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There's no discharge in the war!

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4102f5 No.468233

Most produced military aircraft in history.

Second most produced general aircraft after Cessna 170.

f81442 No.468288

File: 489c3c7653d5405⋯.jpg (217.29 KB, 800x485, 160:97, Il-2 sideviews.jpg)

File: f7e724487895859⋯.jpg (36.71 KB, 460x215, 92:43, header.jpg)

File: 23da858a99eb7da⋯.jpg (44.7 KB, 645x330, 43:22, Ilyushin06.jpg)

Pretty sure you are thinking of the IL-2.

Because the IL-2 is the most produced military aircraft of all time, and the second most produced aircraft of all time.


9e87b9 No.468349

File: e289d115ace7580⋯.jpg (59.09 KB, 600x457, 600:457, RESPECT.jpg)

>>468233

We all know what to respect.


21b0c0 No.468351

>>468288

>It's a fighter

>It's a bomber

>NO, IT'S A STORMER PLANE


4102f5 No.468354

>>468288

Common misconception. 30,000 Po-2 were produced by USSR, while 36,000 Il-2 during WWII.

Problem is that Il-2 production ceased after the war, whereas Po-2 continued, and dozens of third world countries started producing their own. They were made by Vietnam, Korea, most of Africa, Central America, South America, China…

But historians fail to count Po-2 built after the war, or outside of USSR.


17146d No.468412

>>468233

I think you mean the C172


bac1ca No.468416

The Cessna 172 is also a pretty good base for a modern aerial version of a technical. Its cheap and easy to maintain, and has a rear door for cargo drops or an MG mount. Put some rocket pods and/or bombs under the fuselage/wings and you have decent air support.


b401bc No.468468

File: 8251f30258df01f⋯.jpg (38.34 KB, 300x225, 4:3, 1410496862827.jpg)

Slav planes are notoriously shit. That's like idolizing a mentally retarded person because of all the dumb shit they do.


8eff10 No.468474

>>468468

I mean, the sheer amount of autism Chris-Chan holds can be respectable in some way.


4d872f No.468475

>>468288

>il-2

>posts picture of MiG-9


eeba95 No.468478

File: 410c28f2d203d5a⋯.jpg (67.18 KB, 660x795, 44:53, 2nbyk4k.jpg)

Beryoza best RWR. Harder to read and use then most Westren ones, but holds so much more capability.


4d872f No.468511

>>468478

>communist electronics

>anything but shit

kys serbfag


4d872f No.468512

>>468511

I know they're shit because we built them all btw


eeba95 No.468521

>>468511

The latvian, much like the Croat, wishes nothing else but to be a butboy for the German.

The Beryoza is miles above any westren RWR of it's time. While westren ones let you have a better idea of where you are in space, they can only diffirentiate between Primary and Secondary targets, not actually provide you with information od there proximity. Glorious Beryoza measuers single strength of the closest contact or contact launching at you (Read Primary threat(Also gives Primary/Secondary threat, like NATO jet), which lets you determine how best to counter the attack. By the way the SPO-15 acts, you can determine if you are being chased by a F&F or SAR missile, letting you act in the best way to counter the contact, as well as letting you see if the primary threat is above or below you.

A F-15C RWR, can for example, do literally nothing but show you the direction off the radar contact, and warn you of lock/launch.

There are other features such as identifying the threats, which both are capable off, the NATO countepart in a slightly expanded capability.


5728d0 No.468529

>>468478

How in the fuck do you read that?


82fdfb No.468531

File: 86dc5ff544065ae⋯.gif (134.78 KB, 960x200, 24:5, A FUCKING LEAF.gif)

>>468416

Was it ever any surprise that the leaf has absolutely no idea what the fuck he's talking about?

Easy to maintain, no. If you want an aircraft that is reliable for a sortie, you use a turbine engine that has few moving parts, and all of them are rotating, not violently shaking back and forth. In this case, that'd be a turboprop, which has only novel examples on the airframe. The rear cargo door is small as fuck and has a limit of 120 pounds in the area, there is no possibility of putting anything of worth there unless you take off the door and put a midget with a sidearm in there. The newest model of the C172, the S model has a max weight of 2550 pounds, which is allowed 130% MTOW (3315 pounds) on special permit flights with reduced performance and new G limitations. You have almost no use for this, and this is why these aircraft are only used for training and liaison purposes in the distant aviation past.

kys


b401bc No.468540

File: 28d21469e6b09f5⋯.png (245.81 KB, 679x601, 679:601, 28d21469e6b09f5243df50b124….png)

>>468521

How's those vacuum tubes doing for you, Ivan? Cause another infraction against the established state and I'll cause another famine for you, fascist.


