/k/ - Weapons

>Glock not at number 1

>AR-15 not at number 2

>>324166

shit list, gas yourself, fag.

also this >>324168

Tasty bait, OP

>>324168

This

>XD at number one

I don't know a single person that owns an XD.

It's either a Glawk ## or an M&P.

Glock is the most overrated by far.

>5 mosin

>reasoning is all ad hominium directed at "fedora wearing neckbeards"

Well just black listed this site, thanks OP!

>not AK as #1 overrated gun

The list is wrong

>MUH MONEY

>MUH HOLLYWOOD

>MUH AR

>MUH CURRENT YEAR

>MUH GLAWK

there ya go OP, just summed up the entire list for ya

>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!!!!!! DDDDDD: !!!!11!!!1!ELEVEN!

>the article

>>324182

Hot wheels dad?

>>324186

Nah

>>324166

Honestly, I thought >>324168, >>324173 or >>324177 would be right.

Also

>Well it’s now number 5 on this list, because it’s adored by an entire generation of internet fanboys who are too poor to buy a proper rifle

This faggot got banned from /k/ or what? What part of "meme gun" doesn't get? Only that would explain all this butthurt.

Try mine.

5. AKM

4. AR-15

3. Nugget

2. Glock

1. 1911

>>324166

this list is awful, you're awful, don't do this

upon further reading of this out-of-nowhere link. OP you wrote this didn't you. you're linking us your garbagecan licking clickbait writing.

the only entry that's even marginally factual is the M14.

> the Luger is a dumb meme pistol bcus they repwaced it wit the p38

after 35 years and a second war you dimwit hollywood educated bootheel.

>>324195

>AKM

Replace that with AK-47(a gun that doesn't fucking exist outside of a singular example in museum you retarded yankees) and you're golden.

that list is so cucked, a better list

#! ar-15, everyone loves them when their are better modern rifles like the aug and scar and unavailable ak-12, ask any fanboy what makes them so good and you will here autism about unrealistic accuracy, and merican made rifle

#2 1911

while this was a great handgun 100 years ago, it is now aging so badly it's a meme, 8 rounds vs 12 to 15 in a modern .45 gun

#3 the tavor

thanks to youtubers, who more than likely got paid some serious shekels and free trips to iwi in Israel, this overpriced chunky horrible trigger piece of garbage is popular, if you want a bullpub by a aug, much better triggers and they feel lighter in the hands.

#4 anything h&k or clones, mp5's now sold on the u.s market by turkroaches sell for 1500$ , for a fucking 9mm carbine, not to mention the g3 and variants are clunky, hard to shoulder

guns

#5 smith and Wesson m&p shield, bad egros if you have large hands, really snappy recoil . why not buy the god-tier glock 43

besides this point i would buy a mosin over a piece of shit mim cast american ruger or shitty remingturd rifle anyday

>>324226

better list

>1911

only nostalgiafags and .45fags use it for muh stoppin powah i only need 7 rounds for 7 bad guys

>glock

no better than any other polymer pistol out there

>sig p22#

shitty quality control and just as big as any other metal 9mm pistol like a beretta 92 but since sig caters to operatorfaggots they think it's the best and should have been the M9

>HK anything

overpriced teutonic magic shit

>M1 Garand

good for its time but these neckbeard operators idolize it because it was in dubya dubya the sequel. and yet they shit all over the M14.

>with all the quality control Croatia can muster! Because oh yeah, when I think quality firearms, I think “Croatia.”

Huh, this is the first time I ever hear anything bad about the HS2000 and it's a shitty dis pointed towards my country by some assblasted Glock owner. That's nice. He didn't say anything about the gun, just cried about Springfield Armory being jews.

>>324233

i'm sure the faggot couldn't even point croatia out on a map. one because we were never at war with croatia and that's how americans learn geography, and two because he just hates croatia because glock isn't from there.

>>324226

>I don't know where this meme started

After people realized it was a complete downgrade from the Garand as well as a glorified hissy-fit to get 7.62x51 as a NATO standard.

>>324182

>ddi ak74

For a genetic dud, you have good taste.

>>324226

lots of valid points to chose a ak over a ar, not picky about ammo, more reliable, no buffer system, no dissemble of bcg during field strip

>Mosin

>Lost every war it has been in

What was WWII?

What was the Chinese Civil War?

What was the Finnish War?

