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There's no discharge in the war!

File: 391969c54fd78e9⋯.jpg (41.46 KB, 642x451, 642:451, H&K VP70.jpg)

File: e5ad83eb74f38eb⋯.jpg (168.27 KB, 1434x756, 239:126, Gyrojet pistol.jpg)

File: 36b792301d14ac3⋯.jpg (40.35 KB, 840x504, 5:3, Beretta U22 Neos.jpg)

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c0374f  No.638066

Let's dedicate a thread towards firearms that fit this kind of look.

What makes a firearm look "futuristic" to you?

c0374f  No.638067

File: 60cea05a1102c36⋯.jpg (32.2 KB, 578x304, 289:152, H&K CAWS.jpg)

File: e02006f5e4c879e⋯.jpg (32.89 KB, 800x550, 16:11, H&K Xm8.jpg)

File: 114210f64e4512d⋯.jpg (63.08 KB, 1200x715, 240:143, Whitney Wolverine.jpg)

File: 908138b8a441f4e⋯.jpg (3.19 MB, 5728x2932, 1432:733, H&K G11.jpg)

c0374f  No.638068

File: c321528506d6d99⋯.jpg (43.61 KB, 600x300, 2:1, XM29 OICW.jpg)

File: 3d6fa43b6a0b6ca⋯.jpg (386.2 KB, 1323x899, 1323:899, Tippmann.jpg)

File: 5410c741f82e96d⋯.jpg (105.95 KB, 1199x610, 1199:610, FN F2000.jpg)

File: 92c434ec57a43f1⋯.jpg (48.16 KB, 1200x651, 400:217, remington XP-100.jpg)

c0374f  No.638069

File: 3ef9652efc762c6⋯.jpg (114.35 KB, 1023x685, 1023:685, Walther WA 2000.jpg)

File: 0164b26df5f3725⋯.jpg (194.12 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, Canada.jpg)

File: 13ae3a5465bf243⋯.jpg (31.33 KB, 425x274, 425:274, Vektor CR21.jpg)

File: a1d69b2fe98baa6⋯.jpg (39.26 KB, 650x508, 325:254, Vektor cp1.jpg)

c0374f  No.638070

File: cbaa492e8cb77cb⋯.jpg (45.36 KB, 600x300, 2:1, Calico m950.jpg)

File: 002c2bac8dad963⋯.jpg (11.66 KB, 474x314, 237:157, Valmet M82.jpg)

File: 86e034cfe55c9b1⋯.jpg (545.66 KB, 1024x680, 128:85, ZH-05.jpg)

File: 5647cca542f0de6⋯.jpg (90.89 KB, 1024x683, 1024:683, Mateba model 6 Unica.jpg)

c0374f  No.638072

File: 2960cced6648f81⋯.jpg (35.32 KB, 640x339, 640:339, TOZ-81.jpg)

File: 72ae04d51b58619⋯.jpg (58.02 KB, 640x480, 4:3, Bushmaster arm pistol.jpg)

File: 8ec2db4e5442b4f⋯.jpg (48.73 KB, 1200x900, 4:3, Jatimatic.jpg)

c0374f  No.638073

File: 4ca995dce7f72fe⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 66.22 KB, 600x303, 200:101, ..jpg)

And last but not least my favorite one of all.

19c15e  No.638085








Are you having fun playing with yourself OP?

725299  No.638101

File: 8408b88369d942f⋯.png (693.97 KB, 2048x823, 2048:823, ClipboardImage.png)

24fba7  No.638108

File: f6b7be08673c289⋯.jpg (121.62 KB, 1500x790, 150:79, grhino.jpg)

I really like the chiappa rhino, it doesn't feel too bulky.

e464fa  No.638109


That third one looks like some shit out of Perfect Dark.

a234f9  No.638110

File: 2a2200ada396aed⋯.jpg (Spoiler Image, 2.12 MB, 2448x3264, 3:4, 20140725_144232.jpg)


You are like little baby. I came across this one in a museum in Istanbul.

c71c81  No.638112

File: d0c90774a934384⋯.jpg (24.18 KB, 1024x245, 1024:245, 3401.jpg)

e6515f  No.638117



Not Constantinople?

