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There's no discharge in the war!

File: 2c493afc9c78ff6⋯.jpg (62.93 KB, 420x265, 84:53, US_Armed_Forces.jpg)

b9b699 No.484289

So you get to spend 6.0% of the US GDP in the Armed Forces.

In this Hypothetical Scenario you are the "Generalissimo" and have total control over the armed forces, with nobody questioning your decisions. You can create or abolish whole branches of the Military, buy and sell armaments, etc.

What would you do?

307be2 No.484295

>>484289

Have three airforce be reabsorb into the army

Cancel the f-35 program

Start buying prop driven ground assault planes

Replace all ar-15 derivatives in the arsenal of all armed forces with le epic moist nugget


2dee68 No.484299

File: d9b467f81c42eaa⋯.jpg (346.87 KB, 643x915, 643:915, 1452653237225.jpg)

Use the money spent on leather chairs and other superfluous items to a military, on family programs and healthcare that is currently almost nonexistent

Make it mandatory for officers to be enlisted prior to commissioning. I know in some cases not feasible but a good idea at least.

350-1 training needs to be obliterated.

cultivate in the entire population military leaders the ability to recognize a bad idea. Sometimes sacrifices must be made in war but in garrison bad ideas should be fucked in the ass.

Goes without saying upgrade tanks, aircraft, small arms, artillery to get out of the cold war era.


d239d8 No.484300

Remove minorities, tags, and women. All other problems will fix themselves naturally


d239d8 No.484301

>>484300

Fags**


fc01d8 No.484302

File: 081f061c56ebd50⋯.png (439.18 KB, 750x400, 15:8, ClipboardImage.png)

>>484300

>>484301

Too late. You got dubs.


f33e20 No.484304

File: addf3d789a3f602⋯.jpg (92.45 KB, 885x516, 295:172, obama shames the troops, m….jpg)

Arrest and court martial the entire chain of command responsible for this atrocity. Picture related.

Outlaw affirmative action. Raise the female physical standards to equal men’s. That would get rid of 99% of females in the military.

Ban trannies. Get rid of all political correctness "training".

Transfer the A-10 and their pilots to the Army and Marine Corps.

Get rid of the Army's so called "camouflage".

Deploy Army units to guard the southern border and Coast Guard gunboats to patrol the Rio Grande.


d9def6 No.484310

Sell everything at an extreme discount to the American people because the US government doesn't deserve a military and will not deserve a military until they learn to respect the rights of the people. Then go into hiding assuming the CIA hadn't already killed me.


716070 No.484312

File: 81f9ed293f8744a⋯.png (932.79 KB, 1200x1200, 1:1, Army Strong.png)

>>484304

>Get rid of the Army's so called "camouflage".

What were you thinking about replacing it with? :^)


d9def6 No.484313

>>484304

Do you mean UCP or OCP? give it some time at least, it's hard to get rid of milsurp that no one really wants to buy.


a7aff7 No.484318

>>484304

>Get rid of the Army's so called "camouflage".

>Retard has yet to realize it's merely the prototype for lunar combat patterns

Casual.


d5cc3f No.484320

>>484289

Marines lose its branch and fold into the Navy again. Air force loses its branch and becomes part of the Army again. Leave the Coast guard alone. Lower amount of nukes owned as well as the maintenance for it. Allow soldiers to have more liberty with the gear they can buy and use, this including weapons, as long as they meet the ability's and requirements for the military. IE you must pass a specific physical test with said specific gear, otherwise you take what you are given. Beard are welcome in the military again, no tat restrictions. All prior service who wish to re enlist despite RE code can re enlist. Anyone who has 20% or less disability can enter combat arms so long as they pass a style of RASP light. RE code 3 are especially welcome with retaining payment from the VA. Re evaluate F35. offer employment and training for all military spouses as priority. Training children at a young age voluntarily from both the parents and child, child can quit any time. Provide incentives with company's that work closely with the military to hire right away after separation from the military, create rosters and lists for as close to 1-1 job transfer. Offer wounded vets a place in the military again, including people with missing legs and limbs for job transfers.


03f669 No.484321

>>484312

Wasn't that suit for the marching band or something? It still looks retarded.


b48142 No.484329

Change to the French model of funding: the generals present a budget and Congress can either accept or reject it, no fiddling. Restart F-22 production, create and sell an export variant to reduce the cost. Get everyone on the same radio system so guys on the ground can finally talk directly to the guys in the air. Provide greater funding for prototyping and stricter requirements that systems be developed more fully before you try to build a fucking ship around them. Bring back the lash but only for officers. Develop stealth paint in more colors than grey and black so that every bomber can have a big-titty cowgirl painted on it.

>>484312

Dude looks like he's answering a casting call for villains for Spy Kids 5.


bb5d21 No.484344

>cut armed forces to 1/10 of its size.

>lower taxes

>get out of nato

>publicly annuance that anyone who tries to fuck with us gets nuke in the face, and to pls not bully

>marines disbanded. not needed anymore thanks to isolationist policy

>change "light" infantry into real light infantry

>rifle grenades for everyone

>get a new mbt, since there is a limit to how long you can upgrade 1 frame

>assasinate everyone in lockmart martin

>nationalize arms industry

>put bigger focus on arty

>ban women

>invest in destroyers and cruisers

>make a proper light (airdroppable) tank. it might be uparmed apc


d6d1bb No.484364

>>484289

Massive cuts to armed forces

Marines rolled back into the Navy

Army gets cut back pretty severely

Airforce is ordered to come up with affordable replacements for our aging fleet

Lock the doors to the Pentagon and burn the structure down to eliminate the corruption infesting the armed forces

Accidentally test a nuke on DC while Congress is in session to deal with that nest of snakes


4a3a12 No.484365

>>484364

>Marines rolled back into the Navy

They are a part of the Navy, you dumb cunt


10ae27 No.484371

>>484289

>What would you do?

