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There's no discharge in the war!

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9fd43c  No.666224

A thread to talk about the various applications of weapons, surveillance equipment, and exploration beyond our atmosphere, and defences and countermeasures against such weapons. Starting with some fresh news that filthy kikes have littered the moon with their shekelcraft.

Israeli spacecraft crashes during moon landing, says mission control



If a hypothetical war were to break out in the next decade or so, would it be possible that there would be limitations or good-will agreements among the warring parties not to intentionally litter by destruction or obstruction, the orbit paths of GPS satellites, given that they have become prevalent and key to all major military hardware developed in most major nations in the last 4 decades?

6fa456  No.666237


>would it be possible that there would be limitations or good-will agreements among the warring parties not to intentionally litter by destruction or obstruction, the orbit paths of GPS satellites

They'd certainly be a major target in the next big war. As you said there's a huge amount of kit that relies on them. 'Orbital area denial weapons' are going to be a shitload cheaper than replacing those satellites as well - just get a few tonnes of scrap metal or literal fucking pebbles and your weapon is ready to be delivered to orbit for the same cost as the other guys multimillion dollar satellite.

0a2485  No.666240


>would it be possible that there would be limitations or good-will agreements among the warring parties

Depends on how major the war is. If there's any real chance of losing for a party that still retains the capability to launch an orbital frag grenade, they're going to do it.

Gentleman's agreements haven't meant shit since the colonials decided to unsportingly shoot officers, going on to use rapid-fire guns on civilized peoples in their civil war, then becoming a major power and exporting that unsporting behavior to everyone else.

I'd also predict that at least a couple satellites already have Tungsten rods on board, just in case. If I was China and at war with the US, I'd shoot down American satellites rather than letting them pass over my territory just to be on the safe side.

df5a4a  No.666241

I imagine a lot of money will be spent (or has been secretly spent) on finding ways to disable satellites without generating a large debris cloud. Orbital energy weapons seem like the obvious option.


Kinetic bombardment is a meme. A ten-ton tungsten lance would create a deep hole, a decent sized earthquake and a tremendous bang, but it wouldn't be nearly as deadly as packing that satellite with several dozen W87s.

6fa456  No.666246


Depends where you put that deep hole and sudden seismic shockwave.

>Three Gorges Dam

>Key generators/refineries

>Key Bridges, transport bottlenecks, rail intersections

I'd like to say 'Yellowstone' now but it would probably take a lot more than we can realistically do at the moment to make it active again.

>ways to disable satellites without generating a large debris cloud

<Rocket releases a number of drones

<Drones spread through orbital space seeking satellites without a friendly transponder code

<Drones attach to satellites (drilling themselves into the hull if possible)

<If the weight of the drone is not enough to destabilise the orbit and bring the satellite down to earth eventually then have the drone fire the last of its fuel in a retrograde burn to decelerate the satellite and bring it falling out of orbit

<Satellites leave no debris in space, and the bulk of the debris burns up in reentry

413c81  No.666263

File: 37013c62493003e⋯.png (227.49 KB, 1346x1086, 673:543, relativistic aliens.png)

Pic sorta related.

7b390e  No.666267

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How would a solely Earthen superpower defeat an opposing force of O'Neill Space Colonies located at one of the Lagrangian points?

6fa456  No.666269


>Humanity immediately enters a global blackout, to prevent Ayys from keying in on our location

>Scientists and engineers around the world start work on the 'Mk1 R-Bomb', a 30'000 tonne rocket (powered by some kind of exotic particle drive) that has a cruising speed of 0.42 C

>Once the first few hundred bombs are produced humanity launches the 'Diplomat 1', a relativistic ship carrying a number of earths foremost military minds to explain to the xenos cultures we find that earth is defended and will adopt a strict guaranteed retaliation policy from one of our secondary, tertiary launch sites if the destruction of earth is confirmed - but by the way we also like to trade if you're not going to be a complete dick.

>We discover that no other species even considered MAD as an option and Earth has the only R-bombs in existence

>Collected military theorists and staff officers of Earth have a very embarrassed chat amongst themselves before turning to the alien representatives and saying "well, I guess we're in charge then".

ed74c0  No.666270


Clown world would be worth living in if this was the guaranteed outcome of it.

349d0f  No.666276


The concept of relativistic kill vehicles is neat but ultimately sci-fi. There is no way to know the position of a planet in a couple solar systems over, let alone larger galactic distances, exactly enough to hit it with a dumbfire projectile. The obvious solution to that is to fire a spread of them, but it a. remains a very very minute chance, and b. my second point; it takes a single errant few-inches-wide or smaller asteroid to destroy or change the trajectory significantly enough to render useless an object going double-digit percentages of light speed. The idea of a civilization hitting us with one of those from hundreds of thousands of light years away or such is just retarded.

e629f3  No.666284


I remember reading that exact text somewhere, and it was in printed format before ‘13.

f06160  No.666299

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what if other, more advanced xeno species, had their own shielding technologies? the relativistic kill missiles would be stopped by the shielding which could damage and slow down the missile enough so that it becomes just debris flying sort-of-fast towards it's target which might just burn down in atmosphere or get shot down with beam weapons or perhaps even simple space launched nuclear missiles since it's moving at slow enough speed

I'm finding it hard to concieve that somebody out there would not have thought of any sort of countermeasures.

a0b00f  No.666306


>Just put a probe there and let it feed you the position. You don't even need it to stick around long since it's not like orbits change much.

So now you've just put up a big sign saying "RKV incoming put up defenses" and possibly even given away the position of your home planet. Even at .99c it will still take a while to get there, easily enough time to deploy defenses.

>Comets seem to manage just fine despite flying through space for years.

Comets are much larger than a RKV and fly much slower.

>It won't hit anything on the way there because there's nothing in space, that's why they call it space.

Space is full of shit from small particles to wisps of hydrogen and other elements to micrometeorites. At the speed we're talking about even wisps of hydrogen will be enough to heat an RKV up while a micrometeor an inch across will destroy it.

>Also it's silly to assume it will be a dumb projectile. Even if you were throwing rocks you might as well put some maneuvering jets and basic sensors on it.

Good luck communicating with an object a few solar systems over in a timely fashion. It currently takes 26 minutes for a round trip communication to Mars, now extrapolate that a few thousand times. This is of course assuming that all the fragile tech on board doesn't get smashed by the incredible acceleration. The military had trouble with gps guided artillery shells and the RKV would be accelerated much faster.

42b3fb  No.666310


>This is of course assuming that all the fragile tech on board doesn't get smashed by the incredible acceleration.

At 1 g of constant acceleration you can get into relativistic speeds in less than a year. The closest star system is over 4 light years away.