1b2e52  No.638119


Yes Istanbul

Not Constantinople

725299  No.638124


Been a long time gone, Constantinople

73ed0c  No.638149

File: 74edf01d80898b5⋯.jpg (26.93 KB, 400x400, 1:1, 1416534984070.jpg)


>supporting historical turkroach memes

8b4bbe  No.638151

e117c2  No.638159


But Strelok, I'm just curious,

Why did Constantinople get the works?

cb1f5f  No.638160

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


It is a song.

e6515f  No.638220

File: 96549fba11ecf20⋯.jpg (26.05 KB, 355x369, 355:369, come on boy.jpg)


>They Might Be Giants

>Not The Four Lads

180978  No.638233


that pic is hilarious. it actualy reads "Mount me from above"

b3a803  No.638569

File: 27609a87cca8c92⋯.jpg (58.73 KB, 632x418, 316:209, 9K5QmYQ.jpg)

Someone forgot the g36

065c62  No.638580


nigga that aint nobodies business but the turks

6ca582  No.638597

File: 95e82c943384055⋯.png (2.16 MB, 1750x2334, 875:1167, future guns.png)

I bet you'll faggots don't even have a backup sear triggers a.k.a stealth trigger

c330bd  No.639877

File: 6acba851d78c859⋯.jpeg (338.87 KB, 1600x900, 16:9, serveimage.jpeg)


Do you want to see peak autism?

cd8eb2  No.639879

File: b0401b617bdb450⋯.jpeg (98.25 KB, 620x329, 620:329, The gun the p90 could hav….jpeg)

Always loved pic related. What unaesthetic swine preferred the black plastic 'spess-gonne' look over this beautiful piece of hardware?


>A section of Kraut riflemen wearing eyepieces

Surely Germany can provide more 'tism than that?

c330bd  No.639927

File: ebe84e296190f8a⋯.jpeg (213.42 KB, 2992x1133, 272:103, serveimage.jpeg)


I didn't want to use the end-all argument.

6cd26a  No.639941


It's truly forward-thinking. In countries where the laws require trigger locks while transporting guns, it gives you both a means of firing it in an emergency anyway, and plausible deniability for why it fired.

>sorry officer, in the commotion the sear must have gotten bumped purely by accident, tragically shooting the church-going aspiring doctor-rapper. It's a known flaw in the design and there's nobody to be blamed, shikata ga nai :^)

cd8eb2  No.639976

File: a970f0b2cc87365⋯.jpg (400.56 KB, 677x1024, 677:1024, Le PAPOP, an OICW with ext….jpg)


H&K 36 (unofficial name 'no, not that one')

>almost no recoil

>4.6x36mm round has almost perfectly flat trajectory out to 300m

>Bullets 'spoon tip' design almost guarantees that the round will tumble on impact

<Bullet loses almost all energy much beyond 300m

<Designed with internal magazine rather than something useful

<Soldiers to be issued half their ammunition as normal rounds and half as tungsten carbide AP rounds (because the Germans continue to assume that logistics is the sort of thing that 'just happens')

That's much better Germany. You're still behind France's entry though, which was a shoulder mounted OICW attempt.

c2a4b3  No.640006


It reminds me of the Swedish MKR.

I wish the burgers had forced a microcalibre round onto NATO instead of 5.56 and 7.62.

29654e  No.640025


>Designed with internal magazine rather than something useful


Also, how would you aim a PAPOP? Is it muh cameras?

a234f9  No.640032


>how would you aim a PAPOP

According to Kikepedia those little square tabs on the top, the ones that would break off the first time you dropped the thing, are LCD screens with sighting displays.

c330bd  No.640079

File: f232bcb22ef9858⋯.jpeg (22.36 KB, 600x456, 25:19, serveimage.jpeg)


Because soldiers would be issued with ammo clips instead of magazines.

Basicallly you pop open a side panel on the magazine, flip a tab to retract the follower inside, put your clip in, close the panel and release the tab again.

This system was meant to reduce weight, because you no longer had to carry around magazines.

Instead of spending time loading individual rounds into magazines, it was also assumed that issuing standard-size ammo clips instead of individual rounds and magazines would save time.

There are sadly almost no pictures of it, and no video of it being operated, so we will never know just how autismic the system was.

But wait, there is more German 'tisms!

You know those Soviet GSh-23 guns? The ones on pretty much every soviet aircraft after the second world war? The ones that are in use until this day and have an insanely high maximum rate of fire, but can be adjusted to shoot slower on the fly? The ones mounted on Mil 24, Su25 and anything that is roasting Kebab in Syria right now?

Well, that's a German system invented by Karl Gast in 1916. Essentially it's two machine guns mounted together, but the recoil produced by one of them operates the other. Again, not much is known and there are even fewer pictures available. I am not even sure if there is a surviving model outside of the former Soviet Union.

OICW 8mm Mauser WWI edition.

d0fbde  No.640090

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.


