/k/ - Weapons

Not really unless you really, really want a waffle mag. AR mags are just easier to get.

Kind of a trash gun.

Austria should have just adopted an AR-15 and called it a day.

>>328534

I hear is da bess bullpup.

Take that with a word of salt, though, since I hate bullpups and don't plan to get one. MSBS gets a pass because it comes as a carbine first, although it sounds like it's fat as shit.

The quick change barrel feature is certainly interesting on the AUG.

I would pick one up if I was a collector, though.

I heard AUG mags are some of the best that exist, but I couldn't tell you why.

So supposedly the NATO stocks which take AR mags are right hand only, so I guess I'm going to have to go with the original stock with Steyr mags. Sometimes it sucks being left handed.

If it makes you feel any better I know a ex Recon Marine who shoots a ton in his spare time loves his AUG and it's his "main" rifle. I have held it, more balanced than a Tavor in my opinion.

I would agree the RDB looks very promising, but I think it should really become more available over time, I'm not even sure if its actually released yet.

>>328961

Too bad Radom got FUCKED by the ATF, at shot show they said all were models were denied by the ATF expect for some shitty .22 no one cares about.

My friend got one, and he really likes it. It is pretty interesting to shoot, and gets lots of attention at the range. He got the waffle mags because he bought it straight from Steyr and is kind of not good with his money.

They are fantastic magazines though, and surprisingly are readily available. We found some at my LGS, actually.

>>328971

Why you gotta ruin my day. Hopefully Trump fixes this travesty.

>>329000

>Your option is shit

Where is your alternative? Provide one, or shut the fuck up.

I will concede that he hasn't said anything of substance. Lots of empty words.

It might be more of the same shit but the media blitz against him has me thinking otherwise.

>>329004

Ted Cruz with Rand Paul as VP.

>>329004

The solution is Agorism/Libertarianism and refusing to cave to the "lesser of two evils" shit that has gotten us where we are now.

If anything his shit is a revitalizing of the populist movement, look it up, you don't want it. That is if you actually enjoy freedom.

Media is just butt blasted because he says whatever he wants and the GOP is panicking because he will be the death of the party.

>>329006

Look up his views on weapons, all over the place the last 20 years, we know for a fact Hillary is a vindictive anti-gun cunt. So at least she is a known variable, unknown variables are equally as scary as shitty known ones.

>>329012

>baseless memes

>this obviously means my political opinion is golden and infallible

You're a nigger.

>>329018

Do you mean to respond to me? I don't advocate for voting for ANYONE related to the two main parties.

>I'll take a politician who's changed his views in past years

Why the fuck would you do that, because

A. The best way to predict future behavior is past behavior.

B. Is the most well known political tool right next to lying, to change your views to get votes, just like you are accusing Cruz of doing

>>329022

Get out with your statist fallacy, the "middle ground" it self has been tumbling to authoritarianism for the longest time.

What evidence to you have for max freedom leading to decline? History tells us that the loosening of Kings' authority over the populace has exploded into the massive economic and technological growth that has led us to where we are.

Now since the beginning of the 20th century we have seen the clamps slowly tightening on our economic freedom again, and never forget there is no freedom without economic freedom.

>>329027

The impulse is strong to attack when you see people insist on nonsense.

Also has the Desert Tech promising gotten any closer? It's been like 3 years now or something right?

Also the K&M arms M17, I have heard lots of "meh" things about it, but its suppose to be very simple

>>329013

He changed his views.

Nobody, not even el Rato can lie as much as Hildog. But this isn't /pol/, so discuss bullpups and why bullpup shotguns are hot.

>>329031

I think the real neat shit with bullpups is that they make cartridges with some heavier recoil a little bit easier to use.

I think what a ton of bullpup designers are trying to do is somehow get to the Halo rifle, super controllable 7.62 nato rifles.

>>329028

>Also has the Desert Tech promising gotten any closer? It's been like 3 years now or something right?

If I'm not wrong, the last release date they were aiming for was July or something like that. I believe they said at some point that they were going for a 1MOA mark in order to let the rifle leave the factory (as in during QC procedure once production starts). They also said there were going to be target shooting (really light) triggers available later on and some other accessories. Everything regarding the promised functionality seemed to be there on the last SHOT show… of course, it was shot, so we don't know how that part goes.

>Also the K&M arms M17, I have heard lots of "meh" things about it, but its suppose to be very simple

The main issue seems to be the handguard getting hot. The rifle doesn't have a heat shield and the whole lower is a single chunk of aluminium. It's kind of bound to get hot pretty fast, specially considering how close the barrel is to the lower part of the handguard. I'm pretty sure one could put together a heat shield and add thermoplastic handguard insert for your hand with relative ease; not sure why on earth they aren't doing that, but as a DIY work, it shouldn't be a problem. It takes AR trigger assemblies (drop-in swap apparently) and it already comes with an -allegedly- high end trigger. There is a .308 version available now and they are working on a 6.5 grendel version too.

>>328971

That was just a delay because they presented the ATF with pistol versions that included a vert grip. They are free to resubmit revised designs.

>>329044

>ATF with pistol versions that included a vert grip

Jesus people did no one bother to see if that was a good idea?

>>329039

>1 moa, oh well shit.

