5d0cc3 No.336534
Bulgaria has an obsession with nade launchers that is unhealthy, and a bubba gun as a standard weapons.
Nice SMGs though
fdf0b6 No.336551
>>336534
How does the Lavina work?
39957b No.336561
British small arms suck.
it had to be said
202976 No.336578
>>336551
I imagine it's mechanically similar to this one.
3fd69a No.336581
Australia is underrepresented in small arms design considering our population.
d7df8d No.336593
>>336581
mainly because you're industrial-grade savages. look at what you think a shotgun is.
also, japan. after the apparently adequate type 64, they thought an AR-18 with an 8k USD unit price was acceptable, especially when it's not even as good as howa's AR-18s.
and, the nostalgic idiots here in the US responsible for the EBR. fucking loons.
d7df8d No.336596
>>336593
The british outlawed good ideas sometime in the eighties, as evidenced by their rapid decline from a 6/10 nation to -4/10 gravel patch. japan managed to take an uzil gal design and ruin it by deciding billet aluminum is a great idea for a stamped expedient machine pistol, and of course, you don't need to even design a buttstock or provisions to mount a buttstock on it. the japanese male is strong and hardy, look at how powerful their decreased loads of 7.62 NATO are! they're almost as strong as an american child!
3cbb5a No.336600
>>336596
What the good god damn is going on with the gun in the second pic?
It looks like some retarded MAC-10 prototype.
shitipedia says it's some Japshit based on Israelshit designs.
d5f356 No.336602
US
>I wonder what a GOOD gun would be like, I'd buy that for a hundred million dollars.
>What, you thought we were serious? No, we're not paying for that, we were being hypothetical.
>Let's stick to the Garand / M14 / M16
Russia
>What if we made EVERYTHING?
>Make everything or we'll have you shot.
>AKM / AK-74 is fine, just put rails on it.
>>336600
could try reading the post instead of wasting your get on a stupid question
3cbb5a No.336603
>>336602
>could try reading the post instead of wasting your get on a stupid question
Too stupid to not ask stupid questions, sorry.
65bde1 No.336613
Russians only have three ways of making guns
>let's make another fucking AK
>let's make an antimateriel personal weapon
>let's design some really weird shit that trumps even germans and release it in insultingly small quantities AND NEVER SELL IT TO ANYONE
>>336602
>let's stick to M16
I'm still asshurt someone thought that buffer tube design is a great idea.
acc6c0 No.336614
>>336613
>muh folding stock.
65bde1 No.336615
>>336614
>any sort of impact that damages the tube
>gun becomes bolt-action
d5f356 No.336630
>>336613
>buffer tube
It shortens the required length of the gun, but then you have the giant tube sticking out the back.
The LR-300 generally fixed it, but nobody liked it enough to copy the design.
>>336614
>>336615
Yeah, it's the Sturmgewehr all over again, but with a slightly more durable stock.
The bigger problem is that if it's damaged and doesn't function normally, you won't even be able to cycle it manually.
53511c No.336631
>>336630
> sticking out of the back
> it's the stock
yeah what an awful waste of cleaning kit space
the big buffer system is part of why the AR shoots so smooth
d5f356 No.336632
>>336631
>Talk shit about guns of other nations thread
>gets mad that his nation's gun is talked down upon
Come on, Anon, it's even a legitimate weakness in both overall size and durability.
287628 No.336634
>>336602
>AKM / AK-74 is fine, just put rails on it.
Rifle is fine.
d5f356 No.336636
>>336634
Poland uses leftover scraps from the last war and occasionally modifies them.
65bde1 No.336638
Since we're talking shit about guns, whose bright fucking idea was dust cover on AK? I mean, sure, it allows for quick gun takedown but it ultimately fucked everyone over when it comes to installing any sort of optics. Fucking retarded, even though new one seems to be fixing it.
>>336636
Speaking of which, what does Poland actually use?
d5f356 No.336640
>>336638
I assume it's a combination of its ease-of-access and a holdover from the side-mounted scope for the Mosin Nagant.
>what does Poland actually use?
Modified AK-74, the Beryl, chambered in 5.56.