>Basicallly you pop open a side panel on the magazine, flip a tab to retract the follower inside, put your clip in, close the panel and release the tab again.

How the hell did they manage to make something that's even worse than ww1 French rifles? They could have used a clip like the Garand; they could have made a replaceable magazine that can be loaded in the rifle like the Lee-Enfiled; they could have made it belt-fed with a feed system similar to what the Schwarzlose machine gun has. Instead they invented a rectangular wheel.

cd8eb2  No.640095


>Instead they invented a rectangular wheel

They're German engineers

>Have a particular part of a project you're working on

>There's a standardised solution that everyone uses perfectly well and that just works

>The superior Teutonic mind can improve on this!!!!

>There are several hundred other ways of preforming this function, all well known, all with their own disadvantages (their inferiority being the reason that the standard method is standard)

>Spend 2 hours designing something worse than all of them

>Spend several months coming up with reasons that your shit tier solution is actually very useful

>If anyone questions your work just scream "INNOVATIVE!" at them until they go away, then return to your room and weep as you masturbate to a photo of Albert Speer and wonder whether they'll ever greenlight your project to build a submarine out of bread.

ba49c7  No.640096


>t. needed germans to fix their own rifle

cd8eb2  No.640099


>t. so insecure about the inferiority of their cartridge that they screw over small arms development for everyone

d0fbde  No.640100


To be fair, it's still an imporvement over the dump-loading of the Ross Mark I. Although it's nearly the same system, just with the addition of a clip to hold the cartridges in place. But then you could add a charger guide to the Ross and then it would work just like any other charger-loaded firearm, with the unnecessary option to throw in a few loose cartridges. I think I'm going to get a stroke from this abomination of a loading system.

cd8eb2  No.640101

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>It's not as bad as the Ross Rifle

I suppose so, an I hope it's proud of itself.

8f8cb4  No.640113


That sounds a lot like that clip/belt device that one captured Mg08 has. You know the one.

c330bd  No.640123



>The superior Teutonic mind can improve on this!!!!

Without experimentation there is no innovation.

cd8eb2  No.640130


This is true, and the Germans have done some amazing things over the years. But for every stunning advance you do produce a fair few "Wait, Hans, what the fuck!" ideas or designs. Don't take friendly joshing as an insult mate.

c330bd  No.640260


>"Wait, Hans, what the fuck!"

Since 1871

321451  No.640286

I want to build an A1 Ar-15 but in 6.5 Cm for that Space Age look and a ballistic profile that would match it.

522590  No.640309

File: b1b89ab941dc0a6⋯.jpg (92.27 KB, 1200x676, 300:169, eins_zwei.jpg)


wtf I love Anglos now

321451  No.640313

File: 42b78525924231f⋯.jpg (1.24 MB, 2000x1213, 2000:1213, P7_3.jpg)

what about something like this?

dc0295  No.640589


I have one and just thinking about it makes me irrationally upset about how they weren't further developed.

11ce5c  No.641764

File: 885a93f844a67bd⋯.jpg (498.4 KB, 3422x2267, 3422:2267, 57A1.jpg)

File: bf4de87a1a2ad7b⋯.jpg (12.53 KB, 390x213, 130:71, ARG-MPA-5-390x213.jpg)

File: a2d47eb639d1096⋯.png (216.06 KB, 809x555, 809:555, colt scamp 2.png)

File: be29eecd3b4ce6d⋯.jpg (127.26 KB, 929x592, 929:592, Future GI.jpg)

File: e5df1b50a2153ce⋯.png (24.49 KB, 344x138, 172:69, G11_SMG.png)

11ce5c  No.641769

File: c7ce194fd39aca3⋯.jpg (261.04 KB, 1500x1345, 300:269, SMG2.jpg)

File: 12dc8f39eb38c33⋯.jpg (35.25 KB, 660x402, 110:67, 23244165_10215310675306789….jpg)

File: 8e3ad147d55c606⋯.jpg (191.3 KB, 1500x924, 125:77, mp5 pip 2 4.jpg)

File: e1ec3c4d1e59d1e⋯.jpg (161.67 KB, 1024x723, 1024:723, pss.jpg)

cd8eb2  No.641877


I love how that 1959 NBC gear looks like something a /k/ommando would put together in his garage for the day when S finally HTF.

a3d5ec  No.642127

File: 4db9c9a23ad345a⋯.jpg (35.11 KB, 1000x565, 200:113, forte vd1.jpg)

File: 615be4f7c96c094⋯.jpg (51.28 KB, 962x1024, 481:512, forte 1380918570519.jpg)

File: 8cbbf9f29da4170⋯.jpg (61.3 KB, 800x600, 4:3, forte_vd_01_by_kutejnikov-….jpg)

This would fit right in to a Robocop/Dredd/cyberpunk movie.