What was the Veitnam War?

Also, what guns do you think the guy who wrote this list likes?

>>324250

Glocks,

He sucks the glock cock for the entire XD paragraph.

>$100 C&R rifle that’s fought itself in every major war since WW1 and lost every time.

I am going to find you and shit in your mouth tovarish

>>324242

>downgrade from a garand

how?

>hissy-fit to get 7.62x51 as a NATO standard

and yet he sucks the FAL's cock

>>324253

>how?

Early production was so far out of specifications that it seemed like they reamed the chambers with hand tools.

This was especially true with the presentation samples.

It carries the same weaknesses of the M1 Garand but adds a flimsy handguard and a pointless select-fire switch.

Instead of using the standard Garand modified to accept BAR magazines, both of which they had stockpiles and tooling for, they adopted something completely different that needs slightly different parts made by much different machinery.

>FAL

The FAL was a good design, and was in line to be the primary rifle of the United States until we proposed the 7.62x51mm chambering over the .280 British.

It took so long for FN to get the tooling ready that, when the US refused to adopt the FAL, they didn't bother scrapping the machinery and standardized the FAL to 7.62x51, which ruined it for everyone else that wanted it and delaying NATO's adoption of a proper assault rifle for quite a few years.

>Mosin

>fought itself in every major war since WWI and lost

This guy might be retarded.

>>324166

You know…I want to get this just so i can attach a real rifle to this. I think it will work out well.

>>324251

Glocksuckers, the ultimate cancer.

>>324166

>Mosin

Yes, its not a super gun, and its not a sniper. Its a competent bolt gun for $150 that's a bit of fun. Spending any more on it other than ammo makes 0 sense though, because you could have just gotten a cheap savage axis instead and had a technically superior gun.

>Luger

I…wasn't under the impression that anyone other than CoD kiddies thought they were technically good, collectors just think they're interesting.

>AK-47

Completely agree that the reliability is overrated. They are not unreliable by any means however. People far under rate the accuracy potential at the same time though. I would argue that the controls are good for what they are designed for: wearing gloves. The charging handle is on the wrong side, but the Russians charge with their shooting hand so whatever.

also:

>AR

>Good ergonomics

>Even worse charging handle location and that stupid forward assist arrangement

>good

The AR has OKAY ergos, he's just use to them so they're second nature.

>m14

Yeah they're not a great idea. All the inherent unreliability of the garand just with a magazine now, in an era where we really should have adopted an intermediate cartridge.

Oh and if you ever see a hipower shooter that still uses an m14, pick their gun up by the hand-guard and watch them shit a brick.

>Springfield XD

Are overpriced. If you want a good cheap plastic handgun get a Walther PPX. They're <$300 and fucking fantastic.

Glocks and M&P are NOT the same price, Glocks are usually ~$100 more expensive on the shelf. Glocks are generally overpriced by about $100, despite the glocksuckers cries of "GLOCKS ARE CHEEAAAPPP". This is OKAY if you understand what you're buying into is a pass to a fantastic aftermarket, but the gun itself is not worth that. Its also probably the worse striker fired trigger on anything over $300, and very close to the worst overall.

OK it's a shit list, lets talk about something more interesting.

>OP pic

Fun fact: US special forces use hybrid all terrain vehicle electric motors to sneak up on Taliban strongholds and fuck them up. True story, google it.

There's also a Canadian company which converts SNOWmobiles into SANDmobiles.

http://www.sand-x.com/en/populate.php?pid=8

>>324166

>nugget made the list

I can agree with that. It stopped being good when the supply dried up.

>>324286

Top X lists are the ultimate cancer. What the hell did you guys expect from such an article?

>>324166

The amount of salt on the comment section is awesome, people got buttsore, the author went all defensive and everyone is mad, specially the M14 retards.

Glock should be number 1 for sure.

>>324166

That was absolute shit, at least use archive next time.

I have an xd, it functions fine but is just more craptastic plastic. I never knew it was over-rated when I've never known anyone with one.

>>324265

Why would a m1 be any better than an m14 in that role?

>>324288

>m14, pick their gun up by the hand-guard and watch them shit a brick

Every fucking thread. First of all, what faggot let's other people handle their rifle ever if it's their baby, and if not, they won't care. I handle mine every which way, every day and it doesn't have a magical wandering zero.

Either you are repeating what you've been told on arfcom or guys are shitting bricks that some fag just groped their rifle.

