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The cops were shooting at the car, he was trying to get them to shoot at him instead of the women.

Honestly America, find a new bad guy, this dude isn't it. He seems like a decent guy.

>>329912

>The cops were shooting at the car, he was trying to get them to shoot at him instead of the women.

Dude, no they weren't. They shot beanbags at the car, that's it.

I'm more pissed at that bitch who kept egging him on. He'd still be alive if he wasn't listening to her.

>>329913

From what I've know, he was one of the guys from the Oregon standoff. Officers said they shot him when he was "trying to reach a gun in his jacket".

>>329913

Comments are comedy gold, but he was reaching for his shit and telling them to shoot him when he was shot.

>>329920

From what I've seen, he was surrendering, one of the cops lost his footing in the snow, fell through a bit, and discharged his gun on accident. Surrendering guy got hit in the gut, instinctively reached for the wound and they lit him up, because they though he was going for a gun.

Unlike most nigger cases, I'm pretty fucking sure the cops are at fault here.

>>329964

Dude watch the video. He got shot only after he started reaching.

https://youtu.be/Nw9sfuFGghY?t=5m40s

>>329971

Yes

https://twitter.com/LesZaitz/status/707291105616797696/photo/1

>>329971

It doesn't matter if it did or not, the Blue Shield will make sure everyone fucking saw a gun, even if it somehow 'got lost' on its way to the coroners.

When did American cops start shooting people who go to them and say "shoot me"?

>>329913

>unarmed man get shot

He had the smell of a dog on him.

>>329964

That's 100% correct.

>>329974

The man in question didn't own a semi auto, especially not the Ruger SR9 Duty police gun they "found" on him.

>>330062

So the gun in that pic is the one inside an "inner jacket pocket" according to the report? Why would he put it in an inner jacket pocket if he had a shoulder holster?

>>330064

No idea why he did things the way he did them, but you'd think one of his friends would have come out and said that he didn't own such a gun. In either case, more guns were found in the car. Police were right to believe he was armed.

>>330068

>why he did things the way he did them

I don't think he did things though.

>>330073

It's in the video, bro. Pretty much undeniable at this point. Not entirely his fault, though. That one bitch kept egging him on. Look at the occupants of the other car. All they got was an arrest, which seems bad, but they're alive.

>>330080

I'm looking at the same video, you seem to be seeing what you want to see.

>>330093

See

>>329967

Running from the cops, telling them that there's going to be a bloodbath, telling them that "You're gonna have to shoot me." and reaching into his jacket are all things that he did.

Did he do it with stupid encouragement from an idiot? Yes, but those are his actions.

>>330060

>ut must habe been de juuz

>>330062

look at the post you responded to, it's shopped by the jews

>>330073

yeah he did, the jews convinced him to.

What the fuck where the cops doing after the killed the first guy?

The 3 people where just sitting in the truck doing nothing and they just keeping shooting at them. Randomly too.

>>330130

Bean bag rounds maybe? Who knows

>>330098

Like I said, I've seen the vid. He's not reaching for a gun in a shoulder holster. He's not reaching for a gun in an inner jacket pocket. He's covering a bullet wound.

>>330135

They were unloading for real, there were broken glass and ricochets. Bean bag rounds and pepper balls wouldn't do that.

Also the cracks were sharp and some came from the men who just shot the Finicum guy.

>>330130

Shot out the glass with beanbag rounds then followed up with pepper rounds, apparently. I don't know why the cops were trying to shoot them with pepper rounds without providing any guidance on what they should do to stop getting shot with pepper rounds.

>>330141

>Like I said, I've seen the vid. He's not reaching for a gun in a shoulder holster. He's not reaching for a gun in an inner jacket pocket. He's covering a bullet wound.

That's patently wrong. The shot only goes off after he starts reaching. If not, you might want to show me where the shot goes off that wounds him first.

The original story was 'we don't know who shot first.' Then 'he reached for a gun twice and we shot him.' No mention of the earlier shots.

>>329919

Those first shots weren't beanbags. Although the shot at the original stop that the girl reported was some sort of cs or pepper grenade I believe. I can't find the source now. Sorry.

>>329964

They had already shot at him as soon as he got out. Then it stopped until what we saw in the original video.

>>330062

Thanks. I hadn't seen that. I assumed with the cops and fbi under investigation for covering up one fbi guys unreported shots that they planted it.

>>330199

Pure conjecture, but the ones at 5:30 could have. Depends on who shot compared to the bullets they dug out of him.

They knew the cops would shoot if they ran and still ran, then when he gets out he starts with his hands up but reaches in his jacket.

This guy was all kinds of retarded and it ended how you would expect when a retard encounters cops.

>>330212

Exactly.

It's just Americans shooting each other as usual. What's so special about this case? I haven't been following at all, someone fill me in.

>>330164

>vietman_veteran

>>330212

The police aren't allowed to make blockades or shoot people for driving away. Are you aware they got shot for speeding?

>he starts with his hands up but reaches in his jacket

He reaches the bullet hole.

Kill yourself kangaroo fucker.

>>330330

I know little of US law but

>The police aren't allowed to make blockades

sounds like bullshit as spike strips are issued to cops in every western nation.

As for the cops shooting for running I agree they shouldn't but your cops do it so often everyone in the car expected them too.