Supposedly they might be switching to the Radom MSBS, which was actually developed in Poland, and probably the first standard issue rifle they've ever developed on their own from scratch.
088606 No.336642
>>336640
Huh, I expected them to use some actual NATO stuff rather than a converted AK. Well, good for them.
94b3dd No.336651
>>336640
Poland actually uses a variety of stuff, not too long ago there were pictures of SF units carrying HK416, 7.62x39 AK and their own 5.56 AK all of that on the same picture. I'm pretty sure I've seen some 7.62x51 rifle somewhere too.
I guess they will try to unify their stuff even more after the sewing machine company gets their shit together with the MSBS.
62a749 No.336659
US
>let's make a new service rifle!
>what's that company x? your mediocre rifle is going to make jobs in the states of every senatorial committee member?
>and the senior officers of the military's board reviewing the weapon will get high-paying consulting jobs at your company?
>but your rifle is being outperformed by company y's entry, and the grunts like it better?
>don't worry, we've got some new, more accurate tests for the entries
>and what the fuck do grunts know about a good rifle anyway?
UK
>well, we're in with the yanks. let's follow their bullshit
>and to do that, we'll redesign our service rifle three times
>we need to save money, so we'll give the production contract to a factory that knows its closing after the job
>fuck it, we'll let the guys who lost the war fix it up
France
>let's make a completely proprietary service rifle on completely proprietary rounds!
>let's back out of that decision and refit all of our rifles with new internals so they'll accept STANAGS and normal ammo!
Germany
>ha ha, we're so innovative!
20 years later
>what the fuck is thermodynamics?
>fuck it, this new one's so innovative! ha ha!
15 years later
>what the fuck is thermodynamics?
Russia
>tovarishch, i'm havings idea! lets rechamber Kalashnikov in western caliber so our men are sneaky
>net, rifle is fine
>what if we develop plastic stock and handguard like amerikanski so we can make rifle without need of many wood?
>NET, RIFLE IS FINE
>now that we are no longer at war with west, lets add rail to rifle so soldiers can use in special conditi-
>RIFLE IS FINE. YOU WILL BE SHOT FOR SUBVERSION, AMERIKAN SPY
Brazil
>HUE HUE HUE HUE HUE
>HUE HUE HUE
>HUE?
>HUE!
>HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUE!
Japan
Belgium
>the Germans are out-Jewing us in small arms!
>quick! let's offer American generals consulting jobs!
>but that would make our guns worse when they demand to offer input!
>you're right. just make a carbine and give it an edgy name, then market it to SOCOM
d5f356 No.336662
>>336651
>SF units
They use whatever they want, standard issue typically doesn't apply to SF.
94b3dd No.336666
>>336662
Their military literally bought small batches of weapon and spread them around. Not every SF gets what they want, some are just handed down stuff; That was poland SF.
25d7ab No.336679
>>336659
Russia is more like
>tovarisch, let's make rifle of kalashnikov in new caliber
>no, we already have shit ton of rifle of kalashnikov and don't want to replace them all with slightly better rifle, make a new rifle
>what if we put plastic furniture on kalashnikov
>WHAT ABOUT YOU MAKING NEW RIFLE
>now look, what if we put rails on kalashnikov so the soldiers will buy sights with their own money
>YOPTVOYUMAT MAKE A NEW FUCKING RIFLE ALREADY STOP PUTTING RAILS ON A MUSKET
>OKAY OKAY I MADE YOU A NEW RIFLE JUST SHUT UP ALREADY AND GIVE US MONEY WE NEED TO PAY WORKERS
>Nah, we don't want it because it's not an AK
fdf0b6 No.336697
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>Colt sells us their shitty AR15s while giving Canada the good shit
4cdb2e No.336698
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>336694
Your guns suck, your country sucks, Hitler sucks and you should feel bad
fdf0b6 No.336699
>>336679
>TOVARISCH
>STAY WITH OF MES WITH THIS TOVARISCH
>WHAT IF
>WE MADE KALASHNIKOV
>BUT ONLY LOOK "SIMILAR" TO KALASHNIKOV
33bc7b No.336701
>>336698
>You should feel bad because:
>The place you were born in is bad
>The things you like are bad
>Some guy who died long before you were born was a douche
/pol/ please go
a84f3a No.336702
Germany engineering is the most overrated, over-engineered shit in the world and their guns were no different and is way overcosted.
