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i think reading news on my target laguages would help me to learn faster

i found that google offers a service or something like that with news and articles and that shit

could you recommend me some newspaper on this plataform?

do you know a better app for this?

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A regular RSS reader. Many sites have different feeds for different subjects, so you can subscribe only to the technology section or the Middle East news section for example.

Also get some podcasts and youtube channels if you're learning a non phonetic language.



isn't RSS just a email that tells you when there is a new post on a blog?


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They're just lists of the most recent articles/blog entries/news headlines/podcasts/et cetera on a website. Each item is usually a link plus a brief summary of the content, but it depends on the config of each feed. One advantage of RSS readers is they come in the form of stand-alone programs (some of them with an embedded browser so you can read all the stuff there), web apps, browser extensions, plugins for other programs, whatever you need.

I know people now read the news directly on Facebook and Google. I don't really know how that works, but I guess they trace all your actions and censor 3th party sites. That's another pro of RSS readers.

Some examples of feeds:

- News in French: https://www.voltairenet.org/spip.php?page=backend&id_secteur=1110&lang=fr

- A podcast in English: http://enterthevoid.fm/rss

- RSS of a board: https://8ch.net/dir/index.rss

Also the best way to learn fast is to read and listen to stuff that you're interested in, trying to cover as many subjects as you can and giving priority to what you need or want to learn first. Each topic has its own associated vocab, its own frequency list of words they're going to repeat over and over, which is key to memorization.






>do you know a better app for this?

Cosmopolite French:

-integrated RSS reader

-integrated dictionary

-integrated vocabulary list

-integrated flashcard generator

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I've heard everywhere that the only way to get fluent in a language is to talk to other people in that language, but I have social anxiety and am too scared to just start irl conversations with people. Are there any alternatives to real social interaction I could use?



Start by reading, then chatting on the internet, then talking to people in person (or videochat). When I had social anxiety in my teens, I found it easier to talk to people older than me, as I felt they didn't judge me for my appearance.


>I've heard everywhere that the only way to get fluent in a language is to talk to other people in that language,

Early production is bad and potentially dangerous since it might trigger and reinforce bad habits that are not that easily to get rid off later. Your output is a function of your input which means lack of input will result in you trying to construct incorrect and even more so inauthentic sentences. So shut the fuck up until you haven't consumed a lot of input before trying production.

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It's time for a LxL thread.
Say what language(s) do you speak natively and what language(s) are you trying to learn. Connect with someone (either in-thread of outside of it) and conversate, exchange tips, whatever you need.

OP: Native spanish, CAE certificate, looking to learn asian languages.
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You're probably right, stricter deadlines are what I need. Currently I'm just too busy with other stuff but will try to apply this method as soon as I have the time. One problem is that it's hard to accurately plan stuff like the example you mention; I wouldn't be able to estimate how long I actually need to study before I can read War and Peace. Of course I could still use it as a guideline anyway but it's a bit frustrating if you never actually manage to reach your deadlines.


Native English and Spanish speaker

Trying to learn Japanese, and eventually German


Native English speaker. Speak German fluently. I study Spanish and French also. I am kind of sad because my French friend said "anon, why must you always murder my language?".


أعرف إنجليزي و إسبرانتو. أتعلم عربي.


Paraguayan here; I can understand Guaraní but I'm not good with the speaking/writing part.

Also Spanish ofc.

Wanting to learn japanese, chinese, russian, kraut, some middle eastern one, kraut, it's a work of a lifetime but yeah.


Why does the Tibetan language look so badass? ༒ངོམ་ཁལ་ཝང་


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Tibet is badass af

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Why did you pick the language(s) you're studying?
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learning german for multiple reasons:

1) i took two years of it in highschool and one semester in college

2) i like the way german uses compound words and forms new ones on the fly

3) i wanna read 'mein kampf' in the original

4) i like the way it sounds

also learning ancient greek, specifically the attic dialect. i've been interested in the poets ever since i read 'prometheus bound', i love ancient greek culture, and eastern roman empire is best roman empire.

i'm also interested in mongolian for some odd reason, but i'm not currently studying it.



>i wanna read 'mein kampf' in the original

dumb reason

>i love ancient greek culture, and eastern roman empire is best roman empire.

Ancient Greece =/ ERE

I fear for you


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Japanese because it's kawaii as fug, spoken in one of the best countries in the world, is phonologically pretty similar to Finnish (but infinitely cuter), I love a lot of Japanese music and films, etc. My addiction to Japanese porn may also be a factor.