Overrated is something that everyone says is great, but is really shit.

The guy who wrote this is probably a massive fudd and can't understand the difference between liking a gun because it's really accurate, and liking a gun because it's fun to shoot and has historic value. he's probably that guy that boasts about hitting a 50c coin at the range from 25 meters with his 10x scope and bipod.

For example, when I'm popping pigs on my mate's farm, I take my savage axis because ammo is cheap, the rifle is accurate and if it's damaged I can swap out the furniture or the part for very cheap. I don't care that it looks like shit and is boring, but it does the job. When I go to the range, I take my k31 because it's fun to shoot and I enjoy owning a rifle like that, mainly because of the historic value.

>>324168

/thread

>>324814

Intermediate cartridges as we know them wouldn't exist had NATO adopted the little wonder that .270 Enfield was. I believe going bellow 2000J mark was a mistake, ignoring shit like ballistic coefficient was a mistake.

I wish I saved my own re-cap of the events that lead to the adoption of 7.62x51, the whole process was a joke and NATO standard ended up being picked because of political reasons rather than practical/technical ones.

>>324166

I see nothing wrong with this list.

The guy is right, most gun owners are retards and this list nails a decent chunk of them.

>INB4 Bait

Not bait. Fact. Retards are abundant at gun shows and open carry events.

You think open carrying your tapco sks in a low ready position at a coffee shop is going to help our cause??? Retard

>>324782

>I handle mine every which way, every day and it doesn't have a magical wandering zero.

Are you regularly shooting out to 600 yards?

Guy is retarded for trashtalking the AK.

>>324820

>You think open carrying your tapco sks in a low ready position at a coffee shop is going to help our cause??? Retard

I'm not sure you read the same article we read, strelok. Also, you might want to consider calming down a bit.

>>324843

It's labeled as "comedy" and the author acknowledges that, even if the list sort of goes along with what he really thinks, the article was written with a dose of "shitposting" (of course, not his exact words).

I still believe that glocks are by far the most overrated firearms on this world. The AK is slightly overrated by a fair bunch of people too, but it is also underrated by a whole lot. I'd probably put the AK on the fifth of sixth place (if there was one). The M14 most definitely goes on the second place.

>>324818

>Intermediate cartridges as we know them wouldn't exist had NATO adopted the little wonder that .270 Enfield was.

I'd call that a 100% positive result.

>going below 2000J was a mistake

The figures I've seen for the .280, fired from the EM2, was ~2440J muzzle energy. I suppose with experimental ammunition and weapons you'd see some variation around that figure though. I'll concede the point on ballistic coefficient - but that looks like something that could have been addressed with future developments of the round.

My understanding of the decision the Americans made about the round basically boils down to.

>It's smaller than the 7.62!

>Insufficiently made in AMURCA!

>My donors and potential employers after my political career stand to make more money off the 7.62.

>>324837

I don't shoot anything regularly anymore and I doubt you do either since you repeat the same "hurr durr handguards" line everytime, but I used to. And using a rifle beyond what it's good for is silly and not an argument against the gun. And most semi-autos don't make sense past 600 yds or so. There's a reason it has more ammo, and you can hold a position without working a bolt, it's to send another round down to kill a man, not for score. And I've shot mine at a 1000 yds, but at some point it makes more sense to move to a bolt.

When I said I handle mine, I mean it goes into the house, into the pickup, out to wherever I'm working, laid down in shade near where I work, etc. This is not a match rifle. But if I need to, I would treat all but one rifle I have the same way.

The m14 is not a great rifle. But it is good enough over a range of situations.

>>324863

You took my post the wrong way, m8…

>I'd call that a 100% positive result.

Never said the opposite.

>I suppose with experimental ammunition and weapons you'd see some variation around that figure though. I'll concede the point on ballistic coefficient - but that looks like something that could have been addressed with future developments of the round.

.280 enfield (wrote 270 earlier, but was thinking about the later version) had fantastic ballistic coefficient and the remark about energy was precisely because of the range of energy the enfield was achieving, it was just right (in my opinion, that is). We now have 6.5 grendel, a fairly similar round, just slightly shorter and with a more step shoulder angle.

I don't remember the exact numbers right now, but .280 had the same amount of energy as 7.62x51 at the 400 meters mark or so, the difference on BC was incredible. It also translated well to bullet drop.

