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There's no discharge in the war!

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67c876 No.600334

Would it work?

67c876 No.600343

Here are some tips:

MiG-15: The most produced combat jet in history, combined with its direct derivatives, MiG-17 and MiG-19, by far outnumbers the 2nd most produced combat jet family. Highly modified derivatives (Q-5/A-5 Fantan family) were kept being produced by China up to 2012. Not really good with WW2 props' stats but probably THE most produced fighter family in history. Given its more than decent performance and combat record producing most of the Eastern Bloc aces it probably also was the most cost-effective jet fighter in history.

MiG-21: A low cost high performance fighter/interceptor that despite its shortcomings in certain design and performance aspects it remained among the most dreaded adversaries of the West and the constantly upgraded backbone of several Air Forces in the world, and not only in the eastern bloc, for several decades. A 2nd gen fighter that remained highly competitive against even 4th gens, even at the dawn of the 21st century. The second most produced fighter in history, assuring Mikoyans place in history as the most combat-aircraft-shitting industry.

MiG-23/MiG-27: Low cost high performance fighter/inderdictor respectively, reportedly it outperformed the more expensive and much more technologically advanced F-16 in many performance aspects and according to India it even achieved aerial victories against Paki F-16s in a couple of occations. The most most produced variable geometry wing aircraft. Though it sold well it never attained the legendary status of the MiG-21 which was more easy to maintain and only marginally worse in overall performance, since the variable-sweep wing was proven to be heavy, maintenance demanding and not anywhere as performance improving as it was thought to be in paper (see also F-111 failures and F-14 being not significantly better and a bit more slothish than its conventional wing counterpart, the F-15).


db25cd No.600344

Everything mikoyan makes would work. Problem is they sell data to enemies.


67c876 No.600349

MiG-25:

The Foxbat, one of the world's fastest aircraft, by far the most produced Mach3-capable one, a serial-record breaker and a nightmare for the West for a couple of decades which forced the West to step up their game by creating the F-15 and practically kick-started the 4th generation of fighter jets. Though proven to be far heavier than originally thought by NATO and not a good dogfighter it still remained a top-class interceptor/reconnaissance platform for many decades and virtually invincible to most air-defenses (with the notable exception of the F-14) up to the introduction of the AMRAAM. Despite its shortcomings it was pretty widely exported for an aircraft of it performance envelope and technological level at the time and proven a vital aspect for the export costumers, particularly in its high-altitude recon role.

MiG-29:

With its combination of HMD, wide-angle all aspect missiles and unreal >80^ sustained angle of attack (that enable it perform maneuvers like Pugachev's Cobra), that allowed it to achieve 9/1 kill ratios against F-16s in simulated dogfights performed by the Luftwaffe, it was originally an adversary of nearly mythical status for the West, even if its later combat record, burdened by severe situational disadvantages, tarnished its original image.

Primarily designed by Russia's Central Aerohydrodynamic Institute along with its younger brother, the Su-27, it was a wonder of aerodynamics with the most notable achievement of it being the fact that it could severely outperform most contemporary and later generation fighters in a few aspects WITHOUT the use of relaxed stability and consequently the need for a FBW, it still remains one of the most maneuverable aircraft in terms of maximum turn rate, the champion of maximum rate of climb (closely challenged only by the Eurofighter Typhoon), and the close second most capable aircraft in terms of sustained high-alpha after its FBW-equipped sibling design, the Su-27, and it thrust-vectoring-equipped derivatives.

MiG-31:

Moments after the West got relieved by Belenko's defect from the USSR that revealed MiG-25 close-combat performance and low level flight performance shortcomings their fears got renewed with said defector's claims that a "super-Foxbat" was in the final stages of development; that resulted to a fiction-reaching panic that inspired nearly impossible depictions like the MiG-31 "Firefox" in literature and later Hollywood. Thankfully for the West, the actual MiG-31, labeled Foxhound by NATO, remained on its predecessor's footsteps of focusing in high-altitude high-speed long-range interception, instead of close-quarter combat, though its low-level performance and range, weapon effectiveness and avionics were dramatically improved (thanks to the new generation turbofan instead of turbojet engine and its huge and powerful PESA radar) allegedly forcing the previously invulnerable and legendary SR-71 into early retirement. Still remains a vital part of Russia's air-defenses and along with its predecessor the highest and fastest flying combat aircraft in current service.


