e49de5 No.323881
Sexist Gunships?
Not so much the deadliest but damned good looking shit
So Italian Warfare Doctrine Thread?
877c7e No.323882
>>323881
>Gunships
>Sexist
You take your copter-phobic shit and fuck off back to Tumblr.
8f4bb2 No.323888
>>323882
As a trans-copter, does it go in the fixed wing hangar or the rotary wing hangar?
e49de5 No.323889
>>323882
Sexyist*
I missed the fucking "y"
Damn it /k/ommandos I fucked up, I shouldn't have made this thread drunk.
7a1149 No.323897
>>323889
>>323881
You want sexiest.
MARINES STROOOOONG
e49de5 No.323901
>>323888
Epic kek
>>323897
and I keep fucking up. Think I may go lay down somewhere /k/omrades.
2bcec8 No.323904
> two blades
I thought the AH-1W was phased out.
Cobra is cooler than the Apache. sportier, has a 20mm high velocity cannon instead of 30mm low velocity potato gun.
7a1149 No.323919
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>>323901
No it's ok. Some people are good at grammar, others are good at fucking shit up.
The only people who'd really weigh that against you are people who are only good at grammar, and nothing else.
>>323904
It also wasn't a slow, fatass, hover-hound. But to be fair, the Army was limited in what it could build by the Key West.
If the Army had unlimited development potential, they'd make something like this.
Can you believe this thing got cancelled because Air Force complained it could do SEAD?
e0c1e7 No.323923
>>323919
That looks and sounds really futuristic. Isn't SEAD usually a role assigned to jet aircraft?
4d9c96 No.323927
7a1149 No.323941
>>323923
Yeah but this thing is so radar/IR silent and can fly so low that it can avoid basically 100% of air defenses, while destroying them. They were even going to add anti radiation missiles on it.
It was based on this:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/1993/SJL.htm
7a1149 No.323945
2bcec8 No.323960
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>>323919
I don't think that's true, the Comanche was a victim of budget trimming.
>>323941
unfortunately the thing took so long to develop its stealth was leapfrogged by radar technology and it would have required a new model, if it's even possible to mask a rotor against that improvement.
now the Cheyenne was killed by Air Force politics.
a62f16 No.323969
>>323960
>Lockheed product
I think they dodged a bullet there frankly /k/omrade.
7a1149 No.323977
>>323960
The Air force had more than a little to do with it. They initiated the GAO inquisition into the Comache program.
2bcec8 No.323987
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>>323969
Lockheed wasn't always what it is now
>>323977
I can't find a reference of that, I can find that it was going to consume 40% of the total Army aviation budget to continue development. The Comanche was a cool doodad but defending is worse than defending the F35. It was an albatross and outdated before it even left the hangar.
2bcec8 No.324015
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now I really want to know more about the XM301 cannon the Comanche used, it's a cut down Vulcan.
dd00d2 No.324026
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Gunships are far too sexy to ever pick just one. But I do enjoy the Ka-50.
7a1149 No.324060
>>323987
Of course not, it's not exactly public knowledge.
afc3b4 No.324064
>>323987
>Lockheed wasn't always what it is now
What about the Starfighter scandals?
08381c No.324074
>>324026
>>324026
Yet more unrealistic standards for helicopters. You want some fake porn-star coaxial rotors? Those aren't even real and you know it. Here's what a real helo looks like.
fuck you, Hotwheels. Fuck you in the ass.
f5ce0d No.324090
>>324064
Genuine question, but was the starfighter actually as awful as people say?
0ce605 No.324136
I wish they'd just put big guns on big things like what was done with the AC-130.
e49de5 No.324203
>>324090
Short answer?
Yes!
Long answer?
Holy fucknugget yes!
It wasn't nicknamed the "Lawn Dart" for nothing.
11e181 No.324225
>>324136
>I wish they'd just put big guns on big things like what was done with the AC-130.
What I want is for them to make small and fast things with big guns
Something like pic related but with two GAU-8 Avengers
7a1149 No.324307
>>324090
It had only one engine, which would fail often due to poor reliability.
First variants had an engine starter only on the airfield.
If the engine cut out in flight, the aircraft nosedived and crashed.
Even after an in-flight engine starter was added, it didn't do much good.
This is because the stubby wings couldn't provide enough lift to glide while engine restarts anyway.
Also most of the engine failures occurred when taking off, because ice on the runway would be ingested and there wasn't really any time for the engine to restart.
