/k/ - Weapons

>>333910

>First pic

Enjoy your short suspension travel, the awful angle approach and departure angle and having no proper lights.

>Second one

Unnecessarily heavy, unless you plan on doing urban raids or dealing with direct combat (I don't see why you would), having an armored vehicle will simply have a negative effect on your fuel consumption and overall autonomy. The weight can also lead you to getting stuck in thick mud or sand more easily.

>The third

With the exception of those living on a battle zone in middle east, that's not a good idea.

>>333940

I feel like horses would be more effort then they're worth. They'd need food, water, and shelter. They'd get fatigued or sick. I figure in a situation where government and financial institutions collapse and its general anarchy just hoarding and collecting fuel would be easy enough.

>>333942

That's all outstanding. I'd pick a Samurai with a 2.0TDI engine myself because that's more accessible and the engine offers really good fuel consumption to torque ratio. Some people around here have the done the engine swap and it works pretty damn well.

Unfortunately, there aren't many small and lightweight trucks.

The unimog is god-tier, but they are awfully expensive here.

>>333938

good points, but armored vehicles would be useful for going bandit and preying on anybody dumb enough to still be using the roads

then you could quickly amass a stock of weapons, supplies and spare parts and go bush in something more suited for the task

>>333945

Yeah here in the US landrover defenders are expensive and hard to come buy, for you won't find one in decent shape for less the 45,000 US buckeroos doesn't make my dick any less hard when I see them though

>>333947

Really? I feel like road pillaging would be better as just going Taliban and setting road traps/bombs. Not that I object to Aussland literally turning into Mad Max when the happening comes.

>>333945

Also I forgot to add one of the cool things about those early Jeeps is they were so light that if they got stuck literally 3-4 guys could practically pick it up and carry it out, and if it flipped 1-2 guys could turn it back over.

>>333949

That's true, I just suppose so many people are completely oblivious to stuff dealing with animal husbandry in our modern world not to mention those working breeds not being so common as they used to I imagine?

>>333951

seems like it would be painfully slow, but if your just using it as a base camp and only moving when you need to it'd be a decent pick

even when it breaks down it'll make a great bandit proof sleeping/storage space

>>333940

horses are too much work tbh, I'd take a bicycle over a horse

>>333945

a unimog would be the bomb for just about any environment

>>333950

>Really? I feel like road pillaging would be better as just going Taliban and setting road traps/bombs

i think the idea is to steal their stuff not blow it into a million pieces along with them

>>333955

I don't mean big explosives, like something powerful enough just to ruin the tires and pepper them with some light shrapnel? Or maybe just spike traps or road barricade or bait or something.

>>333956

true, but that kind of thing is going to be commonplace and if you have an armored vehicle you can travel around with much less risk of other bandits being able to do the same thing to you that you are doing to everybody else

>>333959

I suppose if you were fixing to be king of the roads you'd nigger rig armor onto your vehicles and stuff, but you'd be sorta restricted to roads and flatland which I guess in Australia isn't so restrictive at all.

>>333947

You want to avoid roads and confrontation altogether unless you have a group of people to fight along with you. I don't know how many movies you have watched, but 1 or 2 fuckers against a mob of criminals is certain death. Bugging out is always plan A (again, unless you're part of a large group like a militia or whatever).

>>333950

A 90s Defender goes for 16,000-18,000 ameribucks. A 2005-2009 model is around U$S30,000 and anything close to new skyrockets to US$60,000.

>>333952

Yeah, I heard about that. I have been thinking about a lightweight jeep using the "new" 1.6 diesel engine Mercedes is using on the Vito. That thing would be light enough and with more power than you could possibly want to get through anything out there. Plus, the fuel consumption is ridiculously low, even on the high drag box shaped utilitarian that weights about 2.5ton, imagine what it could do with a small frontal area vehicle that weights about 1 ton?

>>333959

Unless you're rolling on tracks, chances are there is very little you can do to keep people from fucking over your mobility.