Abolish everything and distribute the weapons to the population. Fuck ZOG.


716070 No.484373

>>484321

I think it was a proposed uniform for, yeah, the US Army marching band - not sure if they ended up adopting it, but yeah - retardation in cloth form.

>>484329

>looks like he's answering a casting call for villains for Spy Kids 5.

I thought he looked a bit more like an extra from a 1960's direct to video sci-fi movie.


b9b699 No.484376

File: 18f8ec0a2018a4f⋯.jpg (142.89 KB, 1180x787, 1180:787, Chilean_Army.jpg)

File: 069d7cd36de8c8c⋯.jpg (519.76 KB, 1600x901, 1600:901, Chilean_Army_2.jpg)

>>484304

Would you replace it with Wehrmacht Chilean :^) style clothing or something?


b9b699 No.484377

>>484344 (checked)

Why would you nationalise the arms industry?

Also is artillery really that important with modern airplanes?

>>484371

Assuming no ZOG control, would it be a good idea to implement a Swiss-style or DPRK-style militia?


0cf328 No.484379

>Nuke Capitol building, pentagon, IRS offices, all other federal offices

>Declare federal government abolished

>Dismiss all armed forces

>Auction off materiel to state and private militias

>Supercarriers and other shit that's useless outside of world policing sold off for parts/raw materials

>before selling off the air force, use it to drop ancap propaganda leaflets all over the nation


bb5d21 No.484380

>>484377

>Why would you nationalise the arms industry?

because army is the one thing you want to have fully in control in case of war, not having fuckton of competitors shilling their new supersystems constantly and bribing your generals to buy them. i just believe that its safer for the nation

>Also is artillery really that important with modern airplanes?

yes, it is. just look at ukraine. most combat actions will take place in the cities, and city fighting is incredibly risky. its better to just shell them into oblivion. artillery (particulary conventional) can shell one target constantly for hours at end, and is cheaper then anything else.

yes, there are often loses in civilians but then again recently usa droped missile on syrian village and nobody cared, not at all

>>484376

man, we need to get fashion designers to design our uniforms again


48d1a6 No.484381

File: f83d5c1bdd98020⋯.jpg (160.56 KB, 1000x1000, 1:1, work uniform.jpg)

File: 2180489aad00988⋯.jpg (892.13 KB, 2249x1452, 2249:1452, Ratnik.jpg)

File: bc6ca25731a142a⋯.jpg (121.3 KB, 600x800, 3:4, 12.7×55mm silent belt fed ….jpg)

>>484376

That reminds me: how about a one-piece uniform that is frame-redundant and offers protection against stabs, cuts, shrapnel and pistol bullets? So yes, a kevlar bodysuit. With robots soon you could produce it so that every suit is tailored to a particular soldier. Then the load-bearing vest could be equipped with plates as needed. Remember, Russians currently want to field this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratnik_%28program%29

An other idea is that the load-bearing vest could also work as a life vest, so soldiers can (theoretically) cross a river even if they don't have any support.


48d1a6 No.484382

>>484381

>frame-redundant

I must be watching too many Chinese cartoons, for that should be flame-redundant.


4a3a12 No.484384

>>484380

> i just believe that its safer for the nation

Fuck off, commie


bb5d21 No.484385

>>484384

protecting its citizens is the only true duty of government. prove me wrong faggot


10ae27 No.484386

>>484381

>So yes, a kevlar bodysuit.

Kevlar with enough layers to be at least IIIa is heavier than steel armor and bulky as fuck.

So good luck with that.


48d1a6 No.484388

>>484384

>not wanting profit-oriented companies fucking with the defence policies of a country is something only commies want

So F in the F-35 stands for Freedom. But why don't you abolish your armed forces in favour of PMCs then? Surely, limiting the competition on the market of national defence with such state monopolies like the Army and Navy is the result of Marxist subversion.

>>484386

Who said IIIa? Besides, the main purpose is that soldiers won't cut themselves with random pieces of rebar in an urban area. Even the protection against shrapnel is just secondary.


10ae27 No.484397

>>484388

>the main purpose is that soldiers won't cut themselves with random pieces of rebar in an urban area.

Even things like Gorka prevent that.


5ab474 No.484398

>>484380

having a fuckton of competitors shill their new superweapons is the only way to - not - have to overspend on a shitty idea.

weapons are not exempt from the realities of economics.


c6df44 No.484399

Why not merge the Navy & chair force , and the Army & marines?


bb5d21 No.484406

>>484398

yeah. thats why you go full free market or full protectionism. and i believe that in this instance secound works better.

>>484399

why not not have all of them and making regions, where each head general of the region makes decisions on what is needed most and what would serve the best in given environment , so for example coastal regions have ships and shit. and hold small elite governmental force just in case


0cf328 No.484410

>>484406

>why not not have all of them and making regions, where each head general of the region makes decisions on what is needed most and what would serve the best in given environment , so for example coastal regions have ships and shit. and hold small elite governmental force just in case

That sounds a lot like the type of decision a PMC tasked with protecting a certain region would make.


675233 No.484418

finally let the national guard have their microfighter?


9457d8 No.484420

>>484381

What you describe is what we call CVC's in the Marine Corps (Amtrackers, Flight Crew, Tankers, etc. use them when out in the field or deployed).

They are fucking terrible.


