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 No.24581

>be me

>want to get better at art

>too lazy and irresponsible to draw everyday

can anyone tell me how to make productive habits and stick to them? I'm also working on bettering myself and personality in general but that seems to take a while so I want to start drawing before that

should I just pull myself up by my boot straps and force myself to do the things I need to do or is there actually a better way to go about it?

 No.24586

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I don't think there's an easy way to form a good habit, friend. Ultimately, it's probably going to be a matter of willpower.

From my own experience, and doing a little reading on the subject, you need to take small steps each day. Force yourself to do an anatomy study and some doodling (there's probably other good exercises too, I'm no artist). Do it each day, so that you get used to the feeling of getting out your tools and sliding into the groove of production.

Maybe not every single day. Rest days are never a bad thing in a routine.

You also want to keep your overall goal in mind. Imagine yourself achieving it. Just don't let it intimidate you, make it achievable.

Hope that helps a bit!


 No.24590

>>24586

In addition to what this anon said, it helps to make some sort of log to keep track of your progress and hold yourself accountable. This past year, I've been keeping a spreadsheet with a few goals in it, and just anecdotally, it's made me feel a lot more productive.


 No.24601

The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen R. Covey.

Read it thrice, then do what it says.


 No.24613

>>24601

can you just give me the cliff notes?


 No.24614

>>24590

in what excel? I'm not the best with spreadsheets


 No.24615

>>24586

ok I'll try it like that thanks


 No.24617

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 No.24618

>>24617

hwut?


 No.24621

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>>24581

I went from being a fat autistic slob to an average weight autistic nonslob by learning to focus on why you're doing what you do instead of how much of a pain it is. Would write but eating with one hand.


 No.24623

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>>24621

Could you write once you have finished eating? That sounds really interesting.


 No.24625

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 No.24627

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>>24621

That sounds like a very legit good strategy. Purge yourself of the negative thoughts that are holding you back by forcing yourself to shift your focus onto whatever motivated you in the first place. I'll have to try and use that myself.

Another good mind-over-matter trick is to remind yourself that you are in control of your body, not your impulses. I find it useful for tuning back negative habits like pizza and beer.

Another thing you can do is associate positive actions (like doing the thing you want to do) with the person you want to become. Exercise is the most obvious example for this. Just picture yourself turning into someone strong and sexy, because you know you will.

Not that I'm someone who has it all figured out, and here's my 5 step program to becoming a happier you only 20$ initial unlock fee or anything. This is just how I see it.


 No.24636

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>>24618

I'm sorry, brosephiroth, there's no real "summary" of The 7 Habits that will give you the full benefit.

Although the following page and three-part video series gives a decent overview of one of the aspects that ought to be enough for those who don't want to read and apply the full book and its entire-life-encompassing plan/philosophy:

http://scoobysworkshop.com/2012/09/17/time-management-for-success-in-bodybuilding-and-life

It focuses on health & fitness, but the technique discussed can easily fit any other of your life goals.


 No.24650

>>24636

that's super weak sauce mt kilimanjabro is there at least an audio book version or something?


 No.24659

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 No.28498

>>24581

>too lazy and irresponsible to draw everyday.

I like you. You don't need to draw everyday in order to be good at drawing. At least for me. All you need is understanding some stuff, that's all.

you can find me at #8chan-/loli rizon server if you want to know more it.

Your /kind/ anon

Houraisan


 No.28499

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>>24581

I'm the exact same, but in learning nipponese instead.

I just want to enjoy the Saturn, but I can't keep to learning. I know if I start, I'll just drop it since no motivation.

Same with console modding.


 No.28501

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What usually works for me (I often overthink things)

is to don't think; feel and just do it


 No.28549

>>28499

Don't rely on motivation.

Make it a habit.


 No.28552

Most of the artists you look up to practiced because they had to. They HAD TO spend their energy through creating art. Because you have access to video games, daydreaming, porn, imageboards, the Internet in general, you can spend your energy through all these means. As it is now, you just don't need to draw, because your needs are too satiated. Actually becoming good at drawing is not an efficient move for you. You dream of becoming good at drawing and ask about it here because this is what you want - to dream about it. Dreaming and planning about becoming good at drawing is more efficient than actually becoming good at it. Actually becoming good at drawing would be very painful because you'd have to block yourself from achieving emotional satiation through unproductive means like fapping and channel all this desire to drawing. You'd have to stop dreaming about becoming good at drawing, because you'll satisfy yourself with dreaming and… why would you actually draw, if you're satiated?


 No.28553

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>>28552

This is indeed the underlying problem at the base of most un-productiveness, laziness, NEETdom, depression and apathy.

If you don't believe in duty, god, or leaving behind a legacy then it does not make sense to try to rise above the bare minimum of what is required to stay alive and pay the electric bill.

But then, it would not be plaguing so many people if it were an easy problem to solve. If it didn't make so much sense to be unproductive then we wouldn't do it. So let's try to come up with something extraordinary. A way for the nihilist to escape this mess.

I'll start, or try to. I think we need to focus on realistic desires and realistic needs. So:

-I don't want to get stuck driving a bus or stacking shelves for the rest of my life. Therefore I must make a habit of improving my skills.

-I want to be stimulated creatively. In order to get to a place where I can have what I want, I must make a habit of associating with creative people more often. No matter how much I prefer to be anti-social.