>He reaches the bullet hole

I saw someone else say this but I don't see the shot they are talking about.

>Kill yourself kangaroo fucker

Why? Kangaroo are all muscle making them great roots, I'm not about to kill myself while there are still thousands of virgin roos running around.

>>330332

> but your cops do it so often everyone in the car expected

Shut up, sit down, and twiddle your statist thumbs.

Comments like this are why you will always be slaves.

>>330330

>He reaches the bullet hole.

Now that the audio is out, you can't really say this. The guy is saying "You're gonna have to shoot me!" as he reaches into his jacket and then gets shot. He didn't say "You shot me." or anything like that, did he?

Look, I think it's unfortunate that he got shot, and I think that the government has fucked shit up, but that was a good shoot. The claims that he didnu nuffin, are ridiculous at this point.

>>330342

totally agree. the audio sync is damning. you don't hear a shot until he reaches.

>>330383

There are multiple shots as they're driving away from one blockade. Are you deaf or just stupid?

>>330383

Ignoring the ones as they approach, and when he gets out.

>>330050

>When did American cops start shooting people who go to them and say "shoot me"?

1778

>>330816

>>330924

Those are claimed to be less lethal rounds. Apparently cops fired only six shots. However, the FBI is being investigated for not disclosing one shot which seems to have entered the roof of the vehicle.

>>330816

Care to point them out? I just hear wind noise, no actual shots.

>>331005

I don't know why you keep posting that first image. It's unsourced and biased as fuck.

>>331005

Also, the cops didn't shoot at the car as much as you say. They shot six times total, three into tarp guy. One stray round was fired from the FBI into the roof of the vehicle, for which they are being investigated. The rest are less lethal rounds.

Finicum wasn't trying to do anything other than get shot. You need to get over that.

And it's true, if the cops had blockaded the whole thing right off the bat, cut off utilities and offered blankets and food only for those that came out, all would have gone well. Look at those last holdouts. For all their crying and bitching that they were going to die, they still came out with their hands up. It's a waiting game against unprepared nobodies. That would have one less dead body.

>>331020

sorry i didnt check sources on the first pic so I cant necessarily vouch for its authenticity but it did have some good points.

>>331024

also i counted 3 into tarp guy at least 3 when they came around the corner and 2 when he got out got out plus the one when ryan opened the door which may have been beanbag or not.. And neither of us can really prove what was going on in finicums head when he got out so i guess I cant really argue there. but there are already some things that makes me skeptical. Like the fbi supposedly posing as militia around the armory as told by the supposed fire chief of harney county. and the lack of news coverage of this event and the trial. I mean armed militia hold govt building for month and a half and it barely makes headlines for a week. and the reporters should be eating this trial up but instead we are getting nothing.

>>330932

>one shot

It was two shots according to the oregonlive article. The other missed everything apparently.

But they have withheld information at every turn. They knew they were the only ones who shot. They knew they shot before Finicum reached for anything. But nothing but the bare minimum has been mentioned by them until video evidence comes out. I'm not saying they weren't, but why trust them about which were rubber bullets, or who fired them? Why trust them at all? I take >>330337 Carlin's approach

>>331049

do you think if lavoy finicum slammed on the brakes as soon as he saw the road block he could have stopped? Probably not he was going 70 and coming around a blind corner with a roadblock 70 yards down the road. And even if he could the car was already getting shot. the fact that this was an obvious ambush and the fact that there has been fuck all reporting. And they are already blaming the militia movement makes me extremely uncomfortable.

>>329919

>beanbags

ppppfffffffttttttttttttttttt

PPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

Seriously, get off the drugs.

>>331056

>do you think if lavoy finicum slammed on the brakes as soon as he saw the road block he could have stopped?

I wonder about the 'they're coming up fast' at 5:00, if you don't want people driving at high speed into a roadblock, don't chase them as close.

Does anyone understand what they are doing about the people they had arrested for being with the bundys a year before?

>>331136

I didnt even notice that they were being chased that close thanks for pointing that out.

>>331056

This.

>>331094

Incredulity isn't an argument, friend. Plus the autopsy showed that only three bullets entered tarp guy, the three shots you hear as he reaches into his jacket.

All the evidence shows this was a good shoot. You need to accept this fact.

>>331024

>Also, the cops didn't shoot at the car as much as you say.

You realize everyone has access to the video right? We can hear them unloading at least a hundred rounds.

Are you suggesting they shot in the air or something?

>>331296

>You realize everyone has access to the video right? We can hear them unloading at least a hundred rounds.

Less lethal exists. This is what was shot at them.

>Are you suggesting they shot in the air or something?

I'm suggesting you're misinformed, as the information is out there, or that you're willfully ignorant.

>>331301

>Less lethal exists. This is what was shot at them.

According to fucking whom?

>>331301

please remind me what kind of less lethal rounds can go through a car windshield

>>331321

According to the very same reports that have prompted an investigation of the FBI.

>>331328

The gets to govt investigates themselves right?

>>331328

Merci pour tu contribution, now get the fuck out.

>>331329

A civics class should tell you that da gubmint isn't a monolithic entity. Otherwise UCMJ is no big deal for a soldier, since it's the military investigating the military, right?

>>331323

I see a windshield being shattered, as well as side windows, but is it hard to believe that an object moving out of a shotguns shell and toward a car traveling at 70mph might do some damage to the windshield?

