/k/ - Weapons

>>325106

./co/

goddammit Im a retard, I just got done shitposting over there so im kind of running on autopilot

An integrally suppressed bullpup pistol.

>>325134

What would a bullpup pistol even be? Normal pistols already have the trigger in front of the magwell

>>325136

Considering how normal pistols already have their magazine behind the trigger, aren't most pistols bullpup by definition?

>>325154

>>325136

>>325153

http://www.bobergarms.com/

>>325153

According to your wiki link, the Russians made 23 and 30 mm Gast guns. This means we could possibly make a 40 mm grenade launching variant. Imagine having one of those on the roof of a technical, taking back the Holy Land in the name of the /k/ube. Glorious.

>>325158

That entire system just looks like some balding, chubby guy trying to justify his overpriced engineering degree. We've reached the pinnacle of firearms technology, which is why every pistol released within the last 30 years is the exact same matte black "gun" with slight variations in size, materials, and quality control.

>>325164

>That entire system just looks like some balding, chubby guy trying to justify his overpriced engineering degree.

I agree, from what I have read the reliability is suspect.

>We've reached the pinnacle of firearms technology,

Tip top kek. Firearms technology goes through periods of growth followed by long periods of stagnation. Look at how long we used flint locks for.

>>325164

We're far from reaching the height of small arms design. Nothing has changed in 50 years because there's been no motivation for change. In 1968 the US government decided that all future small arms development would come from the private sector, not realizing that the private sector doesn't give a shit about making big advancements in the name of science. The private sector cares about bottom lines, about number of units shipped at a cost of (x) per unit. They don't want advencement! They don't care if we could be using caseless ammo! It gives them nothing in the short-term! They care about how much profit they can squeeze out of a single product. The future of firearms has been put on indefinite hold while the industry keeps churning out incremental upgrades.

R&D is expensive and runs at a huge loss until it hits a breakthrough. Even if it did hit a breakthrough, you'd need to be able to convince an ammo manufacturer to retool and upgrade a production line to make your new ammo. Ammo manufacturers won't make caseless ammo if there are no guns to shoot it, gun manufacturers won't make caseless guns without ammo to feed it. It's chicken and egg, Catch-22 bullshit.

Maybe the army will go back to making their own firearms one day. Maybe then we'll get some new shit.

>>325132

>Caseless handgun that fires two bullets at a time, loading a cartridge on both forward and backward motion of the bolt

How would that work? Would one cartridge be in front of the other?

>>325154

No.

>>325158

This isn't a bullpup either. I explained this in the pistols thread a couple weeks ago, but apparently nobody reads.

Shoulder fired 50mm cannons. Warheads would comprise of HE-Frag, HEAT, and Sabot.

>>325257

>Shoulder fired 50mm cannons

Almost there.

Portable railguns.

I want to perfect the art of overkill without using nukes.

>>325170

It woukd be like a combination closed and open bolt, sort of. First shot is pushed forward into the chamber when the slide racks forward, fires like normal, then the recoil carries the bolt back over the magwell, where a hook-thing grabs another cartridge and slams it against the firing pin(maybe a second one) The pin and would have to be some astral sorcery to strike twice but I dont think it would be impossible. Ill do a diagram when i get home.

>>325304

I'm thinking you could have a two stage type system for the thing. Bolt has two firing pins and a mechanical toggle that compresses under recoil of the first shot, sliding it back and allowing the second round to feed, locking up, firing, and the entire bolt/sub-bolt assembly moves as one piece to the open position to begin the process again.

Although, if you're already using caseless ammo you don't really need a bolt if you have an electronic primer. You just need a small sliding trapdoor to temporarily seal off the magazine. Doesn't take much force to slide a little piece of steel over a cartridge. Hell, you could do away with the entire thing if the rounds are only capable of igniting through electronic means. Just have to have a seal around the mag, who cares if a little gas vents into your ammo? Make feeding a lot faster, too. Fires as fast as it can feed and if you're feeling clever you could probably make a forced feeding method using pneumatics or a solenoid or something.