54ee7b  No.642132

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

0c77ef  No.642142

File: 84a363bcfdb697d⋯.jpg (63.61 KB, 800x604, 200:151, stamped aluminium 1911.jpg)

This thing really isn't futuristic at all, but there's just something about it that gives off that classic sci-fi raygun vibe and it really hits the spot.


There's no advanced technology that stays advanced forever - even the most spooky secret skunkworks voodoo going on today will eventually end up as something that a sufficiently motivated future-strelok could cobble together from parts he got at Radio Shack. Mark my words: give it enough time and we'll eventually see some madman riding a garage-built BigDog into battle, wearing a powered exoskeleton that he converted into some kind of jury-rigged lorica squamata by slapping as many AR500 plates on there as he could find, and wielding a Mosin-Nagant like a lance, skewering ATF agents in the back as they flee from him in terror whilst giggling like a lunatic as their bullets harmlessly bounce off him. It's inevitable.

cd8eb2  No.642147


>There's no advanced technology that stays advanced forever

True, it's just that at the moment the late '50s experimental gear is at just about the level that anybody with more spare time than things to do could put together without special training or experience and only a few days at the drawing board.

>Mark my words: give it enough time and we'll eventually see some madman riding a garage-built BigDog into battle, wearing a powered exoskeleton that he converted into some kind of jury-rigged lorica squamata by slapping as many AR500 plates on there as he could find, and wielding a Mosin-Nagant like a lance, skewering ATF agents in the back as they flee from him in terror whilst giggling like a lunatic as their bullets harmlessly bounce off him.

It's as beautiful as it is inevitable, except - hang on

>Lorica Squamata

For having such pleb tier taste in armour that faggot needs a bullet to the head. It's not bad enough to get me cheering for the ATF over the newfag in that scenario, but if he couldn't be bothered to put together even a Lorica Segmentata then he deserves everything he gets.

4a8896  No.642152

File: 9df1d8445445dfa⋯.png (530.82 KB, 500x533, 500:533, 3e9.png)


>infanterist der zukunft

cd8eb2  No.642243

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


>infanterist der zukunft

>all components linked by bluetooth

>So modular that you'll either never have the right bits or be carrying twice the weight a soldier already has to deal with

>'Constant improvement' design plan that worked so well for your tanks in the '40s

>all available now for only far too much money

mmmm, not quiet maximum autism, but still very tasty; do you think the EU armed forces are going to like it?

0c77ef  No.642342


Lorica segmentata definitely wins based on style alone, but from an ease-of-construction standpoint, it's got to be much simpler to put some holes in a hardened steel plate and hang it from some kind of backing material to make lorica squamata than it would be to have to bend hardened steel plates to curve around the body like you'd need in order to make lorica segmentata. Plus, there's the ease of obtaining the construction materials - for squamata, you just bulk-buy a fuckton of steel targets. Hell, hanging targets already have the holes drilled through them already. It'd be as simple as "Add to cart (Qty: 500)", then you nig-rig them onto your robosuit and become death, destroyer of worlds.


>do you think the EU armed forces are going to like it?

Not enough gizmos and gadgets. It's a good start, but the zogbots would still be more man than machine, and that just ain't right.

11ce5c  No.642353

File: 05358b5c63a9a25⋯.jpg (32.46 KB, 541x223, 541:223, lmg11.jpg)

File: 2ebced3277128d8⋯.jpg (25.97 KB, 650x418, 325:209, 20003.jpg)

File: 3120f2083a2ca12⋯.jpg (28.02 KB, 650x329, 650:329, tkb 22.jpg)

File: c00ec93c47e7664⋯.jpg (224.2 KB, 1265x832, 1265:832, s4m.jpg)

6105df  No.642356


Looking at this goodness, i guess i'll just reference my post in other thread.


cd8eb2  No.642362


>an ease-of-construction standpoint

If the guy is building a Big-Dog style combat mount then I think it's a fair assumption that he has the resources, ability, and autism to build something at least based on the segmentata. By that point you could probably buy centimetre thick sheets of carbon nanatube at your local hardware store (or something equally over the top), put a gambeson type waistcoat underneath (liquid armour?) and he's sorted, for torso shots at least. Then again, if he's fighting as cavalry he'd probably be better going for a Cataphracts armour, which would be closer to your original suggestion.