The Borchardt is an ugly son of a bitch gun, the P08 grip angle feels unnatural, the Mauser C96 is retarded in how much a piece of shit a pistol could actually be and the stg44 is for people who worship a dead failed faggot of an artist. It took an engineer who wanted to make agricultural engineer, of a country that could not feed it's own citizens for several decades, to make the long stroke gas piston of the stg44 to work well. This is coming from a country that decided it's not a good idea to actually try to make it's own future children intelligent, because it's easier to just import geniuses.
088606 No.336703
>>336702
In defense of C96, it could be a pretty good SMG if not for the >clip
Otherwise I'm going to agree on majority of german stuff.
dd6336 No.336704
>>336703
Believe it or not the M712 didn't use stripper clips, had 20 round magazines.
Its problem was the RoF. 900+ was a very very bad idea.
088606 No.336706
>>336704
Wait, there was a version with mags? Well, serves me right for being an uneducated twat.
Still
>900+ RPM
That's just ludicrous. Even fucking PPSh had less and that thing was intended to have 72-round drums.
fdf0b6 No.336708
>>336706
M712 was neat, but it obviously had flaws. There was a carbine version, however I don't know too much about it.
424b3a No.336714
>>336638
>>336640
>>336651
>>336666
regular army uses only Beryls, Mini-Beryl SBRs and modified PKMs
reserve units use AKMS, Rak SMGs, PKMs and SVDs
special forces have loads of guns. GROM guys like to buy toys and play around with them. among them there are MP5s, P90s, Beryls, HK416, F2000, G36, Sako TRG-22, CheyTac M200 and - wait for it - DESERT EAGLE not kidding you
dd6336 No.336716
>>336706
Yeah the 712 was magfed, the Spaniards who made it saw the clusterfuck of trying to load a 20 rounder with clips Anyone who has those god awful 20 round SKS chink magwells will tell you how much of a cunt they are. Mauser copied the idea of making the C96 FA and having detachable mags. Most of those guns ended up in China and Spain during the civil wars, some of them ended up in South America.
They had serious overheating problems too.
e5c14e No.336718
>>336659
>fuck it, we'll let the guys who lost the war fix it up
We bought out HK, they were owned by BAE until 2002.
088606 No.336720
>>336716
>installing bigger shit into SKS
Why?
>overheating
Well I guess that's what you get from merely changing the magwell and fuckall else on a weapon that is supposed to be a fucking pistol, not an SMG.
dd6336 No.336722
>>336720
Because people wanted the glory of twenty rounds without having to change mags etc.
First clip is fine, second clip is cunt city.
088606 No.336723
>>336722
I mean, I like tinkering with shit I get into my hands, but you shouldn't really do stuff that seems good but is actually detrimental.
It's like doing krokodil just because you've got time to kill and nothing else. I mean, it kinda works and you do kill some time, but you also kill yourself along with it.
ee4214 No.336733
>>336697
Because the C7 is built on license in Canada, you have the misfortune of having Colt build them for you themselves.
a17dd0 No.336743
>Nippon
All the guns they export are great, but they export almost nothing.
>Germany
Live on past glories or marketing.
c8ac6f No.336754
>>336534
Whats the deal with the arcus M40?
46ae8e No.336758
>>336720
I like your flag, its like a german flag, but more tropical, it reminds me of bananas and kiwis and communism, and black people who smoke weed and have dreadlocks. I just want to go there and sweat for a few weeks while running around the sandy beach heads scurrying up coconut trees for my daily food, and playing the ukulele or sleeping in a hammock for the rest of the time. Wouldn't that be lovely, I bet your country is really warm and happy, and full of incredibly dark skinned natives. What flag is that anyway?
c03480 No.336760
>>336758
I like your copypasta. Even if it's not.
46ae8e No.336761
>>336760
Its not, what country is that? Is it Cuba or Jamaica?