What would be the point of maximizing the acceleration of an offensive, interstellar cruise missile ? You'll hit the relativistic wall fast enough considering the distances involved even if you stick to just 1 or 2 g of acceleration.

7b390e  No.666314

RKV vs Dyson sphere.

Who would win?

Even if the enemy could reliably track a planet to shoot a relativistic load at it from 6,000,000 light years away you could have moved most of your population to O'Neill cylinders, which would be much harder to hit and could just perform orbital guns defense if they detect any incoming RK projectiles.

You could also send niggers, muds, roaches and pajeets on fully enclosed colonies-turned-generation ships powered by fusion reactors, put them all in cryosleep then set a course for the enemy star system.

Barring extremely large fleet concentrations of these colony drones they'd be very difficult to detect in interstellar space due to their small size and low heat signature.

The enemy might not even know you sent them out, once they appear at his doorstep after 100,000 years there might be pro-integration factions among the gobernments of their people thus allowing for the successful spread of diversity across the galaxy.

6fa456  No.666315


>Clown world would be worth living in if this was the guaranteed outcome of it

Sorry mate, we just live in the version of clown world that has the boring and depressing outcomes rather than the funny ones. We couldn't even make it into 'vaguely sensible world', which would probably be a lot more boring but at least it would make some kind of fucking sense.

4ea094  No.666319


>destroy all satellites

>consumer electronics relying on GPS and anyone using satellite for TV, phone or internet is fucked

>riots in every developed country on the planet

I strongly suspect everyone would like to avoid that, and that space would become off-limits for warfare using international treaties and the like, especially since because of the nature of space debris, neutral countries can and most likely will get caught in the crossfire.


Not a factor, tbh. Fermi paradox correctly points out that we should be able to see some evidence of ayys if they were out there, but wrongly assumes they're somehow likely to occur. Humanity is most likely to be quite alone in space, the closest space faring civilization (if it exists at all) being so far as to make even theoretical contact with it impossible

cefdef  No.666330


>Fermi paradox correctly points out that we should be able to see some evidence of ayys if they were out there

Good. It will be easier to conquer space clay without any spoopy Xenomorphs lurking around. Now if we could only find a way to end this globohomo era without going extinct…

0a2485  No.666341


>riots in every developed country on the planet

One country would cope better than any other in that case: China. Their inland is still largely undeveloped and they can just recruit soldiers from there to break riots.

f06160  No.666342


>not wanting adventures with some spoopy space monsters

what the fuck man

270413  No.666347

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Sure, they might be fine as zoo animals, pets if you are a rich fuck who could afford the appropriate security measures or as future gladiator adversaries. But imagine these fuckers jumping behind your back while you and your space marine buddies are searching through that one dead-dark mining station that lost contact with the local planetary systems HQ.

14f406  No.666348



What if they're just hiding because of the three-body problem?

4ea094  No.666364


They're not. Fermi's paradox is not a paradox, it's simply nonsense – there are no hard numbers to prove that alien life even being in the same galaxy with us is in any way probable – when "optimists" solve the equation, the result is there should be hundreds of billions of alien civilization in the Milky way. When pessimists do, the result is that it's unlikely there would be even one. And that's not to mention the underlying fallacy of expecting intelligent alien life to be like and behave like us. Perhaps alien intelligent life simply wouldn't be interested in going to space – perhaps their reproduction rates are low and there cannot come a time when they'd manage to fully settle even their own home planet, at which point expansion becomes pointless. Perhaps the way they live and survive doesn't have them consuming large amounts of resources and space. Perhaps they are intelligent but anti-technology and are simply content with living as tribals for eternity (like human niggers), maybe their planet lacks resources necessary to make space travel possible. All of these possibilities and more further reduce the chances of a space faring civilization existing, which is corrobated by the fact that we can't fucking see any.

a0b00f  No.666393


>What would be the point of maximizing the acceleration of an offensive, interstellar cruise missile ?

Because the point of a RKV is that you minimize the amount of time your target gets to prepare by having the projectile fly so fast that it gets there only days after the light of the launch gets there. A "slow-burn" approach defeats the purpose of an RKV.

349d0f  No.666401


You don't understand what you're talking about and you're exaggerating estimate disparities to hand wave a well established statistically sound paradox. The entire point of Fermi's paradox is that there are billions of stars in our galaxy similar to ours, something which we know, and via that sheer number alone there should be a number of planets similar to ours, and thus civilizations similar to ours, many being a large number of years older than ours, which should have left behind or presently have some degree of evidence that they exist.

Things such as "mineral" or "rock" species' etc. are sci-fi, they're impossible, and regardless even if they weren't, that'd justify Fermi's paradox even more.

7f34fd  No.666402

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>implying its fair game to just house troops in peoples homes rent free

>implying it wasn't Napoleon who gave his scouts repeating pneumatic rifles and that multi barrel cranked volley gun that worked just like a Gatling to shoot fellow whites with first

>implying that Europeans weren't the ones that invented things like unrestricted submarine warfare and terror bombing


Build an 18 meter tall mecha and make sure its painted white.


Isn't it theorized that silicon can support life like carbon?

1033c7  No.666410


> GPS satellites

GPS is dead.

UT Austin posted a research paper showing that there is definite evidence that the Russians aren't just jamming GNSS signals (which they've been capable for quite a while) but SPOOFING THEM, which is about exactly as bad as it sounds, so far all those that were detected are use for area denial, they don't carry coordinates (meaning any GPS receiver in range of the transmitters fix on the spoofed authenticated signal that is much stronger than the one from the satellites, which is tiny, but just get zeros out of it) but there is no logical reason to think they can't.

It means the whole thing needs to be re-done from scratch because anything that is GPS guided can now be guided by them…

6cb25e  No.666436


At an acceleration of:

0.5g, the RKV hits at .85c

1g, the RKV hits at .93c, an improvement of 8%

2g, the RKV hits at .97c an improvement of 4%

5g, the RKV hits at .99c an improvement of 2%

20g, the RKV hits at .999c, an improvement of 1%

100g, the RKV hits at .9999c an improvement of 0.001%.

Get it yet? Acceleration barely matters. And even 100g is well within the tolerance of current missile systems, not that any speculated propulsion method could make it happen.

I wanna hear how you'd propose to intercept a relativistic object even if it was traveling at a meager .85c. And don't tell me that remark about the inch-wide micrometeor was serious. I don't want to have to explain why that won't work.

349d0f  No.666437

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Yes, that remark was serious. An object at .9c hitting a 1 gram micrometeor would give off the energy equivalent of a 30 kiloton bomb. Let's pretend in your retarded fantasy world that this does not destroy the RKV; it still massively throws it off course.

