No.1579
What are your thoughts on Hatred? I know it people immensely butthurt, even an Anti Vidya SJW Blog and many others calling the devs neo-nazis and other such insults.
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http://fucknovideogames.tumblr.com/post/100204212288/hatred-is-a-genocide-simulator-developed-by-neo-nazis_ No.1583
The author of FNVG isn't in any position to criticize the character of others since he has a history of repeatedly writing offensive content. They all had the "tw:" label and disclaimer.
No.1585
>Created by Neo Nazis!!!!
Actually, they're a Polish developer and the guy you saw wearing the shirt had a grandfather who died fighting German occupation in WW2. That shirt had the symbol of the Polish resistance. Many of the people on the development team come from families that suffered worse than anyone during the holocaust.
But y'know, you're a first-world white kiddie with zero actual problems so of course you'd be too ignorant to know that.
No.1616
No.1620
>>1616The devs are pretty humble, chill, and down-to-earth. I dig them.
No.1628
Hm.
No.1653
From what I've seen, it just seems like a fairly generic edgy action game, like manhunt but from the top down, and without any of the interesting characters.
I've yet to see anything "redpilled" from the trailers or anything within the actual game. It just seems like "Nathan Explosion looking guy kills people because reasons".
Games like Postal have humor and interesting gameplay mechanics going for them. Hatred doesn't have any of that. It's just "violent game to create controversy". I appreciate the intention to piss off the tumblrverse but I don't see it being very fun to play.
No.1663
>>1585everything not politically correct is nazi. godwin spins in his grave
No.1689
>>1616>games to be acknowledged as an art formI fucking hate faggots like this cunt. Sure they want games as art, but only games they approve of, games that that pass through their ever expanding politically correct filter, only games that will evolve and enhance the vidya as an art form (aka false-retro pretentious indie shit).
Fuck I want to see more and more devs tearing people like that a new one and just revelling in their butthurt because they know they can't do a damn thing about it, the devs are actually making the games they want to make while the ass blasted sensitive faggot can only moan, whine and bitch.
That said, these devs are chill and cool as all fuck. I don't like Hatred since its not the type of game I play but godamnit do I support their right to make it and tell all the crybabby indiefags to fuck off.
Because that's what being an American is all about.
No.1701
>>1653You could still send them some suggestions while they're still developing it.
No.1722
>>1689Games can be art. They fail to realize that Marquis De Sade's works are also art.
No.2041
I don't care what people say. The game looks like fun and I don't give a fuck.
No.2042
>>1689Yeah. Let us not forget that many of history's Great Works of art were met with riots, and in some cases, even burning down the concert hall.
If people want vidya to be eligible as art (and I think it can be, there are so many games that elicit more of an emotional response from me than any other medium), then EVERYTHING has to be able to fall under that lens.
Either it's all art, or none of it is. They (SJWs, overzealous politically correct folk) are not allowed to say "games are art" and then pick and choose "oh wait, but that game isn't art, I don't like it."
No.2052
>>1585My grandfather died in World War 2 after a
tower guard landed on him.
No.2054
Too much serious, not enough funny. Seemingly uninspired and edgy as fuck.
I've heard something about neo-nazis and something saying not neo-nazis, until it's properly sourced or justified (criminal record, ect.) it will be ignored.
Either way I would love for the devs to ram the whole "games are art" bullshit so far down the throats of these censorious SJW fucks that they shit Picasso for long enough not to forget the experience.
No.2055
>a genocide simulator developed by nazis
HAND CRAFTED BY REAL NAZIS USING ONLY THE FINEST ZYKLON-B
No.2057
>>1579We've been over this a number of times, anon-kun. Here's what I've had to say about Hatred:
>http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnbuiltTrope
>To clarify, Postal is the "unbuilt trope user" - it's a deconstruction of the concept of mass killing in media, the influences that could cause someone to become a mass killer, and the attitudes had by society towards those prone to such influences; all formulated before any such had become a commonly discussed topic in its artistic medium. Then Hatred's developers come along and (or so it seems from the trailer they've shared) play straight every idea that RWS deconstructed back in 1997 - making themselves look a bit dumb in doing so. No.2063
>>2057They're dumb because they don't do it exactly the same way? Because they aren't interested in deconstructing the mass killer? What's wrong with that?