295df0 No.336767
>>336761
lithuania. Just move the mouse over the flag
46ae8e No.336769
>>336767
Oh neat I was right on the mark, thanks poland
c8ac6f No.336770
>>336679
>Nah, we don't want it because it's not an AK
What rifles is that?
00e971 No.336777
>>336776
Is that Bertrand Russell?
d86e90 No.336780
>>336698
France, are you sure you want to start talking about sucky machine guns?
I'll grant you that it looks kind of cool, and it sounds like ballistic sex, but it was kind of terrible at what it was actually meant to do.
>>336777
Nice trips, also yes.
c03480 No.336781
>>336761
Even if isn't, it could be turned into one.
BTW, the Rojava flag is almost a ripoff of the Lithuanian flag, with red and green instead of green and red. I'm still waiting for the official /k/ war flag.
4cdb2e No.336794
>>336770
Anything by Korobov
AN-94
AEK-971 (A-545)
>>336699
>GOOD IDEA, TOVARISTSCSCZCZ
>BUT ALSO
>NO, LISTEN HERE
>SERIOUSLY, THAT'S THE BEST IDEA EVER
>BUT ALSO MAKE IT TO BE KALASHNIKOV INSIDE AS WELL
ee4214 No.336802
>>336780
It would have been fine if not for that fucking open magazine.
1bbb1c No.336805
>>336662
Yes it does, they're just issued more and better shit as standard.
>>336698
>MG3
>Bad
The only real downside to it is that it's heavy and that it shoots so fast. The non disintegrating links are based on opinion. I like disintegrating links because I don't have to carry around the 25 empty links I just shot, but some people prefer carrying around the links instead of risking a disintegrating link breaking apart and forcing you to reload.
The M60 is decent too, the only real downside too it is that it's a massive bitch to disassemble compared to the MG3, that you can fully assemble it incorrectly without knowing it and that the 3 bolt grooves will alter the trigger pull depending on which groove caught the sear.
>>336631
The buffer tube, and by extension non folding stocks, are only an issue for storage since your stock would obviously be extended at all times if you expected enemy contact.
d86e90 No.336812
>>336802
>too large/heavy to be used as an automatic rifle
>240rpm
>Limited sustained fire due to tiny (for an mg) magazine
>Then the open magazine pretty much ensures it'll jam, even if you weren't using it in the muckiest environment imaginable.
Sounds fantastic.
It's a shame, if they could have cut the weight and length it would have made a pretty cool assault rifle (decades before the krauts as well).
ee4214 No.336817
>>336812
For a WW1 automatic rifle it's pretty alright.
cbc9ed No.336819
Israel
>Let's make a bunch of shit guns like the Tavor and a downgraded version of the Galil
>We'll shill them in shitty movies like Resident Evil: Retribution
>We'll also give some nerd a bunch of money and a free trip to Israel
>It jams? Better remove that torture test from the internet.
>What do you mean designing the outward appearance of a gun before the internal parts was a bad idea?
d86e90 No.336823
>>336817
That's what I'm saying, it's a kinda shitty but pretty good for the period automatic rifle, but they were trying to use that as an MG. Which was stupid.
a97292 No.336829
>commies fucked up our gun industry because they only allowed us to copy slavshit
>it wasn't even the USSR telling us, but the fucking local commies
>we still managed to make some fun designs
>then we got an oh-so-wonderful democracy, and the children of those commies are still part of our political life
>back in the 90s they banned our still existing companies from exporting to certain 3rd world countries, which were their main market
>we also have basically no gun culture because commies hated the idea of an armed population
>the army is also ridiculously underfunded
>so we have no domestic market
>all we have now is the gepárd
But don't worry, some government big head spoke about how they want to make our gun industry great again. Hopefully I can defend it in a similar thread, a few decades from now.
d5f356 No.336874
>>336829
Don't feel too bad, you guys also had the most badass looking SMG ever made.
818f2a No.336878
>>336701
>Hitler sucks
>/pol/
fdf0b6 No.336879
>>336819
I still like the Galil
d7df8d No.336886
Israel. Aside from the Uzi, Jericho, and Galil, the rest of the domestic guns are shit. Aesthetical, but shit.