6cb25e  No.666440


Let's pretend in my retarded fantasy world, I launch a water balloon at your stupid face at 100 miles per hour. Your RKV countermeasure would be the equivalent of shooting that water balloon when it's inches away from you and expecting to not get wet.

>it still massively throws it off course

Explain. Explain how in a collision where both bodies undergo completely fluid behavior, the tiny rock somehow alters the bulk velocity of the matter contained within the huge RKV.

349d0f  No.666441


Your braindead explanation is that even though the RKV gets obliterated into pieces, those pieces would come anywhere near their target, given a light year's distance or more? You are genuinely stupid.

> the tiny rock somehow alters the bulk velocity of the matter contained within the huge RKV

Explain how a RKV is relevant in the first place. It's because it goes fast, right? And in theory, a small fast thing hitting say, a planet, would give off a lot of a energy. And imagine this fast thing, which is relevant because it has a lot of energy, hits a small thing. And let's say said fast thing is going .9c, & it hits a 1 gram rock.

14f406  No.666442


Evolution will favor similar traits to us given enough time and the right circumstances, the math tells us there are countless planets with Earth-like circumstances in our galaxy and technology is inevitable once intelligent life arises. All of human history is a tiny blip of Earth's history, even if it takes them tens of thousands of years or even millions it doesn't matter, they'll develop it. Why? Because technology gives your race the power to thrive and prosper, and evolution favors anything that causes such.


Ever look at an exploding projectile outside of a videogame? They don't just expand outwards in a sphere, the explosion still has the velocity of the projectile which makes it look like a cone, and if that cone is traveling near the speed of light it's going to travel quite far before it spreads out enough to lose its threat.

349d0f  No.666443


At the distances RKVs would be launched at, there's effectively 0 chance for any shrapnel cone to come near the target, and that doesn't matter one bit either, because the shrapnel would decelerate partially, negating the point of the thing, not to mention that the shrapnel pieces would hit micrometeors too.

6cb25e  No.666444


If the intercept happens literally lightyears away from the target planet, then yes, it would work. How you could possibly know in advance exactly where in interstellar space your countermeasures should be placed or how they themselves would see the RKV soon enough to intercept it, I have no idea. I guess in a retarded fantasy universe where you already know who hates you enough to try and wipe you out.

349d0f  No.666445


That's the entire point my mentally challenged friend; you don't intercept it. No one intercepts it, because almost immediately after being launched, it's going to hit one of the zillion billion gorrillion untrackable micrometeors floating around

14f406  No.666447


Depends on how fast it's going and how far out you intercept it. Don't forget that this explosion will be subject to significant time dilation due to going near lightspeed, so if you don't have a way of exploding it incredibly far out you're fucked, but doing that requires knowledge that it's coming because it will arrive shortly after the lightwaves indicating its departure arrive.


I'm willing to accept this if I see a good writeup on micrometeorite density between stars, which I had previously thought to be so close to zero that it would be insignificant.

6cb25e  No.666448


You lack perspective on how empty space is.

6cb25e  No.666452


A cylindrical section of space 1 lightyear long and 20 meters in diameter is predicted to contain 0.0294 grams of interstellar dust on average, and the average mass of the each particle is 10⁻¹⁴ grams. Encountering a visible dust particle outside of the solar system is like winning every lottery in the world on the same day.

349d0f  No.666453

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Given fifteen minutes of searching this is the only tidbit I can find on the subject, and it's including tiny dust particles. So, if there's .000000068 'asteroids' per cubic meter, there's bound to be at least one every 14,705,882 meters, and if 1 light year is 9.4607310^12 meters, I can say that a 1 meter wide RKV would impact approximately an absolutely fucking ton of them, and one wider than that would have an absolutely inconceivable amount of dust in its way, a percentage of which are large enough to cause immediate considerable damage, and if not that, the RKV would quickly erode.

349d0f  No.666454



Sorry, I mean 9.46073*10^15

6cb25e  No.666455


6.8 x 10⁻¹⁸ is 0.0000000000000000068 per cubic meter. That's ten billion times less than you thought. Aside from that, I feel like you're making lots of assumptions about how much it would "erode" a spacecraft or RKV. Most of those meteoroids are inconsequentially small and would barely do anything.

349d0f  No.666456


Right, I missed the 1. My bad. Point still remains. Keep in mind that 'inconsequentially small' differs greatly when we're talking about something going a large fraction of light speed.

6cb25e  No.666457


The point doesn't still remain, it's been thoroughly debunked. An RKV with a diameter of 1m traveling a hundred lightyears would impact about 0.0074 grams of interstellar matter in the form of literal nano-specs that mostly have a mass of less than a billionth of a gram. At .99c those would deliver collective energy of 0.94 kilotons smoothly distributed over the course of years, which wouldn't do shit to a meter wide steel bullet.

349d0f  No.666458


No. You disingenuously went for the literal minimum size included in the measurement. Try again with 5*10^-4.

6cb25e  No.666459

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The mean mass of an interstellar particle is 3x10^-16, pic related. 5x10^-4 is 2 trillion times more massive than average. But that's beyond the point, because I didn't use the mass or number of individual dust grains to come to my conclusion. I used the average density of interstellar space, which is a much more useful approach than just assuming the vehicle will just happen to hit the largest dust particles ever recorded.

349d0f  No.666460


If you're using an entire different source size then you can't use 6.8*10^-18 genius, and that screencap doesn't give density.

0246db  No.666463


puncture the hull and laugh as the atmosphere vents out

7b390e  No.666466

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Wouldn't an RKV fired at long distance from its target be affected by the gravitational pull of rogue planets and other random shit on its way?

4ea094  No.666470


>number alone there should be a number of planets similar to ours, and thus civilizations similar to ours

Here's your fallacy. The fact intelligent life even evolved on Earth is sheer coincidence that needn't have happened, ever. There was no necessity in the system that would require intelligent life to emerge; it was pure chance.

>which should have left behind or presently have some degree of evidence that they exist

And yet they didn't. When we look into space, we see no such evidence. You say it's a paradox, but it's no such thing - it simply means you are fucking wrong in your assumptions.


>Because technology gives your race the power to thrive and prosper, and evolution favors anything that causes such.

There have been extremely long periods of history where no technological advancement was made whatsoever, simply because there weren't the means for one or because the surroundings didn't require it. Had there not been easily storable cereals or the climate didn't get warmer, it is likely we would have been living in hunter-gatherer societies to this day, like we have for the majority of human existence. You then say it can take a millions of years no problem, but forget that the species can easily die out in that time. In any case, the fact we cannot see any clearly proves that your impressions are wrong. Either other intelligent life within observable distance does not exist, or it exists but is not engaging in interstellar travel.

