/k/ - Weapons

>>331899

>Research expedition

>What sort of firearm would you want to be equipped with?

>What sort of firearm would be best suited to a variety of alien environments?

Assuming that you're working for a government or equivalent body I'm guessing that you wouldn't get to tailor weapons for each new environment. You'd get a small handful of weapons designed to be as flexible and resilient as possible,

In addition to that as we're talking about explorers rather than combat troops they don't need to cover every possible role or niche. That's what soldiers are for.

Sticking to vaguely realistic possibilities rather than the PewPewPew 5000 laser blaster

>Primary: Something along the lines of reasonable full calibre rifle, you could even go full fudd and stick with a bolt/lever action (as said above, you're not there as combat infantry, you shouldn't need much more than this, sticking with a full power round because it should be able to handle the sort of thing you'd be expected to use a weapon for).

>Sidearm: Something simple, a future build of the 1911 should do the trick.

>Special: You shouldn't need this sort of thing, but if you want to go over the top give one guy a DMR, one guy a shotgun.

Did I miss anything?

Bow and arrow

sling

sword/axe/ club if you're feeling spicy

Bring mankinds savage past to the stars

>>331938

Your dick comes off?

>>331993

>.500 BMG

I sure hope this isn't a typo, Russia.

>>332002

Extra zero doesn't really add anything eh, it'd have to be a 5.0bmg instead.

>>332003

I don't think Browning comes in five inch artillery chambering.

>>331993

Source on .gif?

>>332007

8/k/

Some anti-ship missile testing. Which is to say, railgun doesn't mean shit, you have missiles that can tear open biggest hardest ships in just one hit.

Nugget and space suit with jets to keep me from flying back.

A nugget will work in space, I need to prove that in my lifetime.

>>331938

The way of man:

Explore new worlds, kill the natives and fuck their women. Or just rampantly have sex with all of them. Who's to stop you?

/r/ing the HFY cap about humanity's quest to fuck every alien in the galaxy.

Why not just have a reliablie semi-auto 8 gauge shotgun with an easily interchangable barrel system for switching between rifled and smoothbore? my only problem with this is capacity, maybe a good tube mag with one of those X-Rail things on it (don't know how good they are but meh) or a heavy duty drum like the AA-12. 8 gauge Slugs and shot should be able to deal with fucking anything you would need it to.

>>331993

A Russian I can respect.

With that said though gonna need it to be a Bullpup because,

1 "Fiddy" makes a gun stupidly long stupidly fast.

2. It's sci-fi as fuck.

>>332056

8 gauge doesn't perform anywhere near as good as something like .50 BMG while also committing the crime of being a specul snowfwake round that no one uses anymore (and even in it's heyday was only used but the richest people for "stopping" guns).

>>332071

I think Hungary has what we need.

>>331899

>CZ 452 for killing small game

>Type 64 for self-defense and medium game

>Type 06 grenades for anything the Type 64 alone can't kill

>Glock 22 for emergency Exterminatus

>>332106

I've always had a massive hardon for man-portable boltguns but I reckon there would be some issues regarding the explosive detonating before it is intended to.

Godspeed to the mad bastard brave enough to have a go at making this.

For a longarm, a full powered bolt rifle. Something with a simple, rugged, and reliable action - Mauser, or maybe even Mosin based. Full metal receiver, action, and internals, no polymer in any of the parts that will take a beating. Stock made of some sort of durable, reenforced polymer, simple peep sights, and a fairly short range fixed-zoom scope. Arm one with a stronger scope, to be a sort of DMR. Sidearms matter less than the main arm, just go with whatever the future equivalent of the Glock or 1911 are - something common, reliable, and affordable. Give some of them a select fire carbine as well, to lay down a greater volume of fire if need be. I don't know whether pistol or intermediate chambering is a better idea for the carbines.