6725e0 No.468551

>>468531

Well, what would you use to fill the role an improvised light attack aircraft?


82fdfb No.468562

>>468551

>improvised

Use existing tech like AT-6 Texan II, OV-10, even a OV-1 Mohawk, or if you want a similar aircraft, make the C172 a C337 in an O-2 role.


6725e0 No.468573

>>468562

>AT-6 Texan II, OV-10, even a OV-1 Mohawk

I know the first two are proven, but expensive. I've never seen a OV-1 for sale though. I was trying to go for something a civilian could reasonably acquire. I don't think any of those three aircraft fit the bill.

I'm thinking of an aircraft that's:

>Cheap (>$120k)

>Reliable and has plenty of spares available

>Decent carrying capacity to carry either a small payload (500lbs), have a MG mounted, or carry some improvised rockets/bombs

>Can be operated by a relatively inexperienced pilot with only basic pilot training

Is what I'm asking impossible or just not very practical at that cost?


434c57 No.468612

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

the ground attack version of the Texan is cool as fuk


2a5a8e No.468624

>>468573

You're essentially saying that, if you want an improvised APC, you're just going to buy a used minivan off of craigslist. Its not armored, and doesn't carry that many people. And again, engine reliability means you need a turbine, not a recip, which puts it outside of a improvised cost. If you want to do XYZ with a C172, you could do it to a point, but with little payload or effectiveness. A brand new plane would be in excess of your cost, and the only boxes it checks are ease of operation, and plenty of spare parts.


4102f5 No.468637

File: a2f250f1139bf57⋯.jpg (7.99 MB, 5852x2301, 5852:2301, MFI-9 Junior.jpg)

>>468540

>>468468

>weaksauce trolling attempts

Come on guy, no one is going to give you attention just because your parents don't.

>>468531

During the Nigerian Civil War Canadian bush pilot mercenaries Chude Sokey and Godwin Ezeilo created a small but capable air force for the Biafrans, made mostly of propeller aircraft (which among other things flew Cessnas). A wing of this airforce under the command of Swedish Carl Gustav von Rosen and Canadian Lynn Garrison overflew four Nigerian airfields, dropping bombs on them out of pic related. The attacks accounted for the destruction of hundreds of millions of dollars of fighter jets like MiG-17 Fresco, bombers like Il-28 Beagle, and other jet aircraft (transport etc). Essentially crippling the Nigerian air force with what is a very similar civilian aircraft to Cessna 170.

You are hiding behind insults to an entire country because you know nothing, and are insecure. You are an insult to other American posters who know better than you, and whose reputation is damaged simply because they have a similar flag.


4102f5 No.468638

File: df82249345aaf05⋯.jpg (29.17 KB, 918x334, 459:167, biafra4.jpg)

File: c732ce23039ca8e⋯.png (7.61 KB, 384x500, 96:125, biafra9.png)


4102f5 No.468639

File: f7a039a6b235918⋯.jpg (223.26 KB, 631x449, 631:449, Lynn Garrison .jpg)

File: 1dee0c49ad3c494⋯.jpg (108.17 KB, 586x249, 586:249, Carl Gustav Von Rosen.jpg)

.


4102f5 No.468644

File: d16c4fe9014b346⋯.jpg (64.84 KB, 510x573, 170:191, minicoinattack.jpg)

File: 84263887672d183⋯.jpg (74.43 KB, 850x556, 425:278, image-621544-galleryV9-jqt….jpg)

>flood warning


f9711f No.468646

File: cf907cc51581d1f⋯.jpg (33.39 KB, 280x390, 28:39, Khadafi.jpg)


636225 No.468650

File: ad52e733f2bb922⋯.jpg (142.9 KB, 1920x1280, 3:2, 9may2015Moscow-40.jpg)

File: cbd8ee51247aa7e⋯.jpg (113.18 KB, 1920x1280, 3:2, 106th_Guards_Airborne_Divi….jpg)

File: 9360a9e9b441ed3⋯.jpg (2.35 MB, 2109x1423, 2109:1423, 106th_Guards_Airborne_Divi….jpg)

File: 6d2646535c37f3a⋯.jpg (2.61 MB, 4256x2832, 266:177, Afghan_Air_Corps_Mi-35_hel….jpg)

File: 04de645d9aedbea⋯.jpg (1.11 MB, 1500x997, 1500:997, Berkut_Mil_Mi-24PN_infligh….jpg)

>thread about respect

>derails into discussion about planes

Helis are the superior -fu.