Again, SHTF=Mobility>>>>Defense. You stay away from the roads, you stay away from people, you avoid unnecessary fires (so the smoke doesn't give away your position),

>>333962

Yeah, the defenders stopped getting sold in the US like 10 years ago maybe more. As a result newer models can't even be imported until they're 10 years old or maybe older. Personally I couldn't justify buying a defender since I live in a semi-urban and generally flat area of the US although hopefully I'll move somewhere where a off road vehicle is more justifiable eventually. Also yeah a car that small with an engine that big would be pretty effective.

>>333963

Really? That's pretty cool, I remember one time my friend told me she visited family in Calabria in Italy and they still used Donkeys for a good amount of things.

>>333967

second pic what is breed of dog?

>>333969

Is that a picture of Poland from the future?

>>333949

Is there a difference between coldblooded and warmblooded or hotblooded horses?

>>334028

Overrated as fuck.

>>333969

>>333981

imagine modern hussars on harley-davidsons with tactical armor, RPG-29s and lever shotguns

;_;

Toyota pickup. Preferably a crew cab, short bed, 4x4 with minor modifications, likely improvised door armor, an attachment point in the bed for pintle mounted weapons, and the usual off road armor & lights. Nothing really special.

It'll only be slightly less low key than an amored vehicle in full battle rattle, but pickups will be king in situations that require a light, fast vehicle that can be versatile enough for anything imaginable. It's the insurgents', survivalists', and SOFs' favorite tool for a reason.

For anything really low key any small car will do, such as going into city environments that may be compromised on security and you don't want to stand out amongst the crowd.

>>333945

Hell, I'd take a samurai too as a quick way to get around, but not something to live out of. Otherwise, a fantastic vehicle. Too bad it stopped being imported to the United States.

>>333964

A bit longer than that sadly. You'll have to import it when the vehicle turns 25 years old, no less.

>>334028

Was just wondering the same thing. It's pretty much the default answer, which s why I put it as mine. Is that improvised blast armor I see underneath it?

>>334039

I believe the armor is legitimate

http://www.armsvos.cz/en/armouring/

>>334031

How so?

it just werks :^)

>>333910

Nice narcotank there, m8

Also

>Using motorized vehicles

>In a post-shtf enviroment

>Ever

Good luck getting fuel.

>>334054

older diesels would be best post SHTF since many can be converted to run on motor oil or vegetable oil after being filtered and blended with with lighter oils to achieve the correct viscosity

but oil would certainly keep flowing post SHTF, just look at the illegal oil refineries in Africa or Syria

>>334057

>older diesels would be best post SHTF since many can be converted to run on motor oil or vegetable oil after being filtered and blended with with lighter oils to achieve the correct viscosity

I actually didn't had any idea of that.

>but oil would certainly keep flowing post SHTF, just look at the illegal oil refineries in Africa or Syria

Yet it would be harder to get, I guess. I really doubt to find some Texaco being run by a bunch of nigerians or kebabs after the collapse.

>>334060

Having a nice SHTF truck is good for those of us in urban/suburban environments where you can't just grab your rifle and go innawoods. If you just need to drive 15-30 minutes to get to somewhere to hold up base then fuel won't be a problem.

>>333952

American motors made a m151 mighty mite (think I got the designation right) which was so light as it was designed to be paradropped

>>334098

>>334098

>If we're just indulging in mad max fantasies though, why has nobody suggested pic related?

Because it's too slow and heavy. It would be actually useful to break barricades and defensive constructions -if the defenders lack RPG's, recoiless guns or IED's, obviously.

>>334050

Jeep xj Cherokee: The official car of the apocalypse.

The amc inline 6 is a fucking indestructible engine.

>>334062

Really old diesels with mechanical fuel metering (or carbed gas engines with points ignition) will work post emp as there are no electronics to break.

>>334054

>Good luck getting fuel.

Wood gas generators are viable as long as you have biomass to gasify.

>>334113

>SCUDs and GRADs

>>334043

Cause he's a faggot.

Shit is constantly hitting the fan in the middle east and what vehicle do you see most often? Fucking Toyotas, it's already a proven vehicle. slap a GPMG or something on it and you're golden.

>>334131

Good to see that it's a proven concept. If it works against Shlomo, it will work against a bandit hideout, too.