11ce5c  No.642365

File: 81e1fc625fd2d94⋯.jpg (23.34 KB, 538x157, 538:157, Calico Shotgun.jpg)

11ce5c  No.642369

File: 9a4f5afab32b11f⋯.jpg (484.17 KB, 1532x1014, 766:507, Shoulder Thing 2.jpg)

File: 576aea802d26d5a⋯.jpg (554.68 KB, 1532x1014, 766:507, shoulder thing.jpg)

6105df  No.642375


Holy shit, this one would be dislocating entire torso when firing.

7aaffa  No.642378

File: f95bd49b3dfa0c9⋯.jpg (184.59 KB, 900x600, 3:2, serveimage.jpg)


Get on my level pleb.

Also ours is actually fairly with most infantry units equipped.

11ce5c  No.642379

File: 2d35138062ed90c⋯.jpg (31.19 KB, 565x257, 565:257, WSG2000side.jpg)

File: b9cbf70a19cb534⋯.jpg (98.58 KB, 1022x471, 1022:471, FAL Bullpup.jpg)

File: ff06e682c09c12d⋯.jpg (22.05 KB, 350x210, 5:3, hk73.jpg)

File: da8a0caeee3d95f⋯.jpg (39.58 KB, 556x182, 278:91, hk79close.jpg)

File: 19a08df124a7bb6⋯.jpg (69.95 KB, 960x960, 1:1, Holster.jpg)

11ce5c  No.642382

File: 37922b622389c8d⋯.jpg (209.22 KB, 1280x825, 256:165, VKS.jpg)

Any new cool shit being developed?

cd8eb2  No.642383


From what I could see from a quick search it mostly seems to be computer kit. Or at least that's the stuff they're happy to talk about.

6105df  No.642384


>That FAl

Oh, God, no.


Comes with the feature of shooting the wearer in the shoulder in critical situations, very handy for pacifying women and/or retarded.


This one is meh. They've been trying to pull off old "bigger is better" with the caliber but designed unwieldy shit that adds like 100m to VSS range but is not only heavy and unwieldy which is awful at these distances, but is incompatible with the ammo used in other guns using this caliber. Other things like PP-2000 also follow the trend, just with fire rate. Add amount of propaganda and wuss to taste.

11ce5c  No.642385

File: d10bfabf9727386⋯.jpg (38.55 KB, 562x401, 562:401, Pump Shotgun.jpg)

File: e0b9fdf1900836e⋯.png (58.44 KB, 600x175, 24:7, Prototype.png)

File: 0de93d883503fb9⋯.jpg (29.1 KB, 750x373, 750:373, Rifle.jpg)

7ec6c7  No.642390


What was the purpose of the MR-C beyond making the average infantry man look like he belongs in Halo? Was it just a amalgam of various memes?

c330bd  No.642504


It didn't even get to prototype phase. It's not even a meme.

11ce5c  No.642559

File: 7f95db5d2ef6923⋯.jpg (32.88 KB, 351x331, 351:331, hk73mag.jpg)

File: 15e4c6d9266e779⋯.jpg (50.33 KB, 640x480, 4:3, Deagle Carbine.jpg)

Why has there been a lack of new guns the past 30 years? everything is some variant of an AK or AR nowadays. when do you think the next big thing will happen or will there be laser AKs in the future?

0de864  No.642565


1. There reaches a point in any technology where you can't improve anymore. It may take longer for certain technologies, sometimes development takes longer and the technology is still in development. You WILL get a better smartphone in the future, you WON'T get a better claw hammer which hasn't improved in 2,000 years. Machine guns, assault rifles, battle rifles, submachine guns, ect., reached apogee decades ago. The revolutions are long, long, long over.

2. Domineering faggots in the US and Russia force their design upon the rest of the world. Soviets flooded the world with AK's, now the US is using the lure of military contracts to foreign companies as a way to get places like H&K to adopt their designs for new mass production, slowly pushing arms production towards 'Murica" first, eventually pushing Stoner's shitty AR on the entire (formerly) free world.

Basically we all get to eat modern neo-imperialism. The Soviet's made sure their design was pushed on their sphere, now the US is playing catchup to push the Whizz Kids Magic Super Moon Shooting Space Gun on the rest of the world decades after standarization in the US military. First the US bullied NATO into dropping a proper intermediate cartridge, then they went to too small an intermediate cartridge and then forced THAT on NATO, now they are finally getting to pushing their "Murican" AR. They basically cry and scream and throw fits and use their leverage to push their own way against the rest of the west, and they get away with it because they can.

c330bd  No.642570


Innovation is risky. It costs a lot of money to develop something new, and if it doesn't work much better than what is already available there is a big chance that nobody will ever buy it.