You're probably thinking "well why didn't the pilot just eject?"
Because the ejection seat was fired directly downwards into the runway.
In the split second after ingesting FOD, the pilot would have to flip the aircraft upside down to eject safely.
Out of 239 delivered to Canada every single one had engine flameouts or some kind of accident, about half were recovered but 110 crashed and were completely lost.
That's a peacetime loss rate of 46%.
Over a hundred of our pilots and instructors left the air force because of this aircraft.
It was called the "Widowmaker" and if a pilots wife heard about him flying it she would often get him to quit.
37 of our best pilots were lost to the jet.
We're a country with a tiny population, we had a very tiny pool of people who can even fly jets, and the experienced pilots our airforce lost was incredibly precious.
I don't think RCAF has recovered to this day.
We vowed never to buy a single engine jet ever again, which is why we chose the F-18 over the F-16, and which is why there's so much resistance in the Air Force to the F-35.
879578 No.324326
>>324093
Cheyenne is probably the ugliest helicopter in the world
Make way for some real slav cuties
879578 No.324327
>>324326
Aww hell no, anything but THIS flag
8f4bb2 No.324329
>>324327
I've always wondered how salo tastes.
08381c No.324330
>>324307
>it ejects downward into the pavement
Can't help but suspect there was someone who wanted to perform an ethnic cleansing of fighter pilots at this point.
b01afd No.324332
Is it wrong that I want to fuck a hind?
879578 No.324333
>>324329
It's fat and salty. Goes really good with Borodinsky bread, though I prefer brisket myself.
881f19 No.324345
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>>323884
How is this thing not the official helicopter of /k/?
881f19 No.324348
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>>324345
JUST LISTEN TO THIS FUCKING THING
8c8998 No.324354
>>324307
>it ejects downwards
I actually looked that shit up. And it is fucking true, holy shit.
>In the early days of the XF-104 program, it was decided due to the limitations of the available ejection seat catapults, the ejection seat should fire downwards. This allowed for the best capability of clearing aircraft structure, including the vertical fin at higher speeds. It also effected the windblast on the pilot.
>be engineer
>get high as fuck
>"Dude, what if we eject the seat…like… downwards man…"
>"The windblast man….THE WINDBLAST"
7a1149 No.324362
>>324330
>>324354
Apparently the excuse was that they feared the ejection seat wouldn't clear the huge tail of the thing.
Although one questions why they didn't just add a second rocket firing sideways a split second later to clear the tail that way.
>>324332
If its so wrong why does it feel so good?
4e7801 No.324372
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>sexist gunships
look at these guns!
8c8998 No.324373
>>324348
It's the rotary wing russian version of the A10C.
>>324362
c93b4c No.324377
>>324372
Nigga that a space plane
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8c8998 No.324385
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7a1149 No.324398
Are there other helicopters which can drop regular bombs?
56fab7 No.324400
>>324064
>>324090
>>324203
>>324307
>>324330
>>324354
>>324362
The pilot losses with the Starfighter in Germany were so high because this corrupt fat fuck of a defense minister demanded it to be used as a strategic low flying bomber instead of its intended use as a high flying interceptor!
As far as I know the down ejecting chair was only in early versions and the G/H variants were equipped with the Martin-Baker zero/zero ejection seats.
8c8998 No.324401
7a1149 No.324409
>>324401
Ok I should say "helicopters in service actually designed to drop aircraft bombs, excluding improvisations and excluding barrel bombs".
644daf No.324411
d15b08 No.324425
>>324307
>>324400
>>324362
The more I hear about the F-104 the more I wonder how the hell Lockheed are still allowed to make planes?
8c8998 No.324443
>>324425
Their planes cost a lot of money, and they spend that money on bribes, which gets them even more money, which they spend on even more bribes for even more expensive planes.
One day it will either blow over or we will be ruled by our new gods and overseers Lockheed.
323a0e No.324448
>>324425
>how the hell Lockheed are still allowed to make planes?
Excellent marketing and bribes, Mcdonnel Douglas almost always produces better aircraft but has shitty marketing and is more secretive, Convair was batshit insane but in the right way and expensive
11e181 No.324454
>>324425
Because corporatism and corruption
7a1149 No.324551
>>324448
Don't forget Northrop.
