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>>508

>I for one suggest;

>- Remove women as priests

>- Go conservative with God

Alright, fine, okay with "going conservative" but only because God is conservative. The focus must be not on contending conservatively for the sake of being right-wing Americans, but because the things we're contending on – anti-abortion, etc – are reflecting the heart of God

>- Press harder on morality

(ditto)

>- Offer the eucharist once a week

>- Focus on liturgy God, on building up the church

I would also add:

- Actually focus on God in everything the CoE does. To wit…

- Cease anointing liberal, half-baked and useless "Christians" as vicars who preach pithy, "witty" sermons in the same so-anglican-it's-a-fucking-meme-way pic soooo related, that say absolutely nothing, and ignore the actual needs of the congregation, who spend more time talking about love for the alien, love for the homosexuals, love for the downtrodden, than actually spend time loving their own parishioners, binding their (spiritual) wounds, encouraging their faith, building them up to love their neighbours, … hell, to love even the people within their own bloody parish!!

- Let the Anglo-Catholics go away and forge their own Catholic Church of England

- Do whatever it takes to make the CoE more Christ-like, to encourage the lost to find, to focus, week-after-week-after-week, on Christ and make sure that no attendee could ever NOT know the Gospel of Jesus Christ

- Pah, yeah, just do this … let the Evangelicals run the place

And if you really want to make the place radical for Jesus:

- Get rid of the salaried vicar so that it's no longer "just a job I'd be okay at" but an actual calling that people want

- Replace the sermon with either an exposition on a Biblical passage, OR a Q&A discussion in the entire congregation on how they ought think and will react to this or that latest evil happening in the world, but this would take some time to get right

- Dispense with this utterly unbiblical notion that a church service lasts precisely one hour or one hour and ten minutes and if it is longer than that people just start walking out during the last hymn. Attending means "get ready to leave at 4pm"

- Turn the eucharist into what it originally bloody was: sharing a love feast and "doing it in remembrance of Him"

- Allowing people, as it was permissible even as late as the 3rd century, to take home the "left-over" bread and wine for their own communions, at home, during the week and stop with this utterly stupid notion that it's so special only a priest can touch it.

- Encourage people to learn to live not on the liturgy, on the ritual, on the flowing robes, on the beautiful church building with its lovely stained-glass, but to live on the Spirit of God, to live in the Love Christ preached on, that the epistles and letter expound on, to remember that it is only by the Spirit of God that we live, truly live, in Christ and that we must live each day reminded of this fact, and that it must be a conscious and deliberate thing the congregation is reminded of each week

- Dispense with the hierarchy, not because doctrinal rigidity is not still absolutely necessary, nor because accountability isn't still absolutely necessary, but to, again, stop with this notion that being an ecclesiastical official is a forking job that I can, like all jobs, blob my way through. Allow congregations to rely more on their Elders and national unity to rely more on councils of bishops where, of course, a Bishop was just the city's chief pastor

- Mandate doctrinal orthodoxy but implementational flexibility. Let the things reasonable men can disagree on to slide and focus entirely on the core orthodoxies. Learn from the Presbyterians, Baptists and others, not only what they got right, but also what they got wrong

- And if all of this gets going swimmingly, consider talks with the same to encourage union talks

But, most of all, never allow any form, any method, any liturgy, any process to become part of the orthodoxy

Mandate another revolution every fifty years

This might get the CoE closer to God, but, humans being humans, I doubt it

>>518

> Alright, fine, okay with "going conservative" but only because God is conservative. The focus must be not on contending conservatively for the sake of being right-wing Americans, but because the things we're contending on – anti-abortion, etc – are reflecting the heart of God

Of course. I am not trying to contrarian. That's a great and important point we should focus on.

> Cease anointing liberal, half-baked and useless "Christians" as vicars who preach pithy, "witty" sermons in the same so-anglican-it's-a-fucking-meme-way pic soooo related, that say absolutely nothing, and ignore the actual needs of the congregation

AMEN !!!

We would fix 90% of the liberal problem if they stopped ordaining women.