Writing these things down in simplistic, logical form is often a very good way to re-wire the brain. It is often used in psychological treatments. Since repetition and visualization is what makes the brain remember the best.

Picture unrelated.


 No.28555

>>28553

>I don't want to be stuck stacking shelves for the rest of my life, so I'm going to sit down right in this moment, summon unimaginable quantities of creative energy, and pour all my desire into developing my artistic abilities

Come on. What kind of work you're going to create as an artist if your motivation is an attempt to avoid stacking shelves? Besides… learning to draw isn't easier work than stacking shelves. I think one has got to feel the genuine need to draw even after coming home after 8 hours of stacking shelves. Then they'll succeed. But I'd desperately love to read about mindset of notable and successful artists. All that I know were idealists, but I only read of older artists like old masters. How about tumblr drawers of today? What is their thought process?


 No.28567

>>28555

Damn, the second part of my post is almost intelligible.

I wanted to say, it would be very useful to have a glimpse into a mind of successful artist, or perhaps into the mind of anyone very skilled in any craft.

From the little I read and talked with artists/skilled people, they get high off the subjects they're drawing. When they're drawing a human face expressing an emotion, during intense focus they make the same face as they draw, and it's like they're in trance. At other times, when drawing either porn or landscape, they're in state of "intense appreciation", that is, experiencing sexual or weed-like high.

I think the key to learning to draw is to magick yourself into such state, and you do that by relocating the emotional resources you spend fapping or playing games into drawing.

The problem is, and enormous one at that, when you're wired to derive pleasure from doing unproductive things and not from eg. drawing. Then, to get into drawing, would be like forcing yourself to hunt wild animals despite the fact you have all the food available in the grocery store. You don't draw because it makes no sense: you can satisfy yourself more efficiently with a simple fap or dopamine rushes from clicking links on the Internet all day.

All notable artists have always been people with high reserves of desire. When you make yourself feel good through watching tv all day, you're spending all your desire there.


 No.28571

>>28567

I created this theory about desire reading, observing artists and life in general. I think artists are generally people who wired themselves to use art to satisfy themselves from early childhood, often accidentally. Even if they spent an hour drawing every week, if they derived pleasure from it, it became the programmed habit for them.

In order to get good at drawing, one without such wired pathways, would have to force oneself to draw long enough to form a habit. If you can't do it and you fall back to your neurotic habits, it means your animal subconscious is stronger than your consciousness. You've got to employ tricks to control and tame your subconscious that is like dumb monster zombie. The treats that you give yourself for no reason, only give to yourself after practicing human anatomy for some hours.


 No.28576

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>>28555

>Come on. What kind of work you're going to create as an artist if your motivation is an attempt to avoid stacking shelves?

That's the thing, the source of your motivation does not affect the quality or nature of your work at all.

Many well-known painters were very economically minded. I can't remember who exactly, but I think it was Rembrandt who painted just for the $$$ and was more banker than artist.

>Besides… learning to draw isn't easier work than stacking shelves.

I'm not a drawer myself. I like to do game design, level design and animation. Those thing are WAY more fulfilling than stacking shelves. Work like that keeps the spirit alive.

>Then, to get into drawing, would be like forcing yourself to hunt wild animals despite the fact you have all the food available in the grocery store.

People do this, they're called hunters :p

The reason people take the harsh road is for the satisfaction. Plain and simple. No different from someone who chooses to masturbate themselves for the entire afternoon. This is what can help you overcome apathy!


 No.28577

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>28576

Help us, even. Since I'm no exception to the trappings of apathy either.

Also, today we are all Real Americans.


 No.28623

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I actually want to get better at art too. I don't know where to start though.

Whenever I would search up what to do, I'm overwhelmed and am put off by the idea of trying to get better. Do you have any suggestions, /kind/?


 No.28628

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>>28623

What puts you off trying to get better? Is it the complexity of the art tutorials you find?

Just remember that you can do it, so long as you take it one step at a time. There's no rush.

Also, draw every day! Or five days a week, or whenever you can!


 No.28634

>>28499

You really need a partner who can keep you accountable and give some speaking practice. I'll help if you want.


 No.28635

>>24581

>>28623

Maybe you could draw with me in flockdraw?

>>27861

Just pick a room you like from the list or type in the room name


 No.28649

>>28628

>Is it the complexity of the art tutorials?

Yes, I find them overwhelming. I can't find where to start since everything coincides with everything else.

>>28635

That sounds fun, friend. I don't really have a good means to draw though. I usually use an app on my phone that allows me to play around with layers and stuff like that


 No.28652

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Does cooking count?

No one really cooks for me, since everyone has "stuff to do", so I have to do my own cooking. I don't really enjoy it much either, it's often really messy, but I do enjoy food, even if I don't eat much. I also get tired of the same few dishes pretty quick.

Pic related, just made some curd donuts at 12 am. Ate most of them before taking the picture, though. A little overcooked, since it was my first time making them, but it turned out pretty decent.


 No.28802

I'd like to bump this thread because it's been the most interesting I read lately


 No.28813

>>28634

Probably the best way to do it. Maybe. It'd help a ton.


 No.28831

>>28813

Well I don't know how to get in touch with you, so that's a problem.


 No.28840

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I have a bad case of chronic daydreaming, how do I get rid of it?




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