Almost any AR will do that. The S&W AR's are supposed to be decent, even if they are usually missing dust covers and forward assists. I think Radical is supposed to be alright. I'm sort of drawing a blank in other decent but cheap brands, but more or less, AR's being so common, means companies can make some really good stuff for cheap.

If you want a AR you can use as a club cause it's so durable, group 1" at 300 meters, continue running after 3,000 rounds on one range trip or some other silly shit, you'll need to spend a bit more.

Best advice, check a gun shop, play with a few, and when you find one you like the look or feel of, look up the company. Usually big name companies are always going to work, even if they usually pump out bland shit, but some lesser known companies will put out better shit for a better price, but you also take the risk of getting a lemon without a warranty.


2fafe8 No.327865

>>324646

What's your experience carrying the sr9c? Some of the reviews I read said your hand gets in the way of racking the slide when holding it. What's the trigger like?


62f747 No.327941

I was thinking of buying a EAA Witness Polymer Compact 9mm, has anyone owned/shot one? I like how it looks, and that I can get a 10mm conversion kit for it. I'm a no funs atm, but I have shot quite a few guns.


a1a489 No.327944

>>323663

>>324506

this

>>324670

>what is a good brand that makes stuff small enough to cc

1911s are a piss poor choice for a CC gun, even subcompacts


5ef53a No.327945

>>322967

Go XD, my uncle has one and I've shot it quite a bit, lots of fun, easy to handle, simple to use. Back when I was 14 I had no problems using it, I'm 19 now and still simple as hell


1476eb No.328037

What is the best AK type to buy? I have heard DDI and Arsenal recommended a ton.


983945 No.328043

>>328037

There's AK 47 style which means it will fire 7.62x39 and AK 74 which means it will fire 5.45x39. Other than that, I think Milled is supposed to be a bit more durable than Forged receivers, but only enough to matter if you're going to war and expect to be firing non-stop and you'll be paying a lot more for it.

DDI is recommended as a cheaper company that doesn't cut corners when it comes to making it right. Their prices run around 700-800 if I'm remember right.

Arsenal if I remember is one of the companies people make fun of like Century that put out trash, but I might be mixing them up since I only remember one of the trash companies started with an A.

Definitive Arms is the other company heavily recommended around here but is a higher quality company so it's a decent amount more. Their stuff is a bit harder to come across since they do them in batches if I remember, and they'll run around 1,000 or a bit more.


983945 No.328048

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>>328043

sorry, it's forged vs cast and milled vs stamped. Cast and stamped are the weaker versions, but still worth it if you're not expecting to need to fire a few thousand rounds at a time daily for a few years or some craziness


69cf7a No.328094

>>328043

>Other than that, I think Milled is supposed to be a bit more durable than Forged receivers

Yes, milled will weight significantly more and get you 5-10k more rounds than a regular stamped receiver, a good, russian made, reinforced stamped receiver should last at least as much as a milled receiver. You will have through several barrels by then.

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/definitive-arms-ak-47-dakm-4150-detail.html?Itemid=0

Those are said to get close to 1.5 MOA of accuracy with good ammo. Some people have had similar results with slightly improved Molot's Vepr in 7.62x39.


69cf7a No.328096

>>328094

>You will have * through

*gone


906a47 No.328868

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hey /k/ What is the best all-round weapon I can get for 300$ or less?

It cannot be a pistol as I am 19 years old and cant get ammo for a handgun yet and I already have a model 200 12ga pump-action shotgun, this would be just in case shit hit the fan. also what is the best ammo to use for self-defense in terms of a shotgun? I have like 250 rounds of #8 buckshot in my closet

pic related is my shotgun


2deb85 No.328876

>>328868

22 bolt action rifle to practice marksmanship


daf5c9 No.328877

>>328868

This is going to be a point of contention here, but I am going to suggest #1 buckshot. More pellets and less recoil than 00.




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