I'm afraid to think of what those might cost

>M17

I think it's neat the AR trigger things is a big plus in my eyes. I would be interested in a .308 version. In my eye nothing beat the AR15 in terms of 5.56 yet, at least not enough to drop 2k on a rifle with iffy after market.

>>329046

I'm not saying vote for her you gobber, but pretending that Trump will repeal all import bans or trying and pick apart the NFA is a baseless fantasy.

>>329025

>statist fallacy

>the "middle ground" it self has been tumbling to authoritarianism for the longest time

Define "The longest time." There might be a reason for it's erosion of whatever specific time period you're referring to.

>but pretending that Trump will repeal all import bans

I'm sure a simple petition would get us some cheap m1 garands back in america where they belong, and that's all I really need.

>>329052

I'm going to go with since the founding of the United States, the Articles of Declaration was very quickly scrapped for a compromise. Which led to the documents we have now which are far more controlling/authoritarian/federal. Since then it has obviously only gotten more so, some presidents/congresses held it back some, but none have ever really turned it back.

Pretty much the best way to describe it is that any time you try and get authority to let up some it fails completely. There are exceptions but I would say 95% of the time you gain nothing back.

>some cheap m1 garands

Ya that would be nice, but I would say Cruz has a better probability of letting that happen. Maybe even Rubio (even though he is screwed and its over for him). At least with Cruz there is a stronger history of pro-gun movements, I would bet big money that he would do more for import bans than Trump.

>>329074

I'd really like one, honestly.

I've always had a hard-on for side feeding magazines.

>>329004

>Where is your alternative?

Gary Johnson

>/pol/edditors in charge of not being underaged fucks who only care about the two crony parties

>>329047

>Jesus people did no one bother to see if that was a good idea?

This is Poland we're talking about

>>329090

I remember they asked an american reporter if we would be interested in attachable nade launchers.

If only, Polan, if only.

>>329047

>I'm afraid to think of what those might cost

According to official sources: The msrp for the 5.56 version is $1999. The .308 version goes for $2249.

The conversion kits go like this: $749 for the 5.56 kit and $999 for the .308.

In essence, you have a $1250 platform with kits you can add on top. It is also going to come out on .300niggersout and, maybe, more calibers in the future.

If they stick to the 1MOA promise and the rifle works well and reliably with a good trigger, I would say the prices are more than fair enough. A Scar doesn't get you more than that and it cost a couple of hundred more (comparing MSRP). Retail price might be lower.

I'd say they have a pretty good business between their hands.

>>328545

Bist a bissl deppat? Den Ami Scheiss greif i net an!

>>329012

Hello rato

I am so terrified of going bald that I'm willing to reply to this. All the men in my family have gone bald

>>329275

promise you'll shave it when it gets too bad.

Ya Aug is bretty good that being said I would get a Fs2000 over that shit anyday. But any bullpup is good aslong as its not a Tavor. Plus if im not mistaken the Fs2000 takes P-mags.

>>329252

plz leave

we don't even manufacture the fucking rifle locally anymore, we outsource that shit to American factories one way or another

>>329308

Is that ture? I've been looking at an AUG Z A3 because it's legal here.

>>329315

>true

>>329315

Steyr-Mannlicher, along with Glock and other Austrian firearms manufacturers closed down their factories a couple decades ago and completely relocated their businesses into the United States. You can thank the Austrian government for that. In other words, any and all "Made in Austria" markings on Glock and Steyr-Mannlicher products are just for show.

Can't help you with getting that AUG, sorry.

>>329028

I heard the M17 doesn't have a free-floated barrel, which makes me wary. It also seems to be very bare-bones.

>>329033

>super controllable

have you played the first game? It's a bullpup 7.62x51 LMG with 60 rounds, but it's better for cleaning dirt & rust off metal surfaces than shooting combatants

sorry, I love Halo 1. Gameplay was somewhat fresh at the time, but the atmosphere makes it great

>>329679

>free-floated barrel

It's semi free-floated due to how the action is attached to the ported part of the barrel (I'm pretty sure this could be "solved" with some custom parts and whatnot).

Also worth saying: the vast, VAST majority of the rifles don't have free floated barrels. The majority of the ARs with delta-ring barrel attachment aren't free-floated, almost all of the AKs and variants aren't free floated, the SVD is semi free-floated OOTB, KEK-tec bullpup isn't freefloated, I'm pretty sure the Bren805 isn't free-floated (but I could be wrong on this one), the Tavor isn't free-floated (has a barrel band because lel, IWI), the AUG isn't free floated, the G3 and its off-spings aren't free floated by default (only some models and 1 or 2 PTR91 are free floated), the FAL isn't free-floated and I could probably go on.

>>329025

>What evidence to you have for max freedom leading to decline?

Read Spengler, you rube.

>>329726

Free-floating is an AR-15 meme.

>>329845

It's actually fairly effective in most cases, but not nearly as common as many seem to think.

Some platforms are harder to free-float than others, but I believe most can be free-floated with some work.

>>329953

That handguard is the exact opposite of free-floating. Just saying.

>>329953

That trigger guard is appalling.

>>330119

Sexy though

I'm probably not going to get a PTR but if I do it will definitely have wood furniture

>>330702

good job Anon