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>>442

/pol/ politics? Hardly. /pol/ is mixed between libertarian and national socialist. He is an anarcho-capitalist but vouches for libertarianism.

Great guy it's just he grew up with a single mother, and guys like that struggle to come to faith.

>>436

I heard that Mr Molyneux had Talmudic Judaism from his mother's side.

>>451

He is an Atheist but people with missing fathers struggle to become believers.

>>456

Yeah there's a video at a conference where he says his mother is a Berlin Jew. I don't know.

>>458

>I don't know.

Any family's religious culture or ethnicity does, no if-ands-or-buts about it, does affect what the subsequent generations do.

That's why President Jefferson, even though was raised Anglican Christian, still wrote and talked a lot about Jesus even though he became a poster-child for the Deist heresy, S..

>>385

Jesus Christ putting the Samaritan woman at the well in line.

"I have no husband"

''"Thou hast well said, I have no husband :

For thou hast had five husbands ; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband : in that saidst thou truly."''

"Sir, I percieve that thou art a prophet."

I'd say that if you cannot find humour in woman's silliness, you probably are a heathen.

>>393

You pretty much answered the question for me. Their cunning and honor, basically. And their scheme.

>>394

Hahah. That's a good one. Here's another one. This is in 2 Samuel Chapter 6.

12 Now King David was told, “The Lord has blessed the household of Obed-Edom and everything he has, because of the ark of God.” So David went to bring up the ark of God from the house of Obed-Edom to the City of David with rejoicing. 13 When those who were carrying the ark of the Lord had taken six steps, he sacrificed a bull and a fattened calf. 14 Wearing a linen ephod, David was dancing before the Lord with all his might, 15 while he and all Israel were bringing up the ark of the Lord with shouts and the sound of trumpets.

16 As the ark of the Lord was entering the City of David, Michal daughter of Saul watched from a window. And when she saw King David leaping and dancing before the Lord, she despised him in her heart.

20 When David returned home to bless his household, Michal daughter of Saul came out to meet him and said, “How the king of Israel has distinguished himself today, going around half-naked in full view of the slave girls of his servants as any vulgar fellow would!”

>King David regulates hard

21 David said to Michal, “It was before the Lord, who chose me rather than your father or anyone from his house when he appointed me ruler over the Lord’s people Israel—I will celebrate before the Lord. 22 I will become even more undignified than this, and I will be humiliated in my own eyes. But by these slave girls you spoke of, I will be held in honor.”

23 And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.

>>434

Well, 2 Samuel took place before Christ was born, so…

The Ark is where the Lord dwelled. More specifically, in between the two cherubim, on the mercy seat. So it was a very holy object. And King David loved God moreso than probably anyone alive at that time. He was also a musician, so when he danced, he really threw it down to the music. In this particular passage, the Israelites had just repossesed the Ark from the Philistines and were bringing it to Jerusalem. So they were excited and celebrated with exceptional enthusiasm.

>>422

> At the risk of feeding a troll

What? I am Board Owner. I understand that homosexuality is a sin and this is anonymous, so I just felt like you might want to confess it. I wasn't judging you : (

> I was tempted to meet his insults with much of the same.

Yep. I know this feel. That's why I don't bother too much with apologetics/you know answer questions. Preach the gospel and make it known I am Christian. If he can't at the bare minimum tolerate it that's his problem.

>>423

My apologies. I'm just so used to being antagonized. But yeah, I'm completely straight. I liek da bewbz. I enjoy the discussions that allow me to do the apologetics thing but recently the people I've been having these exchanges with aren't interested in having their minds changed.

>>425

> I enjoy the discussions that allow me to do the apologetics thing but recently the people I've been having these exchanges with aren't interested in having their minds changed.

It's not until God takes out the heart of stone and puts in a heart of flesh that they will want to hear.

I am assume you are talking to a bunch of young guys who are more interested in partying and other social stuff. Just pray for them.

They're 25 and I'm 26. They're mostly loners enamored of philosophy. One's the homosexual anti-theist. Then there's a self-proclaimed physicalist-nihilist and the remaining guy is into astrophysics. A mental-masturbation circlejerk if there ever was one. Look into Physicalism. It's gotta be the most half-baked philosophy I've ever heard of. I asked him to describe the mind and he did so by saying, 'it's the real-time experience of brain processes' going on to deny the existence of consciousness.

>>427

Look up Van Till, Greg Bahsen, John Frame on presuppositionalism. If you want to debate philosophy like a Christian

>>340

>So, you're saying that justifies their being "booted out of countries/massacred all throughout history"?