5bfa62 No.484435

>>484418

It will be a slightly scaled down F35, the D model.


675233 No.484436

File: 79f9ea7b06a8870⋯.gif (79.51 KB, 1129x844, 1129:844, Image1649.gif)

>>484435

Nope, the National Guard outlined a subsonic aircraft they could mass produce at home in the tens of thousands.

Instead of flying obsolete 1st generation "jet fighter" museums that are so old that the NG cant even find a manufacturer that uses such obsolete alloys much less parts.

Air force and navy joined forces and blocked it.

Google "blitzfigter".


4a3a12 No.484459

>>484436

It looks fucking stupid and the Air National Guard doesn't have first gen fighters.


4a3a12 No.484460

>>484385

And how does nationalizing, aka letting the same corporations just get in bed with the government, do that? Tell me, commie.

>>484388

You're not wrong.


675233 No.484471

>>484459

>It looks fucking stupid

This has probably been said for every solution or innovation in the history of mankind. Some dumb monkey gets used to an idea, thinks its beautiful, and when a replacement comes along he shits his pants in revulsion. If you want beauty over form contact the Apple company, a tool which works is beautiful regardless of your opinion.

That rough design is mirrored by the A10, Polish Skorpion, Boeing Skyfox and YC14, Antonov 74, OV Mohawk, and multiple Nazi fighters. Not by accident, but because its a good concept.

Keeping hot engines away from fuel (in the body of the aircraft) is a prudent safety precaution if you plan on surviving getting shot. Keeping the commercial engines in nacelles means engine swaps are fast and easy. Keeping them above wing means you can use the coanda effect to provide more lift, as well as saving weight on a ridiculous landing gear system that would keep the engines from crashing into the ground.

Tandem seating in a clear canopy means superior observation capability, pilot comfort, pilot protection and a reduction in pilot fatigue because the copilot can take over half the time.

>doesn't have first gen fighters.

Are you aware of something called hyperbole? During the Panama crisis, NG was flying Corsairs. The fact is that they only get the regulars hand me downs when the regulars cant maintain the airframes anymore, which takes a giant steaming dump all over NG budgets.

Having a purpose built aircraft would give them more capability for a lower price, only a profiteer or maniac would be against that.


2a04d4 No.484509

Repeal NFA. Use economy of scale and added competition from civilian sales to lower price of equipment.


8618c2 No.484512

>>484471

>he fact is that they only get the regulars hand me downs when the regulars cant maintain the airframes anymore

The unit that used Corsairs in Panama has been using F-16s since 1991, so I take it that not all units get the unmaintainable airframes?


8618c2 No.484513

File: 8079448ceff7de6⋯.jpg (1.96 MB, 2829x2257, 2829:2257, F4U_7_AND_CORSAIR_11.JPG)

>>484512

>>484471

Also, when you said Corsairs I thought of the one in the background of this picture rather than the foreground at first.


e5b6d3 No.484556

File: 37163f76ece6375⋯.jpg (390.5 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, nazi_aerospace_engineering.jpg)

>>484398

>having a fuckton of competitors shill their new superweapons is the only way to - not - have to overspend on a shitty idea.

During ww2 Germany went with this competitive model for everything, while competition was much more limited for other major belligerents. Guess which one is famous retarded superweapons?


246fb3 No.484557

1: Establish an objective psychological stability and intelligence test to cap the rank to which someone may promote.

2: Everyone starts as E-1. At 8 years AND E-5, advancement will be to E-6, WO-1, or O-1.

3: Eliminate service limitations based on TIS & grade. (Up or out.)

4: Objective evaluation, 360 degree subjective evaluation. Having one person responsible for evals of his subordinates creates cocksucking yes men.

5: Test all personnel immediately for their rank cap, offer immediate retirement or demotion for those who are identified as beyond their appropriate rank.

6: Watch the DoD unfuck itself because intelligent people are leading it and merit means more than politics.


0445da No.484575

>>484406

This entire line of conversation completely confuses me. I am not even sure what you mean when you refer to an "arms industry".

Firstly, there are no arms manufacturers in the US which wouldn't require constant subsidy to remain in business at the same level of production readiness without selling to the civilian market

secondly if your plan is to have these state owned arms factories continue selling to the general public then nationalizing them is irrelevant as the US, like many other governments reserves the right to take control of any and all strategic industries during a national emergency, i thought this was common knowledge.

thirdly, if your aim is to nationalize any and all industries which supply the armed forces with equipment then i see no way of achieving this without transitioning to some form of stalinist command economy. The "arms industry" as you call it is actually made up of thousands of factories and workshops the majority of which don't even produce mil. goods half of the time. I mean, just to nationalize tank production you would need to buy out not just the "tank factory" (which is in fact merely an assembly plant) but also at least one major US automotive manufacturer (ford?), a US steel plant, along with many other smaller indutries.

finally, even if your plan of nationalization went ahead, the only way to create any strategic purpose behind it would be to relocate industry so that they were co-operating directly with each other in the same industrial parks. All of which would only be "cost effective" if you were expanding the military massively, not cutting it down to one tenth of the size.


bb5d21 No.484576

>>484575

i admit i was wrong with opinion i was holding.


0445da No.484577

>>484576

>i admit i was wrong

is this real life?


e5b6d3 No.484579

>>484575

The US could still most likely reduce the number price tag of small munitions if it had the rights in the hands of the state. So, instead of paying for the price of R&D with every munition, there is a fixed amount of money they once paidfor a smart bomb or something, then they could manufacture it in a state arsenal. A Hellfire for example is about $100 000, and I think you could bring down the price if you didn't want to make a single dime of profit on any of the more complicated parts.


e5b6d3 No.484581

>>484579

>number price tag

I should really reread what I write before posting.