>>325169

Are you retarded? No, seriously what the fuck are you even talking about? The military has always contracted their guns through the private sector. Colt is a private company, Browning is a private company, Barret is a private company, Savage is a private company, Auto Ordinance is a private company, Ithica is a private company, Mossberg is a private company.

The only thing that was government owned was Springfield Armory and the only thing they were able to do was always be behind all other county's on earth in the small arms game. They made the Krag-Jorgenson which was a complete disaster compared to the Mauser (a private company) and when it was time for them to make a gun that didn't suck ass they copied Mauser so much that they had to pay them a royalty fee for copying everything they did. The Garand happened and that thing ate its own op rod every day so they had to change it and made the M14 which was worse than FN's (a private company) FAL and H&K's (a private company) G3. They were finally broken up and disbanded because Armalite and Colt (private company's) made a gun that was so revolutionary that it made those government fuckwads commit suicide.

>>325393

And you could say that you want to launch raw materials to space cheaply. Which also means that you can shoot down satellites.

>>325394

Its mere existance could actually be a neat deterrent because you have the power to fuck absolutely every single country in the ass by causing massive damage to the satellite network and any satellites people may consider launching in the future.

Maybe some sort of underbarrel anti-armor attachment for a rifle. We've got the anti-infantry down with the grenade launchers, but I could see the anti-armor being incredibly useful.

I'd have to fire some sort of projectile that'd puncture the armor (not the front, you'd need to flank the tank/apc for it to be effective) and disable the vehicle. Dunno if it'd want to go for killing the crew or frying the systems.

Just some way for every infantryman in the squad to be able to take on armor at once, instead of waiting around for the schmuck carting around the AT7 to take a shot.

I just want a gas operated p90 style loading rifle in a intermediate caliber bigger then 5.7x28

>a falling block action rifle in modern day assault and battle rifle calibers (particularly 5.45x39mm)

>14 gauge shotguns for every action (especially full auto)

>A single-action caplock revolver chambered for .500 S&W.

>>325257

Remember MBT LAW? It's 152mm warhead.

I bet if we're willing to go recoilless and sacrifice a bit of range, we could go 150mm HE if we wanted.

Imagine pocket artillery for every infantry squad.

Prior procedure:

>commander someone is firing on us from that building!

>call in an airstrike

>*wait 20 minutes*

After Big Fucking Gun is introduced

>commander someone is firing on us from that building!

>open fire

>*building demolished*

A modern, DA/SA pistol like the CZ-75 or HK USP, but chambered for 7.62x25mm. I want one so bad.

A bolt-action, pistol-caliber carbine like the old Destroy carbine, available in different calibers and using common pistol magazines.

A semi-automatic carbine that uses magazines for either the Desert Eagle or Wildey, depending on caliber, available in .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, .50AE, .44 Automag, .45 Win Mag, and .475 Wildey Magnum.

A howdah pistol, side-by-side barrels, in .500 Magnum with twin triggers.

A modern Martini-Henry chambered for a new, smokeless version of .577-450, .45-70, .303 British, 7.62x54r, .30-30, 35 Remington, .405 Winchester, .577 Snider, and .375 Holland and Holland.

A target pistol similar to the Ruger MkIII, but chambered for .22 Hornet.

A .22LR beehive round for a 26.5mm flare gun.

A 10-gauge, pump-action, combat shotgun similar to the Kel-Tec KSG, with proper 00 buckshot and slug loads.

A modern pocket pistol chambered for .25ACP that isn't a shitty nigger gun.

I want a squid launcher. think a revolving grenade launcher with clear plastic tube tanks filled with live squids in water. The base of the tank has a rubber plug to push the water and squid evenly, leaving the victim drenched and slapped with live calamari.

Full auto double barrel bullpup shotgun that is mag fed.

barrels 1 on top of the other, much like the ghast gun other people described, but at intentionally different rates and with different loads.