To explain my reasoning: Bolt because of reliability. They're exploring a wide variety of environments, and semi-autos don't perform well in the cold. Below freezing point, those gasses don't pack as much of a punch as they need to reliably cycle an action, and the colder it gets, the more likely they are to fail. Full powered ammunition because you never know what sorts of xenos you'll encounter. Some of them might be very large, and have very thick skin or dense shells that will be difficult to penetrate. The need for a rugged and simple action should be obvious, you want durability and reliability over anything else. Polymer stock is because it's better suited to a wider variety of environments than wood, and a receiver (and other parts) without polymer because polymer doesn't like extreme cold. You definitely don't want a polymer receiver or some polymer internal cracking if you shoot/drop your rifle in some ultra cold alien ice world. Peep sights because they're simple, don't get damaged easily, and are only intended to be a backup in case the scope breaks so something more complicated isn't needed. As for the scope, something simple and durable without any electric nonsense is likely a better option than a modern illuminated complex scope with a bunch of fancy stuff that might break.

>>332071

Due to round size it's gonna be pretty hard to make it a bullpup. I mean having to fully extend arm to reach for the trigger doesn't sound very well designed.

>>332216

They're mitigated the same way explosive shells are made not to detonate inside the barrel. Or even the same way underbarrel grenades do it.

>>331899

>If you were sent off on a research expedition through the stars, what sort of firearm would you want to be equipped with? What sort of firearm would be best suited to a variety of alien environments?

-2real4fun mode: I would not get any firearm I want unless I'm an explorer from the Neosovyet Union that was issued an emergency gyrojet pistol, robots and probes have already been sent to scout for any hostile xeno and there is none to be found. If there is any other lifeform with appreciable sentience they're long dead. Any weapons would be makeshift melee types at best. The only tangible enemy out there are extreme conditions, intense radiation, space madness from isolation or some other space explorers gone space loco.

-2real but holyshit there's gold\platinum \helium3 in thar them space hills mode:

Probably whatever the space mining mega consortium security contract specifies. Depends on how off the books the agreement is too I guess. If I'm just a simple surveyor or field tech, probably a space grade shotgun or space mauser bolt rifle. Otherwise a spaceAR15 type or spaceAK, it doesn't matter much since I'll be throwing it away from an airlock when my 'cargo' transport is nearing the safezone space harbor.

-fuckyeah John Carter of Mars mode:

Muh 6 shooter, a bandolier and belt of ammo, an arkansas toothpick, and a field modified cavalry sabre.

For the man going to the stars, there is no such thing as overkill. As such, the primary long arm of the Space /k/orps will be a .308 rifle, bullpup, high capacity. Bullets will be HE-AP by default. For closer quarters, teams will be outfitted with 4 of the 5 members being issued .50 AE SMGs, with the last man being issued a 10-gauge automatic shotgun and a variety of different rounds.

In the field, long range engagements will be primarily taken care of by a battery of remotely operated howitzers. In cases that require more precision than a saturation bombardment, a 25mm rifle will be used. At intermediate distances where your primary long arm is insufficient, artillery is too imprecise, and a sniper team is not readily available, the job of target elimination falls of the squad's designated marksman who shall be equipped with a .50 caliber rifle with settings for semiautomatic fire as well as a 2-round burst.

If suppression is required, the automatic rifleman will be equipped with a .458 machine gun that is open-bolt and belt fed. For dealing with targets in heavy cover, a designated grenadier will have an underbarrel 3-round revolver-style grenade launcher, 50mm, capable of launching a variety of munitions.

All personnel be issued 10mm select fire handguns, HE ammo is standard. All personnel will be issued heavily armored pressure suits fitted with powered exoskeletons. All personnel will be issued a multi-use combat knife/bayonet made of a tungsten/titanium alloy. All personnel in active combat roles will be issued 2 high explosive grenades, 1 incendiary grenade, and 1 smoke grenade.

When man goes to the stars, he will take them by force.