6cc91d  No.666478

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IIRC china was working on counter satellite drones and ground fired lasers, even though it is taboo… nobody does anything except whine about it though, so it is hard to say if there is any real consequence.

what about nuclear propulsion weapons?

>Project Orion was a study of a spacecraft intended to be directly propelled by a series of explosions of atomic bombs behind the craft (nuclear pulse propulsion). Early versions of this vehicle were proposed to take off from the ground with significant associated nuclear fallout; later versions were presented for use only in space. Six tests were launched

a0b00f  No.666482


I believe it would be going too fast for gravity to have a huge effect. By the time it feels a gravitational pull it's already out of it. Think of how light is barely affected by gravity. That raises another problem though, because gravity has little to no effect you couldn't use parabolic trajectories for your shots, aka you would need line of sight.

14f406  No.666517


In the span of billions of years across billions of earth-like planets anything that could happen should be expected to happen. If there is a 0.00001% chance of these planets developing life like us we should still expect there to be countless other civilizations like our own and their silence to be disturbing.

4ea094  No.666520


>If there is a 0.00001% chance of these planets developing life like us we should still expect there to be countless other civilizations like our own

Yet there aren't, else we'd have already noticed them. So clearly, the initial assumption is not correct. Like that's what the result is fucking telling you; it's not some deep mystery of the universe, it just means the assumptions you have about this are not correct.

You remind me of the guy that was convinced space was full of aether, so he made several experiments that would confirm it to him through optics. All his experiments gave a negative result, yet instead of going "well, then there is no aether in space, I was wrong" he spent the rest of his days convinced he was doing the experiment wrong and trying to run it again and again in different configurations.

6fa456  No.666532

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>what about nuclear propulsion weapons?

<A weapon so deadly that it uses literal nukes as mere propulsion


416afd  No.666536

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forget Mars and even Moon. Never be more than Boys In Bubbles.

What you need to do is Terra-Form the CO2 on Venus by seeding with GMO microbes and photosynthesis.

If all offspring of two common Houseflys all lived to reproduce, in 6 months the Earth would be 60ft deep in flies. Those are the sorta numbers we could do. Crash Venus's CO2 into a few hundred feet thick of bio-mass and at same time release O2 and reduce pressure to livable. Some of Venus is currently too hot, but at the poles its colder than anywhere on Earth, thus there are at least two temperate regions, near poles so constant sunlight.

2e4828  No.666538


>else we'd have already noticed them.

Unless they're hiding, which is the point of half of this thread. The only three possibilities: we are insanely lucky and are basically the only intelligent life in our galaxy, we have yet to do something that usually wipes out any intelligent life that arises (like creating a singularity), or any civilization that achieves technology and doesn't hide themselves gets wiped out.

4ea094  No.666540


>we are insanely lucky

Again with your shit assumption about it being probable there are many alien civilizations in our galaxy

>we have yet to do something that usually wipes out any intelligent life that arises

intelligent life dying out is a possibility I already mentioned in my previous posts

>or any civilization that achieves technology and doesn't hide themselves gets wiped out

Sounds like dumb sci-fi bullshit

You talk about it being likely there are many life-bearing worlds in our galaxy, yet we have to find a single one outside of Earth – perhaps having the right star and distance is just not enough and there are many, many other factors that need to get together just right to create life? Perhaps lifebearing planets are much, much rarer than you assume, have you considered that?

"Muh ayliums are hiding!" – you really are the man with the aether.

2e4828  No.666548


>we have yet to find a single one outside of Earth

Confirmed for having zero experience on the topic, it's hard to find specific ones because you can't really see planets unless they pass in between us and a star, and even then you usually can't tell much about what they're made of. You can only make guesses of how many viable planets there are based on the size/age of observed stars, how many planets each one is likely to have, and how many of those configurations of planets are likely to be viable. It comes from math, not by pointing a telescope in the sky and counting planets, as I'm sure you know, so if you're going to dismiss the fermi paradox you'll need to do it by telling us which numbers you think makes it unlikely that earth-like planets will exist.

I am not saying I'm certain about anything here, just that its a possibility and your conviction in dismissing it with fantastic arguments like "sounds dumb" makes you seem like the devoted aether retard here.

349d0f  No.666550


Luyten b






Are all earth-like planets or have earth-like zones on them.

There's dozens more that are unconfirmed.

We know all the factors needed to create life, that's how we're making estimates in the first place.

39acb7  No.666552


You'd have to keep those microbes/life forms alive and fed, and Venus under the cloud cover is hot enough to melt steel so it wouldn't end well. Lichens would be the proper solution, but those won't really work airborne as they need shit to hold onto.

39acb7  No.666553

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It's not even insane luck really, it's average luck. The chances of two space-faring civilizations encountering each other in the same galaxy is about equal to the chances of two guns being fired at the same time and the bullets ricocheting.

39acb7  No.666554


>it's hard to find specific ones because you can't really see planets unless they pass in between us and a star, and even then you usually can't tell much about what they're made of.

That has more to do with a lack of proper telescopes. The James Webb Telescope never ever was is supposed to fix that issue by "seeing" things in a different wavelength that would allow it to pinpoint planets and the like. As a side note, we can use the light reflected from its star and our star combined with the right technology on the ground to more or less make a "spectrometer" to tell the composition of planets. In the same way it's hard to find a translator willing to do X despite there being over 7 billion people on earth, it's hard to find a physicist or chemist willing to work for chump change to do the kind of experiments needed for this sort of information. More private space companies could solve this shortage by encouraging science and engineering students to pursue space paths, especially if they could bring things down to an affordable level.

4ea094  No.666555


Those are planets in the habitable zone. That's all that's known about them. I literally said that "perhaps having the right star and distance is just not enough" and you come at me with an argument about the right star and distance. Fuck off. You don't know if they contain water (it's usually stated as "plausible" but nobody actually knows), you don't know the atmosphere, you don't know nothing about it, except that it has the right distance and maybe density.


>and your conviction in dismissing it with fantastic arguments

My argument is that if there were nearly as many space faring civilizations as you retards propose, we would have fucking noticed them by now. That is my argument and undeniable evidence that you are fucking WRONG. You can count Drake's equation as many times as you want, proudly declaring "There are seven hundred gorillion space faring civilizations in our galaxy" and it won't change that fact. And really? Entire civilizations hiding from some big bad evil guy is supposed to be a serious argument? At that point, my argument can be "we are the only intelligent life out there because all the aliens masturbated themselves to death after catching a stray radio wave transmitting threads from /trapshota/" and be just as valid.

349d0f  No.666556


>you don't know the atmosphere

Yes, yes we fucking do you literal mong, at least approximately. We know their general surface temperatures too, as well as density and thus general material.

