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There's no discharge in the war!

File: d1b77de53eb776f⋯.png (244.02 KB, 503x562, 503:562, ClipboardImage.png)

33c9d4  No.640303

Critics say it could weaken NATO, or lead to Russian troops in Belarus

>Poles like being reminded of the time they came to America’s defence. Meeting his counterpart in November, James Mattis, America’s now-departed defence secretary, waxed lyrical about General Tadeusz Kosciuszko, who built a string of vital forts during America’s revolutionary war. Poland’s government hopes America will return the favour with some fort-building of its own.

>Having been repeatedly carved up by bigger powers, Poland is keen to cement alliances. It rushed to join nato in 1999, and in 2016 welcomed the headquarters of nato’s “enhanced forward presence” scheme, which stationed 4,600 combat-ready troops in eastern Europe. Yet neither this, nor the several thousand American soldiers who rotate through Poland annually, nor the nato missile defence system America is building on the country’s Baltic Sea coast have settled Polish nerves.

>Documents leaked last May showed Poland had asked America to deploy an armoured division (roughly 15,000 troops) permanently on its soil, to which Poland would contribute up to $2bn. The proposal was sprinkled with references to 1776 and quotes from President Donald Trump’s speech in Warsaw in July 2017. It noted that Poland is one of the few allies that meet nato’s target of spending 2% of gdp on defence. It alluded to Poland’s contributions to American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and to America’s 70% favourability rating among Poles. Maps of potential locations even showed the schools that the hypothetical Americans’ offspring might attend. In September Andrzej Duda, Poland’s president, tried to close the deal: the base could be called “Fort Trump”.

>Though this struck many Poles as toe-curlingly crass, the proposal kicked off a serious debate. Supporters, including some American generals, argue that a permanent deployment would be preferable to the current rotational arrangement, because commanders would get to know their surroundings. Sceptics replied that America does not have tanks to spare and that moving existing units eastward from Germany would make them a juicy target for Russian rocket artillery.

>Critics also warn that Russia could respond by building up forces in Kaliningrad, its European exclave to Poland’s north, or in Belarus. Alexander Lukashenko, Belarus’ autocratic president, has beaten back Russian demands for a base for years, but American tanks next door could force his hand. That, in turn, would create a headache for Ukraine, which might have to shift forces to defend its border with Belarus. A bilateral deal, cut over nato’s head, might compound growing unease over America’s commitment to multilateral alliances. The Baltic states “would inevitably feel marginalised”, a recent Estonian study cautioned.

>Another worry is that an American base might deepen the wedge between Poland and the eu. In 2009 Poland helped launch talks on the eu’s Permanent Structured Cooperation (pesco), a framework for European defence co-operation. But in 2017 it was the last to sign the agreement, underlining its tilt towards America. In 2016 the government cancelled an order for 50 Airbus helicopters, offending France. Instead it is pumping much of its growing defence budget into an American Patriot air defence system worth $4.8bn. The eu also frets that an American base would convey approval for Poland’s illiberal nationalist government, hampering the bloc’s efforts to stop it from weakening the judiciary and undermining the rule of law.

>Congress has told the Pentagon to report on the feasibility of a base by March 1st. A huge garrison looks less likely than a slimmer deployment, perhaps to existing sites. American officials fear the proposed new sites lack space for tank manoeuvres. In December Mr Duda suggested that Mr Mattis’s departure would make it “easier to talk”, as he had been sceptical of the idea. But the Pentagon is in disarray, with the new leadership unlikely to rank eastern Europe high on its agenda.

https://archive.is/wdQlZ

f13e7a  No.640307

>>640303

Poland tries for the reverse Stalingrad gambit.


76dfcf  No.640312

Why a fort? Russia won't play around.


0f2d52  No.640314

>>640307

Why is Poland so dedicated to sucking off neocons?


0f2d52  No.640315

>>640314

didn't mean to quote


1c8aab  No.640316

File: bd9c3cc6d2107ba⋯.png (65.88 KB, 187x211, 187:211, bd9c3cc6d2107ba0b57b326183….png)


62a270  No.640336

Poland's Americanization is painful to watch. They shouldn't be this naive; they'll look like Germany in a decade at this pace.