> Let the Anglo-Catholics go away and forge their own Catholic Church of England

They are necessary evil since they keep the liturgy orthodox. They are benefit for conservatism a risk for orthodoxy. I would purge the Papists within.

> Replace the sermon with either an exposition on a Biblical passage

That is a sermon.

> Q&A discussion in the entire congregation on how they ought think and will react to this or that latest evil happening in the world, but this would take some time to get right

No.

> Dispense with this utterly unbiblical notion that a church service lasts precisely one hour or one hour and ten minutes and if it is longer than that people just start walking out during the last hymn. Attending means "get ready to leave at 4pm"

Well I understand the faith should be the priority but people have schedules. Of course I acknowledge this. It can really ruin the service if it's cut short because the pastor wants to hasten up.

> Turn the eucharist into what it originally bloody was: sharing a love feast and "doing it in remembrance of Him"

What do you mean? I like the traditional Latin style of communion. With the kneeling and handing out. I am sucker for high church stuff. Sue me!!

> Allowing people, as it was permissible even as late as the 3rd century, to take home the "left-over" bread and wine for their own communions, at home, during the week and stop with this utterly stupid notion that it's so special only a priest can touch it.

Absolutely. That's a Romish notion.

> Encourage people to learn to live not on the liturgy, on the ritual, on the flowing robes, on the beautiful church building with its lovely stained-glass, but to live on the Spirit of God, to live in the Love Christ preached on, that the epistles and letter expound on, to remember that it is only by the Spirit of God that we live, truly live, in Christ and that we must live each day reminded of this fact, and that it must be a conscious and deliberate thing the congregation is reminded of each week

Paul Washer right here. Very important. This is where evangelicals/Baptist/low-church Protestants win. Get some of them in there.

But AW Tozer himself was a greatly in favor of the liturgy.

> Mandate doctrinal orthodoxy but implementational flexibility. Let the things reasonable men can disagree on to slide and focus entirely on the core orthodoxies. Learn from the Presbyterians, Baptists and others, not only what they got right, but also what they got wrong

Not quite sure what you mean. Just stick to the 39 articles.

I feel you are a low churchmen trying to downgrade the CoE. Call me a Papist but someone of the stuff you criticise it for are what makes it great.

>>519

Cheers

>>520

I like the Church of England Continuing. In Australia the Sydney Diocese are very conservative. God bless them. >>520

>>522

>We would fix 90% of the liberal problem if they stopped ordaining women.

I don't think so. Remember, it had to pass through the church full of men before women could be ordained, and those men are 90% of the problem.

>>Anglo-Catholics

>They are necessary evil since they keep the liturgy orthodox

No, they keep the liturgy 15th century. They're not interested in orthodoxy. Remember, same people, women priests. Just sayin'

>>Replace the sermon with either an exposition on a Biblical passage

>That is a sermon.

HA!

Once more, think the Rowan Atkinson vicar meme. Sure, there might be a verse thrown in there with some fluffy business that tangentially relates to it, like his/her point is about penguins and that Bible passage mentions penguins, too … but no, one thing Anglican sermons are not – unless, fine, you're in a Evang' or Charo' church – is "expositional".

>>Q&A discussion

>No.

And so we continue down the path of Priest serving a passive congregation. We have to break people's passivity because they breeds the idea that "church is a place you go once a week" and not "church is the life I lead in Christ". But, I implicitly understand that churches are full of people that would love nothing more than to pontificate on the nature of the UFOs they see over west London. Obviously that's not what I mean. So, I am circumspect about the nature of "open" in this

Now am I talking about wasting peoples' time with inanities, but I think with the love feast and discourse you could not squeeze that into an hour is all.

>Well I understand the faith should be the priority but people have schedules

(kek) You're aware of the I'd-like-my-cake-and-to-eat-it-too of that statement, yes?

>>love feast

1 Corinthians 11:17-34

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agape_feast

http://www.earlychurch.com/LoveFeast.html

http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/love-feast.html

https://www.studylight.org/dictionaries/hbd/view.cgi?n=3930

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