4ea094  No.666557


>Yes, yes we fucking do you literal mong, at least approximately. We know their general surface temperatures too

Uh-huh. Okay, let's check your examples, then. For example Kepler-62e:

>Temperature: 270 K (−3 °C; 26 °F)

>note: it is possible that the surface temperature of Kepler-62e may be over 350 K (77 °C; 170 °F)

Wow, we know so much about that planet! Every time you say a "maybe" or "approximate", you admit you don't really know much about that planet, and absolutely do not know if the planet bears life.

349d0f  No.666559


No shit we "don't know", again, for the billionth time, that's the point of estimates, and why there's an estimate disparity. Except that disparity isn't 'hurr 0-10^100' like you're so desperate to pretend it is, and they're all done with mathematically determined and weighed likelihoods, whereas your entire shtick is wrong cus we don't see them' which is exactly why it's a paradox

39acb7  No.666561


Bacteria grow from approximately 40F to 140F among general strains.

2e4828  No.666562



Based on what? How many earthlike planets do you think exist in our galaxy? How many of them will have developed intelligent life? If you'd answer the drake equation with "a fuckton" then we should have seen something by now unless civilizations are actively trying to hide themselves. This isn't about accidentally stumbling upon each other while one is colonizing planets, this is about just detecting shit like EM waves that don't seem to be created naturally.


>if there were nearly as many space faring civilizations as you retards propose, we would have fucking noticed them by now

And our point is that there is also a good reason why we wouldn't have noticed them.

>undeniable evidence

There is no undeniable evidence until you can disprove the three-body problem. If you assume there are civilizations that have risen just like us, and if you assume that any civilization that comes to this level will have the goal of prolonging their life as long as possible in a universe with limited resources (entropy), then you must also assume that we (and everyone else) will come to the conclusion that going dark is the best way to ensure survival. There is no good reason to assume that alien civilizations will be non-hostile since a non-hostile species is less likely to have been able to dominate their world enough to achieve technology.

4ea094  No.666565


So you have no idea how likely it actually is for a "possibly habitable" planet to actually host life. Yet you are confident to pull some likelihood percentage out of your ass, put it in an equation, and claim that it is very likely for the galaxy to be chock-full of aliens.


Occam's Razor rules in my favour in this circumstance,but alright, I'll humour you:

>then you must also assume that we (and everyone else) will come to the conclusion that going dark is the best way to ensure survival

Well, if you just decide to stay stuck on your planet out of fear of some potential enemy (not gonna happen – you aren't going to convince EVERYONE to stay home and keep shitting their pants over some theoretical enemy that may or may not exist), then you aren't really a space-faring civilization – you don't space fare.

f7191b  No.666568


I figure the cheapest approach would be to use a microwave weapon to burn out the satellite's radio receivers. The satellite would still be there but if it can't communicate it might as well not be.

39acb7  No.666570

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>Based on what? How many earthlike planets do you think exist in our galaxy?

I won't play semantics with you so I'll give you hard numbers. There are roughly 200 billion stars in our galaxy, and Keplar Space Mission data estimates roughly 40 billion Earth-sized planets in habitable zones orbiting sun-like or red-dwarf stars in the Milky Way Galaxy. So there are roughly 40 billion Earth-sized planets out of 100 billion. Stealing from a different source, in May of 2018, the chief curator of the Habitable ExoPlanets Catalog said that roughly 53 out of 3,730 known (discovered) exoplanets in that habitable zone are capable of supporting life. Key word there is capable of. So we've got a baseline of roughly 1.4% of planets in the habitable zone could potentially support life, or roughly 570 million planets in our galaxy are capable of supporting life. I won't get into the philosophical/religious arguments about us possibly being the only fucking planet in the entire universe capable of supporting life. For the purpose of my argument, we'll say roughly 0.001% of planets that could contain life have intelligent life on them, or something greater than bacteria anyways, not even talking about spacefaring civilization, just life capable of one day fostering civilization. The number could be much smaller, but this number works just fine for the point I'm trying to make here even though it's astronomically larger than it should be. This would mean roughly 5,700 planets in the Milky Way Galaxy might have multi-cellular organisms on them. Cool. Whatever. The Milky Way Galaxy is 1,000,000,000,000,000,000km anon. That's 1 quintrillion km in diameter. Surface Area is A=π*(ø/ 2)^2 and that's assuming the milky way is flat (which it's not). I won't do that calculation because it's a fuck huge number. It's 1 quintrillion times itself times pi. You're looking for an earth-sized object that's roughly 13,000km across. Just working with 2D numbers you're at less than 0.0000000000013% of the surface of the galaxy ignoring all the planets and solar systems in the way, and if we add even 10km of space in the Z axis it becomes exponentially lower. Lasers would get blotted out by other planets, signals would get blotted out by other planets. The chances of encountering life are actually LOWER than the chances of two bullets being shot perfectly so that they ricochet off each other, but it's so insignificantly low, that the chances of a single individual winning the lottery 50 times is probably more likely (I won't do the actual math for that one either, fuck you).

39acb7  No.666571

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As for your second point, EM waves have exponential decay and can be confused by shit like stars that also let out "EM waves." Have you ever heard of a pulsar? It's quite annoying- there's roughly 200,000 of them in our galaxy and they're basically the Milky Way's big FUCK YOU when we're out looking for those mystical "EM waves" and "Lasers." Turns out physics is a dick and most things we'd consider signs of artificial structures/intelligent life are almost always caused by some cluster of gases naturally occurring or some star somewhere releasing some energy or radio signal because it bounced off of something. Probability is a bitch in space- in fact probability is the only reason stars (which are not nearly dense enough for nuclear fusion to take place if you use Newtonian Physics) don't instantly burn up when they react.

0246db  No.666574


Trying to hit a planet in another solar system with a rocket would be like trying to hit a man on Earth with a red ryder BB gun fired from the Kuiper Belt

6fa456  No.666577


That still leaves a lot of debris in orbit after the war, and even more the more effective the higher the interception rate of the program. Unless you're planning to plant 'orbital mines' in the form of several tonnes of metal scrap directly above your opponents launch facilities it seems a little counterproductive.


So all it takes is a single god-tier marksman (from an entire species, mind you) or a supercomputer and several hours/days of calculation?

2e4828  No.666596


There's a difference between being dark and staying put, you can still leave your planet and colonize other places you just can't spam EM signals everywhere along the way. If not everyone agreed to not send signals then your civilization gets wiped out, so you don't see the civilizations that fail to do this.