>>331333

I'm really not taking sides. For one, I want to see the FBI get investigated, and also would like to see better procedures be used for things like this in the future. The bottom line is that this would have ended in the first two weeks if the cops had simply cordoned off and refused to contact them other than for requests to come out. Eventually want for food and water would have made them come out. Nobody had to die.

>>331331

I see your point but I was implying that the FBI investigating itself for this is retarded because it seems to me that this was an ambush and people dying was their plan all along.

>>331335

windshields are held to higher standards than side windows. And i have trouble believing they were less lethal rounds considering that ryan bundy was shot through the front windshield.

>>331336

>I see your point but I was implying that the FBI investigating itself for this is retarded

They're not investigating themselves.

>it seems to me that this was an ambush and people dying was their plan all along.

How was this an ambush? They were pulled over and asked to step out of the car. One car did that and everyone lived. Another car decided to drive off and act like a nigger and the driver died.

You would have to ignore every single action taken by Finicum to get to this conclusion. He had every chance to stop and chose not to.

>windshields are held to higher standards than side windows.

And I understand that, but even bullets don't shatter windshields. However, even small rocks will crack it just bouncing on the road. How is a less lethal round hard to believe?

>And i have trouble believing they were less lethal rounds considering that ryan bundy was shot through the front windshield.

Yes, the police shot at them six times, three of which ended up in Finicum. I'm not saying the car wasn't shot, but most of those noises are not gunshots. The police didn't riddle this car with bullets with

>>331296

"at least a hundred rounds"

That's what I'm trying to get at.

>>331340

>How was this an ambush?

The fact that they had a full roadblock shows that they had time to think about what they were doing. Yet they still put it In a place where the driver could see it until it was too late. And they had officers in the woods waiting. like the officer that came out with a taser.

>How is a less lethal round hard to believe?

Why would they shoot real bullets at the car and kill a man and then switch to less lethal rounds.

If they thought lavoy was armed and dangerous as you imply then why would they decide that the others were not as dangerous and chose to use less lethal rounds.

And btw I think both of us are probably ignoring a better question. When did it be okay to shit on the militia and ignore legitimate grievances of the people?

>>331354

>The fact that they had a full roadblock shows that they had time to think about what they were doing.

Well, yeah, you certainly don't want people that you want to arrest to run away. That's not really an ambush. That's standard procedure.

> Yet they still put it In a place where the driver could see it until it was too late.

I could chalk that up to incompetence. The road does seem relatively straight, so one wonders if they never took notice of altitude changes. Either way, this wouldn't have turned into that if he hadn't run.

>And they had officers in the woods waiting. like the officer that came out with a taser.

Yes, you don't want someone that you're out to arrest to just run away.

> Why would they shoot real bullets at the car and kill a man and then switch to less lethal rounds.

Well, for one, those in the car didn't look like they were going to shoot at the cops, and second, it looks like they wanted them out, which is why they used CS gas and flashbangs.

> If they thought lavoy was armed and dangerous as you imply then why would they decide that the others were not as dangerous and chose to use less lethal rounds.

Because they didn't stupidly reach into their jackets while yelling "You're gonna have to shoot me!" One would call this a measured response, restraint even.

> And btw I think both of us are probably ignoring a better question. When did it be okay to shit on the militia and ignore legitimate grievances of the people?

The Whiskey Rebellion?

But really, I think that the original issue, the mandatory minimum bullshit that put two guys in prison was overshadowed by this media circus, all thanks to these "militia" guys.

>>331356

We can argue back and forth all day and I can see I wont be convincing you. And I think you know you wont convince me. So lets talk about the original problem.

Frankly I don't think that this would have been covered at all if the "militia" hadn't stepped in. Now dont get me wrong, im not saying the militia chose the smartest option but they did choose an option which is better than what I or most of america has done. And the govt. and media practically ignored them for a month. Fags sent dildos too them and they got arrested and may never see the outside of a cell again and 99% of Americans dont even know why they did what they did. all they see is "da ebil militia." Which is a bad thing when people fear and hate a important piece of the constitution.

>>331379

> Frankly I don't think that this would have been covered at all if the "militia" hadn't stepped in

To an extent, you are right. And I wish it had stopped there. My problem is that it didn't and they went on to take attention away from them. A peaceful protest in front of the courthouse would have been far better.

> Fags sent dildos too them and they got arrested and may never see the outside of a cell again and 99% of Americans dont even know why they did what they did.

We do know what they did. They stopped demanding for the release of the two fellows and decided to demand privatization of public land. If you don't think that's a bit unrelated to the original issue, then I don't know what to say. This seems like they just wanted a Nevada repeat. These militia guys were not in it to help people after they moved into that wildlife refuge.

>>330164

Good to get your edgy opinion on the situation, thank you anon for all your edges

>>331385

They didn't take attention away, fuck off with your statist apologism. The Bundys did nothing wrong, and their cause was directly connected to that of the Hammonds. It was always about government overreach.

They didn't just want land. They wanted THEIR OWN LAND to be respected by the government and not treated as an excuse to abuse eminent domain. You're a historical revisionist and a media slave if you believe this was ever about a fire in the woods.

They wanted the government to leave them alone and stop stealing public and owned earth, and that same privilege and legal "authority" is the copout they used to lock up the Hammonds. It's about citizen's rights.