And >citing TV Tropes
No.2073
Game should be made, any game no matter how tasteless in nature has a right to exist. It's art and no different than putting a Crucifix in a jar of Piss.
With that said I don't think there's anything really interesting in Hatred that hasn't already been done by games. Hell Postal 1 is far more disturbing than hatred. If RWS really remakes it faithfully they will piss everyone off again.
Hopefully Hatred will have something more to say than its first trailer appeared to have.
No.2080
It's very similar to the original Postal. Which apart from the controls, I lOVED. So yes!
No.2098
>>1585>Many of the people on the development team come from families that suffered worse than anyone during the holocaust.Ignorant 'Murrikan here. Could you go on about this please? As far as I know, Jews had it really rough during that time and no one here ever really told me what happened to the Polish.
Yes, I'm asking you to spoonfeed me, please No.2113
>>2098
>still believing the holocaust myth>not watching The Greatest Story Never Toldstupid goyim, don't forget to donate money to israel!
No.2118
>>2054Is there some kind of "games art" award?
And if so, how do we get Hatred to win it?
No.2129
>>2098you can look it up for better detail but basically during ww2 Germany and Russia were like "dude we'll totally help you fight those fascists/commies just let us in man." Poland wasn't very trusting of either of them and ended up getting fucked from both ends
No.2131
>>2098Go to /pol/ and ask
No.2140
>>2055Hah, good one.
Also check 'em dubs No.2165
>>2054What the fuck does "Neo-Nazi" have to do with Hatred?
Game isn't about Nazi's why would it be?!?
Too much money was poured into Hatred for it to include some "auto-ban" material for the SJW's to froth over!
Get over yourself.
No.2192
>>2165Calm the fuck down. I was asked what I thought and the only thing aside the intro trailer I knew about was some neo-nazi scandal which lived and died in about a week.
No.2209
Seems like postal 1 all over again, i'm waiting for Lieberman to get on this shit
No.2219
>>2192Some SJWs dug out stuff without really understanding it. On the photo, one of the team had a patriotic T-shirt with "Żołnierze Wyklęci" (Cursed Soldiers) on it - they were members of the anti-German resistance during World War II who refused to surrender to the Soviets and continued their fight. In communist Poland it was forbidden to even talk about them; that's why they are called "cursed". 1 March is their national holiday.
Later it turned out that one of the dev team liked Polska Liga Obrony (an anti-immigration movement) on Facebook while another seems to be a member of ONR (Obóz Narodowo-Radykalny - a Polish nationalist organization). Antifa is indeed (so far fruitlessly) trying to ban it.
On the other hand, the creative people don't seem to have anything to do with the political right at all, seeing how in a recent interview they expressed opinions that run contrary to the beliefs of ONR, such as about the Church's influence. As a whole, they appear to be completely apolitical.
No.2220
>>2219Thank you for explaining that.
Anyway I'm keeping my eye on it, might get it to spite SJWs.
No.2248
>>2165Some anti Video Game SJW turmblr posted bullshit what was mix of godwin law stuff and tons of ignorance. Idiots listened and believed, posted info somewhere else and more idiots listened and believed.
No.2252
Hatred has been pulled from Greenlight…
No.2255
>>2252valve breaking their own rules, how amusing.
No.2256
>>2252>>2255So when are Postal 1&2 getting pulled?
No.2258
>>2252>>2255Why assume that it wasn't removed because it got downvoted, which is reason for removal?
No.2261
>>2260>Based on what we've see on Greenlight we would not publish Hatred on SteamDoug Lombardi can suck my nuts.
No.2263
>>1653>Games like Postal have humor and interesting gameplay mechanicsYou mean Postal 2? I don't remember humor or interesting gameplay mechanics in Postal.
No.2264
>>2057>in my game you go around killing everyone, its high art>in their game you go around killing everyone, its dumb No.2265
>>2098Soviets killed Polish people and said the Germans did it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre No.2266
No.2267
No.2268
>>2266Is that humor or an interesting game mechanic?
No.2269
>>2098I recommend you read Maus, it's a comic based on the author's dad telling the story of what he went through during WWII as a polish citizen.