Why do you think 0.001% of planets supporting life is low? How do you know that life is not statistically inevitable on a fertile planet? You can't know unless you have a sample size greater than 1. And again, we aren't looking for an earth-sized object, we're looking for suspicious EM waves which spread outwards at the speed of light.

2e4828  No.666601


It's true that we have trouble distinguishing artificial signals from noise, but why should you assume that our current ability to do this will never improve? Technology improves exponentially, and any discussion about alien life that doesn't account for this is meaningless.

4ea094  No.666609


>There's a difference between being dark and staying put, you can still leave your planet and colonize other places you just can't spam EM signals everywhere along the way. If not everyone agreed to not send signals then your civilization gets wiped out, so you don't see the civilizations that fail to do this.

This is just stupid. Any civilization that is in any way like ours would not "go dark" forever because of a theoretical danger. It just wouldn't. It'd be like expecting Spaniards not to go colonising America because "Dude, what if that continent over yonder is full of incredibly powerful demons that will come back to Spain to eat us all?" Even if some decided to go through with this (I mean why should all of these gorillion civilizations have one world government? There would be dissent if it ain't some hivemind), others would not, and not bothering with all that shit would offer them competitive advantage.

0246db  No.666613

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Mankind needs to be rebuilt at the molecular level before we can conquer the galaxy. With genetic engineering we can make ourselves stronger, faster, hardier, and smarter. That much is obvious. But we will need to do more than strengthen our muscles, arm ourselves with best guns and clad ourselves in the best armor. We mus defend ourselves from foreign germs that would kill us. The best solution would be a bacteriophage that is programmed to attack any bacteria (excluding helpful ones in your gut), as well as parasites.

14f406  No.666623


Please try reading before replying.

>Situation: only 1% of new civilizations decide go dark before discovering how to emit signals powerful enough to be detected, and it is possible for extremely advanced civilizations to launch RKVs without revealing themselves

>all 99% of the new civilizations that fail to stay hidden get destroyed, and in the end 100% of civilizations are dark

Of course new civilizations will pop up that will likely not go dark, but they won't last very long so it would be unlikely that we would have seen their signals in the short amount of time that we've been looking (plus our instruments still suck).

6cb25e  No.666671


Why wouldn't the massive quantity of stars in the galactic core make life even more likely? We're only here because our planet is cooked by a star right next to us. The extra energy would expand the zone in which habitable planets could form.

We're nowhere near the edge of the milky way either, more like halfway out.

0246db  No.666672


>y because of the large concentration of giant stars in more coreward regions putting out more starlight that will stop the development of life on coreward or mid-galactic planets?

How. Those stars would still be lightyears apart, not close enough to heat eachother's planets

7b390e  No.666689


Do hypervelocity stars near the Galactic centre pose any problems regarding potentially habitable planets being ejected into interstellar space?

0246db  No.666701


Now that's a bigger issue than light from a star several light years away.

f7191b  No.666703


>but doing that requires knowledge that it's coming because it will arrive shortly after the lightwaves indicating its departure arrive.

If an RKV is launched at 90% of light speed from a distance of 1 light year, you will still see it about a month before it arrives. In addition, you do know in advance where a potential RKV would come from because you know in advance where all the nearby stars are.

84ee39  No.666717


As the anon said, EM waves have exponential decay, so rather than someone detecting civilization's normal operation it seems more likely to me that through observing the planet itself for a period of time, they'd figure out that there might be intelligent life.

4ea094  No.666733


Please try to understand that what you propose at this point is a ridiculous conjecture that is supported by absolutely nothing. The initial notion of "civilizations would want to be safe, just in case, so they go dark" has some theoretical merit, even if it's practically impossible, but now you go on and assume the existence of some mysterious force that obliterates those who do not go dark, just to defend the initial theory.

30b476  No.666784


The problem with moving your star is that eventually it will be mostly iron and decline, unless you had a way to remove massive quantities of the excess material.

0246db  No.666842

File: e18946c64e0b364⋯.jpg (208.61 KB, 1200x1800, 2:3, 1200px-Savoyard_armour_IMG….jpg)


And speaking of armor the best option for infantry armor would be munitions armor made from a copper-graphene composite pure graphene is brittle as fuck .


f82f11  No.666859

even space hates the jews

e381ab  No.666935

I believe it's the same as small yield nuclear warfare.

No one would do it because it would piss off everyone.

Not only, the risk of Kessler Syndrome is just too high for it to be reasonable. A more viable option of denying the use of space infrastructure is signal disruption and jamming.

Space warfare is just fantasy. It's too complicated, expensive and difficult to properly manage, supply and maintain any engagement purely in the space domain.

This doesn't mean space-to-surface weaponry isn't an option, but it would most likely be deployed against installations on the lunar and Martian surface. Particularly because of the thin atmospheres or lack thereof.

cefdef  No.666951

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Does that mean space is antisemitic? How is space going to pay the reparation for the 6 million crashed spacecrafts?

1abe2a  No.667012


It's really quite unlikely that space diseases will be able to affect us thanks to the way protein compatibility and folding work, but it's always good to have a backup.

6fa456  No.667045


It only takes one strain of Space AIDs (airborne transmission, and 100% infectivity and lethality of course) to destroy a mission, and possibly the species depending on the disease. Best not to take risks with that sort of thing.

fd1e7c  No.667047

If humanity colonizes space, humans on planets outside Earth will gradually start adapting to the environment, becoming inhuman throughout the generations. Should humanity try to stop it with genetic engineering, ensuring every colonist remains synchronised to the genes of the inhabitants of earth, or should evolution be given free reign, gradually transforming the descendants of colonists into inhuman aliens?

964c8a  No.667049

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


>programmed to attack any bacteria (excluding helpful ones in your gut), as well as parasites.

Sounds like colloidal silver (CS) might be what you're looking for, but you never heard about it because it's too effective and anyone can make it in his home for less than $100 which would turn the fuckhuge pharmaceutical industry almost obsolete overnight for the vast majority of illnesses and diseases. In the 50s to 60s they tried to shut it down and replace silver with expensive drugs instead. Then they went one step ahead and started spreading misinformation that it doesn't work or that it will give you argyria.

Thing is, the fags they say turned blue by drinking colloidal silver didn't actually drink it. They turned blue due to drinking 100+ ppm silver solutions mixed with salts - which is a far cry from actual CS.

<How does this work?

Nobody actually knows. There are 2 official theories so far:

1. Most bacteria and viruses that require oxygen to live are harmful to humans. The majority of bacteria in our gut which are helpful for digestion do not require oxygen. What silver nanoparticles do when they enter the bloodstream is completely surround bacteria and effectively suffocate them.

2. Silver nanoparticles are all electrically charged. On contact with bacteria and viruses they kill them immediately. Dead bacteria with silver still stuck on them will kill any other bacteria that touch them, which the scientists have called "the zombie effect".