>>331385

>This seems like they just wanted a Nevada repeat

Are you implying thats a bad thing?

>>331390

exactly

and if you read my rant up above washington post just ran an article describing constitutionalists and freeman as possible anti govt nuts that the fbi must take care of to keep people safe. Which is pretty fucking worrying.

also in that post I meant highschoolers not preschoolers

>>331503

>And we only have your word for this.

And, you know, every single report on the matter.

>>329971

He was trying to suicide by cop. He faked reaching for a gun three times and on the third time they got tired of his shit and shot him.

He was a welfare queen. He relied on foster kids to work his ranch with him to stay afloat, and the state had recently decided he wasn't fit to foster children anymore, in part because he treated them like shit and worked them too hard, so they failed in school and had no social lives. Faced with his ranch going under without a labor supply that paid him rather than him having to hire help, he chose to suicide like a coward.

>>331514

>He relied on foster kids to work his ranch with him to stay afloat

Sauce on this?

Everybody in that situation was fucking retarded.

>>331504

If I post a report that doesn't agree, are you going to admit you're a liar and shut your fat mouth before a cop cock flies into it?

>>331521

You know, I never called you a liar, or any names like that. I'm going off what is reliably known. You're going off conjecture, but sure. Source a report that says that the cops totally wanted to murder these people.

>>331390

>They didn't take attention away, fuck off with your statist apologism

They did take attention away from it. They made it about themselves. This is selfish and shouldn't be tolerated.

>The Bundys did nothing wrong, and their cause was directly connected to that of the Hammonds. It was always about government overreach.

The Hammonds' main problem was terrible mandatory minimum sentencing. Notice this is completely absent from any discussion on the topic nowadays.

>They didn't just want land. They wanted THEIR OWN LAND to be respected by the government and not treated as an excuse to abuse eminent domain.

This is not what happened. Eminent domain doesn't need an excuse other than a publics work being built. They don't need to put you in jail.

>You're a historical revisionist and a media slave if you believe this was ever about a fire in the woods.

I don't know about the media, but that's what the court documents say. The only ones saying otherwise are always about making complicated conspiracy theories.

>They wanted the government to leave them alone and stop stealing public and owned earth

I think that's what the Bundys were pushing for. Publicly owned lands by default are managed by some area of government. Don't be silly.

>legal "authority" is the copout they used to lock up the Hammonds. It's about citizen's rights.

The Hammonds were locked up with an anti-terrorism law over something they did. Did they fuck up? Yes, but this wasn't about taking their land. Eminent domain doesn't require complicated schemes like that.

>>331395

>Are you implying thats a bad thing?

Yes, I am. The Bundys were completely in the wrong in Nevada. Go read the Breitbart article on it.

>>331524

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/03/09/new-evidence-shows-foul-play-cover-up-by-fbi-and-osp-in-shooting-of-lavoy-finicum-doj-opens-new-investigation/

Leave.

>>331553

It's more "hurr we hurd the shots."

When the official reports also show less lethal being fired.

Again, the FBI misbehaved, but that doesn't show this being a bad shoot.

Yes, he was shot in the back, but he was bending over and into his jacket. The motion was obvious. You haven't changed anything.

Also, a blog is not an official report. Nice try, though.

>>331560

>And, you know, every single report on the matter.

>every

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I gave you one that wasn't, now fuck off.

>>331537

>Go read the Breitbart article on it

>Hundreds of the Bundy family neighbors have been pushed out of ranching, a profession and culture the families shared with generations of their ancestors, by the federal government slowly restricting more and more of the usage of federal lands. The Bundy family has held on—but holding on meant ignoring the rule of law, as much as they would argue that the federal government has ignored the rule of law. After years of federal overreach and corruption—especially from federal agencies restricting public lands or effectively taking the value out of privately-held lands to protect tortoises, spotted owls, and ponds a bird might someday land in—many Americans are boiling and looking for an instance to stand against. The Bundy ranch has filled that role for many. Stated concerns over this being a new Waco or Ruby Ridge have come from the family. The federal government clearly views the armed Bundy supporters with concern—as evidenced by reports of government snipers being nearby and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) issuing a no-fly zone for three miles surrounding the Bundy ranch.

>The Bundy family can in fact claim to have enjoyed generations of grazing rights on federal land—with an arrangement originating in the 1870s. Adjacent to their personal property, the family was allowed to utilize what was known as the Bunkerville Allotment.

>Hundreds of the Bundy family neighbors have been pushed out of ranching, a profession and culture the families shared with generations of their ancestors, by the federal government slowly restricting more and more of the usage of federal lands. The Bundy family has held on—but holding on meant ignoring the rule of law, as much as they would argue that the federal government has ignored the rule of law.

I think we both could cherry pick the fuck out of these articles. So I think claim that the bundys were completely wrong is completley false.

>>331553

Nice find

>>331560

>When the official reports also show less lethal being fired.

WE ARE ARGUING THAT THE OFFICIAL REPORTS ARE WRONG YOU DENSE ASSHOLE DONT DEFEND THE BIBLE WITH THE BIBLE

Hurr durr gubbmint good militia bad need more cops and survalences pogroms to keep da beeble safe against dis liderral derrism.

>>331562

That's not a report, you fuckwit. I'm talking about releases from investigations and such. This isn't anything official. Let me just cite a blog that says they're all Nazis and shit, surely that's believable.

