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fede65 No.396

>N.R. Needham’s 2,000 Years of Christ’s Power, Vol. 1: Age of the Early Church Fathers, part of a very accessible but well-informed multi-volume survey of church history. On pp. 66-75 he outlines a fairly typical church service in the second century (A.D. 101-200), based on descriptions and instructions found in the early Church fathers.

>Part 1: Service of the Word

>1. Opening greeting by bishop and response by the congregation. Often, the bishop would say “The Lord be with you” and the congregation would respond, “And with your spirit.”

>2. Old Testament Scripture reading. Usually read or chanted by a deacon.

>3. Psalm or hymn (I). Chanted or sung.

>4. New Testament Scripture reading (I). This first NT reading was from any NT book outside the gospels.

>5. Psalm or hymn (II).

>6. New Testament Scripture reading (II). From one of the four gospels.

>7. Sermon. Delivered by the bishop, while seated.

>8. Dismissal of all but baptized believers.

>Part 2: The Eucharist

>1. Congregational prayers. The prayer leader—the bishop in the West; senior deacon in the East—would announce the first topic. The congregation prayed silently for a while. Then the leader summed up the petitions with his own spoken prayer. Then he would do the same pattern again with a new topic. This was a lengthy part of the service. Early Christian art suggests that a typical posture from praying was standing, looking heavenward, with arms outstretched and palms up.

>2. The Lord’s Supper. Here’s the order: (1) the bishop offered a greeting; (2) the congregation responded; (3) there was a “kiss of peace” (men to men, women to women); (4) church members brought their own small loaf of bread and flask of wine from home; the deacons took these and spread them out on the Lord’s table, emptying the flasks of wine into one large silver cup. (5) The bishop and the congregation engaged in a liturgical “dialogue” with the congregation; (6) the bishop led the congregation in prayer; (7) the bishop and the deacons broke the bread and distributed the cup to the congregation. (8) Something would be said to each member as he or she received the elements (e.g., “The bread of heaven in Christ Jesus,” with the response of “Amen.”) Unconsumed bread and wine would be taken home by church members to use for celebrating communion at home during the weekdays.

>3. Benediction. E.g., “Depart in peace,” spoken by the deacon.

Source: http://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org/justintaylor/2010/08/29/what-was-a-church-service-like-in-the-second-century/

So, /kjv/, given Jesus said "Do this in remembrance of me", how often in a typical month would your church have the Eucharist?

86f7a6 No.397

Is the Eucharist in a church that is heretical still valid? What should one do if there are only churches with heretical/liberal theology nearby?


e1baa8 No.398

>>396

We have communion probably 4-6 times a year at my Reformed church

>>397

Find a non-heretical one?!

Also OP I like the service you listed. My church follows a similar kind of service style. I personally prefer Lutheran worship or high-church Anglican worship.


2f565b No.400

Do Lutheran Christians call their service of Holy Communion a "Mass"?


e1baa8 No.401

>>400

Lutherans and Anglicans do it. But it in low church Protestant denominations its called the Lord's supper. In most Anglican and Lutheran churches it is usually called communion, and with the exception of a few of them they call it eucharist. Or holy eucharist or holy communion. I personally prefer communion. Eucharist sounds to Romanistic and Lord's supper to hillbilly Baptist.


2f565b No.403

>>401

Ite missa est as they used to say.


2f565b No.404

>>396

It was nice, the low mass service is quiet and plus the rector is fresh as it's his first service of the day.


2f565b No.407

>>396

Your turn, O.P.


23dca7 No.433

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>>407

:^)

I ask because as >>398 says:

>We have communion probably 4-6 times a year at my Reformed church

I've been doing the rounds of a few churches recently, and communion is seemingly ridiculously rare amongst protestant churches in my city. The only time I've had it is when I been attending this High Anglican church.

Now, I'm not one for smells-n-bells, or for retaining traditions for the sake of it, or for transubstantiations, and remain to be convinced of any meaning beyond "do this in remembrance of me", but, seriously, what the actual flock? Communion is now one of those "yeah, it's optional" things?! Or is it now "too Catholic" for us to retain it?! I find this lack of faith communion disturbing.

Am I the only one?

>>397

>Is the Eucharist in a church that is heretical still valid?

Ahhh, here was me thinking you were visiting from /christian/

I guess that depends on whether you believe the wine and wafer transubstantiate and have a bunch more rules about who can touch it and how. Most Protestants – hmm, don't know about Lutherans or High Anglicans – believe these things are about faith, not rigorous religiosity, so if you accept them in faith, in faith you have done it in remembrance of Him.