Bottom shoots birdshot very very fast, top shoots buckshot slower.

I also really want a revolver with a slide. something like a gasblowback with a "drum" magazine that rotates because the bolt moves it, if that's easier to imagine.

It's very literally a retarded idea based on a nerf gun.

>>325106

/cok/eheads

>>325504

You'd have to register as either an SBS or an AOW, I forget which. There's laws concerning caliber of a pistol and it basically ensures that you can't have a shotgun pistol. I recall Taurus wanting to make a 28-gauge version of the Judge in the mid 00s, but were stopped by the ATF.

>>325416

1. P90 is a carbine not a pistol

2. That Vector is sick as fuck

>>325594

>Taurus wanting to make a 28-gauge version of the Judge in the mid 00s, but were stopped by the ATF.

Hate to say it but the ATF probably saved some lives there

>>325620

>saved some lives

Or at least some wrists.

>>325594

Any Other Weapon, smoothbore pistol. $200 tax stamp to manufacture, $5 to transfer, if I recall correctly.

And the Judge gets a pass because it's first, rifled, second, legally chambered in .45 Colt, the fact that it can by consequence also fire .410 shotshells being a "happy coincidence", right?

>>325628

so if someone were to make a rifled 12 gauge pistol because just fuck my wrists up fam it would probably fall under Destructive Device, as it would not get the "sporting purpose" exemption shotguns get, yeah?

>>325634

Use a straight pull bolt, but make the exhaust gas unlock the locking lugs and push the bolt back, which extracts the spent casing. It'll probably have to be delayed blowback, and you'll still have to close the bolt to chamber another round, but it'll be much less complicated and significantly faster.

>>325634

That sounds like something that would jam constantly.

>>325164

While I agree it is way too over engineered to be of much use, the idea that you could have a longer, stationary barrel is pretty damn neat

>>325775

>>325416

Could you not mount the toggle lock at an angle to achieve the desired Vectoresque shape and slightly shorten the gun?

>>325820

Feeding from a belt would also fix the problem, but a lewis gun style pan would also work well.

>>325832

I meant the rest of the gun as well (as it seems to be the only SMG with the needed feed system)

A belt fed submachine gun sounds really silly and of questionable use too.

>>325106

power armor with a short range shoulder mounted 120mm smoothbore.

>>325839

I mean, extra ammo would probably be easier to carry on belts than those weird pan mags. You could also do something like a 10/22 rotary mag thing.

>>325580

Yes, with a firing pin that works more like a P2000 or maybe striker fired, and the drum staying fixed, mostly.

>>325775

That would smash the fuck out of your knuckles, man.

>>325614

I think you misread his post. Clarified:

>Basically, I want a pistol that's top fed, in a manner similar to a P90 or something.

>>326103

>nazi Germany

>best of both worlds.

Let me tell you about Luftwaffe acquisition during WW2.

>>326104

I mean just for arms manufacturing bb, if you regulate a free market but not enough to piss off retards you sometimes hit gold

>>326126

You mean a machine pistol?

>>326132

No, a weapon that is specifically designed as SMG.

Although the line between those is blurred to shit

>>326133

I don't see what's the difference between your proposal and, say, a MAC-10.

Althogh K.u.K. army made this in full auto too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_M1912

>>325775

Do want

A P90 with a 22-26 inch barrel, chambered in 7.62x51/.308, and with a bipod mount.

A quad-barrel 10g shotgun.

A belt-fed 20mm machine gun.

>>326103

The gewehr 98 was already a thing long before the nazis took control of Germany. The MG34 was a thing before the nazis took control of Germany. The MG-42 fired way too fast to be of any practical use and the MP-40 was inferior to the Thompson and M3-grease gun (made by private company's) the STG and gewehr 43 suffered with typical kraut over-engineering that the wonderful nazi oversight failed to fix or keep in check. The nazis also asked for things like the fucking Maus and E-100 so yeah. Nice attempt at moving the goal posts, but the private sector is the best thing that ever happened to the weapons industry.

fuck hotwheels fix your shit

>>326290

>A P90 with a 22-26 inch barrel, chambered in 7.62x51/.308, and with a bipod mount.