0445da No.484582

>>484579

wiki tells me that they're 110k apiece actually, but i still think it would be easier to create a new factory, or buy the divisions of LHM and boeing that produce those missiles than it would be to nationalize those specific companies.

but yes, i think i can concede that the armed forces should probably have some ability to manufacture munitions.


b48142 No.484584

File: 38d84d751619355⋯.gif (176.87 KB, 500x419, 500:419, 1468172513649.gif)

>>484579

If the military doesn't pay for R&D, just pays for a prototype and manufactures their own knockoffs, who would do R&D for them?


e5b6d3 No.484586

File: 9dbb8234efb976b⋯.jpg (98.04 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, rumia_wink.jpg)

>>484582

>wiki tells me that they're 110k apiece actually

Depends on the version from what I've gathered.

>it would be easier to create a new factory, or buy the divisions of LHM and boeing that produce those missiles than it would be to nationalize those specific companies

Well, I'm not in favour of a Stalinist economy, I just think that ordnance manufacturing is one of the very few (if not the only) area where the state can actually have a clearly positive impact.

>>484584

Well, how do Russians do it? They have state owned companies that do the R&D and then produce the munition for dirt cheap. And they can still sell to others that are not the Russian state of they are allowed and want to make some profit.

Alternatively, a small company can still make a pretty good deal if they just take care of the R&D and then the state pays them a fixed amount of money for a fixed amount of time, regardless of the amount of missiles the state manufactures. E.g. Lockheed Martin gets paid a few million dollars every year for a decade, and the state makes as many munitions as they want, and LM can still sell to other (approved) customers. At that point the only difference is that LM isn't state owned, so they have to actually manage their money.


b48142 No.484589

>>484586

Low wages and a strong eye towards cost, I guess. Do Russians actually do it? It's hard to find information on the costs of Russian equipment, how does the K-74 compare to the AIM-9X?

The problem with state-owned manufacture is what the bong pointed out above: modern manufacturing tails are so long that you'll end up owning entire industries just to get what you need. The military buying the rights to a system once development is done so they can shop around for manufacturers would be nice, but I bet it'd inflate R&D costs because expected profit from production is probably baked into the contract formula.


daeb5f No.484591

>>484329

>Change to the French model of funding

Pretty much everything here except restart F-22 production F-22 are just not feasible as a major part of the airfleet due to operational costs, they cost around 6 times more to operate than a brand new F-15 and I swear if anyone posts a chart showing 30 year old F-15's costs I'm going to shove that chart so far up your ass you'll be coughing out AMRAAM's


4a3a12 No.484598

File: ad85791d72f0906⋯.webm (10.44 MB, 960x540, 16:9, Nazi Meme Plane.webm)

>>484556

It's not that retarded


675233 No.484600

>>484589

AIM-9X was designed to counter R73 with 45 degree off boresight.

We got our hands on some MIG29 during reunification of Germany and found out the off boresight missiles and HUD could take out F16s at a ratio greater than 18:1. That lit a fire under our ass and we made the AIM-9X.

The Russians have since upgraded it with izdeliye 740 that has 60 degree off boresight, Iz. 750 with 75 degree off boresight, and Iz. 760 which is more compact and has stealth features. Izdeliye 300 is in the works as a next generation missile.

Its safe to say they at least have parity with AIM9X.

Russians are very practical. For example when digital radar jamming made missiles like AIM120 useless, America decided to extend the range of AIM9 to have a long range infrared option, a costly project that led nowhere. Russians simply screwed an IR seeker on their AIM120 equivalent.


675233 No.484602

>>484598

That fucking wobble XD


4a3a12 No.484613

File: b2380c33d71b1fd⋯.webm (11.6 MB, 720x404, 180:101, simpleplanes zero.webm)

>>484602

>XD

fucking leaves


bb5d21 No.484614

>>484598

how was it supposed to land?


675233 No.484624

>>484614

On the pilot.


92e44f No.484630

>>484556

wtf is that


bb5d21 No.484640

>>484630

german ww2 "helicopter". it was supposed to take off vertically to protect factories from bombardment.


54c7dd No.484648

>>484613

>Not dubbing Ace Shrek over it

Not even trying buddy.


0d6749 No.484649

>>484289

>Issue letters of Marque and Reprisal as per the Constitution.

>Auction off all military equipment to these domestic privateers.

>Dismantle any unsold equipment and sell for scrap.

>Reestablish prize courts.

>Disband the armed forces.

>Redirect funding to unfunded US liabilities.

Congratulations; national defense now operates at a profit instead of costing tax revenue, is a competitive industry, is completely in line with Constitutional law, and once again operates according to a historically very successful model.


0d6749 No.484650

I didn't read >>484379 before posting, but it is clearly superior to my proposal here: >>484649


c6df44 No.484651

>>484299

You don't get it. the Military leaders subvert the military to get promoted.


9a4a97 No.484748

>>484295

Why do you want to pretend it's the 1930s?


b48142 No.484758

>>484600

I mean cost-wise. AIM-9X Block IIs run about $420k each.


2b0164 No.484763

>>484436

Scorpion has no buyers after three years

There is no market for this aircraft type


2a20f5 No.484769

merge the army, airforce, and navy into the marine corps.


675233 No.484782

File: 667817445ca75c9⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 241.02 KB, 1280x808, 160:101, PZL-230F-Skorpion-4.jpg)

File: 1056665ddced157⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 137.79 KB, 730x413, 730:413, PZL-230F-Skorpion-3.jpg)

>>484763

Not NOW, when the market is flooded with cheapo turboprops and surplus tornados, F16s etc from massive failed warz in mideast.

