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4395ac No.507

Is Luther's reasoning that the non-Christian is wrong because he attributes glory to himself instead of God meant to be applied even when he doesn't recognize glory, or doesn't attribute it to anything?

57a4e0 No.509

>>507

What do you mean by glory?


7f9833 No.513

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>>507

>meant to be applied even when he doesn't recognize glory, or doesn't attribute it to anything?

ESPECIALLY when.

My ignorance of what red means on those big three-light posts at intersections does not mean I didn't just break the law.

Whether a nonny recognises it or not, SOMEONE is king of their lives, someone is making aaaaaaall the decisions, is the ultimate authority in their lives, and someone is reaping the rewards for all their efforts. Now they can give their boss the glory, or their spouse, even their children, or the company, or perhaps their country or its regent, or even their pastor, priest or Pope can get the glory, or maybe it is a mix of everyone and mostly themselves, but someone or something is getting it. Someone is being obeyed, someone is being put highest in the pecking order of priorities on how the nonny makes their decisions.

That person is, de facto, getting the glory.

To give God the glory is to vacate the throne in our inmost heart and say to God, "Only you can sit here."

And before you say, "Hurr durr, everyone is forced to obey others, everyone and anyone can defer their obedience, and thereby give the glory to another, even Christians do this", I am not being flippant here. Of course everyone has people to obey, but they don't get the glory because, at some point, they are not the ultimate boss, they may one day ask me for something a Christian will not give because it belongs to God alone, such as worship.

Refer the Book of Daniel, when he refused to worship the great statue and stop worshiping his God. Daniel would obey the king in all things, willingly prostrate for the king, but not on this. Daniel was saying, "Only God gets the glory; I obey you, King, because God has made you king, and I obey God."

So, yes, "even when [the non-Christian] doesn't recognize glory, or doesn't attribute it to anything".


4395ac No.515

>>509

I just assumed he meant "glory" as in "an ideal thing. primarily associated with superiority, smugness, and stuff like that. Hence the joke that an ego who could take glory would be a spook.

>>513

>Refer the Book of Daniel, when he refused to worship the great statue and stop worshiping his God. Daniel would obey the king in all things, willingly prostrate for the king, but not on this.

Looks like it just means to never stop worshipping God.




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