>>331564

>WE ARE ARGUING THAT THE OFFICIAL REPORTS ARE WRONG YOU DENSE ASSHOLE DONT DEFEND THE BIBLE WITH THE BIBLE

Except there is no evidence that they are wrong.

>Hurr durr gubbmint good militia bad need more cops and survalences pogroms to keep da beeble safe against dis liderral derrism.

Have you ever heard of a thing called nuance? I don't believe the government is good. I do believe that they were justified in shooting Finicum, and all evidence points to that.

>The Bundy family can in fact claim to have enjoyed generations of grazing rights on federal land—with an arrangement originating in the 1870s. Adjacent to their personal property, the family was allowed to utilize what was known as the Bunkerville Allotment.

Yes, an agreement that the Bundys broke in 1993. The government then let them get away with it for two fucking decades. In what world are the Bundys right?

>>329971

There was a 9mm pistol found in his left jacket pocket that was reported stolen by one of the agents on the scene over a year ago. Do the math.

>>331568

Sure there was.

I bet all of you copsuckers are voting Trump, too.

>>331571

there was a gun that was last owned by one of the cops that shot him found on his person. You aren't very good at math are you?

>>331574

>>331568

Source for this claim?

>>331574

This is called placed evidence. It's a setup. They've been doing this exact thing since the 1920s, dude.

>>331576

no shit.

>>331575

working on it.

>>331576

Yeah, but why would they? They found two ARs and a revolver in the truck. Surely they could have just used those if they really wanted to plant shit on them.

>>331565

You didn't say:

>And, you know, every single INVESTIGATIVE report on the matter.

Or

>And, you know, every single OFFICIAL report on the matter.

You said

>And, you know, every single report on the matter.

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Nor did you say MOST of the reports, which is going to be your next goalpost shift. You said: Every. Single. One.

>>331581

No, I didn't say that, because usually people understand what someone means by this.

>hurr shifting goalposts

What would be the point of an unofficial report? Use some common fucking sense, guy.

>Nor did you say MOST of the reports, which is going to be your next goalpost shift. You said: Every. Single. One.

Yes, every single report by people that were actually there: The fucking cops and the FBI

Says that this was a good shoot. What value is there in reports from people that have no access to any of the evidence? Did you even think about this for more than two seconds?

As the two cars, comprising the caravan, were making their way to John Day. they were pulled over at the first roadblock. At first, neither side did anything in what could be described as a silent stand-off. The occupants of the vehicles were not given any instructions (e.g. to exit the vehicle, etc.). Finally, in an attempt to show peaceful intent, Ryan Payne put both hands out of the truck through the open window, to show he was not armed, and he was promptly shot at with the bullet striking metal of the truck between the window and the mirror.

Point being, Feds never gave them the opportunity to surrender.

By the way multiple witnesses were intimidated. As a precondition of her release, Shawna Cox, the premier witness opposing the FBI side of the story, was ordered to have all guns at her Utah home removed.

After the guns were removed, her son-in-law, sitting in close proximity to the guns was suddenly and mysteriously caught in a fire in which all the guns and ammunition went up in smoke. Shawna’s son-in-law was killed in the event.

http://www.sltrib.com/news/3486286-155/autopsy-will-be-needed-to-confirm

Later she changed her story to fit the FBI story perfectly. She's clearly in fear for her life and our police are out of fucking control.

>>331586

>At least delete the post of you saying it before you claim you didn't say it.

But I didn't claim I didn't say it. Why the fuck would report mean "news report", you fucking idiot. What value would that have?

>Jesus Christ this guy has to be getting paid.

Yeah, you have to pay someone to convince you that a guy that ran from the cops, kept yelling at them that it was going to be a bloodbath, and said "You're gonna have to shoot me" right before being shot was totally set up.

You're a delusional idiot.

Yes, the government has fucked shit up.

Yes, the FBI has to be investigated (this is based off official reports, I wonder why da gubmint would investigate if they wanted to make this look totally right).

Yes, they had some grievances that should have been expressed.

And yes, he fucking got himself shot.

These are all facts. I don't know why you're still pushing the dindu angle when the fucking video and audio shows him being a fucking dick.

Remember that his friends claimed he was surrendering on his knees when he was shot. But you don't wonder about their integrity, no sir.

>>331588

That's cool, bruh. Everyone is always trying to get more info. I certainly want to know why those agents didn't report their shots. Something is amiss there.

Also one FBI agent shot his gun twice but claimed he never fired his gun. They did fire at all of the trucks multiple times, despite the fact that this is against their training. And the officers who said they feared for their life shot Finicum - three times in the back - Finicum was actually covering an exit hole. Any 'official' report is not to be trusted.

Not to mention that any LEO that shoot while a suspect is between them and their partner is in the line of fire, or unload nine fucking rounds but only hit him three times, don't deserve to carry a badge.

>>331594

>And the officers who said they feared for their life shot Finicum - three times in the back - Finicum was actually covering an exit hole.

You trust the autopsy that said he was shot three times in the back, and only three times, yet you still claim he was covering an exit wound, even though the three shots came successively only after he reached?

This doesn't make any sense.

>Not to mention that any LEO that shoot while a suspect is between them and their partner is in the line of fire, or unload nine fucking rounds but only hit him three times, don't deserve to carry a badge.