The total weight was about 40% more than 5.56, still less than 7.62x51 while having better performance within reasonable combat ranges. I'm not sure if .280 would have been enough to avoid going smaller, but it must certainly would have kept 7.62x51 from being relevant now a days. Maybe we would have a slightly shorter 6.something intermediate cartridge with a bit more power than current 5.56, who knows.

>>324833

RIP PenorCut.

The joos shut it down.

>>324863

>>324896

So both 5.56 and 7.62 NATO are shit? What's the problem with them?

>>324906

That just isn't a Mosin

>>324906

That's a picture of some other dude holding a Swedish Mauser.

>>324908

>>324912

Sorry, I just googled the lot and took the first picture I found.

>>324916

I dunno about 6.5 Grendel. It kinda beats your gun to death on a regular basis.

>>324916

And what about the Soviet model of using battle rifles and general purpose machine guns on the squad level? So every fire team has a weapon in 7.62x54, but every other solider uses an assault rifle an with intermediate round. Would that fix theses problems, or simply giving assault rifles in .280 would be better?

>>324923

I think he meant that it literally beats the gun to death, United Kuckistinian.

>>324925

Oh my god, sir - your post is just too much for me to bear! I may have to go and an hero myself. How on earth can men possibly stand against such a keen wit as yours?

>>324923

>>324927

Holy shit you certainly got triggered.

6.5 causes a lot of wear and tear on a rifle. Often quite literally "beating the gun to death."

>>324929

>someone starts mocking me

>I KNOW, I'LL CALL HIM TRIGGERED, THAT MEANS HE LOSES!

>ERMA JEENIUS!

>>324931

Well seeing that I never started up with the names and such and simply stated that 6.5 does not grant a weapon a very long service life which caused you to completely flip shit. You should really calm down.

>>324932

Yeah, over-reacted, but this subject tends to get me into a bad mood. All in all it could have been a lot worse.

>>324921

I'd say that using .280 would be the better choice, it's performance wasn't too far below 7.62 to make it useless at range, and out preforms 5.56.

If you had an effective enough logistics group behind that squad then maybe include some specialist weapons in 7.62 to get that little bit extra energy and range if you really wanted it, although I don't see how that would be a large enough problem to warrant the extra hassle.

>listing m14 instead of ar15

>listing springfield XD instead of Glock

>listing luger instead of 1911

The only thing they got right is moist nugget.

>>324288

Nobody thinks Lugers are a super gun, UNLIKE the legions of 1911 fanboys out there who think a single-stack of .45 is the best shit ever created by a human.

Lugers are just cool because of their role in the history of modern arms development.

>>324180

Wouldn't it be difficult to insert a clip of that size?

>>324969

Modern journalism sucks

I dislike them almost as much as trump does

>>324916

7.62

>Too heavy.

Stop being a manlet

>Too energetic.

1. Stop being a manlet

2. No such thing.

>and more often than not uncontrollable (especially if you're firing on automatic)

1. Stop being a manlet

2. Auto is never going to be sniper rifle accurate.

3.Colt CMG-3 look it up.

>>324947

You do know double stack M1911's exist?

>>324964

>Implying you wrote that.

fucking sage and slide this garbage thread already, you're giving clickbucks to an unintelligent faggot clickbait writer.

>>324964

go suck off Gawker for real money and quit shitting up our board you lowlife.

>>324929

6.5 grendel sheers lugs on the shitty bored out conversion bolts, that's it. it doesn't "beat" anything to death.

>>324226

>M14

You mean the retarded rifle that loses zero if you sneeze on it and weighs more than a sack of bricks?

>>324173

>>324226

>>324251

>>324288

>>324782

>>324944

>XD

>>>/reddit/

You should have known this faggot was retarded when you read;

>The 1911, the Glock 17, the AR15, the M1 Garand.

As his examples of guns that are not overrated, after which he went on to say;

>Legends, and rightfully so because they’ve earned their place in history.

AND LIST THE LEGENDARY MOSIN AS SOMETHING THAT HASNT EARNED A PLACE IN HISTORY!

>>324860

Why are AK and Glock "overrated" again?

Cheap, full of market parts, go bang when you pull the trigger, low maintenance weapons.

What more do you need?

look at this fudd >>325024

do not be this fudd

>>325258

Overrated due to their cult-like following.