>There reaches a point in any technology where you can't improve anymore.

I disagree based on the definition of "improve", you can always improve anything. Let's take the claw hammer for an example. Let's say that your current claw hammer does what it is meant to do. But it costs 2$. A guy comes along and makes a new hammer that costs 1$ and does the same job, but the handle is uncomfortable to hold.

Do you consider it an improvement because it's cheaper and does the same job, or the opposite, because it's uncomfortable. Improvements can only be measured in certain aspects.

In firearms terms, a cheaper gun that lasts longer may be an improvement for a gunsmith, but if it can't hit shit it's the opposite for a soldier. Improvement depends on your choice or priorities.

6105df  No.642571


This, but i think it's also the gun-hating trend across EU that is to blame. Firearms are so restricted and controlled that almost any manufacturing industry is fated to either go bankrupt or be kept alive by the state support and protectionism, and the states aren't as interested in home gun industry, because of the political situation and aforementioned trends too, so it can just choose a more economic decision of buying guns from some 3rd party that is out of reach and local regulations, especially if you ignore strategical disadvantages of that approach.

e3a46b  No.642573


>Machine guns, assault rifles, battle rifles, submachine guns, ect., reached apogee decades ago. The revolutions are long, long, long over.

Up until a combination of new technologies and doctrines makes all current military small arms a hinderance in a firefight. But for that to happen we need a war where those technologies and doctrines can prove themselves.

11ce5c  No.642578


didnt loads of firearms manufactureres shut down years because no one is buying their guns?

theres many times america has set up programs just to drop them at the last minute and fucking everyone over

0de864  No.642582


That is a good point. S&W being a familiar example, because of manufacturing changes the revolvers in the civilian market stay the same price or slightly drop, with inflation in the US this means the guns are technically getting cheaper as the money devalues. They are durable, still good, but they aren't nearly as good as they used to be without hand fitting and lapping by a master, that brought up the price. The new "improved" CNC dominated revolvers are cheap and effective, without the bells and whistles, and just plain not as nice, to keep them affordable in an autoloader dominated market.

Indeed, many a product goes backwards to go forward. A very good point.


I'll agree, take a look at what pro gun laws and low gun prices in the US leads to, a massive and powerful civilian market that keeps a vibrant and large industry in business. Despite all the hate for the M14, despite its short stay in the US military as a frontline line infantry rifle, Springfield has made money making a semi auto civilian version long after the M16 came to prominence in the military. The civilian market can keep certain guns and companies (Springfield is a new company, not original Springfield, but still) alive long after military contracts end. Auto Ordnance is still putting together semi auto Tommy guns for the public, a design about a century old, on equipment that's sometimes almost as old, long after newer submachine guns dominated the market for security and military and police.

You have hunting rifle and shotgun companies in Europe, and you have the major military arms makers, that's it. One survives off a restricted but often rich specialty market and the other by the state. No room for anything like the US, so another very good point.


What technologies and doctrines do you see on the horizon that will make heavy and light infantry in their current state obsolete?

6105df  No.642583


Sure, there's no denying that, but loss of markets even in the home country of a company and lack of support that these companies once got(even if it's just less strict regulations/other barriers or tax cuts) did significant amount of damage and heavily hindered development. Just yesterday i've posted some of my research about Belgian VBR company and its creations. It's been doing alright, with some selling designs and was pretty open to customers, with detailed information, research and stuff, but was almost shut down and reduced to selling all its stuff to government agents only. All despite their round, for example, being designed to NOT be a threat against vests in non-AP configuration.

0c77ef  No.642584

File: e5266b5281b471b⋯.jpg (64.39 KB, 500x680, 25:34, in_hell_if_you_need_me.jpg)


Innovation comes from some guy having a flash of inspiration and then doing what it takes to bring that idea into reality. Over the past few decades, it's just been laws, laws, and more laws, completely choking the life out of the entire process. The only people who are allowed to make any serious attempt are the big business that have been around for forever, who have all the licences and contracts and patents and special exemptions and all that bullshit, but big business deal in big projects which cost big money. Doing something new is risky, so if they lose, they lose big. They don't want to take risks - they want to sell the exact same products to the exact same customers, over and over and over again, forever, so that's exactly what they do. They don't have to innovate unless one of their competitors decides to innovate, and they all have the exact same mindset, so none of them ever do anything new because they're all very happy with the status quo. They just keep squabbling over the same old defence contracts, peddling the exact same tired old designs that they've been churning out for as long as anyone can remember.