You're completely right about that.

>>331566

we have both provided reports when you ask them. You point me to a nonconclusive breitbart article. And you constantly reference the official report like it proves the govt is right. A report is just a report and thats all. It doesnt prove anything.

But we do have a video. The first realease seemed to prove the gov was right. there was no mentions of any shots but the ones that killed lavoy. Now with the new video showing that the car was shot before he even got out. we have proof that you cant trust govt reports and you still point to it like it proves anything.

>>331591

>running from the cops and being suicidal is a capital crime

OK let me ask you one thing before I hide your ID: On what charges were the two trucks stopped?

>>331598

Better yet for what reason were they fired on when they stopped and put their hands up.

If a suspect of whatever crime complies with police commands and still gets shot, I think it's fully within the right of the suspect to shoot back and kill the rogue LEO.

Police don't have any special privilege or authority. They are literally just armed citizens carrying out citizens arrests while in a very large union with political clout.

>>331598

>OK let me ask you one thing before I hide your ID: On what charges were the two trucks stopped?

They had warrants for their arrest based on what they did at the refuge. You don't need a new reason when they've already committed a crime. You'll notice the rest of the vehicle occupants were charged with this.

>>331599

>Better yet for what reason were they fired on when they stopped and put their hands up.

Any evidence of that? Because so far, it's only these eyewitnesses that keep changing their story. In fact, Payne even stepped out of the car. I wonder how he did that if they planned to murder them.

>>331601

Yeah I expected you to refuse to answer the question plainly.

They weren't charged for anything close to vandalizing public property, as your lying tongue is implying. The charges were federal felony conspiracy offense and obstructing a federal officer.

They were charged with completely bogus vague charges precisely because the cops weren't sure.

>>331607

>Yeah I expected you to refuse to answer the question plainly.

That is the answer, retard.

>They weren't charged for anything close to vandalizing public property, as your lying tongue is implying. The charges were federal felony conspiracy offense and obstructing a federal officer.

All of which are arrestable offenses.

>They were charged with completely bogus vague charges precisely because the cops weren't sure.

I thought they were pretty accurate charges.

>>331611

Shit im retarded i posted again the same shit please disregard

>>331610

>I thought they were pretty accurate charges.

Except none of those things ever happened, you fucking statist. You're literally advocating against the rights of the people sworn to oath by the Constitution. You like the police more than the people, you think anyone who dislikes any cop is equivalent to some Black Lives Matter zealot, so anyone who interacts with police is a terrorist in your eyes. You're a damn statist, through and through.

I bet you were even one of the autists calling for the protesters to be burned alive. You should be ashamed of yourself. I wish this amount of anti-freedom vitriol was painful.

>>331614

>Except none of those things ever happened, you fucking statist.

Walking around and taking control of federal property while threatening agents is exactly what that charge represents.

>You're literally advocating against the rights of the people sworn to oath by the Constitution.

You don't have a right to occupy a federal building and steal vehicles for your personal use.

>You like the police more than the people, you think anyone who dislikes any cop is equivalent to some Black Lives Matter zealot, so anyone who interacts with police is a terrorist in your eyes.

No, I don't think that. I think these people are fucking criminals that give the rest of us a bad name, though.

>I bet you were even one of the autists calling for the protesters to be burned alive.

No. If you read the posts, I thought tighter control and a waiting game would have saved one more life. The big problem was letting them run around. This gave them the idea that they couldn't be stopped, and when it came time to stop, they didn't react well to it. A bit of cold and hunger can persuade much more than guns and helicopters, and doesn't kill anyone.

>You should be ashamed of yourself. I wish this amount of anti-freedom vitriol was painful.

Look, I sympathize with the Hammonds. I even wrote a letter and shit. I do not think the Pres will pardon them, but I can still hope. I do not sympathize with the Bundys or their gang. They did nothing good. Now nobody remembers the Hammonds.

>>331601

First evidence is the video in OP, 5:20 it shows cops shooting real bullets at the car. Don't try to tell me beanbag rounds can hit a moving vehicle at 200 yards and sound like that when hitting metal. After they stopped, 5:29 is when two shots are fired on Ryan Payne while his hands are up.

I find your unwillingness to accept witness testimony a bit strange though. If changing eyewitness testimony of the police is good enough evidence for you, then changing eyewitness testimony of the other people there is just as good evidence for me. Considering the non-LEO witnesses were intimidated and had relatives assassinated by the Feds, they have somewhat better reason to change their stories.

>I wonder how he did that if they planned to murder them.

This is what they planned to do, however they couldn't shoot someone holding their hands up on camera. This is why they shot so much at the cars, which they thought camera couldn't see inside. The Feds also created a blockade in the first place simply to corner and provoke the protesters, or to force them off the road and kill them in a vehicular 'accident'.

If the purpose was merely to apprehend the protesters, they would have let the protesters drive where they wanted to go - to the sherrifs office and local county jail! What kind of a LEO decision stops a criminal from driving to the jail?!

But regardless of what they planned the fact of the matter is that the Feds shot at the Amon car when they stopped the first time fully complying with Fed blockade, the Feds shot at the Finicum car as it sped away from the blockade, and the Feds shot at the car when it stopped the second time.

In none of these cases were the Feds lives in danger, and in none of these cases was it a good shoot. There is no excuse for using deadly force on a fleeing suspect.