>competition between who will buy europes future planes
>general dynamics, dassault, saab etc sends a sales team
>sales team explains the functioning of the airplane
>sales team assures customers of partial production in their own country (jobs)
>sales team offers to levy maintenance and training costs
>northrop sends one dude
>hes wearing a windbreaker, ball cap and smoking a cuban cigar
>he opens the conference room door with his foot
>exhales smoke directly into the customers faces
>points at a picture of the f-17
>"we got it, you want it, call me when you're ready to buy"
>he walks out of the room
>runs up a ridiculous service charge at a hotel
In the end Northrop had to sell the F-17 design to recoup the development costs, despite the fact that it was far superior to F-16 or really any design being offered.
478350 No.324578
>>324551
Didn't they have a competitor to F-22 that was better in every way?
8f9c4f No.324581
>>324551
>you know with the french people you have to write it black an white on the paper several times before you exactly know what theyre talking about
Maybe the dutch are just retarded and need a flowchart to explain basic concepts.
06d4ea No.324603
>>324578
It cost about 150% more and was less agile but then again the importance of agility is debatable right now.
60bc2c No.324645
>>324136
Patrician taste, anon.
6feb45 No.324647
>>323919
>posts Comanche
my syrup-nigga
>>323987
>The Comanche was a cool doodad but defending is worse than defending the F35. It was an albatross and outdated before it even left the hangar.
='(
60bc2c No.324648
>>324307
One the upside it had a pretty decent lift to drag ratio which is really impressive if you consider it's lift was near zero.
60bc2c No.324651
>>324307
Our pilots kinda loved them as much as one sane person can love these pieces of shit that is. Their turn radius was bigger than the Phantoms' but had even better kinetic conservation performance and could out-accelerate everything up to 4th gen.
60bc2c No.324653
>>324332
Depends on if you are referring to a woman's hind, the helicopter or a female deer.
60bc2c No.324655
>>324333
It looks like more thickly cut bacon/pancetta.
Is it pig belly or pig back?
9a54f9 No.324716
>>324614
One day they will name a carrier after Lain. That day will be a good day.
2bcec8 No.324775
>>324716
they already named one after a ww2 captured and repatriated chinese warship, the buttblasting is beautiful
6348b6 No.324799
>>324775
Even if Japan does nothing the PRC will be perpetually buttblasted because their citizens can't see the sky in most of their cities.
7a1149 No.324876
>>324578
Black widow.
>>324603
>cost about 150% more
One reason that's true is because the F-22 prototype didn't have a missile/bomb bay, or even pylons. While the F-23 was built around a central bomb bay, much like the PAKFA, meaning more thought had to be put into the design.
>and was less agile
YF-22 wing area was 830ft with an empty weight of 33000lb, and an accel rating of 8g.
YF-23 wing area was 900ft with an empty weight of 29000lb, and an accel rating of 9g.
So the YF-23 outperformed it in high subsonic and transonic sustained turn and pitch, which is where air to air fighting happens.
Where YF-22 had an edge is in the TVC which gave it good low subsonic control, and in high supersonic roll rate. These are completely useless factoids because no one is going to be dogfighting above mach 2 or below mach 0.2.
Oh and YF-22 could have a better AOA, which hasn't been a thing of issue for awhile now.
In the end the addition of the internal bays and the other F-22 changes increased the weight and reduced the maneuverability to the point where it met the performance of the YF-23 already with the bays anyway.
391e67 No.324922
>>324603
Was going to point out how the YF-23 was outperforming the YF-22 left right and center and highly praised till all of a sudden some money changed hands between Lockheed and a few Senators then the YF-22 suddenly all of sudden became epic and good despite no changes to the design at all, and the YF-23 became suddenly shit.
Or you could look at the technical details. >>324876
The F-22 is actually a flying brick in real life. F-18's outmaneuver it and even managed to get kills on the F-22 with guns.
It's role though is an ordnance platform not a dogfighter so suppose that's how they justify it, but honestly the YF-23 was a better plane all round.
ed115b No.324930
I dont really see sexism in the attack helicopter community tbh, whether against cis- bi- tri- trans or pansexuals, we are pretty open in that regard
de17e7 No.324933
>>324930
Just the other day I was minding my own business driving home when I stopped at a red light. An apache swooped down next to me, called me a fag and then flew off. Like what the fuck it's the current year attack helicopters can't do that???!?!?
0d15d1 No.324937
>>324933
>implying you could resist him
7a1149 No.324946
>>324937
The flower's a nice touch.
5a3a9d No.324949
>>324074
I'm so tired of photoshopped images of helicopters. This false standard of beauty needs to be deconstructed already. How many young choppers have been emotionally scarred by images of pristine, impossibly attractive gunship models?
