/k/ - Weapons

>>326986

What do you want?

Step 1: don't be a poorfag

Step 2: buy everything

>>326987

I want it all, sexy man. I want rifles for longer range, shotguns, pistols, gear like in the pic would be cool as well if not 100% practical. I don't know if it's even possible to get a cheap assault rifle that isn't a pile of shit but if you could find that then great.

Most hobbies are really expensive. I was into R/C planes for awhile and holy cow I spent a hell of a lot of money on them.

>>326991

You're not going to see gear for $100, like in the past.

>Head

You can still get the Stahlhelm for $32 art Keepshooting, they've got decent ballistic protection, but ballistic protection is a personal assessment.

Personally, I'll be running a ballcap or bump helmet, depending on situational needs. Have to have something to mount NOD and other accessories to.

Alternatively, you could order or scourge around for a DH-132B or DH-132AS and make a conversion to a FAST-style helmet.

>Armor

The splitterschutzweste vest has reached the apex of it's pricing, even Keepshooting has them at $80 and they're out of stock. If you want body armor, get some AR500, it's more expensive but, you're looking at LIII, rather than just LIIA.

Alternatively, you could hit up local surplus or hunt eBay for use PASGT or other soft armor.

AR500 + Urban Go Carrier ($200). I just got a Condor Sentry and curved AR500 plates for $161 from a vendor.

>Commo

Motarola FRS ($40-$80)

Midland FRS/GMRS ($20-$40)

Baofeng UV-5R/BF-888 ($40/$20)

Yaesu ($80-$120)

>Longarms

Vz.2008 ($400-$550)

SKS ($270-$400)

Mil-Spec Build AR15 ($500-$600)

Pardner Pump/Mavrick 88 ($200)

Cheap/Used Commercial Rifles ($250-$400)

Mosin ($180-$300)

You can piece together a decent kit, but you've got to look around for deals.

>>327015

>You can still get the Stahlhelm for $32 art Keepshooting, they've got decent ballistic protection, but ballistic protection is a personal assessment.

I've seen other helmets there, aren't those as useful as the East German Stahlhelms?

>>326986

Plinking and training gun:

Marlin Model 60: $175

or Ruger 10/22: $235

You want a good semi-auto .22 and the 60 and 10/22 are good enough, and also some of the cheapest.

Don't have any links because those are my local gun store prices.

Shotgun:

Interstate Arms Hawk 982: $190

https://www.classicfirearms.com/hawk-12-ga-978-pump-3inch-black-poly

Chinese Remington 870 knockoff, but with better build quality and lower price

Pistol:

Hi-Point C9: $170

Cheap low capacity 9mm pistol. Built like a truck, no questions asked repair policy if you do manage to break it (somehow). Doesn't feed low power rounds that well because of the heavy slide.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Hi-Point-Semiautomatic-Centerfire-Pistols/753245.uts

Salt Rifle:

AKM build: $500

Kalashnikov is fine. Build from parts, so easy peasant can do it. Most expensive of the lot simply because you can't get a cheap battle rifle.

https://www.classicfirearms.com/polish-ak47-parts-kit-w-barrel

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-accessories/ak47-receiver-childers-detail.html?Itemid=0

or SKS: $430

Grab SKS, go innawoods. This is on the list because I like strippers and live in Maryland

https://www.classicfirearms.com/yugo-sks-semi-auto-excellent

Distance rifle:

Type 53 Carbine: $190 ($150 if you don't want the stock)

Chinese nugget copy. Ugly as fuck, but still shoots 7.62x54R

http://www.gunbroker.com/Bolt-Action-Rifles/BI.aspx?BuyNowOnly=1&Sort=4&Tab=2&ca=5000178

I don't do plates or helmets so don't ask me.

Bear in mind for all of these that you're not going to get top quality for cheap prices.

Walkie-talkies go to eBay

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Walkie-Talkies-TwoWay-Radios-/20381/i.html

Leatherman Wingman is a good multitool

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=wingman%20leatherman&_dcat=75236&rt=nc&Brand=Leatherman&Type=Multi%252DTools

>>327015

>>327049

this is pretty much exactly what I was looking for. thanks m80s

>>327012

but why

>>326991

>assault rifle

Assault rifles are full-auto by definition. Liberals want to redefine the word to mean black and scary; don't help them.

>>327054

>but why

It's not so much that hobbies are expensive as most other things are hilariously cheap. Economies of scale and globalisation have made most of what we buy far, far cheaper (and crappier) than it has any right to be.

Hobbies are largely exempt from the effect because the markets are relatively small and the people who pursue them tend to need or want far better quality than most consumer goods involve.