>>332254

>>332216

What I'm suggesting is essentially a Russian Balkan grenade launcher, with a sustainer motor.

So it already exists in a way.

>>332113

Yes. I nearly spent 1/3 of my yearly income on one. I came to realize that my A-5 is also long recoil and I didn't want to be redundant.

>>331899

P90

Just like in my Stargate shows

>>331997 gets it

>>332041

Or the other option is to hook up one nugget in the front, and the other in the back with the trigger hooked up to the front trigger.

This is in order to allow for you to fire two shots simultaneously, whilst negating recoil Which would leave you spinning indefinitely in space at the same time.

>>332695

If you position them just right, the moments ought to cancel, i.e. if you hook the front and rear nuggets to both sides of your right shoulder - the front nugget would recoil to make you spin clockwise (from a bird's eye view) and the rear nugget would try and spin you anticlockwise.

Given ideal conditions, the two nuggets ought to exert the same force in opposite directions, thereby moment reactions about your centre of mass would be zero.

How big would the wild life be?

Life, as we currently know it, can range from bacteria sized to dinosaur sized.

So I need to know what sort of fauna I would be dealing with before deciding.

>>332216

WWII russian exploding "sniper" round.

http://guns.connect.fi/gow/QA15.html

Kevlar/nomex flight suit, a couple of peripherals to determine vitals (limb fractures, bleeding, puncture wounds, EKG monitors… etc)

For guns, I would carry one of the following combos:

1) A fuck huge (think at a minimum .338 Lapua ) rifle with a decent scope and a steady diet of exotic ammo. Secondary weapons of a shortened shotgun (Serbu Shorty short, with AP slugs), and a suppressed machine pistol along the lines of an MP9 or smaller (folding stock, pistol grip, foregrip, threading for suppressor)

This would be for someplace all desert-y or perhaps a few temperate forest type climates.

2) An upper mid-sized carbine. NOT 5.56, but something more like .45-70 or 308. Short and mag fed with a fun switch preferred. Optics required. Lasers a bonus. Expanding or explosive ammo required. Incendiary or APIT ammo is a bonus. Underslung grenade launcher also a must. Shotgun shell nades a bonus.

Sidearm would be an SMG along the lines of a PPSH. basically an LMG in a pistol caliber package and as small as possible. For grenades, I'd want something like an M14 or a bunch of M67s. Maybe WP.

This would be for jungles, because fuck jungles. FUCK jungles. And fuck reloading in jungles. And fuck not being able to light everything on fire.

3) Flame thrower, semi-auto mag fed shotgun (or a Milkor with the Beehive shells because fuck you and your mother you alien bastards) and a .45/9mm/.357 SIG handgun with APIT. Night vision goggles and a crate of goddamn glowsticks. As a backup, a Serbu shorty with AP slugs.

Caves. Anything that even remotely resembles a cave. A dark planet that doesn't have a normal daylight cycle.

4) the shortest, lightest possible LMG. Backup guns inclusive of a serbu shorty with APIT slugs, a P90, and fucking flood lights.

Marshes or swamps. Alien crocodiles need many boolit, or AP rounds.

5) a suppressed, short length, intermediate carbine, with an underslung grenade launcher, preferably in .300BLK and a 13.7"~ barrel, with a CQB type optic, and access to both subs and supers. Side arm of a threaded CZ-75 or CZ P-09.

Space pirates. Boarding and repelling boarders.

Fucking cunts.

Basically, I intend to prioritize armor penetration and volume of fire as much as possible, and if all else fails, I will literally kill it with fire.

I'd hate to encounter some kind of carnivorous alien rhino skinned dinosaur and be shooting it with a 5.56 carbine or even a .308.

Teams work in a minimum of two guys, with one guy shooting high volume of fire to give other guy time to pull out big scary hole puncher, or serbu.

>Firearm

For me that means something that doesn't involve pressure or the variables with gunpowder.