But the moment world powers (other than russia) start taking ISIS seriously…. the moment western powers start a war in iran or north korea…. every F16 will be forced to the front and a market will open up for Scorpion.

I'm assuming youre talking about Textron Scorpion, not pic related.


307be2 No.484789

File: d1583d7dfd2b85c⋯.jpg (8.31 KB, 180x240, 3:4, images.jpg)

>>484748

>>he doesnt want to be a depression era bankrobber


93e68f No.484796

>Inspect the chain of command and execute the fuck ups who pushed around bullshit.

>Launch a military coup and take control of the government.

>Become a dictator for a bit to sort out crap.

>Replace usual cabinet positions with competent folks.

>Dismantle the CIA, FBI, ATF, NSA, and pretty much the rest of the alphabet soup agencies. Executions are carried out.

>Send in troops to black out the mainstream media. More executions.

>Freeze the funds of major hedge funds. Some more executions.

>Declare martial law on lib states and universities. Round up troublemakers and libs.

>Boot niggers, spics, libs, fags, kikes, commies, cucks, degenerates, and other troublemakers out of the US. Resistance is met with executions.

>Tell Israel to eat shit and if they try anything, we'll turn them to slag.

>Get rid of the federal reserve, issue treasury notes backed by good, siover, or labor.

>Lead the country back into isolationism.

>Get rid of stupid, overprice military projects and contracts.

>Get /k/ to create new contracts and military plans.

>Once things have been cleaned up, relax my iron grip and get rid of previous restrictions for those who remain.


f9b6a3 No.484800

>>484796

>>Inspect the chain of command and execute the fuck ups who pushed around bullshit.

>>Launch a military coup and take control of the government.

You'll have another large purge afterward, you'd have to.

>>Become a dictator for a bit to sort out crap.

See above

>>Replace usual cabinet positions with competent folks.

You mean the people who are most loyal to you, who you think would work would have you removed.

>>Dismantle the CIA, FBI, ATF, NSA, and pretty much the rest of the alphabet soup agencies. Executions are carried out.

You'd have to do this before you do step one, it's like eating with your anus

>>Send in troops to black out the mainstream media. More executions.

In the internet age, you retard

Can't read the rest, you're obviously braindead


1d5a03 No.484823

>integrate coast guard into Navy and DOJ

>combine marines and Army

>force all groups to cross train, eg, army air wing with airforce, navy helicopter guys, and other such air assets

>if you are a military pilot, you can be transferred to any air unit flying a craft you can fly, in essence

>policy applies to infantry as well, and everyone is trained in how to do everything at least once, everything from shipboard shit to fast roping and parachuting

>some specialist tasks like scuba and HAHO/HALO are still specialist though, and cross training doesn't apply much to things like highly specific skills

>everyone gets EMT basic training

that's what I'd do tbh

that and try making as many suppressors available as possible to ground forces

>>484598

I know that's a BF2 mod.


1573d2 No.484824

>>484782

Croatia > Serbia tbh


1d5a03 No.484825

>>484796

>howtostartreddawn.jpeg


f9b6a3 No.484830

>>484825

Not even red dawn, Every other country would use it as an opportunity to push the US's shit it. "It's how you make China become an actually relevant superpower" the post


1d5a03 No.484832

>>484830

I mean, most normal people would be at least a little on board with some of it right up until you started putting liberals under martial law or rounding up black people

at that point everything would violently fall apart and you'd lost the majority of your popular support overnight


f9b6a3 No.484834

>>484832

well you see, because he started eating with his anus and shitting through his mouth by not dealing with the alphabet agencies 1st, he'd be removed when he starts talking about heads of the armed forces being executed.

Media could use it to say "this pro-LGBT general was executed for no reason" etc etc.

Media blackouts also wouldn't work on the major exporter of media in the modern world and the internet.

Military coup also wouldn't really work since he'd need alot of support from the internal but because he executed some of them they wouldn't want to fight for him to just be removed when he doesn't need them anymore.

It's kinda sandnig tier or argentina , which is why they aren't good militarily or politically


5be21d No.484842

>>484556

The problem was that Hitler, who was a politician and not a tactician had the final say in what the German armed forces adopted. Hence the STG-44 being put off while the Maus and E-100 got the green light.


efeeba No.484849

>>484842

Fair point, but remember that the US is also always on the lookout for expensive and useless projects since the military-industrial complex is a thing.


ce22c0 No.484851

>>484613

What happened there?


f9b6a3 No.484853

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6fa0cf No.484856

If 12 years of playing cello have taught me anything it's to say fuck off to anyone who uses an issimo


536e78 No.484860

>Fire everyone who can't pass a 6 minute mile and shit out 100 pushups in 4 minutes

>Fire everyone who can't pass a high-school equivalent math and english test

>Fire everyone who can't shoot at least 7/10 in the 8 ring at 100 meters

>Fire everyone even tangentially related to lockheed martin

>Find modern 1:1 replacement for A-10 warthog

>Use block IV F/A-18s as my do it all plane

>Introduce large amounts of horse rape for everyone involved in the f-35 program

>Replace every single firearm greater than 5 years old, sell the old ones to CMP, do this continually

>Actually get replacement parts for everything

>Cut the marines entirely

>Cut down the air force to basically scouting, bombing, intercept/air superiority, logistics

>Buy a shitload of sams

>Refuse to get involved in any combat not on US soil


658022 No.484868

>>484860

This plus a shitload of ATGMs.