I simply stated historical facts. I'm not justifying anything, you're looking for a reason to attack that isn't there. If stating facts about murder is justifying murder then everyone in the legal system would be in jail.

Liberal pls, pls

>>333

Waste of trips

>>349

Do you hate evangelicals? I am consider myself evangelical. I hate the Zionist. Are you RC?

>>360

It's a Talmudic Jewish man who made this thread, who wishes to keep his race at the centre of discussion in as many places as possible.

Basically, board sliding along with pro-Talmud propagandising…

>>364

I don't have a very high opinion of them, no

But my experience with them tends to be TV personalities same as most people

>>373

Shameful. A lot of the evangelicals I know are NT scholars, apologists, philosophers and textual critics. But also powerful preachers.

>>364

>>374

>>377

https://defenseofaith.wordpress.com/about/

Comprehensive library on PA

Tl;dw

OP, explain why Calvin fails at explaining the Eucharist

>>58

Yeah that's an outsiders view of Arminianism

>>351

> OP, explain why Calvin fails at explaining the Eucharist

He has. He goes back to the apostolic meaning of the Eucharist. That is as the Didache itself suggests is a thanksgiving. A remembrance.

>>353

Which is a problem I will always have with Calvinism.

In the Holiness Movement we do say "do this in remembrance of me" but we still believe that Christ is indeed present during the sacrament. It's one of the reasons we only allow believers to partake.

>>355

I recommend you read this

http://www.reformedapologeticsministries.com/2014/03/historical-examnination-of-roman.html

>>357

http://www.reformedapologeticsministries.com/2014/03/proof-roman-catholic-mass-is-unbiblical.html

>>268

I was just wondering why bump a thread on this board. Not many threads. Well thank you. Give these books a look. The first book is a must read.

>>335

I got both : ^)

I have yet to read either : ^ (

>>335

Cathodox much, brah?

Or is there something extra special sauce in this book?

I mean I want to read it, I've just never heard anyone protty promoting it

>>337

They're not only thick in size but dense in prose, so I don't blame anyone for being intimidated. They're worth it, however. Fantastic stories told masterfully.

>>339

My decision to read a particular book is often based upon it's merit. I wouldn't entirely disregard something potentially enriching simply for being unaligned with what I think. I fell in love and identified with all three brothers. The characters, especially Dmitri, are all so developed and relatable. The story is emotionally, intellectually and spiritually engaging. It's everything you could want from a fiction.

I'm so unconcerned with denomination that any reference was easily ignored. It was an incredible read and I pity anyone who would dismiss it for such superficial reasons.

>>316

I was reading an article at John Piper's website desiringgod.com. He made a point about the exact issue you have. Too much knowledge of God (in the sense the time spent reading is disportionate spent adoring God in prayer - having too much knowledge is impossible).

http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/reignite-your-prayer-life

I can't seem to find it but just type in prayer into the search function. Some great articles.

I would recommend AW Tozer and RC Sproul. They have some great sermons on the holiness of God. I am currently reading Tozer's book "The Knowledge of the Holy". Check it out.

>>322

I've been more involved with the existential, philosophical side of Christianity for so long that now I have trouble with the most fundamental concepts. Faith, prayer, trust… And this constant war fare waging within me, the flesh and the spirit is wearing me out. Satan relentlessly pursues the people who most threaten his MO and at times I simply give in. Thanks for the link. And thanks for taking interest. We need more of that here.

> And thanks for taking interest. We need more of that here.

I don't really care if this board takes off. I am happy with just the ten of us here in fellowship. The true church of Christ is always going to be small.

What's kind of philosophers are you reading? St. Augustine and St. Anselm are a must.

>>326

Finished The Confessions by Augustine recently. I loved it. He sheds insight on almost everything and while the passages are rather short, there's much to learn. I have a 'selected writings' book by Aquinas but his style of writing really gives my commitment to finish it a challenge. I'll have to check out Anselm. Thanks for the recommendation.

>>317

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZtUyEoQBiU

I'd just recommend this really.

bump

Catholicism isn't big in my country, so I hadn't really come into contact with it. /christian/ made me realize just how different Catholicism and Protestantism are from each other. I never even imagined they were all that different before.

>>325

Yeah when you do any meaningful research in Roman Catholicism you found out it's a complete different religion to Christianity.

>>288

I thought the purpose of this board was serious discussion, not just a protestant version of /christian/ where instead of Catholic shitposting you have protestant shitposting.

>>291

Why not a little of both? By the way, you're no better, in fact worse as a hypocrite. Go ahead and answer O.P. then.