No.2272
>>2263>Not remembering the Dude's one-liners>Not remembering people saying things like "Stop shooting ya sick bastard, I'm already dead!"Yeah, Postal was completely humourless…
No.2273
>>2272Humor provokes laughter and amusement.
No.2288
It'd be hilarious if the next Postal trailer to show up on Steam was a parody of the situation with Hatred, by mimicing the Hatred trailer.
No.2295
>>2288Dub dubs speaks the truth, this would be amazing.
No.2298
>>1653I just want new alien shooter, but with humans, graphics and other shit.
No.2302
I sure hope RWS is as fearless as they act and that this doesn't affect P1 Redux at all since Hatred was pretty much the poor man's P1
No.2303
>>2302Considering they are badmouthing Hatred and trying to pretend Postal was some sort of biting social commentary, don't get your hopes up.
No.2309
>>2273>Things have to be laugh out loud funny to be classed as humourAre you American?
No.2314
>It's back
based.
No.2316
Just a friendly reminder, those SJW fucks would have gotten Postal 2 removed if it came out today.
Let's all thank fuck it's back and hope for the best with the Postal 1 remake.
No.2317
>>2316Whoops, wrong image, here's part one of that.
No.2319
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=356532461It's back. That's an absolute relief, I'm glad for everyone involved.
No.2323
From what I've seen so far, I don't really like the main character. At least with Postal there was the demon and the dialogue. Here it's just "edgy metal-head looking guy goes on a killing spree." Or so it seems to me.
Not gonna buy it right when it comes out. I'll probably wait for some gameplay videos or something to make a decision. If it's actually good/enjoyable I'll probably give it a shot though.
No.2325
>>2323If it has actual destructible environments I'll buy it.
No.2330
>>2264Timmy, is that you?
No.2332
>>2042This is an excellent point that a lot of people seem to forget with respect to the question of whether games are art.
No.2341
No.2353
>>2341Since it's very Postal-esque and Postal-inspired, then sure. As long as it's isolated to one thread.
No.2356
>Created by Neo Nazis
>implying that's a bad thing
No.2638
>>1579Postal 1 if you gave it better graphics and replaced PD with Edge Lord who looks like Nathan Explosion. Really, it's pretty much just that, save changing whatever story Postal 1 had, making it more of a misanthropes crusade to kill and die in a blaze of glory.
No.2650
>>1653>Tfw I'm not the only guy that thinks it's Nathan ExplosionAyy
No.2659
>>2356It gets even better; none of them are Neo-Nazis.
>>1653RWS needs to step up their gaem, M rating won't cut it.
No.2677
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>>2098Well there was the Katyn massacre of Polish officers and intelligentsia at the hands of Soviet NKVD.
>Those who died at Katyn included an admiral, two generals, 24 colonels, 79 lieutenant colonels, 258 majors, 654 captains, 17 naval captains, 3,420 NCOs, seven chaplains, three landowners, a prince, 43 officials, 85 privates, 131 refugees, 20 university professors, 300 physicians; several hundred lawyers, engineers, and teachers; and more than 100 writers and journalists as well as about 200 pilots.And then after the war there was the immediate illegal occupation of Poland which lasted till they kicked their asses out in 1989.
But Polish resistance forces "lesni", etc, were fighting Soviet occupying forces in the never-ending struggle for an independent Poland up till about 1965 when one of the last partisans, an old man was ambushed and murdered by NKVD.
Communism and Nazism share equal hatred in Poland, which shows the lack of common sense and historical education when someone accuses these developers of being neo-nazis.
Also here's a favorite quote of mine that they wrote.
No.2686
I love the buttmad from the media, but honestly, the game looks like total shit. There's no real point to it other than "lol look how edgy we are guise".
It's great that they're exercising and pushing the boundaries of freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean they aren't attention whores.
No.2783
I think Postal 2: PL should throw a couple shout-outs and references to this game.
No.2803
>>1653>>2650That makes three of us!
No.2810
>>2042That's pretty true, hm, never thought about tat way before
No.2811
>>2783Yeah, or the Hatred dude, when we come up with a better name for him.
Speaking of which isn't that coming out soon?
No.2827
the thing is, if you were dumb and wanted to take the player's ability to kill out of Postal 2, you would still more or less have a game. not so much with hatred, it's just lazy shit