185b36 No.484872

>>484800

>>484834

Well shit, I don't really know much about political or military strategy. I play with numbers for a living.

I just want the US to go back to how it used to be and punish all the people who fucked it up. Then to tell the world to fuck off as I go live innamountains with my guns.


7f721a No.484873

>>484860

Then they would turn into French military


898e36 No.484875

>>484289

Turn it into one big dungeon like the leatherclub two blocks down. Then bring in the boys next door.


52bda9 No.484967

>>484649

When people make government-guaranteed profit off of [something], the people with money are going to ensure that [something] happens as much as possible. Look what happened to the prison system.

Granted, that's exactly what's wrong with the system currently, except it's wasteful expenditure on technology instead of being paid directly to do the killing.


34d35c No.484976

>>484873

On budget and effective?


0d6749 No.484980

>>484967

Am I misreading you, or did you get the impression that I was advocating government funding for privateers?

'Cause I'm not. Privateering has a fascinating history of success, without government funding. If you're interested, you can check this out:

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.611.7504&rep=rep1&type=pdf

I agree with what you've said though. Not sure if you were contributing in agreement, or if you misunderstood my post.


f9b6a3 No.484986

>>484873

the french have marines however


f9b6a3 No.484988

>>484320

Marines are part of the navy dumbass


52bda9 No.485006

>>484980

I misunderstood you. Thanks for clearing that up. To make sure my understanding is correct, let me offer a brief summary;

>investors build, outfit, and crew a ship

>investors post a bond and receive a letter of marque

>privateers capture a prize from an enemy of the state

>prize court determines if the prize is legitimate

>prize is sold at auction, everybody gets their cut of the sale

And presumably this system could be expanded to a non-naval context by allowing prizes other than ships. Goods, machines, facilities, access to natural resources, anything you can loot and prove you looted from an enemy of the state.

A couple of questions:

How would this work in any context other than commerce raiding and economic warfare? Suppose the Chinese pull a World in Conflict and smuggle a few container ships worth of troops into Seattle. Is an all privateer army really going to up against all that in exchange for the value of whatever AFVs, artillery, and small arms don't get destroyed?

What about non-state entities? How would a system of letters of marque and reprisal work against, for example, ISIS, or the Cartel?


0d6749 No.485010

>>485006

>brief summary

Pretty much.

>And presumably this system could be expanded to a non-naval context by allowing prizes other than ships.

Don't see any reason why not.

>How would this work in any context other than commerce raiding and economic warfare?

Lets be honest here; if you can capture an enemy nation's wealth, you've already won.

>Suppose the Chinese pull a World in Conflict and smuggle a few container ships worth of troops into Seattle. Is an all privateer army really going to up against all that in exchange for the value of whatever AFVs, artillery, and small arms don't get destroyed?

There are a few things to consider here.

For one thing; that'd be a boon for privateers, since that's basically the goods coming to them instead of them having to go out and capture goods. I can't imagine there'd be any risk of the captured equipment being rejected in the prize courts. So in this scenario, China's saved them the cost of the search and the risk of legal liability.

For another thing, because captured military equipment would be a valuable asset to sell to other privateers and private security firms, you can expect these firms to be fairly well-equipped. Even for threats operating outside of the privateers' usual range, there's no reason private security couldn't handle them.

Finally, combine that with a lack of restrictions on private citizens' ability to own weapons of whatever sort, and anybody trying to invade the place will basically be wandering into a never-ending kill box. It's the old "rifle behind every blade of grass" thing, but it doesn't stop at rifles.

>How would a system of letters of marque and reprisal work against, for example, ISIS, or the Cartel?

If you can prove in a court that your prize was captured legitimately, it's yours. I can't see any reason why the people conducting military operations against you have to be recognized as a state for the court to recognize them as aggressors.

There may be some need for updating the process, of course, but the underlying principle of privateering is proven, and should appeal to anybody with a sense of fiscal responsibility or practicality.


0d6749 No.485011

>>485006

>How would this work in any context other than commerce raiding and economic warfare?

It occurs to me that you may have been asking about what to do with military targets. The privateers captured those too. Captured military vessels were often re-purposed as new privateers, in fact. Privateering isn't just economic raiding; they also captured the extremely expensive and valuable military ships.

That said; capturing supplies can be an effective way of neutralizing and capturing enemy forces as well.

Sage because this should have been answered in my other post.


b48142 No.485012

>>485006

My question is how privateers would keep up the level of skill needed to fight a war without being fed a constant drip of wars. Militaries do that by supporting specialties that are worthless drains of money for twenty or forty years straight until one day they're needed desperately in vast quantities, I don't understand why a private enterprise would do the same thing.


0d6749 No.485019

>>485012

I'd like to offer the possibility that maybe that's not the best way of doing things. And if it just happens to turn out that it is, then the firms which do it will have a market advantage over those that don't, since they'll be more effective in combat.


52bda9 No.485021

>>485012

Institute a number of military sports and make it a matter of international prestige.

Imagine an organization as big as the Olympics hosting events like the tank biathalon and two gun.


f9b6a3 No.485022

>>485021

Then you'd end up with things that are good at those events but might not be good in a war setting.


b48142 No.485024

>>485019

Lessons in war are paid for in blood. You can either maintain the lessons in peacetime with cash or you can pay in blood next time too. You're suggesting the second way is superior? You must be picturing someone else's family paying the price.

Privateers were successful in the Revolutionary War because France, who paid the burden of a professional navy, kept the privateers largely safe from the wrath of the Royal Navy.

>>485021

And the events would of course not be held hostage by tradition and international opinion, they'd keep up with rapid developments in technology and practice in a way that is directly translatable to war.