Meanwhile, Joe Blow (who actually has a real interest in the subject matter, instead of just treating it as a convenient way to fill his pockets with taxpayers' money) can come up with a bona fide game-changer, but since bringing that idea to fruition would result in death by red tape, he's forced to just sit down and shut up, like a good citizen.

e3a46b  No.642585


>What technologies and doctrines do you see on the horizon that will make heavy and light infantry in their current state obsolete?

Artillery. I mean, modern artillery will wipe out any large formations that are outside of a city, and so in the future all infantry combat will be like Stalingrad. Now, if you with today's technology wanted to outfit an infantry division for Stalingrad, then you'd end up with something rather different from what you see today. Here is just this single piece of technology:


A thermobaric version of this weapon would be incredibly effective inside a city, a pair of barely trained riflemen would be deadlier that an pair of excellent snipers. This one weapon alone could force an army to rethink its body armour.

a89e91  No.642692

File: cf9b5bd8a84c80b⋯.jpg (176.81 KB, 929x592, 929:592, Future_ZOG.jpg)

a234f9  No.642844


>like a good citizen subject.

b030e0  No.642890


that's nobodies business but the turks

7cc2bb  No.642915


>can into runes


Found you, Cletus Xiangzhou IIIrd. How's the uyghur genocide workin' out for ya?

18173a  No.642921


What's with pole on /k/ and their fascination with turk, arab and muslim.

Are you the resident turk?

664756  No.642973


He is probably cuckpole, don't mind him.

58d8d8  No.642980

File: d772d612b2fa442⋯.jpg (244.3 KB, 1024x819, 1024:819, 30drd idea.jpg)

File: ab67dfb6a737227⋯.png (136.07 KB, 1523x1132, 1523:1132, canned ammospam.png)


does it make me a bad person that I like the helical mag forward design? Or helical mags on pistols in general?

c330bd  No.643022

File: cbc1b9c8b877a81⋯.jpeg (302.82 KB, 1523x1132, 1523:1132, a.jpeg)

11ce5c  No.643633

File: 285fd2113da1c27⋯.jpg (19.02 KB, 622x352, 311:176, T148E1.jpg)

File: 91dedf13104c059⋯.jpg (102.38 KB, 1072x369, 1072:369, TommySteele'sTSV.jpg)

File: 4a18828390f77f2⋯.jpg (122.28 KB, 684x384, 57:32, VAG 73 48 round.jpg)

File: 5dca609694a4c54⋯.jpg (2.53 MB, 2610x2048, 1305:1024, visser-126c.jpg)

File: fd08d3f87e4c127⋯.jpg (20.94 KB, 800x600, 4:3, SDK.jpg)

64cbb8  No.643646


For every one Angl*scum crying, "Wait, Hans, what the fuck?", there are twenty voices screaming in reply, "Wait, Nigel, what the fuck?"

310590  No.643690

File: 3b8ad4d6840d7ff⋯.png (1.11 MB, 1070x1658, 535:829, 3036_31_91-pivot-mechanism….png)

File: e0523bda7578c2b⋯.png (72.95 KB, 434x224, 31:16, Gast.png)

File: d39032d29ee21df⋯.png (161.01 KB, 600x637, 600:637, gast-792.png)


Some further pics of the Gast system for you or anyone else that wants to see more of it.

93366e  No.643699



>on the mag

Don't worry, goy, just buy anuddah Magpul™ RVG® for each mag.

11ce5c  No.645327

File: 7b22f5f81d8ea26⋯.jpg (15.59 KB, 500x191, 500:191, AR-16 2.jpg)

File: 94104d580c4c032⋯.jpg (123.08 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, knorr bremese.jpg)

File: e6fe35542885c0e⋯.jpg (48.47 KB, 650x515, 130:103, TKB 023.jpg)

File: 83c4a804438c20e⋯.jpg (65.96 KB, 600x404, 150:101, Type11Bullpup.jpg)

File: 413b3356ee1e4bb⋯.jpg (45.43 KB, 427x529, 427:529, ვაზნა.jpg)

14e12f  No.645371




According to me, those are made of resin and broken dreams.

e490b0  No.645381

File: 7392cf428c4b51f⋯.jpg (74.83 KB, 1600x703, 1600:703, Maxim Silverman 1896.jpg)

File: 910f5dc62d013a9⋯.jpg (76.84 KB, 1600x703, 1600:703, Maxim Silverman 1896 rever….jpg)

File: e13ae5d00ebd246⋯.jpg (247.29 KB, 1600x858, 800:429, schwarzlose1898.jpg)

File: 027e45798bfb234⋯.jpg (221.35 KB, 1600x846, 800:423, schwarzlose1898 EQB1-Z-F2-….jpg)

File: 1392585e40dc023⋯.jpg (77.74 KB, 960x690, 32:23, Bordchardt C93(1).jpg)

Some early selfloaders were really out there.