Guns suffer from both factors. On the economies of scale side there's the fact that most countries aren't large consumers thanks to oppressive laws, as well as different models of guns having few to no interchangeable parts. With quality there's the fact that even what we think of as very low quality guns have to be far better quality than most of what we buy just in order to be safe to operate. Just think about the difference in QC. A, say, cell phone manufacturer doesn't greatly care if one in every hundred phones bricks itself within a month of sale and needs a warranty replacement. Whereas it would be unthinkable for a gun manufacturer to have one in every hundred units suffer a catastrophic failure within the first five hundred rounds (or ever, really).

>>327099

sorry. my gun knowledge is practically nothing limited due to only owning a couple of guns that my dad gave me.

>>327099

>Assault Rifles are black and scary

So , by definition, should we call giga niggas "Assualt Human Beans"?

>>326986

LA police gear has some nice pants that are cheap and rugged. 20 bucks I think.

Mechanix has cheap but good gloves.

I'd never save on boots, get hiking or jungle boots depending on your climate. Your feet carry you everywhere, make sure you give them high quality gear (expect to spend 200 bucks).

Socks, I'd go with wool. Army surplus, wear two over each other if it's cold. In summer, thin wool. No cotton.

Knives: Mora, FM-78, etc. Cheap (10-20$) but very sturdy for what they are. Check the deal from bahco, they offer a folding saw and mora for like 20$ together, it's a steal.

Belts, LBE, etc. get whatever you need, cheap surplus is abundant AFAIK. But not that comfortable.

Jackets… condor softshell is 80$ but good quality. You can spend more and get more, but so far the Condor apparel seems to surpass they tacticool pouches, which are shit quality as I heard.

Ballistic PPE doesn't really come cheap and I'd avoid saving on that. AR500 offers good shit, even up to lvl IV for a low price point. That would be your best bet if you really have no money on hand.

Backpacks… for big size, there is Berghaus Atlas, 150 bucks for 120l pack. Other "tacticool" packs cost 400+ and weigh double of it. Sturdy and cheap.

As for guns, I'd stick to .22 rifles I guess. Cheap and light ammo, plus a Ruger 10-22 can be upgraded over time with tons of shit but is fairly cheap itself.

>>327264

As for outdoor gear…

Insulation pads, get a Thermarest Ridgerest, they have an aluminium surface that reflects body heat back to you, it's a blessing.

Sleeping bags… get a cheap summer one for hot climate or a Grand Canyon Fairbanks 190 for colder/all year round climate. I got mine for years now, no wear, always treated him well. 30$

Tent? Tarp? Hammock?

I prefer a tarp and a hammock. Warbonnet, Hennessy, Clark… there are a lot of manufacturers. Don't be fooled, you don't have to spend 500$ for a good hammock. They're all made of the same material and after the same patterns, they will hold you safely anyways. It's more about extra gadgets in the higher end spectrum. A simple Warbonnet hammock and a small tarp should suffice.

As for hygiene, get wet wipes. A blessing. Also some skin lotion or just take coconut fat, the good kind for a few bucks more. You can eat it, cook with it and care for skin and hair, plus it helps with body odor. You don't want to ignore your body hygiene outdoors, for health reasons alone.

Cutlery, cooking ware… get cheap stainless steel cup and army cutlery. My Bundeswehr cutlery is from 1960, 1962, 1963 and 1966 respectively, all thrown together from different manufacturers. This stuff is a bit heavier than a spork, but it will work well for you. But, you can actually make forks and spoons of wood so if you want to save on this, do so.

Rain gear, get an army poncho. If you want ULTRA cheap, go with trash bags. Not even joking. The big black ones (you cuck), make three cuts into them at the bottom end and you have a torso fitted one. Other cut and you can wear them like those east european NBC ponchos lol. Those also work as rain gear but are bulkier. Plus trash bags are like what, 1,50$ for 20? Can't beat that. Also usable as a tarp, ground mat, etc.

Water filters… Sawyer has cheap ones, that are light and work well. You don't want to cook every time you need clean water and you also don't want to get nasty shit in your water that makes you shit water.

Buy hi-point c9, seems absurdly cheap by what I see and you have the ability to carry it in most states. If you can only afford one gun, buy a 9mm and buy a lee loader kit in 9mm so that you can still shoot despite being broke.

For a cheaper polymer 9mm pistol you could go with a used Ruger SR9C, their magazines are usually 2-for-1 deals of $27 and they're thinner and lighter than Glocks/Hi-points but as per Ruger they come with shitty safety features like the thumb safety and the removable magazine disconnect.

>>329651

III+. Seems that III+ will stop everything you need to worry about.

Spend the extra to get it curved, flat is uncomfortable as fuck.

>>326986

>stahlhelm

Huh, this image made me look up steel vs polymer helmets.

Most steel helmets weigh roughly the same, quite a few are actually lighter than most modern plastic helmets.

Steel helmets have similar, if not better ballistic protection.

Steel helmets can be used as an entrenching tool, cooking pot or water container.