734f4d No.336896
>>336534
>>336593
This looks like its from a book I've been searching for, I have the russian sections, but do you know where you got these from?
I really want this book.
78c2b5 No.336902
>>336780
We /philosophy/ now?
Continental piggu.
78c2b5 No.336904
>>336886
The Uzi is infinitely worse than the MAC-10, which was just a garage stamped copy of the design. It's better in every way, despite being made intentionally for bootlegging.
The Jericho is just a shittier ripoff of an existing gun.
The Galil is just a shittier ripoff of an existing gun.
IWI has literally no good products.
734f4d No.336909
53511c No.336920
>>336780
that's the first practical light MG, everything else at the time was Maxim huge, it was revolutionary. only the 30-06 french-american production models were garbage.
94b3dd No.336921
>>336896
To add to that pretty A9-91 chart, here are the civilian version that never got to be commercialized. There were full lead 9x39 cartridges for it. No idea how the speed would have scaled up with such a long barrel, specially considering how short the original one is.
94b3dd No.336922
94b3dd No.336934
>>336927
We had a shit load of SMGs. The Halcon and its derivatives were rather shit and unreliable, but our 9mm grease gun was great, same with the sterlings.
fdf0b6 No.336942
>>336934
I was mainly posting about how ugly they look.Your 5.56 FAL is cool, though.
666efe No.336943
>>336927
Can we take a moment that there's literally an ArgieSTEN?
666efe No.336944
>>336943
A moment to appreciate*
94b3dd No.336963
>>336942
>Grease gun in 9mm with FAL grip
>Ugly
It's retro style, you wouldn't understand :^).
>>336943
>ArgieSTEN
Wait a minute… that name… that flag.
2ee46b No.336964
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>>336630
>Yeah, it's the Sturmgewehr all over again, but with a slightly more durable stock. The bigger problem is that if it's damaged and doesn't function normally, you won't even be able to cycle it manually.
You can just bend it back straight on the AR though.
666efe No.336966
>>336963
Come again? What do my name and flag have to do with anything, pray tell?
23bbfd No.336981
>>336829
>implying your country would've made anything not laughable by yourself
Be thankful that you were allowed to copy glorious Russian firearms
7a8960 No.336988
>>336534
The Bakalov was designed to be 250 dolarydoos and be just different enough from the Kalashnikov not to pay for license.
It is in limbo right now because the jews from arsenal don't like it.
f3cf69 No.337001
>>336561
it's kind of like their empire, once great but now irrelevant
2c9528 No.337004
>>336701
>/pol/ hating Hitler
Krauts really are dumb.
2c9528 No.337007
>>337005
Shouldn't you be off getting buggered by Ptolomy, Alexander?
f3cf69 No.337009
>>337005
What happens in Macedonia even
090750 No.337015
bd260e No.337016
>>337010
Why do I get the feeling this thread is about to derail into another one of those kinds of threads?
d86e90 No.337022
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>>336920
Fair enough, except that the tactics and situation of the day did not call for a light MG - there is very little to be gained from equipment designed for mobility when you're in a largely static war - Maxim hueg HMGs were perfect for that scenario, you just had to set them up and know that they probably wouldn't be moved for at least a few months.
>>336902
>Continental piggu
>Continental
>Conti - nental
Picture very related.
1eecb4 No.337029
>>337010
wew lad, resorting to proxies now are we?
8d0356 No.337033
Australia
>Okay we need a proper rifle for the modern age that we can shit out
>How about that real man's rifle the FN FAL?
>Oath lets get it but leave on the handle and sling, so we can still carry our stubbies in each hands
20 odd years later
>Mate we need to update our guns because the Amercians and Britbongs are making fun of us and our old ass rifle
>Ask the Belgiums to see what is good but make sure it is in that gay caliber that NATO wants us to use that just pisses people off
>They say they got a bullpup that you can hold in one hand and meets our specs
>Can we still hold our stubbies in the other hand while we shoot?
>Yes
>Oath lets get it and buy the rights to produce it here
Present day
>Mate we need to upgrade our guns
>Fuck it just slap rails all over it and make the body out of plastic
cbc9ed No.337034
>>336879
That's fine, as long as it's the original and not this new ACE shit.