They need to stop cowering from Russia and pursue good, if not terribly close relations. I get being mad about Katyn and occupation, but begging to become an American protectorate isn't healthy.

A strong central European bloc would be ideal, and there are existing structures to build off of. Between the V4, the Three Seas Initiative, and the CEDC, the states of the region really just need to build up their economies to lessen dependence on the EU and America.

>>640314

Polish and American military cooperation goes all the way back, so there's a historical aspect to it, but I suspect it mostly comes down to Duda and his clique wanting guaranteed defense against Russia while also not having faith in it's EU allies, and not wanting their harmful agitation for migrant invasion and general faggotry. They know that the neoconservative faction in American politics is often all too happy to send arms and men wherever the supposed enemy might be. Though the Russian boogeyman wasn't the center of attention for some time, recent developments in internal American bullshit, and the relative deescalation in the Levant, the attention is returning.


b04df5  No.640337

File: c7e37527bd49d0e⋯.png (32.94 KB, 1130x900, 113:90, what the fuck is going on ….png)

Poland, you are independent nation now. You need to choose.

>Will you build your own factories, produce weapons, increase military spending, arm your troops with new gear, and become fully autonomous?

Or

<Buy all weapons from other countries and beg america to protect you like a whore?

Truly, they know how to make the right choices.


bcca4e  No.640348

Honestly kind of retarded.


5f35ff  No.640415

File: 3bb36bbec1c014d⋯.png (24.08 KB, 670x604, 335:302, 3bb36bbec1c014dc8e0d8d8450….png)

Im so sorry you had to see this

Polish upper echelons of power are stuffed to the brim with american spies and puppets, they would sell their own souls for the pat on the back from americans.


626ee6  No.640416

>>640303

WE WILL BUILD A FORT

AND THE EU WILL PAY FOR IT


626ee6  No.640417

>>640314

>Why is Poland so dedicated to sucking off neocons?

Both countries have been run by zionist jews since forever.


eada95  No.640420

>20th century

>anglokike will save us

>21st century

>muttkike will save us

Poland is like the saddest thing on Earth.


eada95  No.640421

>>640337

When they cant barely survive day by day with the EU gibs me dats from their polish kike whore they sent to Germany, what make you think they are capable of industry?


f923b3  No.640422

Poland should get strong by themselves.

US cannot protect anyone let alone themselves.


9d63c9  No.640423

>>640303

>lead to Russian troops in Belarus

Pls someone tell those "experts" Belarussian dictator is a literal stalinist commie who voted against own country's independence in 1991 and the troops are already there.


f923b3  No.640424

>>640423

The russians consider Belarus their backyard.

No fucking body complains of course.


13b7f4  No.640425

File: 1a7594bbb8c2a72⋯.jpg (191.3 KB, 698x941, 698:941, 1f8fcf84ddbe694e8d482b800f….jpg)

>>640420

Katyn 2: forget what’s legal… might makes right! Coming to an American satrap near you!


a75776  No.640426

>>640337

>solar cycle 2019

>trusting Poland to make smart geopolitical decisions


0afc52  No.640428

>>640314

It's in polish nature to suck dicks.

They sucked Catholic dicks until the catholics sold them out to Russia, so they started polishing Russian dicks.

Then when they got their country back by pure happenstance they quickly got on their knees to suck British dicks, until the British sold them out to Russia so they got to polish Russian dicks.

Then when they got their country back by pure happenstance so now they're sucking US dicks, until the US sell them out to Russia so will be polishing Russian dicks.

There is no better country to illustrate the "slave mentality" than Poland.

Of course a lot of Pole are aware that their elite have this disease and regularly try, and sometimes succeeded in History, to have an actual national policy that isn't sucking up to which people the average pole politician think is stronger and foster their inner strength and their actual national interest instead.

That's the only thing I wish for Poland.

>>640423

>>640424

>>640303

You people are aware that Russia and Belarus are in what would historically called a "Dynastic union".

I mean with treaties and everything.

As in Russia doesn't need to "send" their soldiers there because it's the same State, they live there already? As in they have a united command structure, united air defense and radar net, united formation and training, etc…

It's what would happen if the European part of NATO and the EU were merged. You can still have disagreement between members but de facto it's disagreements between provinces of the same "country".


f6139f  No.640431

>>640428

So why have them be two countries? Why not just annex Belarus? Is it because of NATO kvetching?