Seems like plastic pots are just cheaper to mass produce. Looks like I'm gunna get some slavshit steel pot instead of a nylon or kevlar one like I was originally planning.

>>329771

Level III will protect you against 44cal so it should do fine. I think 5.56 would pierce it through.

>>326991

Skim shit from gun buyback programs. There's practically nothing the cops can do to you unless you live in the POZ zone.

If you do it, run the serials with the county sheriff's office. LEAs are don't record misses and getting caught with stolen property is risking a felony charge.

>>329946

Youre thinking of 3a, and yes almost every center fire long gun round will penetrate it.

>>329946

Wut? I've seen III survive anything up to standard 7.62x51 FMJ. The first round that'll penetrate it is either 7.62 AP or .30-06.

III+ Is similar to II, but will stop 7.62 AP and .30.06 AP iirc.

I'd sty away from steel helmets. You can find MICH and old PASGTs on ebay for like $100-200

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxwvDLdnYG4

>>330564

I'm actually lead to believe that the Raven MP-25 is a surprisingly accurate and reliable handgun, especially for what it is. I wouldn't mind having a couple of them in ankle holsters.

>>330564

Someone in the thread recommended the Hawk 982, it's made by Norinco in China. It is also an 870 clone but the drawbacks is that it can be slightly heavier, it isn't an exact 870 clone as aftermarket pump handles may need to be fitted and there's dimples on the end of the tube so putting an extension tube can take a bit of work.

A drawback to Chinese guns in general is that a faulty one is one you're going to be stuck with it. Maverick 88s can come in 5+1 shot 18.5 inch barrel varieties too. Otherwise I'd agree with the shotgun chart.

>>330393

Yeah, if I recall zippy rounds may pierce steel plates. But yeah, III+ is just a step below level IV ceramic. IIIA is a step below normal III because it's rated for pistols.

>>330550

The video you posted shows exactly why surplus steel helmets are popular…they stop nearly the same threats modern helmets do.

There isn't a helmet in existence that's affordable and light enough that is capable of stopping rifle rounds.

>>330564

>entire nugget desc in russian

you motherfucker

>>330564

your first pic sucks buddy…unreadable even after expansion…you need a higher res pic if your trying to cram that much crap into it.

or chop it into 2 pics.

>>331373

You might need to get your eyes checked.

>>334053

Also, I'm trying to make it more, ahem, "tasteful" so normies spread it around without getting triggered or accused of rassism.

>>334087

Some of the more gratuitous jew and nigger shit without a real payoff could stand to go, although that 3 AM prayer group line is too good not to keep.

>>334053

Thank you very much Strelok!

>>329651

III or III+. Be patient. AR500 is always back ordered but it will show up eventually. The thing to worry about with steel plates is spall. The extra buildup for spall protection is highly recommended.

alternatively there is this: https://armour-wear.com/shop/all/hard-plates/ar680-steel-plate/

If you're really poor and still want armor this is for you maybe buy some truck bed liner and give it an extra coat yourself http://shieldwallarms.com/shop/body-armor?category=Body+Armor

I think i'm going to get level IV because why not

Sure it will weigh a bit more but that just means I should train in it more

>>334187

Fucking phone

>>329651

>>334181

Could AR500 steel be used for headgear? I know heat weakens the steel, but it could be bend or something?

>>334203

That would be too heavy to be practical IMO. But if you insist, your bets bet is to place them at an angle to deflect rounds. Even then your shits gonna get rocked so hard you better have buddies to drag you out of the line of fire and give first aid for a concussion. Maybe get ar680 plates and plasma cut them into pieces that can be affixed to a heavilypadded bump helmet.

Is M&P15 still the budget AR15 of choice?

>>334371

A budget AR is built piece by piece.

A budget AR in the loosest sense of the word, while having basic features and reliability, is the M&P15m yes.

>>334392

What's a good budget build for an AR?

>>334393

Brand names aren't as important as retailers want you to think.

Polymer lowers are cheaper but less durable - don't sit on them, throw them, or otherwise bend them and it will be fine - and are all over the place.

Aluminum lowers are more desirable but a bit more expensive.

Functionally there is no difference.

A cheap parts kit for your lower can be around $80. Polymer or plastic bits can be worn down over time, so for the sear, hammer, and trigger you should consider getting metal replacements after a while.

Nothing really matters all that much unless you're going for a specific look or going for ballistic perfection. As an example, the forward assist on the upper doesn't really help - and people know this - but they bitch about not having one.

The market is so incredibly saturated that it's all up to you, but you should always look at reviews. Take the good with a grain of salt, look for common problems, and go with what you feel most comfortable with.

Buying cheap gets you a cheap gun, but it can still take 30 round magazines and fire somewhat accurately in the direction you aim.