REAL CHOPPERS HAVE DUST
REAL CHOPPERS HAVE DIRT
#realcopterbeautycampaign.tumblr.com
dbcb69 No.324952
>>324933
I hope you get BTFO, you fucking degenerate aircraft.
>>323881
All degenerates must be MANPADed
60bc2c No.324953
>>324876
>Oh and YF-22 could have a better AOA, which hasn't been a thing of issue for awhile now.
YF-23 had better high alpha than the YF-22?
e4e569 No.324958
>>324953
Wrong thread, Ahmed.
7a1149 No.324980
>>324953
Other way around. The 22 had higher alpha, but AOA isn't a thing that matters.
It USED to matter, when radars were like looking through a straw, and missiles were guided mostly by radar.
But modern radars have a wide field of view, and the missiles have a variety of off boresight guidance.
750f5f No.324981
>>324093
>>324979
already posted.
also what is it?
689831 No.324992
7a1149 No.324993
>>324981
Lynx Wildcat carrying the Thales LMM (lightweight multipurpose missile). Lynx Wildcat is a rather generic helicopter similar to Black Hawk.
The Thales LMM is similar to the Thales Starstreak, except there is only one very large dart which carries more explosive, and the rocket body is more or less a multi stage CRV7.
Can fuck up low flying jets, helicopters, IFVs, APCs, humvees, trucks, fuel depots, bunkers, airfields, can sink small ships with a single hit or cause decent damage even to larger ships.
The rocket accelerates a tungsten warhead that acts as a slower 76mm APCR shot. It penetrates an armor thickness ~90mm RHA then then explodes inside with a force of a 60mm mortar.
Myself I think ADATS is superior, but maybe having multiple smaller missiles is better when fighting durkas in Toyota Hiluxes.
2bcec8 No.324999
Lynx is cool in that it's still basically a Huey airframe. too bad that neat helicopter belongs to the Caliphate.
0a3dda No.325067
534a81 No.325122
>>324090
Early-production F-104s had an unfortunate combination of an engine that failed during takeoff and an ejection seat that only worked at high altitudes. Also, low and slow flight was difficult because throttling back too far would cut power to the BLC system, which was absolutely critical at those speeds.
It was also operated mostly by people who had no idea how to fly a supersonic interceptor, and was used mostly for a role that it was totally unsuitable for.
The Italians were pretty much the only air force that actually used the F-104 for its intended purpose, and they liked them so much that they continued fielding and upgrading their F-104 fleet all the way through the Gulf War.
ee6c40 No.326873
>>323987
>Lockheed wasn't always what it is now
That's not the only case that lockheed came up with something cool, they made this ramjet drone meant to test AA defenses and it fucking destroyed the Nike missile system.
This created a shitstorm and lockheed got the blame for blowing the lid for showing how bad the defenses were.
My guess is that between this and cases like the cheyenne lockheed as a company realized its not the best system that sells but the one that packs enough bullshit and bribes so politicians and generals will choose it.
And thats why lockheed is the successful business its today, which doesn't means it is the best at what it does
ee6c40 No.326876
>>324581
Or maybe they were high……as always
>>324551
Got the rest of that video?
>>324876
>>324922
I been hearing the chinese J-20(21?) is actually closer to the YF23 in philosophy since its faster more stealthy and can carry more shit than the F22 but its less maneuverable but they don't care since its mostly BVR these days
>>324354
Is posts like these why I still come to this board
189833 No.326893
>>324372
This is what I came for
7012b2 No.326907
>>326873
And the SR-71. Lockheed always made the coolest toys but they were always spoiled and greedy.
7a1149 No.326961
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>>326876
>Got the rest of that video?
08d298 No.326968
>>323888
You go rust on the field.
nice trips for a trans chopper though.
66f05d No.332292
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>>323881
On the topic of sexism, let me present to you an equally awesome and disliked video.
7a1149 No.332313
>>326787
I was born in the body of a white male, but I'm really a Frogfoot ground strike aircraft.
c8fd29 No.332315
>>332292
Jesus fuck what a horrible work condition to work under, someone, somebody, won't someone please PLEASE get that cunt the worlds smallest violin, pronto.
172074 No.332347
>>332292
average British woman tbh
6f5ec8 No.333688
>>324653
All are acceptable in war, Strelok.
ccad5e No.333737
>>324614
>that pic
K-k-kawaii
>tfw I want to see US vehicles with decals on just like ww2
fb90bb No.333741