8ef508  No.640432

>>640337

>Will you build your own factories, produce weapons, increase military spending, arm your troops with new gear, and become fully autonomous?

Weren't they doing exactly that a few years ago with their grumpy defense minister and stealth tanks?


f923b3  No.640434

>>640431

Easier for diplomatic purpose and money laundering.

Belarus is a vassal of Russia


f923b3  No.640436

>>640428

If the poles have started to get their shit togerher after WW1, a lot of unnecessary war would have been avoided.

They certainly have the men and industry to become a regional power.


eada95  No.640449

>>640436

>polish industry

Can spermutt/gooklarper stop being retarded for once?


f923b3  No.640452

>>640449

But they do have it, you goddamn fake kraut.


0afc52  No.640453

>>640431

Because Russia isn't a comics villain?

As long as what their perceived to be their strategic interests and stability requirements are satisfied they don't give a fuck of how provinces are internally ruled. It's a fucking headache to rules a land that big and that diverse already, there is no point adding to it.


4ac231  No.640455

>>640314

Because communist stooges either fled to Israel or stayed and work with whoever pays them the best, on the condition they can undermine the interests of Poland.

>>640426

Careful about accusing countries of independence and expecting their leaders to make smart decisions.

>>640436

>If the poles have started to get their shit togerher after WW1

We were, unfortunately Ukraine showed their gratitude to only country that didn't laugh and call them retarded subhumans when ukrainians wanted independence by starting a war in which they got BTFO while soviets watched and laughed at both their targets losing resources fighting each other, then Soviet Union invaded and anglokikes were nice enough to give us loans so we could buy weapons from abroad because for 123 years partitioning powers ensured there isn't a single arms factory in Poland (Russians went the extra mile to keep the territories they annexed in XVIII century)

To make things worse nobody except Hungary provided any support to Poland when fighting bolsheviks, and now, in the year 2019 you end up with braindead retards who are not only unironic democrats, but say that Poland should've continued war with Bolsheviks despite not having means of wagining it and having to take more loans from anglokikes so that whites (entente's friends who wanted new, free democratized Russia) win, and Poland is only allowed to exist within ethnic borders which were muddied on purpose throughout partitions.


f923b3  No.640456

>>640453

Belarus has a stalinist puppet that can rule itself well and Russia can clearly move troops thorough the countryside, there's no need for official annexation.


2ea830  No.640483

>>640314

Because kike gov installed in Warszaviv is under direct control of United States of Jewry


1c8aab  No.640484

>>640415

You're a nice polandman


ee2c07  No.640502

>>640432

> grumpy defense minister and stealth tanks

you mean a zionist puppet and cardboard mockups?


4ac231  No.640511

>>640502

>Macierewicz

>the guy who started purging commies from the army, created a private guerilla, originally drafted the bill (along with korwin) to name all the soviet operatives (unfortunately president wałęsa was one of them so he shut down the government overnight)

>Zionist

Try harder.

Also fun fact, in Poland the President isn't Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces, Minister of Defense can override his decisions.


143cb5  No.640514

>>640511

I don't know, anon. Our first post-commie president was a dissident, yet he was a massive zionist. It feels as though a lot of the supposedly anti-commie activists were actually controlled opposition


4ac231  No.640518

>>640514

Wałęsa was the controlled op


2ea830  No.640521

>>640511 (checked)

Macierewicz is not only pinko himself, but a jew as well. Little kike on leash.


4ac231  No.640530

>>640521

>he's a jew communist therefore communist jewish media for poles (gazeta wyborcza owned by (((Adam Szechter))) and Amerikike owned TVN) have him as #1 public enemy

unlikely.


f13e7a  No.640531

>>640420

The difference being that the anglokikes sold them out to the sovietkikes, whereas the muttkikes will force them to self-pozz with "diversity" migrants and "muh human rights to be degenerate" with the goal of extinguishing their genetic heritage within a generation or two.

One was slavery, the other will be annihilation.