5eec64  No.645382

>barrel almost never as low as the wrist

When will the future care about accuracy? All the low barrel guns win this contest hands down.

e490b0  No.645383

File: 4b966a4f1e74f58⋯.jpg (41.95 KB, 800x458, 400:229, Bergmann_M1896_no._3_-_rig….jpg)

File: 8d8b2e151c329f8⋯.jpg (267.73 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, Bergmann1896_clip.jpg)

File: a6f8da886454072⋯.jpg (384.16 KB, 4048x2198, 2024:1099, Bergmann 1910 - 3.jpg)

File: b3e223cc21c9008⋯.jpg (68.33 KB, 1024x707, 1024:707, frommer 1910 767.jpg)

File: 171bbf55b4088bc⋯.jpg (171.15 KB, 1500x732, 125:61, Mars Semiautomatic 1438.jpg)

ce47b8  No.645392


Can't find all that much information on them, or much more than a few promotional pics. Was there anything interesting about them besides the weird firing position?

11ce5c  No.647325

File: d7ebab15345bdf9⋯.jpg (648.38 KB, 1500x865, 300:173, Revolver Rifle (2).jpg)

File: d22f091db5d21f2⋯.jpg (18.65 KB, 661x339, 661:339, SWATriplex_2.jpg)

3f548d  No.647340


The thing never made it to prototyping, it's literally a very early "concept" for a possible requirement of GL/rifle as it was the trend.

They're models, not guns.

8d960f  No.647356


>'The Mars Automatic Pistol was rejected by the British War Office as a possible replacement for the Webley & Scott revolver, then in service with the British Army, because of the unacceptably large recoil, considerable muzzle flash, and mechanical complexity. The captain in charge of tests of the Mars at the Naval Gunnery School in 1902 observed, "No one who fired once with the pistol wished to shoot it again". Shooting the Mars pistol was described as "singularly unpleasant and alarming".'

>half a decade of development, testing and revisal

>reasonably ahead of its time

>mechanically fiddly with a heavy trigger pull, but continually improves in reliability

>vomits several inches of long recoil assemblage every time it fires, C96 eat your heart out

>spits cartridges directly backwards to show how much it loves the shooter

>flounders because Hugh Gabbet-Fairfax is slow to work and refuses to fork develop into a mass producible proof-of-concept variant nor one chambering anything less powerful & more commercially viable than one of his limited production proprietary bottlenecked mega-magnum cartridges dumping .45 caliber at twice the velocity of .45 ACP or a smaller cartridge down to .33 caliber even faster

Was it autism?

8f8cb4  No.647370

File: 874f7e33f409f87⋯.png (32.35 KB, 1495x311, 1495:311, k - britbong gives life to….png)

ce47b8  No.647541

File: 9482a2b003e76a9⋯.jpg (57.09 KB, 596x512, 149:128, Sage BML 37mm - we all kno….jpg)


So glad somebody capped this

4ce06d  No.647543

File: ce23e083c9b0cb9⋯.jpg (48.58 KB, 600x557, 600:557, 45 Colt, 454 Casull, 460 M….jpg)



The cartridges aren't that crazy actually, modern .45 Colt loads with smokeless powder can easily outperform .45 Mars Long, and that's not even an actual magnum. But it really puts into perspective his work: he was competing with magnum cartridges decades before the magnum revolution even began, and with an automatic pistol.

344d53  No.647545


What's wrong with 5.7 and HK stuff :(

I like the five seven purely for the meme of it and the HK P7 because muh squeeze cock :)

8f8cb4  No.647546


5.7's problem is explained by ivan easily, i.e you're paying a premium for something that at best is 9mm. HK on the other hand is price for some folk and their lackluster customer service. I love the shit out of the Mk23, ain't no manlet gun.


I enjoyed doing so.


Englishmen are insane.

ce47b8  No.647547

File: 59c626cbc3fac08⋯.jpg (415.31 KB, 980x1598, 490:799, Look into his eyes, you ca….jpg)


>Englishmen are insane.

Don't pretend it doesn't work, Québécois

8f8cb4  No.647548


Ain't no frog, nor leaf. Wrong side of the continent.

ce47b8  No.647550


You're Mexican?

8f8cb4  No.647553

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