>>334129

Seriously though buffel.

>>334108

the amc straight 6 and the ford vulcan engine are both well known for being reliable as fuck, but jeeps in my experience are a lot more touchy than the fords. good luck finding a new cps in the apocalypse

>>333939

hey that's a good commercial, I'm sold

>>334060

what is with those tires?

a bike with a removable/optional small engine would be good.

>>334160

>a bike with a removable/optional small engine would be good.

Just stick a lawnmower engine to a bike, fam. YT is full of a wide array of examples.

>>333910

If i ever hit the lottery, I'm going to get either one of these vehicles.

>>334177

>>334161

yeah, there are a lot of commercial options too

http://www.bikemotorkit.com/

>>334043

>How so?

First of all, I didn't say it was a bad truck, just that it is overrated. Every single diesel pick up out there performs about the same and its about as reliable (with some exceptions here and there). Right now, buying a Hilux over an Amarok would be retarded.

>>334060

>>334054

>Fuel automatically banishes in the air as soon as the S hits the F

You're supposed to fill a tank, get a handful of extra tanks, go far innawoods and stop using your vehicle unless it is necessary. Some of this diesel trucks can do 1000 kms on a single tank, I'd say 2 spare tanks should be enough to keep you going if needed until society gets its shit back together (which will happen inevitably if we ever get to an actual serious SHTF).

Also, carrying a bike on the back of your truck is not a bad idea; relying sorely on a bike wouldn't work all that well, your carrying capacity is very low, you don't have a transportable shelter and you have no alternative locomotion option besides your legs. A truck could be left behind if needed, the bike could work as a backup.

>>334098

>I live about 20 minutes walk from about as close as the UK gets to wilderness

But other people would do that too, there are lower chances of finding people if you go further inside the wilderness and there is no better -viable- way of doing that than with a good 4x4.

>>334177

Looks like something that would do 10 miles before having to re-fuel (that's an exaggeration, but it really doesn't look like a low fuel consumption vehicle).

>>334129

>I don't think there's a commercial vehicle which can do as well.

That's the overrated part. Hilux are a plague here, I do off-road (beach dunes, mud, etc) and Hilux break just as much as any other similar diesel truck.

>>334119

>what vehicle do you see most often

What other similar trucks do they have?

>>334226

>Lada Niva

That's a great hull that just needs a better engine and a better gearbox to get outstanding performance. Very lightweight and compact, great suspension design, reasonably good angle of approach from factory (even with the small tires it comes with).

The stock engine (a 1.3 gas based on a Fiat engine) offers lousy performance, not enough torque at low RPM and the stock gearbox vibrates like a motherfucker on third gear and when going above 100km/h. There is a diesel version, but those aren't common here.

>>334222

Well I suppose the vehicle would be for more bugging out and hunkering down somewhere instead of long distance travel.

>>334249

>don't handle well on ice or in mud

>because they have gotten so light

That's why you keep a couple of bags of sand in the bed, just above the rear axle.

The extra weight helps with traction, and if you do get stuck, you have it on hand.

you can also always stockpile tons of fuel once fuel stabilizers are added for up to 3-5 years, which there isn't much excuse not to do when gas is below $2/gal

>>334062

depends on where you live as far as difficulty of getting fuel, wouldn't be hard in places like oklahoma or texas which have tons of oil wells all over the place

also as long as you have any light oil to reduce the viscosity of motor oil and lower flash point you can easily make blended diesel fuel, used motor oil would not be hard to find post-SHTF although you would need to make filtration systems to remove possible contaminants >>334249

>Something I've noticed is that more recent pickups, last 15 years or so, don't handle well on ice or in mud. Maybe because they have gotten so light.

lol, cars/trucks have actually gotten a lot heavier

i think its due to shittier drivers due to over reliance on ABS and traction control

>>334062

>depends on where you live as far as difficulty of getting fuel, wouldn't be hard in places like oklahoma or texas which have tons of oil wells all over the place

meant for

>>334062

>>334233

I remember back in the early 80s a few Nivas were showcased here in Canada as premier offroad vehicles.