Why would you want a gun that's over 3" wide?

>>325395

And nearly two weeks later I've realized that you could mount a smaller version in a tank's chassis (obviously the solenoid would be wider than the chassis, and the whole thing would be in an armoured compartment), mount a huge generator on an other one, and the ammo with a crane on a third one, and use this for long range bombardment. Or even AA against strategic bombers.

I don't say it's a very useful thing every brigade needs in numbers, but a few of them could be useful to destroy enemy bridges and similar things.

>>326319

>the MP-40 was inferior to the Thompson

>a submachinegun that's literally heavier than your fucking service rifle being superior to anything

>gewehr 43 suffered with typical kraut over-engineering

Inspired heavily by Soviet over-engineering?

K/G43 suffered from over gassing and being a stopgap solution.

>>332351

>>332334

This actually brings something up, why did side magazines fall out of favor?

>>332356

Balance issues for one and two they bump on shit.

>>332358

Yeah, that makes sense I guess.

>>332411

The song you are referring to is actually called "Fortunate son" you fucking meming faggot

A full-auto belt-fed revolver that uses the high-speed rotation of the firing mechanism as a stabilizing gyroscope.

An AK-style rifle chambered 45-70 Gvt.

>>325260

Any idea what size she'll that was?

>>332455

It aint me

>>333113

ill only accept it if that shotchine gun uses slugs and can fit 200 or more rounds even though I still think bulpups are gay

>>325394

Make a Sabot that surrounds crafts. send the sabot into space where it comes apart with the craft or satellite inside. Use the shit tons of shuttles now in space to make a shipyard. Make bigger ships on shipyard.

a handgun and a PDW that can only function when they're held sideways.

A bullpup assault rifle that has an absurdly long stock and is meant to be held with one hand, elbows locked, and braced against the shoulder to make holding two of those guns akimbo easier.

A double-barrelled rifle or cape gun with a rolling block action. Two triggers and two levers.

A forward-magazine pistol that has a functional claw hammer head on the bottom of the grip that can be removed to reveal a little compartment for storing gum (and if you bought a pink one: it comes with a free sample of Chanel lipstick inside).

>>333351

Electrolasers would do the job- besides the obvious battery problems it'd work. All you need is a short pulsed laser to ionize an air channel which leads to the intended target, and then send a strong current trough said ionized air.

>>332455

It's called "Some Folks Were Born" you goddamn dipshit.

The Zorg ZF-1.

>>333394

>carve the shipyard into an asteroid instead of building it next to Earth

>build a fleet of ships, all of them with a gigantic version of the solenoid gun

>park them around Earth

>win the race to space

>colonize our solar system

>then start to expand towards other stars

If only I was the king of Hungary…

A four barreled 8 gauge shotgun. It'll have two triggers. Each trigger fires off two barrels. It also has a fuckhuge axa/machete bayonet.

A flamethrower with a machine gun attached to it.

Any of the guns/melee weapons from rwby. Just to see if they can be made.

A select-fire rocket launcher with a large box for rockets.

>>336669

I have to ask are there any pretenders to the throne of the magyars?

>>336670

alot of the weapons of rwby are feasible but most would be unsafe or unreliable without some changes. The glocksword saipistols and foldingshield are easiest. But the glocksword as it was in the show would by unaimable with the blocked sights the angled grip would fuck up balance making it unwieldly to swing around never to mention ejection issues but easily doable if your so inclined maybe even less shitty if you tweak it a bit. the crossbow and revolver swords would look different to be usable but could use relatively simple mechanisms yangs gauntlets have a shitty real world counter part search up ballistic fist on forgotten weapons but would be unsafe as fuck with low pressure due to a short or lack of barrel