636225 No.468651

File: 73514e60adcd0cc⋯.jpg (760.34 KB, 1950x2944, 975:1472, Helicopter-tank operation ….jpg)

File: 655fb10ef8d7302⋯.jpg (388.83 KB, 1600x1212, 400:303, its like painting an origi….jpg)

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File: a76384c43e8d632⋯.jpg (306.44 KB, 1920x1280, 3:2, MAKS_Airshow_2013_(Ramensk….jpg)

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636225 No.468652

File: 993c274d66323f2⋯.jpg (318.03 KB, 1280x850, 128:85, Mil Mi 24..Cockpit..Luik 2….JPG)

File: 48ec79c7b60d2b5⋯.jpg (483.14 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, Mil_Mi-24P,_Russia_-_Air_F….jpg)

File: 29fda4e3c8cf343⋯.jpg (242.11 KB, 1920x1280, 3:2, MIL_Mi-35_Hind_(2018473095….jpg)

File: 55a917153a4ab39⋯.jpg (666.14 KB, 1500x1000, 3:2, Mil_Mi-35M,_Russia_-_Air_F….jpg)

File: 93eb96ad4be41a9⋯.jpg (503.77 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, SAAF_Rooivalk_675_and_ATE_….jpg)

Mil Mi 24 is best helifu of course.


4102f5 No.468664

File: 20a69a3dba1edde⋯.jpg (57.71 KB, 1280x960, 4:3, Denel_Rooivalk_flying_2006.jpg)

File: bf239dca8264c23⋯.jpg (920.52 KB, 2500x1236, 625:309, AHRLAC_Take-off.jpg)

>>468650

Pic related are built by the same country, carry the same amount of weaponry and sensor equipment, and can land on unprepared surfaces.

Pic 2 has the following advantages:

>4x lower price

>4x longer endurance

>2.88x longer range

>2.3x lower weight (air portable)

>10,000 feet higher ceiling

>120mph faster speed

Attack helicopters are useful only in certain situations.


c15601 No.468667

>>468233

Why wouldn't we love the /pol/ikarpov?


4102f5 No.468676

File: dae457c23b9fc86⋯.jpg (22.64 KB, 700x340, 35:17, polikarpov-po2.jpg)

>>468667

/pol/i/k/arpov!!!


636225 No.468678

>>468664

Pic 2 is useless because it can't hover or VTOL.


4102f5 No.468681

>>468678

Can you list a few missions which can't be performed without hovering?


330ccf No.468689

>>468637

You're essentially arguing that you can hook two UGBs onto your light recip and sneak over a tarmac and blow up whatever is below you. This is the same tactic as that mailman who landed on capitol hill, it surely could work, and he could have had a payload as well, though whatever his gyrocopter could have lifted.

You're replying to an explanation of why a C172 wouldn't be a good CAS aircraft, not fill a light bomber role. If UGBs and rockets is CAS, I ask who would they support? Read the post you leaf.


4102f5 No.468692

>>468689

>You're replying to an explanation of why a C172 wouldn't be a good CAS aircraft.

No, I'm not. My brother-in-syrup posted:

>The Cessna 172 is also a pretty good base for a modern aerial version of a technical.


330ccf No.468693

>>468692

Riddle me this, what is "a technical"


f3d096 No.468698

>>468693

Improvised fighting vehicle.

IFV is already an acronym of something that fucks up Technicals so it can't be used like IED


67f3ba No.468699

File: 2738f98910e1069⋯.jpg (24.8 KB, 500x279, 500:279, IMG_2915.JPG)

>>468521

Fucking slavs


497e80 No.468701

File: 2fe7aa3eb3c2381⋯.png (3.04 KB, 209x214, 209:214, 2fe7aa3eb3c238165f8cefe772….png)

>>468699

>greece

>balkans

Too lazy to google. But there is a funny sense of doubt.


efa5cb No.468703

File: 028e0eb72336350⋯.jpg (775.96 KB, 1657x1200, 1657:1200, carpathian_basin.jpg)

File: 06ca71d2c1d6f69⋯.png (64.42 KB, 260x323, 260:323, balkans.png)

>>468699

>Hungary

>Balkans

But that's wrong both culturally and geographically. It's like saying Florida is in Central America.