Their wheels could do weird things, and completely vowed the crowds by crossing terrain previously thought uncrossable.

>>334039

>Toyota pickup. Preferably a crew cab, short bed, 4x4 with minor modifications, likely improvised door armor, an attachment point in the bed for pintle mounted weapons, and the usual off road armor & lights. Nothing really special.

fuck this if you live in the US, severe frame rot with Toyotas and lack of parts

>>334292

They are, I love the Samurai, but they aren't as common here. I currently own a 2.0TDI Vitara, the Samurai is even smaller.

I heard the chasis doesn't handle twisting as well as the Niva, but for reasonable off-roading and SHTF bugging out it should be more than enough.

The stock engine isn't great either, but it is leaps and bounds better than what the Niva has inside (and both the gear box and transmission shaft are actually good/good enough).

>>334440

Yeah, the Delica is 4WD.

>>334019

coldblooded are big motherfuckers for lifting and hauling warmblooded are small and agile for riding

>>334319

solar power is extremaly shit

You dont need dam to make water power plant

>>334271

>there isn't much excuse not to do when gas is below $2/gal

Oh, look at the burger with his comically low fuel price! My bike and boots look a lot more sensible when you're dealing with fuel priced at something a little closer to $7/gal.

>>333910

on my bicycle.No, really.

>>334449

We're from a mostly non-socialist country so our dollars are worth more, so "2/gal gas" is worth more in comparison.

>>334459

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%C2%A31+in+%24&oq=%C2%A31+in+%24&aqs=chrome..69i57.4374j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Try again burger bro, the pound is currently valued at $1.45 to £1. Your dollar is worth £0.69,

>>334468

>.co.uk

Wikipedia is more reliable than your state sponsored websites

in all seriousness, have you ever considered that your "muh healthcare" might raise your taxes on everything?

>>333910

>supervisor skellington optical periscope

noice

>>334031

new ones are, so that's why ISIS stopped ordering the 2015 models

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>>334433(Checked)

It could be turned into a mobile pimp-mobile, and you could sell yourself to desperate soldiers

>>334470

Of course it does, even you can see that, however that wasn't the point I was making in either post.

>>334449

>when you're dealing with fuel priced at something a little closer to $7/gal.

That is entirely due to your nanny state, and with oil set to remain about $40/bbl or less for a very long time, even Saudi Arabia could entirely pull out of the market and not cause a supply drop enough to cause $70/bbl or $3/gal again now that Venezuela and Iran are re-entering the global oil market

The US also has much larger distances to travel where bicycles just aren't applicable for a lot of it, and realistically speaking nothing short of a full scale strategic nuclear war would stop global fuel supplies for 6+ months in a SHTF scenario, in which case Britfags would have little chance of survival anyway

>>334028

Yeah, a Toyta Hilux, maybe add a mount for a pintle mount for an m240 you loot of the gubermint, throw a bumper on it and a few spare Jerry cans of fuel. A winch would be good too

>>334709

You could attempt to make room for a few more occupants, and turn it into a micro-APC

>>334733

Put on armor until it becomes T-32 huehuehuehue

You people really make me wish more than 12 of us post on /o/ I like talking cars.

>>334709

Or Litvin bro, just keep glorious traktor and grow potato and make vodka and sell it in the wastelands

>>334709

Strap 1 or 2 recoiless guns, put some armor and MG's, and there you go.

It could also work on Killdozers and wheel loaders.

>>334269

I did that with my newest, 200 lbs of sandbags and 160 of iron (not real safe). Didn't help. But it's still a good tip. Maybe I'm just butthurt that my old heavy truck died.

>>334271

I'm not finding shit for info on weights. ABS has gotten better in recent years, but damn I don't want it.

>>334737

>You start it by firing a shotgun shell with a hammer

Thread over, /k/ needs a fleet of these glorious machines.

>>334135

>Implying you didn't repeat the same thing twice

>>334737

>>334709

>>334739

>>334746

Kiwis and Commies already got you covered:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Semple_tank

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NI_Tank

what about scooters? are they sturdy enough?