0d6749 No.485028

>>485024

>You're suggesting the second way is superior?

You think I'm suggesting any particular way? You've falsely reduced this to two alternatives. I've merely entertained the possibility that we should consider that the military's current method of wasting resources on something until it turns out not to be a waste isn't the best way of doing things. That doesn't mean that I've proposed any specific alternative.

If you think I'm disregarding the human costs of war, you are sorely mistaken. It is precisely the human costs of war that motivate my critical examination of the situation.

>Privateers were successful in the Revolutionary War because France, who paid the burden of a professional navy, kept the privateers largely safe from the wrath of the Royal Navy.

I'm going to need to see some sources on that, because the source I've already cited here seems to contradict that. By all accounts, the privateers delivered much more strategic bang for the buck. If you've got evidence that shows otherwise, I'd like to see it.


b48142 No.485036

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>>485028

>You've falsely reduced this to two alternatives.

History reduced it to two alternatives.

>I'm going to need to see some sources on that

Sources for what? That French intervention was the only reason the revolution didn't die? That it was the threat of the French navy that kept the Royal Navy largely at home instead of savaging the entire American coastline? That it was the French navy that prevented the Royal Navy from relieving General Cornwallis and allowed Washington to win the Battle of Yorktown?

>bang for the buck

Means absolutely nothing when you are relying on the charity of another country to do all of the heavy lifting while you run around hitting the fattest and easiest targets.

>because the source I've already cited here seems to contradict that

I tried to read it, you must not have or else you would have noticed it's not particularly readable. What I could understand is pretty incoherent. It argues that privateers did important things by roaming around and attacking merchant ships at their leisure while the US Navy was doing the actual work of attempting to stave off invasion occasionally successfully, it argues that the war was an indicator of the value of privateers when in reality it was the singular cause for the professionalization of the US military because privateers and citizen militias were militarily ineffective. It talks about efficiencies, shares, dollar values, and never mentions the fact that the Royal Navy had 120 ships of the line.


b48142 No.485039

>>485036

>What I could understand is pretty incoherent. It argues that privateers did important things by roaming around and attacking merchant ships at their leisure while the US Navy was doing the actual work of attempting to stave off invasion occasionally successfully, it argues that the war was an indicator of the value of privateers when in reality it was the singular cause for the professionalization of the US military because privateers and citizen militias were militarily ineffective.

These are in reference to the War of 1812, sorry.


0d6749 No.485052

>>485036

>History reduced it to two alternatives.

Right, because there's no other conceivable way to structure skill development and pedagogy. It's just all or nothing. Either your organization individually pours tons of resources into skills it never uses for years on end, or you go without them completely once the skill comes into demand. It's beyond the realm of physical possibility to internally adjust skill development over time, or to contract with other firms specializing in those skills, or to cross-train related skills, or to even think of anything other than the two alternatives you presented. Sure am glad we got this all figured out.

>That French intervention was the only reason the revolution didn't die?

Ok, so lets grand you that. You've established that a very small military force is at a disadvantage to a much larger military force. Not exactly a stunning military insight.

Now can you establish anything specifically relevant to privateering as opposed to public militaries? Replacing those privateering vessels with public naval forces doesn't fix the tactical situation. In fact, the financial structure of privateering, if anything, freed up resources for other ends.

>Means absolutely nothing when you are relying on the charity of another country to do all of the heavy lifting while you run around hitting the fattest and easiest targets.

Again; what about your analysis is specific to privateers? This is all a knock against having smaller military forces, not against privateering.

>I tried to read it, you must not have or else you would have noticed it's not particularly readable.

Cover to cover.

>roaming around and attacking merchant ships at their leisure while the US Navy was doing the actual work of attempting to stave off invasion

Yeah, except no. Go ahead and read the "Effectiveness" section, which gives examples of public navies and privateers pursuing the same targets concurrently, with the public navies being vastly outperformed by the much lighter-armed private vessels.

>in reality it was the singular cause for the professionalization of the US military because privateers and citizen militias were militarily ineffective

Again, you can make the claim, but you need to substantiate it for it to be taken seriously. I've cited researched sources for my case. You've merely made assertions.


7f7409 No.485180

>>484289

Can you buy enough neutron bombs to scour the entirety of Asia Minor's surface with 6% of the US GDP?


216188 No.485220

>>484796

Interesting, I'm specially interested on how a Labour Standard would work without becoming a communist nation; I've also been thinking about US Treasury backed by cryptocurrencies, but I'm not sure how that would work.


216188 No.485221

>>484800

To be honest, he could shutdown the Internet like they did in Egypt in 2011, however also cutting the telephone lines, basically a complete shutdown. Or just implement a DPRK-style of internet (Intranet) and a complete nationalisation of telecommunications. He'd also probably have to take control of the CIA and NSA to carry out his executions before disbanding them, I'd probably just merge them into one, like NIA (National Intelligence Agency) and use it for those goals.

The US could probably execute a coup in the modern age, but it would have to be tremendously planned beforehand. It has the benefit that the US is the biggest superpower and can handle itself without the rest of the world.


f9b6a3 No.485234

>>485221

>he could shutdown the Internet like they did in Egypt in 2011

>most websites in the world stop working

>people will not notice


f2e5c2 No.485276

>>484289

It'd be better to focus on long-term improvements to organisation than short-term procurement of specific equipment. With that in mind:

>Force women to meet the same standards as men (and don't just do what Sweden did and do this by lowering male standards).