>>334393

>>334393

As he said. More or less, everything in the lower price ranges will be mostly the same. If you try hard, you can probably build an AR for 300-400.

Again, you don't see amazing performance in that price range, but it'll shoot straight enough to hit things in realistic ranges and be reliable to function as long as you don't rub it in mud or try having a fire fight in a sand storm. To get quality accuracy and durability you're then looking at like 800 or more.

>>334450

What's the difference between quality and durability?

>>334641

Quality = well-made

Durability = long-lasting

A "quality" product often necessitates that its durable, but a durable product doesn't mean it's quality. For example, you can sell a flat hunk of iron with rebar sticking off of it as a shovel. As you can imagine, this would be a very durable shovel, but not one of high quality. A quality shovel would need to be both durable AND easy to use.

>>334641

Durability is how tough something is quality is how well made it is.

Generally speaking in the gun world anything that is quality will also be durable buy many things are very durable even if not particularly well made e.g. slavshit

>>334371

>Is M&P15 still the budget AR15 of choice?

If you're a rank beginner it really is. The new M&P15 II version has the added features people have been griping about, notably the lack of forward assist and dust cover.

>>334853

>The new M&P15 II version has the added features people have been griping about, notably the lack of forward assist and dust cover.

I thought the M&P15 was made as an entry level AR15 with no frills and very bare bones. Not ideal but good enough till you figure out what you want out of your AR15.

>>334053

The shotgun chart is shaping up nicely, good job Strelok.

>>334704

And how do you determine top of the line quality if brand names aren't important?

>>330564

>PPS-43

my absolute nigger

>>334945

Cause the brand does matter, but when going as cheap as possible, it really doesn't, cause it's really hard to fuck up parts. A lot of AR failures are from sloppy put together.

At the mid to high tier rifles, there are names, and they do matter, even in parts there are brands to look to or avoid. Bravo makes great rifles and parts, but you wanted a poor man's rifle, not a 900 dollar rifle that will probably survive longer than you even if treated it poorly.

A company to avoid is some shit I read about and thought might have been started by a /k/ommando cause of the name. Claimed it was a maker of quality stuff. Then I tried looking into history and found stories about people buying 2,000 rifles, taking them to a range and having a major failure after 2 mags. Claimed the company would fix it and tell them not to talk about it cause it must have been a fluke cause it never happens before they take it to the range for it to happen after another couple of mags.

Yes, there are good companies, but at the bottom of the barrel they're almost all the same

>>335262

>$2,000

I also can't find the website anymore, hopefully they crashed.

>>335262

And what's a good 900 rifle build?

>>335271

Like I mentioned, I think Bravo company is 900, probably is if you go without their expensive keymod rails which are over 200. Quality gun, smooth reliable operation and durable. It's accurate, but not competition accurate

>>334053

Who is Cerberus?

>>335831

The three headed dog that guards Hades.

In business, it's a massive equity firm with involvement in…everything. Legally it's the holdings company "Freedom Group" that owns them, but Cerberus owns Freedom Group…who in turn owns AAC, Barnes, Bushmaster, Dakota Arms, DPMS, H & R, Para, Parker

Remington, and Tapco.

>>335831

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerberus_Capital_Management

The important bit:

>Cerberus made plans to sell its share in the Freedom Group on December 18, 2012, after the Bushmaster AR-15 was used in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting.

>>330564

>look at PPS-43

>lolwat

>read up on it

>see the full auto version

>dick is diamonds

>realize full auto isn't legal in the state fuck your multiple thousand dollar permits that take half a year or better to obtain

>realize you'd still have to get a permit to have a god damn stock on it

>remember 7.62x25 isn't cheap anymore

Thanks for getting my hopes up faggot

>>335930

Iirc flashlights can be used to stun intruders with the light. You keep searching the area stealthily, and when you have found the target and you're positive of it, you just turn on the light and stun him, THEN you can off him. If you're using a Maglite, it can be used as blunt weapon, too.

>>335936

but why stun him if you have the element of surprise anyways?

>>335930

>>335936

>>335953

If anything, a flashlight would aid in positive ID before firing, in case it's a family member getting a drink of water or coming in late.

>>335956

don't think a flashlight is necessary for that

>ways to positively I.D. a target as family or foe

>if after looting the fridge and cabinets they then proceed to exit your home through the whole they made, it's a hostile

>if they instead return to their room, they're family

>if they are carrying alcohol in one hand and pills in the other, yell at them fire, if they do not respond in a timely or coherent manner call the cops they're harmless.

>>335963

uhhhm….

>assuming you have the drop on them

>>327122

Well, they sure end up on alot of assault charges, now don't they?

>>335967

>I will always be better than my opponent on so tactics not needed

I'm just saying that it's better to be doing both than just assuming you can coast by on a better working knowledge of the inside of the house. That's no bueno.