67c876 No.600351

>>600344

>Problem is they sell data to enemies.

China successfully reverse-engineering aircraft designs or even building blueprints served on a golden plate by the manufacturer would be a laughable claim and a non-issue a decade ago, but given they have somehow managed to make supercomputers that outperform western equivalents, that could do the creative part of design more efficiently than their bug-people co-creators, indeed raises some flags.

Will get back to it with the third and final part of my post that regards Mikoyan's never/not yet operationally produced fighter designs, namely the MiG-39/MFI (the most likely predecessor of the J-10 and J-20), the MiG LMFS and MiG-41.


363e5d No.600476

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>>600343

>>600349

Capped.

Very informative.


06a828 No.600484

File: b630dbb7a2af635⋯.jpg (162.29 KB, 800x600, 4:3, 8429714201_7795fea6e8_c.jpg)

Would it work?


db25cd No.600487

>>600351

>make supercomputers that outperform western equivalents

That is not even difficult, western equivalents are built with off the shelf tech or so buttfucked by contractors that its a joke.

Russia and China build chips specific for tasks. For example a Russian 500 megahertz chip designed for encryption is better at encryption than a western 3 gigahertz chip. Of course it can't do anything else… but the one task its built for it does very well.


a7eecb No.600488

>>600484

Don't know, but damn if I don't want a plastic model of it.


196487 No.600551

>>600476

Y-you too…

>>600349 (You)

… cont:

MiG-29M/K/ MiG-33/35

Based on the very successful airframe design and powerful engines of the MiG-29, as the designation implies the MiG-29M family is a very similar and a direct derivative of the original MiG-29A/C but essentially a whole new plane (in pretty much the same manner the Super Hornet/Rhino is different to a Legacy Hornet).

The most obvious shortcoming of the original MiG-29, namely its short range, was addressed in the new design by increasing fuel capacity with redesigned thicker LERXs and expansion of the dorsal ridge behind the cockpit in order to serve as a fuel tanks and space for avionics and countermeasures; the consequent increase in weight was countered with upgraded, now smokeless (a previous lever for criticism) engines, and more extensive use of composites (which also served as a radar-signature reducing measure, especially in the later MiG-35 variant).

As expected and in contrast to its predecessor the new Fulcrum is a genuine 4.5gen fighter which incorporates a FBW and fully digitized controls that further reduce weight and improve the already impressive high angle of attack and post-stall controlability of the original MiG-29 airframe. With the dramatic improvement of its avionics, radar and weapon software the M-family are not only significantly more capable BVR fighters but also genuine multi-role fighter/bombers.

During the 90s the only costumer for the MiG-29M was the Russian Air Force, with only a couple of tens sold to it. Its carrierborne version, the MiG-29K, achieved a "darling" status among the Russian Navy's carrier crews for its light weight, small size and overall practicality but at that time it lost in favor of the somewhat more powerful but way bigger, heavier and more demanding Su-33, the carrier version of the Su-27 family; a similar pattern was followed in both domestic and international markets throughout the late 90's and 00's, with the Su-27's equivalents of the MiG-29M, the Su-30 family, greatly overshadowing the MiG-29M/-33 family. Despite the lack of commercial success for the new Fulcrum and the seemingly bleak market conditions for them, Mikoyan kept investing and constantly upgrading the design up to this day ultimately culminating to the ambitious export-oriented MiG-35, an aircraft that retains all original Fulcrum's advantages with much improved technologies, including an AESA radar and even more powerful and longer living engine, that keep it extremely competitive, if not equal, to contemporary gen4.5++ and fifth gen fighters at a much more appealing price; similarly the MiG-29K made its triumphant comeback (now as a navalized version of the fully modernized MiG-35) taking its revenge upon the aging Su-33, which it now replaces, and scoring a significant export deal with the Hindu Navy. Now negotiations for export orders with the Russian Air Force/Navy, Serbia, Egypt, Syria and other less likely customers and its combination of high performance at a price that only the Gripen and the new F-16 variants can compete with, leave much ground for optimism in Mikoyan's marketing department.