>>331620

>After they stopped, 5:29 is when two shots are fired on Ryan Payne while his hands are up.

Well, already you're wrong. He got down before they ran away.

>>331582

Guess what, faggot. Even the locals and the FBI don't agree. http://archive.is/Dj063

>>331590

Got more info on the gun stuff? It's not really clear. But 3 days later is certainly a 'coincidence'

>>331591

>Remember that his friends claimed he was surrendering on his knees when he was shot

Who said that? I remember the rumors, but they were obvious hot air.

>>331596

I was impressed that they shot as well as they did, for cops.

>>331697

>Who said that? I remember the rumors, but they were obvious hot air.

Victoria Sharp said these things. She's the teen in the car.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/oregon_standoff_ammon_bundy_co.html#incart_river_home

Glenn Palmer

Sheriff who was totally right and is on the peoples side is now being investigated for endangering the people by supporting the

militia.

>Palmer referred to the arrests and shooting as an "ambush,"

>"I encourage all people who love freedom to stand with Sheriff Palmer," Bundy said.

>Eighteen days later, Palmer said that to resolve the armed standoff, federal authorities had to free the two ranchers, Dwight Hammond Jr. and son Steven, who reported to prison two days after the occupation to finish serving five-year sentences for burning federal land. Palmer also said the FBI, which had set up a command post in Burns because the protesters seized federal property, should leave Harney County.

Government Is fucking the people and ignoring the people and getting away with it.

>>330050

Whenever that same stupid motherfucker reached for his waistline over and over and over screaming it.

In general, if it was a nigger reaching for his waistline over and over screaming "YO DAWG SHOE ME, NIKKA!" you guys wouldn't give a fuck. Fuck this Lavoy asshole.

Oh, and the last time I checked, this was /k/. Not /pol/. Get the fuck out.

>>331806

You're retarded.

>>331803

>omg if he wuh black u wudnuh care

Fuck off, double nigger. /k/ isn't racist, which if you were really from here like your assmad "im not pol lol" post suggests, you would know.

These government shills don't even know how to play the game right anymore.

>>331806

>militia

>constitution

>right to protest

>not /k/

die

>>331800

That sheriff is partially responsible for what happened because he refused to act decisively to end this early on. He let it get out of hand and he let the occupiers get a big head. This is what got Finicum killed.

>>331810

You can protest without charging the police like an idiot and getting yourself killed.

>>331812

No what got Finicum killed was the government ambushing him. This is the only officer who cares and we need more like him.

>You can protest without charging the police like an idiot and getting yourself killed.

I didnt say you couldnt

>>331812

Nobody charged the police. Holy fuck nigger, you are too stupid to be doing it for free.

>>331815

>No what got Finicum killed was the government ambushing him.

No, it wasn't. As evidence see everyone else that didn't run from the cops and didn't charge them while reaching into their jackets. They're all alive. I wonder how the managed that.

>This is the only officer who cares and we need more like him.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions. I share similar sympathies as him. I really want the Hammonds out of jail, but refusing to enforce order isn't the way to achieve it. This just creates lawlessness.

>>331816

It's in the video, you delusional faggot.

>>331818

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/830/716/835/#sign

>>331818

HOW CAN YOU BE THIS FUCKING STUPID.

I get the reaching for a gun argument but this is outright fucking lies.

>>331818

>it's in the video

When did leaving a vehicle and standing thirty feet away from any human become "charging the cops"? And you call me delusional?

>>331803

>f it was a nigger reaching for his waistline over and over screaming "YO DAWG SHOE ME, NIKKA!" you guys wouldn't give a fuck.

Do niggers have a larger purpose when they steal swisher sweets?

>>331806

half/k/ detected

>>331818

Was he turning around because he was halfway between them and he didn't know who to charge?

>but refusing to enforce order isn't the way to achieve it

It would have been if law enforcement had refused to go after the Hammonds.

>This just creates lawlessness.

If spending years or dying in prison when you haven't hurt anyone or used violence is lawful, then I want no part of it.

>>331827

>Was he turning around because he was halfway between them and he didn't know who to charge?

He was reaching for his gun at the moment. This is what got him shot.

>It would have been if law enforcement had refused to go after the Hammonds.

True, but you have to work with what you're given. The sheriff had no control over the feds. He could, however, control the situation on the ground.

>If spending years or dying in prison when you haven't hurt anyone or used violence is lawful, then I want no part of it.

Unfortunately it is lawful. It's called mandatory minimum sentencing, and it hurts people at every level of the spectrum. However, the solution isn't to go around occupying public property and stealing vehicles, then claiming that the police somehow set you up when they finally come to arrest you.

>>331617

>federal property

>THEY SQUATTED ON THE QUEEN'S LAND

>OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!

Wow I didn't know you were this level of cuck…

This isn't the "feds" land, it's the peoples land, administered provisionally by the government. The people have the right to force the government to change how the land is administered, or to completely remove the government as an administrator of that land, by any means necessary.

BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY

The only reason we don't routinely cut off the heads of politicians is because they are smart enough to give us other means of voicing our displeasure, and a smart government official will listen to that displeasure.

The BLM does not give peaceful means for ranchers to change the way the land is administered, therefore they will hear from the ranchers in violent ways.

Soap box.

Ballot box.