>>288

>implying faith without works

>>295

Could you explain the green-text, S.?

>>276

>The Bible is not reliable, every Mormon knows this which is why we only believe parts of it.

as demonstrated by the words:

>>275

>> 8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly

>>as far as it is translated correctly

>>translated correctly

yet there is no such constraint on the Book of Mormon.

I guess that's because Joe Smith was a righteous man who DID translate the golden things correctly, right?

>mormons getting all of this free publicity

Time to hide this thread, I guess.

yes.

either way you may also join >>>/christ/

>>283

I am here still.

> Did anyone else find it strange that the apparent B.O. was arguing against the K.J.V. on this new /kjv/ board?

Because on halfchan all boards were either 3 letters or 1, so I named this kjv. Also because Steven Anderson is a popular meme pastor who is a KJV-onlyist.

>>255

Watch the other material.

>>284

L.O.L., well at least you're stylish.

Another plus regarding that version is that it provides the somewhat rarer Apocrypha in seamles Elizabethan, or Early Modern English.

>>285

I just bought a while ago a Reformation Heritage KJV study Bible. So I am not anti-KJV.

Im actually kinda anti-kjv

Its just not good enough for todays world. It has too many failures.

>>293

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>>256

>Real Calvinism begins at the twentieth point :^)

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>Although by free will I assume you mean we have a sensory type of free will in that we don't really have it but we don't feel as if we are being commanded at gun point.

Hmmm, yes, and no.

I want to start out by saying I'm not an expert in this area, and not really even an amateur theologian. I haven't read Calvin directly, though I have read a lot of secondary sources, and I am largely taking my lead from Dr Piper. So, I'm basically excusing, here, my ignorance of the finer points of the whole Calvinist-Molinist-Arminian argument which, I freely admit, I have done my very best to avoid like the plague.

I want to begin by emphasising that we are not robots, and I don't think it is Calvin's doctrine that we are. That is more an Arminian straw-man of what we believe. So, when you type: we don't really have it but we don't feel as if we are being commanded at gun point, that kinda sounds like a robot, in that we don't actually have any will but are directed by God's will alone. I'm just saying what it sounds like, and it may not be your position, but it was a useful jumping-off point that may help OP >>235 and anon >>247 to understand what we mean by our theology here.

As human beings, we have will. What we don't have is FREE will. I am not perfectly free to do as I please. My will is subservient to God's will. The only persons that have this is the triune God of all. Only God has perfectly free will. He can do as He pleases and none can say to Him, "What have you done?"

But, this is not the same as saying that we have no will and are robots to God's will, or that our every thought or impulse is from God. Obviously, since I am free to sin, that cannot possibly be so because God is NOT a sinner, nor does he cPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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We definitely have will of our own

Secondly, in this video >>190 James White gives the excellent example of Isaiah 10 in which the Lord explains that He is using the Assyrians to punish Israel. In this case, He is not, apparently, overruling the Assyrians desire for conquest but is using it for His own purposes. This demonstrates that we clearly have will of our own:

I send him [Assyria] against a godless nation, I dispatch him against a people who anger me, to seize loot and snatch plunder, and to trample them down like mud in the streets. But this is not what he intends, this is not what he has in mind; his purpose is to destroy, to put an end to many nations. (Isaiah 10:6-7)

We have will, but it is not free

Secondly, in Exodus, the Lord makes it very clear that HE will harden the Pharoah's heart so that he will resist Moses call to release the Israelites despite all the plagues the Lord inflicts on Egypt. Pharoah was none the wiser. He truly believed this was the right course of action, to be this mean-spirited even though, it seems, he might otherwise have relented to spare his country more pain. His will was subservient to God's, and, to demonstrate His Godhood to the Israelites, the Lord made the Pharoah do what was apparently counter to Pharoah's normal will.

The Lord said to Moses, "When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go. (Ex 4:21, my emph.)

But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I multiply my signs and wonders in Egypt, 4 he will not listen to you. (Ex 7:3-4a, my emph.)

Then the Lord said to Moses, "Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I mayPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>271

You should seriously pick up Calvin's Institutes. Not too pricey I am sure.

> rubber truly hits the road in distinguishing Calvinism from Arminianism and Molinism: whether or not I can choose to serve God.

It really lies at monergy v. synergy.

>>272

Essentially your post is what Martin Luther's and Erasmus polemics were about in his book Bondage of the Will. Great exegesis of scripture. I agree with the points you made. I think this video sums our moral responsibility and man's sovereignty pretty well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB4KVtzMbpw