sorry for talking that long in this one, the MiG-29 is among my favorites planes, if not my favorite, and I find the MiG-29M's story very emotionally charged I don't particularly like the MiG-39/MFI/1.44 but it will probably take longer, it's a long tale of struggle, unfulfilled dream and betrayal…

PS: "MiG-33" is the export designation of slightly improved MiG-29M variants throughout the 00's

PS2: Some of the improvements of the MiG-29M were retrofitted on older MiG-29C airframes as well as the new built MiG-29S/SMT "Fullback" that were essentially Legacy Fulcrums half-way upgraded to MiG-29M standard while retaining the older metallic airframe, conventional hydraulic controls and greater commonality of parts with the original Fulcrum-A/C in order to appeal to old MiG-29 buyers.


68fb86 No.600553

>>600334

>>600484

MiG should unveil the proto of the MiG-41 or 43 (PAK DP) in a couple of years (scheduled to start entering service in 2025-30, the MiG-31 need a replacement).

Prepare the jimmies to be rustled because it's gonna be something ridiculous.

As in gen 10 space going fighter armed with lasers ridiculous…


196487 No.600556

>>600551

PS3:

MiG-35's engine also has 3D thrust vectoring nozzles bringing the >>600349

>combination of HMD, wide-angle all aspect missiles and unreal >80^ sustained angle of attack

line to a whole new level though allegedly thrust vectoring is only a meme


196487 No.600559

File: a22a771c1770228⋯.jpg (225.34 KB, 2048x1448, 256:181, will it blend.jpg)

>>600553

I would not get so excited. IMO it's probably just an oversized J-20 (aka stealthified MiG-39) with decent not-MADE IN CHINA engines, possibly hybrid scramjet/turbofans provided the interceptor is fuckhuge enough,as in bigger than Tu-28 was if not B-1R/Tu-160P sized.

pic very related.

I am very curious about what ceramics will they use to make it stealth at the mach4 ranges given that the F-22's max speed is way more likely burdened by construction materials than engine power.


db25cd No.600567

>>600553

MiG41 is going to have a set of normal engines which can turn into a scramjet. Kind of like SR71 but better.

And this fucking thing is going to be armed.

>>600559

I don't think they'll bother with stealth, if it's going mach 4 that's already faster than 99% of missiles. Also F-22 is an ancient design, RAM/RCS tech underwent massive changes since then. In fact Russian RCS philosophy (jamming) requires no shaping or materials at all.


81a544 No.600569

>>600567

>In fact Russian RCS philosophy (jamming) requires no shaping or materials at all.

Reactivation of the Brazo/PAVE ARM project when? I'm pretty sure that the Russians already have a version of the Vympal with an ARM seeker.


e814d7 No.600570

Mikoyan Gurevich

>Attaching copied engines to mediocre airframes since 1947


e814d7 No.600571

>>600570

Sorry, I should qualify. The only and last design that MiG ever created that is worth a shit was the MiG-3


e814d7 No.600573

File: fbb8813903a8235⋯.jpg (173.99 KB, 960x742, 480:371, miggersbtfo.jpg)

finally:


196487 No.600576

File: 079adfdde4a2dde⋯.jpg (211.06 KB, 1600x1200, 4:3, 1428872377032.jpg)

>>600570

You don't achieve ~90^ degrees sustained angle of attack without thrust vectoring or even FBW with a "mediocre" airframe.