143cb5  No.640532

>>640531

Commies did diversity as well, only on a smaller scale.


d190b6  No.640533

>>640511

Excellent. I never understood how could a civilian with no military experience or expertise be in charge of a countrys military…


2ea830  No.640560

File: 6933b46d22e1b0c⋯.jpg (17.23 KB, 474x345, 158:115, proxy.duckduckgo.com.jpg)

>>640530

If being one of top members in communist government is not enaugh - one picture is worth thousand of words


113ab6  No.640570

>>640431

Russia isn't annexing Belarussia because then they'd have to feed millions of annoying incompetents.

There's a myth in the west that USSR collapsed because "strong independent" microstates decided to break their relationship with Russia…. when it's the other way around.

Russia INITIATED the falling apart of USSR, because Russians were sick of paying welfare to countries like Poland, Estonia, Ukraine etc. Soviets even gave Ukraine Crimea for no fucking reason, imagine if American government just gave a few states to niggers, that's how fucking stupid the welfare level was.

>>640432

>grumpy defense minister and stealth tanks?

The "stealth tank" was a CV-90-120 with applique foam blocks to insulate it from IR sensors. But it cost almost as much as a Leopard.

Entire thing was a joke.


f1f3b8  No.640580

>>640570

> incompetents

Nigga, Belarus still produces a lot of stuff for your military.


113ab6  No.640599

File: e5a08cbbb761407⋯.jpg (56.46 KB, 1068x712, 3:2, annoyed.jpg)

>>640580

Not the people, the belarussian government.

Most of the welfare Russia paid out to minor SSRs was for the local governments, or to cover up mismanagement caused by local government. Anything ever sent to the people would be pocketed by the local government, and the people would hate Russians for not helping them, which is exactly what local governments wanted.

Crimea was state-welfare. Given to Ukraine to help them survive Holodomor, which was caused by dumb Ukrainian government ordering the execution of 40% of the farmers Occupied Rhodesia-style.

Although the people do get some of the blame for not murdering the government immediately, and for falling for the local governments bullshit and blaming russia for all their troubles.


f1f3b8  No.640608

>>640599

> Holodomor, which was caused by dumb Ukrainian government

And that's how I know you are a shill.


87d1ae  No.640609

>>640303

>fort donald trump

What good is a fort without any walls.


4ac231  No.640615

>>640570

<Russians were sick of paying welfare to countries like Poland

>building dehumanizing blocks everywhere

>eradicating culture and murdering elites

>locust like exploitation of natural reserves

such generous offerings, how could we ever repay

<holodomor was caused by ukraine and not kikes

reported.


113ab6  No.640618

>>640608

Nigger what?

>>640615

Yeah they put a gun to your head, and threatened to kill you if you didn't let them build housing for you. There was a stupid fucking movement where more "nature" can be saved by shifting urban sprawl vertically, it's an architectural movement starting around the 50s. And to be honest it was necessary due to rapid urbanization, this shit happened everywhere even in the West.

>eradicating culture and murdering elites

A) Everybodys culture was eradicated, this was work of the bolshevik jews who wanted to make sure no culture was solid enough to find jews objectionable. Blaming Russians is retarded considering their culture has been reduced to adidas and sunflower seeds.

B) Only a butthurt belter could make "elites" and "intellectuals" sound like good people. A plane full of elites and intellectuals crashed into a swamp and currently Poland is entering a golden age of sovereignty unseen since before WWII.

>reported

Ukrainian government WAS kikes at the time, so was Soviet general government.


113ab6  No.640619

>>640618

by the way in the west, the jews specifically started the "counterculture" to destroy western culture. it's not a polish phenomenon.


b00626  No.640620


167840  No.640621

>>640303

Maybe the defense against Russia is the public facade.

http://archive.fo/ELKnC

An EU army would be more of a threat to Poland's sovereignty and culture over Russian influence and military power. There is no reason for such a EU military coalition when its covered by NATO and UNSC, unless the reason is to force members, non-members, or a civilian resistance to the EU.

But hey, I know nothing of Polish politics and I am assuming Polish leadership know what they are doing without being malicious.


4ac231  No.640625

>>640621

I wish America sent only the niggest, rapiest zogbots who'd rape local women so fucktarded poles would stop having 70% approval of Zogged states of America, because nobody in this country ever learns until at least 5 disasters occur.


f1f3b8  No.640634

>>640618

I smell Olgino propaganda.