Ammo box.

>>331851

>THEY SQUATTED ON THE QUEEN'S LAND

No, you idiot. It's land for public use. That means it doesn't belong to them. There are officials that are in charge of doing things there, and it's open to the public for everyone to use, not just them. The same thing applies to a hobo that sets up camp in the city park. His shit is going to get moved.

>This isn't the "feds" land, it's the peoples land, administered provisionally by the government.

Oh, then I guess you should just take over a public school too. That's the people's school, which means you can do whatever you want with it, right?

>The people have the right to force the government to change how the land is administered, or to completely remove the government as an administrator of that land, by any means necessary.

We have legal means of doing this. "The People" isn't just a bunch of militiafags. Maybe I should appropriate a fire station for the people(read: myself).

This line of thinking is so idiotic that it's not even funny anymore.

>The only reason we don't routinely cut off the heads of politicians is because they are smart enough to give us other means of voicing our displeasure, and a smart government official will listen to that displeasure.

Well, I don't cut heads off because I'm neither a Muslim or cartel member. You have legal representation, you have the courts, and you have the right to protest. Hint: telling cops that it's going to be a bloodbath isn't protest.

>The BLM does not give peaceful means for ranchers to change the way the land is administered, therefore they will hear from the ranchers in violent ways.

You'll note that the ranchers in the area didn't fucking join these idiots, who weren't even from Oregon. The same thing with Bundy. Somehow all the other ranchers managed to pay their fees. Hey, if you don't want to pay your fee, graze on your own fucking land.

The Hammonds got fucked over by mandatory minimum sentencing, not because they had a problem with grazing fees or any such thing. They simply fucked up. A $200 fine would have fixed it if it wasn't for bad law, but I bet you didn't write to your congressman or anyone else in government.

>hurr muh boxes

These idiots started out with the third box. They got it ass backwards.

>>331858

>These idiots started out with the third box. They got it ass backwards.

If BLM listened to ranchers, if random senators like Harry Reid weren't using BLM to steal land, this wouldn't have happened.

But hey, it's easy to prove me wrong. Name one instance where the BLM actually listened to ranchers.

>It's land for public use.

Ranchland is for the use of ranchers. Also do you realize public use includes protests?

By your logic people wouldn't be able to protest on roads, as that is public land. Only private land could be used for protests.

Are you even comprehending the enormity of your ignorance?

It hurts to read your posts.

>>331836

>He was reaching for his gun at the moment. This is what got him shot.

No shit. I have said all along he was trying to get shot since he said he didn't want to go to prison.

But that does not mean he charged anyone.

>However, the solution isn't to go around occupying public property and stealing vehicles

There is no solution. I do not have control over what the government does. And personally, I already consider buildings and vehicles paid for with taxes to be stolen, so I don't really care about that.

And why talk about a solution? Have you got one up your sleeve?

>>331858

>the people's school

I like how socialist that sounds. And since I don't have kids, won't be sending them to it when I do, pay taxes for schools I never went to, am threatened into paying it, and have no way to opt out…. I could give a fuck less what happens to it.

I disagree with what they did, mostly because they half-assed everything and got the media to be talking about crazy gunowners right before obama pushed more gun control. But I never would have heard of the Hammonds otherwise, to be fair.

>You have legal representation, you have the courts, and you have the right to protest.

How's that working out so far?

>These idiots started out with the third box. They got it ass backwards.

Did they shoot someone? Because to me, they just got themselves a soapbox, however poorly they used it.

>you have the right to protest

>spends entire thread praising government for denying their right to protest

>>332028

Thank you

>>331810

If you think they should be considered a legit militia, then you're the biggest fucking moron out of them all. They're foreign invaders, more like. And having the right to protest isn't reaching for your waistline while screaming "shoot me!"

What the fuck are you, a BLM supporter?

>>331809

This literally is a political discussion which isn't even based around firearms. Just a hot topic. Go back to your own board.

>>331809

>/k/ isn't racist

No, not really. It's half-mixed with /pol/ at this point though, so fuck it. You guys might as well make a board combining the two subjects instead of shitting on a weapons board.

>>331827

>Do niggers have a larger purpose when they steal swisher sweets?

Act like a nigger, get shot like a nigger.

>>332126

>legit militia

All able bodied men 17-45

While some of these fat tits call "able bodied" into question the rest is clear.

>>332131

They're all operating as a militia. They're operating as a gang of criminals.

>>332210

*not operating as a militia

>>332210

If you aren't police or military, get used to being called a criminal or terrorist if you ever do anything, even peacefully, if you have guns.

Hidden.

>>332217

>and white*

>>332126

>>332210

>>332130

This is why no one likes /pol/.

I thought this was going to turn into another waco or ruby ridge. It's too bad this militia didn't have their shit together when they went out to protest because they could've stayed out a lot longer than they did. Also since practically everyone on /k/ would be considered a "dangerous extremist" by the US government I can't understand why anyone, regardless of ideology would support the feds.

>>332364

Because they are government shills doing damage control.

>>332126

>foreign invaders

>born in nevada

also

>"The “militia” comprised all males physically

capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists

feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in

order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing

army or a select militia to rule."

Straight from District of Columbia v. Heller honestly no one is this stupid for free you must be getting paid.

>>332127

If you dont think Militias are a /k/ topic then you must be completely retarded.