0452f1 No.468760

>>468531

>turboprop

>easier to maintain than a small flat-6

For once I have to agree with the leaf.


96ca62 No.468767

>>468760

Are you a pilot or a maintainer? Do you have operational experience with either in aviation? Turbines only break down when you overheat them, run out of oil, or throw a bird at one. Recips break themselves apart.


bb14a3 No.468775


c15601 No.468833

>>468767

He may not be, but I am. Modern light aircraft recips are tremendously reliable if properly maintained, which is relatively simple and cheap to do. The difference in reliability only really becomes an issue when you're talking about huge recip engines like the R-4630s that were used on the last generation of recip airliners like the Boeing Stratocruiser and military transports like the C-124 (whose engines earned it the nickname "Old Shakey"). The problem there was that they had pushed recip technology as far as it could really ever go, and frankly, even a little farther, past a point of diminishing returns when it comes to things like complexity. If you read up on the Stratocruisers, you'll see that their safety record was pretty abysmal, and *very* frequent engine failures were a big reason why. Similarly, the only reason the C-124 lasted as long as it did was that the Air Force ended up needing every last transport aircraft it could lay its hands on to ship stuff to Vietnam during the war - basically as soon as the war ended, they sent Old Shakey straight to the scrapyard.

The upshot of all of this is that what you're saying is true only at a certain level - the last of the big recip engines vs. the turboprop engines like the T56 that replaced them. On the level of a smaller, simpler recip engine like the O-360 in a Cessna 172, the difference in reliability between that and a turboprop engine is negligible at best.


4102f5 No.468866

>>468767

>Turbines only break down when you overheat them, run out of oil, or throw a bird at one.

You are ignoring massive centripetal forces involved, far more powerful than inertial forces rocking a radial engine. Radial crank shaft is shorter than in car engines, which means there's less vibrations and failure than your average sedan.

But lets address one point which you posted as a negative, but I think is a pro for radials: Turbines have to be cooled, if they loose coolant they die. Radials are air cooled, they can't lose coolant because none is needed.

Yet another benefit for radials: Turbines get shot and explode. Radials get shot and keep functioning even with multiple wrecked pistons! Even more pro's for radials: Turbine breaks down and it can either go in the trash, or get shipped 5,000km back to America for repair. Radial breaks down and can be fixed in the field.

There are advantages to both designs, and in my opinion radial is superior for insurgency work.


f5fcb6 No.468887

File: 3cd9fdaf89d20f0⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 168.72 KB, 1496x1796, 374:449, Jan20Pawel20II01.jpg)


348495 No.468891

>>468887

What the fuck was his problem?


bd5437 No.468896

File: 73755913fb607d4⋯.mp4 (2.81 MB, 326x136, 163:68, 1461992614169-0.mp4)

>>468866

>Turbines have to be cooled, if they loose coolant they die.


d234be No.468897

>>468896

I'm going to jump back into this conversation.

If the original leafposter wanted a simple "aerial technical", wouldn't 7.62 machinegun mounted on the copilots side work fine? I mean, aren't basic technicals simply pickups with machineguns on the back? Is there not enough room for a machinegun in the Cessna?


d234be No.468898

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

Also to keep on topic:

It ain't me


bd5437 No.468900

>>468897

If you don't have a machine of sufficient weight, endurance, and performance then you would be better off putting that machine gun in a technical. There is so much more that can go wrong with an airplane and it goes so much more wrong so much faster that it's hard to tip the balance in favor of putting that weapon (which will be precious in and of itself by the time you're so poorly equipped that you seriously consider slinging an M60 out the side of a Beechcraft) in a place where it will do minimal good from a combat effectiveness standpoint. You might as well A-Team it up and drop hand grenades out the side too.

If you're really desperate for your very own flight of the Valkyries moment, go for it, but you're almost certainly better off doing almost anything else.