>Persuade the British government to drop Trident and use the freed up funds for the RN + recently closed RAF bases, this could be done easily enough with treaty guarantees to provide nuclear support or what have you and provides maintained bases for use if ever they're needed.

>Keep the Marines separate at the low level (i.e. cosmetically) for morale/competition/tradition reasons but integrate them with the army at the high level, force them to share the same equipment as the army wherever possible. Basically they become a specially trained + uniformed part of the army instead of duplicate command structures and doing a bunch of shit other branches do better (e.g. Marine Corps Aviation).

>Stop giving regimes the USA is supporting obviously American equipment. It was pretty easy for ISIS to paint the Iraqi government as a puppet government when the Iraqi army was running around in American-style uniforms, using American small arms and riding around in American vehicles/tanks. I'm not saying to arm them with AKs (though AKs are an iconic symbol of anti-western sentiment) but something less obvious would be good. You can still give the contract to an American business if you want.


b9b699 No.485282

>>485234

I mean, like Machiavelli said, commit all your atrocities at one.


b9b699 No.485283

>>485282

>one

Once*


f9b6a3 No.485285

>>485276

Wait a minute, do you think the Royal Marines are their own thing?

>depending on a foreign nation for nuclear deterrence

this is also a no no


f2e5c2 No.485296

>>485285

>Wait a minute, do you think the Royal Marines are their own thing?

I was talking about the US Marines anon, the Royal Marines don't have their own armour, airforce or special snowflake logistics/discarded obsolete equipment. At best it's a waste of cash and at worst it contributes to inter-service communications problems in the field.

>depending on a foreign nation for nuclear deterrence

>this is also a no no

All Trident missiles are currently manufactured and maintained in the United Sates, might as well formalise the dependence and save the cash. Better for everyone to reverse budget cuts to conventional forces instead.

The British nuclear deterrent is worthless anyway, Trident at full capacity (which the current subs are generally not) is sufficient only to do real damage to France, Israel or perhaps Pakistan out of the other nuclear powers.


f9b6a3 No.485299

>>485296

>USMC

>Not a department of the Navy

it gets at most 15% of the USN's budget from the Secretary of the Navy.


f2e5c2 No.485306

>>485299

I'm aware that the Marines are strictly speaking part of the Navy but they still run their own aviation and armour (consider that the USN does it's own aviation separate from the air force already), compare that to other marines e.g. the Royal Marines who stick to infantry and necessary light vehicles. They've also got a command structure distinct from both the Navy and the Army and procure their own small arms in parallel to the army, a wasteful procedure both in terms of actually buying the weapons and with the effort that goes into testing etc. This has been an issue at least as far back as WW2.

>it gets at most 15% of the USN's budget from the Secretary of the Navy.

That's still a fuckton of cash anon. And again beyond simple economic concerns duplicating functions risks communication issues in practice not to mention the potential to hurt logistical interchangeability.


f9b6a3 No.485308

>>485306

that 15% is about 4% of the military budget of the US, which is larger than the Economy of Russia.

The US has shitloads of money, them having their own Air Assets isn't exactly a bad thing since they spend alot less money doing the same job. I think the US military needs to follow what the USMC does most of the time.


f2e5c2 No.485313

>>485308

>that 15% is about 4% of the military budget of the US

Well I'd hope to be cutting down the military budget as a whole wherever possible. Even without that wasted cash is wasted cash. Taxpayer's money isn't something that you can be flippant about even if it's a (comparatively) small amount.

>The US has shitloads of money,

The USA, as with many western nations, is constantly dealing with massive deficits and national debt, wasting unneeded taxpayer money on the armed forces is not acceptable given that situation. Even if you don't want to reduce military spending freeing up extra money means more men on the ground or more possible research.

>them having their own Air Assets isn't exactly a bad thing since they spend alot less money doing the same job. I think the US military needs to follow what the USMC does most of the time.

As much as anything that seems to be a result of not being given the money/priority to be inefficient, force the armed forces as a whole to understand that going overbudget on procurement will not result in the government stepping in and bailing them out by increasing spending should (hopefully) see the same culture spread to other branches. Adversity and constraints will breed efficiency.


f9b6a3 No.485316

>>485313

>Debt

>bad

Debt isn't a good or bad thing, it's just a thing economically.

Loss of equity is a different story.

The USMC's air assets are also just USN assets that USMC command can call on at any time. The only difference between a USMC and USN pilot is basic training, specialization is taken up by USN schools headed by USMC administrative heads. They even have the same wings as USN pilots.

When they're done, they're called "Naval Aviatiors" as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleet_Replacement_Squadron


6f1f0e No.485317

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>>484289

Only uniform besides traditional dress uniforms is now OD green fatigues, bam just saved billions in budget while bringing aesthetic back to the armed forces


f2e5c2 No.485509

>>485316

>The USMC's air assets are also just USN assets that USMC command can call on at any time. The only difference between a USMC and USN pilot is basic training, specialization is taken up by USN schools headed by USMC administrative heads. They even have the same wings as USN pilots.

This I did not know.


e91983 No.485520

>>484380

We still use the AR15 platform introduced during Vietnam. The M2 Machine Gun has been in use since the 30's. The C130 has been in use since the 50's. If these "competitors" are bribing generals to buy "new supersystems" they're doing a shitty job.


2e6e69 No.485585

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>>485520

That's because instead of wasting money with one or two cases of corruption, you can steal much more if you run overly ambitious sci-fi programs. For example the M14 was to be replaced by the end result of the SPIW program. The M16 was adopted only out of dire necessity, and then SPIW was replaced by ACR. An other expensive program without any actual results, despite all the innovative technologies present. Maybe LSAT will bring something good to the table.




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