>>600571

>>600573

Stay faitfhful to you country's tradition of contextless shitposting.


e814d7 No.600577

>>600576

>Implying throwing away all of your energy in a flashy airshow maneuver has any tactical value

If you want to present a static, platform target to your enemy, I'll hold your hat and coat.


196487 No.600578

>>600577

>hurrr durr instantaneous turn rate is useless in air-combat

Go play in traffic.


e814d7 No.600579

>>600576

Also

>maneuvering is for faggots who play DCS

Energy is where it's at nigger.


196487 No.600583

>>600579

>sour grapes extravaganza

If kinetic conservation was everything then there would not be a MiG on every second Phantom's ass back in 'nam, also the F-104 would be the best 20th cent fighter built after the F-16. Not taking half time zone to make an 180^ also helps.


ab683c No.600613

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>>600567

>mach 4

I hope it carries glide bombs.


9582be No.600617

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>>600573

>Miggers


ab683c No.600642

File: 829b2e27f9387a5⋯.png (165.93 KB, 472x540, 118:135, fight me.png)

>>600617

n-no bully!

>>600579

Grandpa, the Korean war ended a long time ago.

I hope you're not one of those anti-gun advocates involved in the Phantom's inital production models.


db25cd No.600664

>>600577

The only reason high AOA is "flashy" is because an AWACS does most of the tracking and identification for the fighter.

If jamming comes into play, and fighters have to see/identify with their own eyes, suddenly dogfights and AOA is going to become popular real fast, and if this happens Russia is ready with a whole lineup of fighters specializing in it.

>>600613

I think it carries missiles only, because of aerodynamic requirement. But the missiles have ridiculous range…. Part of the reason MiG41 is being developed is as an AWACS counter, see my reply a few paragraphs up to read why Russia would like that.


196487 No.600684

>>600664

>If jamming comes into play, and fighters have to see/identify with their own eyes, suddenly dogfights and AOA is going to become popular real fast, and if this happens Russia is ready with a whole lineup of fighters specializing in it.

Did not an EF-18 Growler pretty much rape an F-22 in mock air combat that way?


363e5d No.600702

>>600551

I fucking love the MiG-29s, any air combat related game, I'll take a MiG-29, even if it means the odds are against me.


37a7e8 No.600703

File: 0a73610344ad07c⋯.png (49.91 KB, 410x382, 205:191, consider the following.png)

>>600642

Guns are actually kinda deadweight tbh. The reason why the F4D didn't do so hot at first was nigger flight crews leaving the missiles out to bake in the Vietnamese sun for days on end and boomer pilots not understanding how the missiles tracked.

The Navy fixed this by starting the top meme flight academy and enacting strict rules on how to store missiles in climate controlled environments. This managed to turn the F4D's combat record completely around so they never bothered with installing guns on them as they were actually not needed.

The chairforce bitched and moaned that the reason why they were trading planes was because there was no gun, and after all that whining they finally got their F4E and immediately their combat record turned around! But they seldom if ever actually got kills with guns. They actually just stopped leaving their delicate missiles out in the sun and trained their pilots on when to launch them.

The fact that the Russian plane with the best K/D has no guns as well is kinda telling that they are a boomer meme.


3cc6d7 No.600705

>>600484

It looks like something from Macross.


bb7bf6 No.600783

>>600703

Late Vietnam era F-4s had guns.

>The fact that the Russian plane with the best K/D has no guns as well is kinda telling that they are a boomer meme.

Or that this particular aircraft could fly faster and higher than the weapons' envelope of most of its adversaries.


37a7e8 No.600946

>>600783

Read again, the AIRFORCE adopted F4E which had a gun. The navy and marines never put guns on their F4s as they stuck with the F4A B, J, N, and S. none of which had guns, to the end. But the airforce seldom ever scored gun kills with their F4E's. The gun had little to nothing to do with its sudden increase in combat performance and more to do with ground crews keeping the missiles in climate controlled buildings so they actually tracked when they left the pylons.




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