Advanced version of this: http://unitednuclear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=27_82 I guess, unless the planet has a flammable atmosphere or something.

>>332786

why an LMG?

>>333151

>Those ergonomics

I got arthritis and carpal tunnel just looking at it.

>>332788

>Rookie has fingerless gloves

>ODST body armor is supposed to be vacuum-sealed

That has always been the one thing about ODST that pissed me off.

>>333151

So you'd bring a Thompson smg with a bunch of plastic glued to it?

>>333240

A rookie who fought off covent kill teams by himself

>>331899

ever read Old Man's War? one of those rifles

>>333144

This article does a better job of selling it than I ever could:

http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/2014/10/24/st-george-arms-introduces-new-lightweight-bullpup-50-semiauto/

Gun Jesus also did an interview with the designer, embed related.

By all accounts it's a good design, but the designer is fucking cursed. Nine years and three manufacturers later, and it still hasn't entered mass-production yet.

>>333140

High volume of fire against dense vegetation and wet terrain. I also expect that I might encounter something, frankly snake or reptile like.

And those would be hard to hit. I'm probably going to be on a vehichle, hopefully (a boat of some kind) so the weight is worth it to deal with basically all the fucking shit I might meet in a swamp. In that one case I prioritize volume of fire over immediate AP concerns, because I feel like I run the risk of encountering things more like say, lots of insects (big ones) or lots of snakes (big ones) and I'd rather be able to just blast the fuck out of an area where something could be hiding in mud or water than try to get a clean AP shot on a hard to ID target.

Especially given dense canopy or lots of hard to traverse, muddy terrain. I'd rather be able to keep up continuous volume of fire while moving.

>>333346

That's a pretty reasonable price to say the least AND Gun Jesus interviewed the designer, It's definitely on my list now.

>>333240

I always liked the MA5 more tbh fam, most xenos would be unlikely to be energy shielded and carrying 7.62 REAL FUCKIN would be easier than carrying 9.5x40mm

>>334285

Do you have a lifetime supply of antimatter to power that rape cannon? Anyway I still would rather have a cybernetic body. My real body might get fucking destroyed by native diseases, and I may not be able to eat anything. The cybernetic body should have artificial organs in it to synthesize ATP or some other energetic molecule just from any sort of biomass I eat.

>>334285

The point of this thread is to come up with a solution that doesn't rely on some nonexistent, arbitrarily powerful wunderwaffe, because that's fucking lazy as hell and takes all the fun out of it.

>>334306

Also it helps if it's actually in the realm of scientific possibility to make such a weapon. As I said before he'd need antimatter for that much power in a small package.

>>334304

Sure, antimatter. Does it matter? We're talking scifi here.

Cybernetic body would be great, but only if I can keep my mind intact in case the body gets utterly destroyed. Also, long-term maintenance will be a bitch - Raiden had Doktor and all of his resources to maintain him between fights. I can't see that body lasting over years of abuse in the field.

besides, think of how miserable and shitty that metal-on-flesh will be once you're in a cold environment.

>>334306

Interstellar travel also relies on some nonexistent, arbitrarily powerful wunderwaffe. And the notion that you'll be encountering planets with hostile life is possibly even more absurd.

That said, probably either an FN FAL or a Saiga 12 if we're talking IRL gunz. Select-fire, either case, if Saiga even does that.

>>334513

why the hell would they make a robot version of Ted Cruz?

>>333363

LMGs are for suppressive fire bro, takes too long to reload to fight vs animals.

Maybe a mag fed LMG like the RPK could do this, but I'm still not sure.

>>334545

>takes too long to reload

100+ rounds ready to feed into the gun, when every other gun has a 30 round mag and mags that carry more than that are malfunction making devises 99.9% of the time.

Can have an infinite capacity by combining links so you DON'T have to reload the gun proper.

Even if you do have to do a full reload it doesn't take that long, especially if it had a setup like the Colt CMG-3.