That said, as the OP testifies, in ye olde days, heathens were not welcome in the communion part of the service, and Paul advised against having anything to do with heretics. So, I would still find a better church if they're all modernists.

>>398

>I personally prefer Lutheran worship or high-church Anglican worship.

I will confess I have strangely fallen in love with choral services, especially the Psalm chants (video related). Weird. (for me… a VERY non-Catholic) But then maybe I am falling into Augustine's trap regarding music?!

>>400

>Do Lutheran Christians call their service of Holy Communion a "Mass"?

>>401

>>>400

>Lutherans and Anglicans do it

Can't speak for Lutherans, and I won't pretend to speak for all Anglicans worldwide, but I've belonged to quite a few Anglican churches and never once heard a Eucharist/Communion service called a "Mass".

Never.

Almost always "Communion", sometimes "Lord's Supper", but now that I'm attending a High Anglican church, it's a "Eucharist" service.


c149fb No.439

>>433

Is it mandatory in Catholic churches? Communion, that is. In Protestant churches it's optional because you may not be in the right place in your life to be taking it. When I was living in sin but still attending church, I'd pass, knowing I'd be continuing with my sinful lifestyle when I got out of church.


e1baa8 No.440

>>433

> Communion is now one of those "yeah, it's optional" things?! Or is it now "too Catholic" for us to retain it?! I find this lack of faith communion disturbing.

I would prefer my church to have worship 3 times a week and communion on Fridays. But we only do morning and evening service on the Lord's day.

> Am I the only one?

I wish it was done more frequent. But you have to understand that in the Romanist paradigm of salvation where your works save you the mass which isn't the biblical form of communion is done as a propitiatory sacrifice to make you better in right standing with God as opposed to thanksgiving (which the Bible teaches).

So I understand why they don't do it too often since we are saved. We are not being saved everyday.

> I will confess I have strangely fallen in love with choral services, especially the Psalm chants (video related). Weird. (for me… a VERY non-Catholic) But then maybe I am falling into Augustine's trap regarding music?!

I love it. I would love to attend a high church Lutheran church or Presbyterian one.

What denomination are you?


6d3ce8 No.441

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>>439

Sorry, when I said "optional" I mean that it isn't part of every service, not that the individual does or doesn't have the option to partake.

And, in my specific churches tour, isn't in services at all.

>>440

>So I understand why they don't do it too often since we are saved. We are not being saved everyday.

Yeah, I agree. I'm not suggesting it is anything more than thanksgiving, and I agree with your logic. But, I'm not talking about it being something that's in one-of-four services, I'm talking about that it isn't in any and how I think that is just wrong.

>I love it. I would love to attend a high church Lutheran church or Presbyterian one. What denomination are you?

Well, the services I'm referring to are, obviously, Anglican (Episcopalian if you're American). But, if you asked this:

>What denomination are you?

…in general terms, I'm not really anything in particular.

I wasn't born into the church – though I was the only one of my siblings "Christened" Anglican – but into a practical atheist family. So, given I converted courtesy of an evangelical Christian para-church group, I have no particular allegiances, denomination-wise.

I cross the "Christian" box on our censuses partly because it's none of their beeswax, and mostly because I really do not identify with any denomination other than Christ.

Needless to say, on combative /christian/ I came to filling in the generic protestant box because… y'know… that place was feral…

That said, I really am a pretty die-hard evangelical (reformed, even) protestant. But, I've attended everything from Pentecostal to Presbyterian churches.

And while I have no issues with the form of Catholic services, but their theology is just not something I could ever agree to, and so they'd never let me in the door.

Know too little about Orthodox theology to comment

But, tl;dr, I've probably spent more time belonging to evangelical Anglican churches than anything else. So, enjoying the Psalm chants of high Anglicanism… very unusual for me!


e7d2fe No.462

>>441

>Orthodox

It seems cuckservative to say that a foreign branch of Christianity is the one that is "orthodox" or "correct".


bbc8e2 No.463

>>441

I am assuming you're in the UK. Are there any conservative Anglican churches in the UK? Like ones that don't ordain women and preach from the Cosmopolitan. I live in Australia I would love nothing more than to attend a nice conservative Anglican church.


bbc8e2 No.464

>>462

Their soteriology is messed up and they heretics.


2f565b No.488

>>464

Yes, they are suspiciously like the syncretism of Christianity and steppe paganism, Mongolian-style.

Their's isn't a godly place, and there are plenty of idols or near idols around such as extra weight placed on icons and relics.



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