However there are limits to it's capabilities. We cannot kill advanced stages of ebola for example, but it can prevent it if you drink it beforehand. We could in theory find some ways to silver even more effective against strong viruses but I have no idea how.

sage for somewhat off-topic

0246db  No.667050


If you're talking viruses you have a point, but bacteria dn't have to be genetically compatible with you to infect you.

df5a4a  No.667051


I think widespread access to porn would go a long way towards preventing any large divergence in appearances, if you jerk off to Earth girls every day you're probably not going to want to fuck the weird mutant locals.

fd1e7c  No.667052

0246db  No.667068


Mutations are the driving force behind evolution. With genetic engineering we could eliminate undesired mutations. Not to mention the worlds we'd settle would be habitable therefore we wouldn't need to have drastic changes to survive.

6fa456  No.667077

File: 0187d2584b4f5ec⋯.jpg (84.03 KB, 771x657, 257:219, Roll up! Roll up!.jpg)


>He fell for the latest medical scam

Out of interest how much did you spend on buying your way into the 'multi-level-marketing-and-definitely-not-a-pyramid-scheme' that now has you pushing this shit?

0246db  No.667080

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File: 00c55e99745c1d3⋯.jpg (47.17 KB, 900x400, 9:4, LSAT rifle.jpg)


As for infantry weapons the best idea would be firearms using cased telescopic ammunition with RDX based propellant

507fc9  No.667145

File: 0a934fd55071388⋯.png (110.99 KB, 1733x507, 1733:507, super fun russian anti-ali….png)


Nuclear Shaped Charges

0246db  No.667147

File: f5578b287bcb556⋯.jpg (49.41 KB, 342x400, 171:200, Casaba howitzer.jpg)


Casaba howitzer.

0b4e7b  No.667149

File: 4e03f1dcbc508da⋯.jpg (61.69 KB, 700x415, 140:83, 1450153590993.jpg)


I…it's so beautiful I wish we'd get invaded by ayys just so we could use them on some worthwhile targets

73d25e  No.667155

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It's hard to say really, it could go the star wars route of having near invincible crafts and those that have incomprehensible firepower. The biggest factor IMO would be numbers and strength, as in who has more of what and who has the most in the most important places overall. Take a look at some popular RTS games and other "universes" that are space centric, such as stellaris, star wars, BSG, EVE online, and others, and that should give you some idea.

>tl;dr it will be extremely violent and untold numbers of people will die extremely painful and horrific deaths

0246db  No.667157

File: 0d804d56e34fcfb⋯.gif (2.81 KB, 310x179, 310:179, Voitenko compressor.GIF)


> it could go the star wars route of having near invincible crafts and those that have incomprehensible firepower.

Best idea would be ships that release swarms of Casaba howitzers and RKKVs. For a ship mounted gun the Voitenko compressor is your best bet.

7b390e  No.667204


If anything humanity should try to accelerate it.

Who wouldn't want a fleet of generation ships full of blonde aryan supermen turning barren rocks into lush biospheres over the course of a few generations?

fd1e7c  No.667205


>Who wouldn't want a fleet of generation ships full of blonde aryan supermen turning barren rocks into lush biospheres over the course of a few generations?

I don't think you understand. The poin is that over the generations, the descendants of Aryan supermen would adapt to the world they inhabit, experiencing, for example, changes to skin colour, bone density, body frame, etc. If they landed on a desert planet blasted by the sun all over, you can bet their skin would turn black eventually. Question is, do we want to prevent that, thus maintaining parity with the population of Earth and preventing future racial wars at the cost of not adapting to the colonised planet, or do we let evolution take its course and have the population adapt to the colonised planet, but also creating the possibility of them slowly becoming alien?

7b390e  No.667209


You could prevent most race wars by instilling a universal human beauty aesthetic a la Arno Breker across all colonies and fix any would be adaptive issues with heavy usage of CRISPR/Cas.

Racial and cultural differences would still occur over time but these could be amended by turning space into a giant Switzerland where no Star System interferes with another's business unless absolutely necessary and the local populace can legally remove undesired immigrants at will.

fd1e7c  No.667217


I am not asking if we can, but if we should

62206b  No.667226


>Kinetic bombardment is a meme.

This, it's a fucking joke. If you want to simulate a nuke with a KEW it has to be essentially a snowball, not a tungsten rod. The snowball then heats as it descends, and then at some preset height it partly ionizes and explodes like Tunguska, creating a heat wave in the atmosphere. But this requires like 100t rock to create a Davy Crocket worth of explosion…

Atomics will be the way for quite a long while yet, they just suck in space.


The only defense against relativistic weapons are micro dyson swarms placed in its general path. The key about these weapons is that while they can shift direction a little bit, they can't stop and circle around, so as long as you know the general direction of the enemy, you just calculate a probability cloud of approach vectors and place a dyson swarm there to cut up the missile.

Also not living on the planet that gets hit - I calculated that we can move a billion people off planet and into the high orbitals for the $3 trillion dollar cost of the F-35 program, if we only permitted high-energy means of exiting the gravity well (NPP, lofstrom loop etc).

Having most of your species and a good fraction of the biosphere off planet means no one cares if Earth gets slagged. Doing antimatter research on one of the moons of Jupiter means the moon will get hit, not earth. Doing antimatter research on a freaking space station, which can itself move, kind of makes it difficult to get hit at all. Doing all three of these things AND having a dyson swarm of satellites filling all approach zones with buckshot makes Humanity unkillable.

62206b  No.667227


When you ass.u.me you make an ass out of u and me

They're assuming that life can't survive a nova scale explosion going off within a certain lightyear radius, then they're assuming that the galactic core has more novas, they're assuming that the outer part of the galaxy has fewer planets, and last of all they're assuming that life needs metals to work.

There are approximately 50 million planets in the galaxy which are within a habitable zone. Meaning if it has any water on it, the water is liquid, and if it doesn't, just smash some comets into it.

7b390e  No.667233


>he doesn't want to be a 300 IQ helium breathing multidimensional superbeing

e381ab  No.667254


What most dont understand is that engagements are organized in domains and almost never remain isolated in a single domain.

Take naval artillery for example; the cannons themselves are within the naval or sea domain. When sent, the shells are in the air domain, but when they make contact they're in the land domain.

The engagement is cross domain.

Isolated space domain engagements are not feasible, but cross domain engagements involving space can be considered for different approaches towards a situation. Like ICBMs, or orbital drop type weaponry.

Engagements that usually involve the space domains would most likely be crossed with the cyber domain. I.E. jamming satellites that beam noise at communication satellites for jamming/disruption. That'd be more effective than physically damaging it. It's also directed and reusable.