113ab6  No.640652

>>640634

Congrats you let some public college marketing graduate working at RFR control your frigging sense of smell. I heard of people getting told what to think but I never heard of people getting told what to smell.


d190b6  No.640665

>>640625

>yfw the same applies to your country


fa6f2b  No.640707

>>640307

wtf does that even mean


929d6a  No.640709

File: 2692d5cac77842c⋯.jpg (7.85 KB, 199x199, 1:1, 15354924722670.jpg)

>>640599

>Given to Ukraine to help them survive Holodomor, which was caused by dumb Ukrainian government

I adore /k/ history lessons. Such a masterpiece on so many levels.


113ab6  No.640711

>>640709

Tell me about ancient alien ukrainians helping the egyptians build pyramids, History-San.


4d3955  No.640753

>>640336

From what I have observed, Katyn and occupation aren't really major reasons but rather they are simply talking points. People simply really fucking hate the Russian government. You know, shooting down the plane containing half of the entire Polish government and all.


4ac231  No.640759

>>640753

> You know, shooting down the plane containing half of the entire Polish government and all.

Actually it's about Russian negligence in investigation, because the plane crash was orchestrated by the cabinet of then prime minister Tusk, unless Russians had or control over the Polish Secret Service and enough spies to crash the most important plane with no survivors.


4d3955  No.640764

>>640759

Well since I have made myself look like a retard already, I may as well continue. Any Ukranian Anon know anything about the patriarch(?) I keep hearing about that was supposedly being slipped a drink after he essentially denounced the Russian church as illegitimate?


0afc52  No.640769

>>640759

>>640753

This much deflecting.

The reason polish plane crash is fucking known. The retardation of Lech Kaczyński (which was known for multiple counts of both retardation and authoritarianism) that personally insisted the plane land against the opinion of the Russian control tower and it's own crew as was reveled by the black boxes as both the presidential secretary was heard ordering the pilots to land (and with the air force chief seated behind them).

The problem is this came out AFTER the poles had declared him a martyr and buried him alongside the old kings of Poland in the most lavish ceremony ever.

So they couldn't suddenly go back and issue him a Darwin award for single-handedly killing the polish elite out of sheer retardation and make the entirety of what was left of the Polish elite look like a sad joke.

Hence Poland has tried (unsuccessfully) to blame everyone else but the person that overridden the recommendations of the various Russian and Polish professionals that thought that trying to land on a foreign airport relying only on instruments (but the Russian military airport not being equipped with the niceties of ICAO rated airports allowing them to run almost 24/7) while having near 0 training to do so, with the pilot having to do two jobs (as he was the only one speaking Russian and to land that's what the Russian military control speaks) was a terrible idea.

And lo and behold, it was.

The Polish report is only different from the MAK report in the fact that they lay the blame ENTIRELY on the pilots and dismiss completely that having the chief of the airforce in the cockpit and direct orders from the president might have led to the pilots having a bit anxiety for their jobs…


5f35ff  No.640774

>>640753

>shooting down the plane containing half of the entire Polish government

I wouldn't mind if they packed 2nd half of the gov into another plane and shoot it down too


ea27a6  No.640775

File: 31b1ea247732c36⋯.png (16.52 KB, 313x292, 313:292, ySA5LQc[1].png)


6c588e  No.640780

>>640453

>Because Russia isn't a comics villain?

Russia isn't a friend to practically anyone they neighbour either. There's a reason why their only allies are fucking Belarus and Kazakhstan and there's a reason why they try so hard to rile up the Russian minority in former Soviet states and demonize those countries.

Russia isn't a comics villain, their government is.


4a6402  No.640781

>>640780

>implying any government isn't a comics villain or just plain incompetent by now

I want off clownworld.


e63f51  No.640782

>>640781

This man is correct. Your government is either the sniveling sidekick to a comic villain, or they are the comic villain. Today, historians look back on the early 20th century and shake their heads at how incompetent leaders were. Just imagine what they'll be doing a century from now about our countries.


6c588e  No.640786

>>640784

>That's for faggots get for voting nationalist reactionaries.