>>335088

>>335089

Just so you guys are aware, all those pictures are of w123s

>>334043

That's pretty sweet!

>>334296

IIRC was only a problem with first gen Tacomas, and Toyota has their offer up of replacing the entire frame with adequate rust proofing if need be.

I'm not sure where you live, but in the Southwest where I'm at, there's so many of them running around that you can go five minutes in any direction and find at least one of them in any city, suburb, etc. Plus they're easy as hell to maintain–One side of the family switched from Chevys in the early 90s to an all Toyota fleet because they just keep running.

The only issue I have with Tacomas is that they command a high price and as such, are a status symbol, as much as the new 4 door Wranglers are, in my opinion. Still, I'd like to pick up one soon as my first truck.

>>334896

I'd want a motorcycle too, if I didn't have to help support a small group of people if things go down. But for solo runs there isn't a better option.

>>334997

surplus market wheeeennn

>>335088

There was one for sale in LA not too long ago; It was the Shahs' former car, still having the appropriate stickers and door armor inside. It'd been kept inside a garage until about 6 months ago, when they put it up for sale.

>>336296

>IIRC was only a problem with first gen Tacomas, and Toyota has their offer up of replacing the entire frame with adequate rust proofing if need be.

They have replaced most of them but its still a rust prone frame simply due to design and isn't as strong as most others

> Plus they're easy as hell to maintain–One side of the family switched from Chevys in the early 90s to an all Toyota fleet because they just keep running.

That has a lot to do with the limited engine selection for the Tacoma, as to why they're mostly reliable, GM and Ford also have a variety of very reliable engines/transmissions but that doesn't apply to all and you have to know what you're buying. For example GM trucks equipped with a 350 or 454 and a TH400/4L80E transmission are extremely reliable, but trucks with the 700R4/4L60E transmission may not be. The 4.3 Vortec engine and T5 5spd transmission are also reliable, as is the 4.6 Modular Ford engine and AOD/4R70W transmission. Toyota reliability has largely become a meme due to Hiluxes in the middle east which are a completely different design than US Tacomas, also Hilux trucks sold in the MENA market had carburetors and distributors new until the last few years or still do, which makes them easier to service without electronics and explains some of the reliability, Tacomas on the other hand are just as complicated as any American truck and have just as many problems, they make less power than most too.

>The only issue I have with Tacomas is that they command a high price and as such, are a status symbol, as much as the new 4 door Wranglers are, in my opinion.

lol, i wouldn't really consider either a status symbol by any means

>>336382

>those are gullwing doors

I'm afraid you're mistaken. Those doors on the Rolls Royce are called "huggy doors" because it looks like the car wants to give you a hug when all of the doors are open.

The doors on a Delorean are called suicide doors because one can tie a noose on them and hang himself like that. And that's precisely why Johnny Zed designed those doors to open like that: it was an exit plan for in case he had more trouble selling the car than an overweight, worn-out, 50 year old Albanian woman had selling her body.

>>336408

pre-95 they're a lot closer but not the same, US models, except for 85 the US models had no solid axle front suspension and limited slip was never an option which made them shit for offroading

http://www.brian894x4.com/Hiluxdifferences.html

>>336443

not sure if trolling or stupid

> Those doors on the Rolls Royce are called "huggy doors" because it looks like the car wants to give you a hug when all of the doors are open.

That's a Lincoln, not a Rolls Royce you mongoloid, and the term "suicide doors" is used to refer to Lincolns most commonly by far.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:1960s_Lincoln_Continental_convertible_with_suicide_doors_open.jpg

>>336452

Oh no, you have clearly erred: that's definitely a Rolls Royce mocked up to look like a Lincoln. It would seem that you are long overdue for an appointment with the optometrist.

by the way

>trusting wikipedia to tell you if the car you're looking at is a Lincoln or a dishwasher

You know that people can outright edit any information on that site without anybody vetting it, right? I mean, it's because of wikipedia that people think a certain village in central Europe was founded in 1337 and not 1336 because a junior high schooler was jacking about with his buddies in a computer lab.

>>336443

noticed its satire now that i actually read through the post, too used to just skimming threads