Just because something you enjoy has flaws does not mean it's terrible or even bad, you just have to acknowledge that your favorite gun isn't crafted out of unicorn horns and wood from the oldest tree in existence.

The M14 is notorious for having a rabid fanbase filled with wannabe grunts, stolen valor faggots, and fobbits who have only heard myths about it and haven't fired a shot in anger.

The AK is similar only because of parroted phrases and myths that reach people who have no idea how firearms work.

The Glock was designed to be cheaper than it sells for now. It works, but that's all it does. Work.

>>325258

>Why are AK and Glock "overrated" again?

See >>325280

The glock has subpar trigger and aren't really cheap, I really wish people would stop saying glocks are cheap. There are cheaper guns that are better at everything but having a shit ton of aftermarket parts.

I also said the AK is both over and underrated, don't see any reason to be more specific there.

>>324166

>fedora wearing neckbeard

Fuck you OP, we know you wrote this shitty article

>>325282

Don't forget a grip angle that's absolute shit.

>>325378

>grab gun

>aim quickly

>a few mm bellow from properly aligning the sights

EVERY FUCKING TIME.

Like 4 degrees more away from the 90° angle it would probably be right. At least with the gen 3 you need to shove your thumb web far up in order to get natural proper alignment.

>>325280

>I have nothing to actually say against his post but it triggered me real bad.

>I know I'll call him a fudd.

How cute.

>>325469

I don't negotiate with terrorists.

>>325479

>Are you really too weak to hold 10-11 pounds?

I don't think most people have trouble holding a ~11 pound rifle, it's just that constant weight you need to lug around when you aren't using it that gets to you.

>You can say the exact same about the haters

Absolutely.

>>325489

>>325053

Alrighty, I weighed mine. These are unloaded no mag, I'm assuming magazines are close enough for any 7.62 rifle to not matter.

Plain jane M1A with GI fiberglass stock and web sling, 9.4 lb.

M1A with stainless match barrel, synthetic stock (black crinkle are just old GI spruced up by springfield? not bedded) a synthetic Turner sling, 10.2 lbs

Some fal guys want to weigh in?

>>325489

>I don't negotiate with terrorists.

Simply ebin.

>not liking M14 derivatives

SOCOM 16 would like a word with you

>>325947

Anyone?

>>326671

they really suck, it's like putting a 10x scope on an sks or muzzlebrake on a .22 for let's take a design and make it worse

>>326904

Imbel with sling and empty 20rnd mag: 9.8 Lbs

>>326904

>not wanting a CQB M1A throwing .308 Winchesters at the motherfucker who dares try to break into your house

>>326957

>thinking I need a shorter barrel and extra bling for that

>thinking I'm not just as likely to use AP, birdshot, 22lr, or a sharp brass paperweight

>his entire argument against the XD is that he doesn't like Croatia and that it's simultaneously too expensive AND for poor people

How is the XD overrated? It's got third billing in a two man show. And, why is the luger even on the list? It's the nogunz naziboos's favorite pistol, but I know of next to no one who has ever owned a gun that thinks it's any better than other handguns; it's cool looking, and interesting, and fairly rare, but not really a great gun aside from those things.

My list:

>AR and derivatives

>AK and derivatives (tied for first)

>1911

>Glock (tied for third)

I can't really think of #5. Even without getting into CoD kiddies and Hollywood drones loving random obscure firearms because they were featured in an FPS or an action movie once, it's kind of tricky. Probably one of the big three western battle rifles, SVD, MP5, or the ultra-modern plastic wondergun of the week (or the previous ones). There are so many options that picking just one is hard.

>>324183

I hate the article but you are retarded, nigger.

>>325479

> Muh haters

Go back to your YouTube comment section you nigger.

>>327727

My grandfather says that when he had a Luger it was quite accurate and easy to aim. He still prefers the Walther P38 over it.

>>330714

ARGENTEENA ES WHIIIITE

>>327727

>it's cool looking, and interesting, and fairly rare

I think you just perfectly described the only reasons anybody would want that pistol (excluding naziboos, idiots, and idiot naziboos - vid related).

Although I'd argue that the Mauser C96 is cooler looking, more interesting, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was rarer.

>>330714

> Muh haters

> USA

> In charge of calling out people on being white

>>330840

Not to mention, it was the handgun that won the Eastern 2nd world war! If you count a victory as getting singlehandedly curbstomped by Japan until the US had to save your ass