I agree, somewhat. A lot of Eastern European politics a pretty inherent issue that a lot of the right wing parties are just making vague populist promises when they aren't actually fit to lead. A good example of this would our EKRE in Estonia. I saw one of their ads on Youtube once, and it really shows how they are a party for idiots who are easily swayed and don't want to think rationally. The ad was literally just:

>no more refugees

<even if none of them fucking want to come here to begin with

>no gay propaganda

<even if shit like that doesn't fucking exist here

>higher wages

<with no word on how they intend to act that out, and when Estonia already has some of the best wages of all post soviet countries (although our taxes are abysmally high)

Yet they still rarely, if ever, talk about how they want to sort out the economy and what we should do to keep it growing.

Guess why we are stuck between these shit choices, between EU slave parties and shitty right wing populists with no clue about how to lead? Because of our wonderful representative democracy. The representative "democracy" is possibly one of the greatest evils that has ever plagued politics. I wish for nothing more than the complete destruction of this system.


4ac231  No.640787

>>640786

>replying to /leftypol/ TORpedo

>Estonian doesn't understand that you need to apply a lot of force just for things to stay the same

>no gay propaganda

Just wait till a different group will warm up to USA and you'll have LGBTQ+ weeks in pre-schools funded by state department.

>implying PiS is right wing in the first place.


4d3955  No.640792

>>640786

>>no gay propaganda

<<even if shit like that doesn't fucking exist here

I wouldn't say it doesn't exist. It's far less than the West but it's still there. I recall there being a post on /v/ near the end of 2018 about an advert for an annual drag queen festival in Tallinn.

<<with no word on how they intend to act that out, and when Estonia already has some of the best wages of all post soviet countries (although our taxes are abysmally high)

Although I doubt any political party in any government would unironically lower taxes, there is always that hypothetical option.

>>640787

>Just wait till a different group will warm up to USA and you'll have LGBTQ+ weeks in pre-schools funded by state department.

Didn't Latvia have LGBT propaganda pushed in its schools already? I mean, it's not like Estonia is very far away


70bd20  No.640794

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>640786

how about the video games though?


6c588e  No.640802

>>640792

>I recall there being a post on /v/ near the end of 2018 about an advert for an annual drag queen festival in Tallinn.

Yup, there was about 2 articles on it from what I googled. It's a stretch to say that some private event hosted by some degenerates is propaganda, however.

>>640794

I've seen the video. It got made because of corruption by the piece of shit former mayor of Tallinn who is now in a wheelchair where he deserves to be. 250k euros. We even had a fucking Second Life embassy ran by the government from 2007 to 2011.


143cb5  No.640844

>>640786

I feel you, estonbro, and I assure you it's no better over here. Literally every party that matters is leftist (even if they claim to be right-wing), save for one, and that one is just empty promises and populism and takes every opportunity to discredit itself. The best we've managed is a (((centrist))) party that does the same thing as leftists, but slower.


f13e7a  No.640868

File: 0919ba2aad4b929⋯.jpg (96.72 KB, 499x732, 499:732, amputee_furry_001.jpg)

>>640802

>It got made because of corruption by the piece of shit former mayor of Tallinn who is now in a wheelchair where he deserves to be.

>We even had a fucking Second Life embassy ran by the government from 2007 to 2011.

Estonian Ambassador to Second Life.


ba1ec8  No.640877

File: d44685a224894b5⋯.png (700.6 KB, 696x755, 696:755, d44685a224894b5be8b9bf702b….png)

>>640599

>Holodomor, which was caused by dumb Ukrainian government


6cab63  No.640885

>>640786

>>no more refugees

><even if none of them fucking want to come here to begin with

>>no gay propaganda

><even if shit like that doesn't fucking exist here

I think you are being naive or fucking stupid.

Agree on other point though.

Nationalists SHOULD build up their industry and become self-reliant.


6c588e  No.640891

>>640885

Thank you, American. Please tell me about all the issues you are oh so knowledgeable about even if you live in another fucking continent when you probably weren't even aware where Estonia was located on the map before you googled it. Do you take all your political opinions from other Americans on /pol/ who are absolutely convinced that all of Europe is 99% Muslim?

>I think you are being naive or fucking stupid.