0452f1 No.468904

File: e9ca55c4d35294d⋯.jpg (45.47 KB, 514x293, 514:293, Bazooka_Charlie[1].jpg)

>>468897

Yes, but you're not going to accomplish much with a single M60. You'd be much better off carrying 2-4 fixed gun pods, or just using rockets.


c15601 No.468907

Anyhow, the 172 is a fine airplane, but wouldn't be a good choice for counterinsurgency. It has too little of a useful load. It has no armor (and you can't really bolt any on because of its limited useful load). And, ironically, it's too stable (stability in an airplane is great for making it easy to fly, but bad for maneuverability). If I was going to choose a light airplane to turn into an aerial technical, I'd choose something like a Cessna 185 or a Cherokee Six. The first has already been done (see: Cessna U-17) and the second because of its high useful load (the Six's reputation says that if it can fit through the door, you can pretty much count on being able to take off with it on board).


eeb8aa No.468912

>>468907

What about a C210? Seems like it could haul enough weight. Are there any kit aircraft that can be used?


8a0822 No.468940

>>468833

I don't disagree wholly which what you're saying, but just look at why the majority of revenue makers are turbine based. It's because you're more likely to have that issue with a recip, maybe not a failure, but a magneto issue, broken camshaft, fucked up cylinder/heads, etc. I mean, for a improv war machine, maybe you would ignore some of these, but best case you wouldn't fly it if you could use another in the fleet. I'm seeing a difference between a could, and what'd be better.

>>468866

Vibrations vary greatly, My sedan is a V6, and my C172 is a opposed 4. The V6 has balance, and a opposed 4 actually uses the mounting of the prop to assist its balance issues. Until you move to a 6 opposed, you're not seeing good balance in a 4 banger. In a turbine, those centrifugal forces are designed into the blades, there's no real issue is a normal condition. As far as turbine coolant, that's fuel, not oil. You run fuel across the oil lines in the sump to cool the oil, so until you run out of fuel, you're fine on coolant. The oil is so you aren't grinding parts. I'll assume you meant recip when you said radial, but both can be air or coolant based. Air cooled recips are prone to overheating on the ground, climb, or at high power when in a hot climate, and of course liquid cooled engines are huge, and thus wouldn't apply to this theoretical aircraft. Now your analysis on breakdowns is mostly correct, except I'd expect battle damage on a 4 cylinder engine to seize the cylinder, not just stop it from producing power. You surely can't run a 4 cylinder with only two functioning at flight power. I certainly haven't, and wouldn't want to.

>>468897

There isn't enough room IMO on a 172, youre volume and weight limited.

>>468907

I'd agree on the Cherokee six, that fuckers got the balls, I'd recommend >>468912 that you'd really want a C208, certainly not any kit aircraft that I can think of. I'm glad to know I'm not the only anon against a theoretical C172, you have to get bigger.


497e80 No.468947

Someone has to fit BRRRT gun in the back of a Cesna.


4102f5 No.468952

File: 4c07acc5e1718db⋯.jpg (149.34 KB, 587x468, 587:468, 29.JPG)

>>468896

http://aerospaceengineeringblog.com/turbine-cooling/

If any of this delicate ductwork is damaged, you're in trouble.

>>468940

No I meant radial when I said radial, Po-2 is powered by a radial.


96ca62 No.468955

>>468952

That's pneumatic, unless I misunderstood the article you linked, you can't run out of air. Also, the writer is talking only about the turbine section of a turbine engine, not the entire turbine engine, so conflating the two is misleading. Plus, the pneumatic cooling on the turbine section blades energizes the boundary layer and lets the blades gain more lift from the passing exhaust. If you somehow lose your pneumatics, you'd produced less power because the turbine wouldn't act as efficiently and, while it wouldn't prevent an overheat of blades, it'd reduce the max overheat.

Also, why bring up a radial engine, those aren't widely available? They surely do fit the requirement and balance well, but they're not widely available.


f5fcb6 No.468980

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>468891

he ran out of kids to fuck


bd5437 No.468981

>>468952

You can't just take out one of the cylinders in an average flat 4/6 and expect nothing bad to happen there either. Modern aircraft engines are not fault tolerant.

If you want to drag a museum piece out to win this argument then you'd better have a reliable source of wearable parts to finish the job otherwise after a couple hundred flight hours (the typical Time Between Overhaul of said museum pieces) the thing isn't going to produce enough power to get off the ground, let alone carry you into any kind of situation where maneuverability is required to continue breathing.

What's almost worse is that you know when a turbine is done that it's done. You won't have your redneck (or caucus mountain man) mechanic assuring you that all he needs to do is straighten out a bent pushrod or something and you can dedicate your resources to other more productive pursuits.




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