*Cough* Space Force

57857a  No.667353

>can't handle the jew problem in your own countries

>wants to fight aliens instead

Earth is fucked.

ed74c0  No.667357


>implying that the Jews aint working as a 5th Column for the Ayys

ec77b4  No.667449

File: 59afcb4e91fee7c⋯.mp4 (7.02 MB, 648x360, 9:5, remove Hideauze.mp4)


Remove Hideauze!

a15e55  No.667678

File: 5cbf4a2dbc8e00c⋯.jpg (80.9 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, f1bc240d.jpg)

Would power armor be feasible on the Moon considering its low gravity?

ebc4aa  No.667685


Power generation would still make it large enough that it would be some kind of vaguely humanoid vehicle rather than something you can wear. Once it gets that big there's no real point to making it humanoid and you'd get a lot more speed/stability/carrying capacity/defence out of other designs. So probably not, no.

0a2485  No.667689

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But what about Mech bloodsports? There, the cool factor is also important.

000000  No.668519

Some faggot spammer made all my posts get deleted. Nobody had even made any comments about my autistic orbital space dust ring diving space station LARPing as a submarine with its space torpedoes yet. We hadn't even gotten to the part where we talk about other fun uses for Shkadov thrusters besides moving your solar system around.

df5a4a  No.668520


>being a dubnigger

ebc4aa  No.668545


Probably too large a startup cost to work out for the foreseeable future. Building just one mech would probably cost you a few hundred million at least - probably higher; then you've got to hire on a lot of engineers and support personnel, then you've got to pay the pilots/mech crews enough to make it worth their time to take live fire as part of the 9 to 5.

You'd also have a hard time recruiting for that sport, it's not exactly something a kid can grow up playing in the park with his friends, any licensed game would have to be so 'streamlined' and dumbed down that it couldn't serve as a training sim, so you'd need to run some kind of academy for mech crews. Unless you can find some way to get most of the worlds population to buy regular subscriptions & tickets at a few hundred Eurodollarpounds a month you'll be running at a significant loss until the sport shuts down. That's all before you factor in the hassle you'd get from governments trying to secure the 'whiny lefty faggot' voting block by opposing your new sport.

You'd lower your costs and improve your odds significantly with some kind of annual global military competition of (very well simulated) combat. Every nation on the planet has the option of entering a team of varying size and equipment for the different leagues, and while you would still get a lot of pushback I imagine that would be a lot more fun to watch. It would also give every nation that entered it a 'very nearly live fire' report every year to help drive R&D at every level.

198823  No.668554


>RTT tournaments in real life

I'm mad these aren't a thing.

ebc4aa  No.668579


It would be so beautiful. I might be getting a little too far into anime territory here but after a few years/decades of that being a global event you could use that sort of contest to resolve disputes between nations. You'd see a nations top level operators turn into sports stars and national heroes, and instead of schoolboys dreaming of becoming football players or the national equivalent you'd get them working to be good enough to make it through SAS, KSK, COS or Spetsnaz selection after a few years as a squaddie.

6cc91d  No.668599


reminds me of sky crawlers and the movie gamer

4ea094  No.668602




Better question is, why the fuck aren't gladiatorial matches a thing anymore? Cost of entry near zero, anyone can participate, entertainment for billions

58717e  No.668603


Muh brutality.

6cc91d  No.668604


They already have those in the prison system, guards will schedule white supremacist groups and black gangs to have time out of cells at the same time with the expectation that they fight one another, once the prisoners started working together and would not fight one another, the guards started switching up which groups they released together (rival black/Mexican gangs etc.) eventually everybody just said fuck it and went on hunger strike.

0a2485  No.668624


Limp-wristed faggots in government.

Don't let your dreams be dreams, gather up a couple hundred k and a few friends and build a new Colosseum in Nigeria, then sell the videos on a .onion site for btc.

62206b  No.668697


Can't put it on cable tv, can't put it on youtube, can't put it on liveleak… even particularly brutal hand to hand like Pride got basically pushed off the air by advertiser faggots.

I would pay cash money to see this, but because advertisers won't, it's not economically competitive.

c81a85  No.668704

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>you will never participate in a real life deathmatch event

Why even live?

0246db  No.668720


Is this something we can do in international waters, or Somalia?

0246db  No.668722

198823  No.668987


How expensive would holding an old-timey gladiatorial tournament even be in CY+4?

Even if you can't put it on TalmudVision Niggers, Spics and Muds would surely be more than willing to pay for tickets with welfare money, but still.

fd1e7c  No.669087


None of those air porn either, yet porn is still a massive industry turning massive profit.

675c8d  No.669088


Because the west is pussified

e58fc5  No.669122


>collect welfare money by shitskin proxy

>buy guns and ammo and form your own privatearmy security organization

You'd basically turn the government's welfare program into your own PMC fund while getting nogs and tacos to spend money watching their own trash kill each other instead of buying drugs or back alley ghetto blasters.

e58fc5  No.669123


Obviously replace nogs and tacos with whatever plagues your particular country.

84d19c  No.669158


Buy warehouse with 2.250m² for 1,5 million EuroPeso.

Buy seating: 1 900 EuroMark for 3 rows of 10 seats each, x40 for total of 12 000 seats and 76 000 EuroRubles, then add transport and setup costs for those as well, so something like 80 000 EuroRubles

Buying a domain and setting up your own serb to host your own website and email-based automated BTC ticket store: 200 EuroDinaros

Buying a construction lights for the arena: 500 EuroLira

Add monthly costs like electricity, heating and possibly a couple thugs to act as security, so maybe 5 000 EuroFlorins

You can probably rent out some extra space to food vendors, so you will get some fixed income that can alleviate the monthly costs, but you would still have to earn roughly 1,6 million. If you hold monthly fights and you want the arena to pay for itself after 10 years you would have to make more than 13 000 EuroRupees per match from 12 000 seats. So you could sell for quite cheap, as long as you get a full arena every time.

Of course, this would be fights in a makeshift arena set in a warehouse in some industrial zone, not some nicely setup event in a proper stadium or Colosseum or Circus.

27c343  No.669167


Wouldn't it be better to host the first few tournaments as fight club style underground boxing rings in some abandoned garage, then rent out a small football stadium once the event has become a sufficiently big meme among local minorities?

Shutting it down at that point would be racist.

35421a  No.669229

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.



The Drake "equation" is not, and was never meant to be an actual equation.

35421a  No.669230

Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.

62206b  No.669397



This nigger deleted his post, just ignore it. It's using popular mechanics high-school level arguments and buzzwords like drake equation which makes no fucking sense on the face of it.

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