I think you are mouthing off about shit you don't even know about. You aren't Estonian. I am. Therefore, my opinion is better than yours on the topic of Estonia.


67ebd0  No.640894

>>640891

I'm a vietnamese actually.

I don't tell you I know much about estonia, but there's no shortage of gay and refugee propaganda everywhere in the world, that it is better to always teach your new generation to be against them, rather than let your shit fester.

Gay and refugees are a worldwide problem, not just any country problem, like AIDS.


6c588e  No.640896

>>640894

>I'm a vietnamese actually.

Oh great, it's fucking Spergook on a VPN telling me about my country. Even better.

>I don't tell you I know much about estonia, but there's no shortage of gay and refugee propaganda everywhere in the world

So don't talk about Estonia if you have no fucking clue about it. There is very little of what you could consider "gay or refugee propaganda" here and a large majority of the population is outright hostile to both.

"Refugees" don't want to be here because they can't get big gibs, most of the ones that have been transported here have just left to Sweden or Germany.


a2f880  No.640897

>>640896

>So don't talk about Estonia if you have no fucking clue about it. There is very little of what you could consider "gay or refugee propaganda" here and a large majority of the population is outright hostile to both.

The population's wish does not matter, if the state forces the population to accept gays and refugees, they force them in, while the population whines on Facebook. Look at the US or Germany, in the Cold War, they were 90% white, in just 10 years, now one is 60%, one is 80%. Declining birthrate, propaganda and government shipping in refugees change things very fast.

>"Refugees" don't want to be here because they can't get big gibs, most of the ones that have been transported here have just left to Sweden or Germany.

Any leftist government can step in and declare gibs for refugee.

I change my mind, you are too overconfident over your situation. You think because you are a little country in bumpfuck nowhere, that means you are safe, the truth is far, far from it. When the communists are still breathing, when the leftists are still breathing, when the (((internationals))) are still breathing, you are never safe.


6c588e  No.640900

>>640897

>if the state forces the population to accept gays and refugees

That means the parties in charge get a negative public outlook and that means the parties in charge won't be in power for too long. And again, refugees do not want to stay here. They simply leave due to gibs.

>Any leftist government can step in and declare gibs for refugee.

Like fuck they will. Read above, what they currently get is no better than what any other Estonian on disability gets not a whole lot. They know they can get basically twice as much in Sweden or Germany, so they leave to go there instead. We're going to be fine for at least 30 more years and the only imminent threat is Russia due to how unpredictable they are. and i'll probably neck myself before that so whatever next won't matter to me


42fa9c  No.640906

>>640900

>That means the parties in charge get a negative public outlook and that means the parties in charge won't be in power for too long.

Man, look at the world, nobody fucking trust their government, yet somehow, some ways they are still in charge.

>Like fuck they will

You better be careful about what you are saying. Leftists have no problem evicting people out of their houses to make room for immigrants.

And yes, Russia is a problem, but so does leftists. Both are the same actually, the ethnic ruskies in Estonia are a ticking bomb that Putin can evoke at any moment to attack you.


6c588e  No.640908

>>640906

>Man, look at the world, nobody fucking trust their government, yet somehow, some ways they are still in charge.

Yeah, I know. It's fucked. And it's all due to the (((representative democracy.)))

Perhaps that's was a bit overconfident of me to say, however politicians at this time do fear the public.

>You better be careful about what you are saying. Leftists have no problem evicting people out of their houses to make room for immigrants.

Hardcore Germany style leftists will not see power here until everyone that lived behind the USSR is dead, and that's a long way to go. At least 2 more generations or circa 20-50 years until we are at a point where we'll be as liberal as say Finland, I'd place it at the higher end. And I predict that war will happen before that which will reset the clock again.

>Both are the same actually, the ethnic ruskies in Estonia are a ticking bomb that Putin can evoke at any moment to attack you.

I'm glad that you aren't as blinded by slavabooism as a lot of /k/ is, thinking that the Russian government is a friendly country to trust 100% of the time and is super based. Many Russians in Estonia are indeed a fifth column that are there for the Russian propaganda machine to say that they are being oppressed so they can swoop in with hybrid warfare strategies to """liberate""" them.

Anyway, I simply think that the great gay/rapefugee invasion is less likely than a Russian invasion. Estonia will stay 98/99% European as it is now for a good while.