3fd69a No.337036
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>>337033
M8, its an Austrian design not a Belgian design.
Dont forget our very own Private Owen created the most reliable sub gun of the second world war and our innovation in MetalStorm.
7cd569 No.337039
>>337029
why did he bother to catch it alive in the first place?
8d0356 No.337043
>>337036
>Belgium and Austrian aren't the same thing
Owens was a great gun dont get me wrong but we still needed a AR for 'Nam because Clapistan wanted us in 'Nam as they held our arm behind our back and twisted it. MetalStorm on the other hand looks like a gay ass box that shoots bullets that bracket a small area, its like a really big claymore but without all the benefits of a claymore.
I'm really just hoping the new Steyrs are decent because they seem to have added more rails that make the gun look uglys and hopped up the rails to eye high but also put in that weird ass pull cord/tab/beer opener for an M203. That and
>ugly black paint job
Get this filth out of my army
3fd69a No.337048
>>337043
>MetalStorm on the other hand looks like a gay ass box that shoots bullets that bracket a small area, its like a really big claymore but without all the benefits of a claymore.
I was talking more about the MAUL.
d9b738 No.337049
>>337043
Not only does the F88 look like shit but at the end of the day its still an AUG, except now it has an even lighter barrel and without the quick-change feature.
Meanwhile we get to rock this.
8d0356 No.337056
>>337048
The fuck is a MAUL
>>337049
>shit copy of a AR15
Is that a fucking gas band I see also checked with my NZ friend in the NZ army, guy says they're still running the old F88s we sold to them.
d9b738 No.337057
>>337056
>checked with my NZ friend in the NZ army, guy says they're still running the old F88s we sold to them.
The new guns haven't arrived yet, first delivery is due in a few months if I recall correctly and will be phased in from then and into 2017.
1eecb4 No.337059
>>337049
>Another AR variant
yawn
8d0356 No.337060
>>337057
>not even phased in yet
NYET RIFLE IS FINE
5f8b3b No.337062
Why couldn't we do something interesting?
Why couldn't we have something not so fucking common, why not have a fucking FAMAS, im sick of AR derivatives man. Fuck
d9b738 No.337065
>>337062
They looked at various rifles, the AR just turned out to be the best overall
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/08/18/new-zealand-army-selects-lmt-to-produce-rifle-to-replace-steyr-aug/
>Beretta New Zealand Limited
Brobably the ARX
>Česká zbrojovka a.s.
805 BREN
>Colt Canada Corporation
M16?
>FN HERSTAL
SCAR
>STEYR MANNLICHER GmbH
AUG
>XTEK Limited (Sig Sauer)
MCX?
>Heckler & Kock GmbH
Probably the HK416
>Lewis Machine & Tools Co Inc
What was chosen
3d4b96 No.337069
>>337065
AR from a meticulous company they already did business with you mean
If ARs were simply better, they would probably have gone with the Colt.
>>337062
I agree to an extent. Having Australia share some of their improved AUGs (F88?) would have been overall cheaper and more logistically sensible.
Why do they even need a differen 5.56 raifu in the first place?
FUCK RAILSONRAILSONRAILS
1eecb4 No.337071
>>337043
Just rail my shit up mate
f3cf69 No.337074
>>336593
>"Spec ops" is slithering it in rails and throwing a collapsible stock on it
Seems about right
8d0356 No.337075
Finland
>Russians made a fully auto rifle in big rifle caliber
>Good take it and make it better
>But rifle is fine
>Make it more ergonomic and better recoil management
>Also remove that gay ass wood
>Non Comrade I think we have made it
>Good now lets not sell it to anyone and make fun of the Americlaps on their retarded weapon's board about how we have the superior AK platform that isn't made by the jews
>>337062
>>337069
Could you imagine the AU selling an upgraded AUG to other NATO nations. Fuck we would finally have a gun culture and not be poor as shit and make guns that aren't gay.
bf040c No.337095
>>337074
Not to mention the CQB prototype that desperately wishes it was a SCAR
d34c9b No.337506
>>337096
I'm seeing this guy all over the place recently.
Did somebody trigger another furfag?