42fa9c  No.640911

>>640908

It depends on how it goes, but in this climate, you cannot trust anybody because dependence requires you to be weak.

If you side with the current West, you are gonna get refugees.

If you side with the current East, you are STILL gonna get refugees or immigrant (in this case ruskies and muslim in their backyard as time bombs and hostages).

The correct course, as always is self-reliance, increase birthrate, increase military, get nukes.

Laws do not matter, weapons matter, population matter.


2ea830  No.640957

>>640753

>Shooting down plane containing half of the entire Polish government and all.

Nice VPN you have there, Antoni


4d3955  No.640964

>>640908

>however politicians at this time do fear the public

That is not really true though. If that were true then they would be giving more than the usual amount of breadcrumbs to appease people.


6c588e  No.640966

>>640964

>That is not really true though.

No, it is. Estonia is small, these politicians will walk the streets at one point, and they will get beaten there if the public hates them enough.


8c383a  No.641019

>>640769

>The retardation of Lech Kaczyński (which was known for multiple counts of both retardation and authoritarianism

Good to know you're reading kiked sources, frog-fag. Kaczyński was only non-retarded president in independent Poland.

Tusk was a fucking rat to give the wreck and all the evidence to the ruskies, when all of it happened on their territory.

>dismiss completely that having the chief of the airforce in the cockpit

Which didn't fucking happen, that's a lie.


5f35ff  No.641021

File: cce4932788faf5c⋯.webm (1.71 MB, 856x480, 107:60, you are shit.webm)

>>641019

>Kaczyński was only non-retarded president in independent Poland.


4ac231  No.641027

>>641019

> Kaczyński was only non-retarded president in independent Poland.

Ratifying lisbon treaty disqualifies him from that and besides that title goes to Gabriel Narutowicz.


eca5be  No.641040

>>641027

>naruto

Kek

>1st President also the last non retarded


5f35ff  No.641046

>>641040

The joke is that the guy got killed shortly after him taking office


4ac231  No.641052

File: e007d775153c750⋯.jpg (224.56 KB, 929x600, 929:600, 1474399712828.jpg)

>>641040

And here is a famous writer Mikołaj Rej


0afc52  No.641279

File: 4ef9e0ef3642b6a⋯.pdf (4.95 MB, tlumaczenie_finalne_raport….pdf)

>>641019

>didn't fucking happen, that's a lie.

It's from your own country report slavtard.

Page 126.

Jesus Christ I swear all of you, Russian Ukrainians, Poles are as bad as as the next.


bd7992  No.641402

>>641279

>my own country

>controlled by post-communists and leftist liberals who whored themselves out during communist occupation pre '89; only opposition gets the power in 2005 and loses it in 2007, two years early before when the elections should be

>they get it back in 2015, they're retarded too but less

>leftist kikes get rid of a good part of their political opponents in a "catastrophe"

>they give the wreck and all remains to the ruskies and write kiked up reports

>totally it's the highest ranking air force officer's fault because he was a fucking drunk you know tee-hee

>years fucking pass and the wreck and all the evidence is still held by ruskies, nothing ever gets done about it

go choke on a dick you french faggot, that's what you do best


5f35ff  No.641405

File: c87f866720ab469⋯.jpg (14.61 KB, 250x361, 250:361, MARTYR.jpg)

>>641402

>only opposition gets the power in 2005

>This level of delusion

PiSS is exactly the same shit as the rest of the flock, they have been dismantling real right wing parties as long as they have been existing (LPR, Samoobrona) and make sure that no right wing alternative ever arises. Kaczyński even denounced "nationalism" as one of the greatest evils in one of his older speeches


4ac231  No.641406

File: 0ff75819ad6804d⋯.jpg (279.77 KB, 734x1000, 367:500, I_440_11_11_0003.jpg)

File: 0517bbbdbba7c09⋯.jpg (29.6 KB, 478x341, 478:341, Nie poznaje pana.jpg)

>>641405

Is PO better for not even bothering to pretend they don't hate Poland?


2ea830  No.641420

>>641405

>LPR

>Samoobrona

>right wing

HAHAHA


5f35ff  No.641503

>>641420

More "right wing" than PiSS




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