Turkish because it's interesting and helpful in learning other Turkic languages, which I'm more interested in. It has quite a lot in common with Finnish, too, so that's nice, although I can't help but occasionally instinctionally mix up the possessives thanks to them being the same as Finnish (although with more variation thanks to more extensive vowel harmony) but used for different persons (eg. "-ni" is the first person possessive suffix in Finnish but second person in Turkish). Its phonology is pretty cute, too.

Kazakh because it's awesome. Its alphabet is also the best of all the Cyrillic alphabets, easily one of the top ten writing systems of any language. On top of that, it has /q/ and /ʁ/, sounds ugly and cute at the same time, and the country is really interesting and it's amazing how practically one man kept it from becoming a total shithole like most post-Soviet cunts. I also like the fact that it's arguably the most moderate/progressive Muslim-majority country in the world, being proof that Islam isn't inherently violent even if it has contributed at times to Kazakhs being violent in the past… but at least they were mostly violent against Russians trying to Russify them, and are still today, so that's a plus because I don't really like Russians who start trying to Russify non-Russians.

Uzbek mostly because of boiler memes tbh, but its significant loss of vowel harmony and the Persian influence are also interesting.

Mongolian because it's fucking awesome. Everything about Mongolia seems really cool, and they've remained Buddhist despite many of their neighbours converting to Islam, Orthodoxy, gommunism, etc. I don't know much about Tengrism, but it's pretty fucking interesting as well, and there seems to be a resurgence among both Mongols and Kazakhs, as well as others. They also use Cyrillic with my favourite letters, Өө and Үү, and the language is phonologically and grammatically quite similar to Finnish (with a more complePost too long. Click here to view the full text.


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Arabic because I had a phase during which I considered whether Islam was a religion worth converting to; at the time I was really uncertain about anything except that God exists, and I had an irrational hatred for the concept of "spiritual but not religious". I still don't like that label, since I'm not really that spiritual either… more like "non-religious with a side of spirituo-philosophical syncretism between Abrahamic religions and Buddhism" or something, but that's a ridiculous label too. I'm also interested in Arabic because it's a Semitic language and those are weird, plus it's the one with the most resources available. So even if I was more interested in Assyrian or something, I'd still have to learn a little bit of Arabic to grasp all the uniquely Semitic features. It has a lot of cool words, though, and even though I generally dislike its phonology, it's still interesting.

Persian because it has a lot of loanwords and other influence from Arabic, is Indo-European but not spoken in Europe, has also been influenced by Turkic languages and has in turn influenced all the Turkic languages to varying degrees, and some unknown ancient relative of it influenced the Uralic languages as well. It also has the cool vowel /ɒː/, like Hungarian (although it's long unlike the Hungarian /ɒ/, making it even better). A lot of its vocabulary sounds pretty badass, the grammar is fairly simple, etc. I'm mostly interested in its vocabulary, though, and the ways in which it has been influential to other languages, and have no intention of even trying to ever become fluent in it. I also like some Iranian music, so understanding the lyrics would be nice; for now I'm stuck at the phase where I can't tell where word boundaries are, which makes it really hard to understand anything and has already made me severely misunderstand certain songs.

Hungarian… well, I'm not into it at the moment and have never fully focused on it, but it is a relative of Finnish and infinitely superior to the retarded little brother of Finnish that Estonian is. Its inflections are fucking insane, something I really appreciate even if it's painful to even try to begin to learn anything. It has the awesome letters Őő and Űű. On top of that, it has /c͡ç/ and /ɟ͡ʝ/, the former being a supercute sound. Some of the Sami languages also have themPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



I know all the Turkic languages you've listed. I can comprehend Bashkir but not speak properly. I can speak/read/write/listen all the other Turkic languages you've listed. I can help you if you want.

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ⵢⵍⵍⴰⵏ ⴷ ⵉⵎⴰⵣⵉⵖⵏ ⴷⴰⴳⵢ ?

are there berbers around ?

what do you think of the state of the language currently in our nations and does it have any chance of going back to the surface as a main language locally ?

other anons, what do you know about tamazight and do you have any questions about it ?

learning material for this language are limited, but I can assist you finding some sources if you're interested





Is it true that this is the closest language to what was spoken in Atlantis? Serious question, I read in a book that the amazigh believe they're descendants of Atlantis. Anyway I'm sorry that you're being persecuted by the arabs. If you want your language to be relevant again, I'd suggest that you have lots of children. Demographics is everything.



>taking the atlantis meme seriously

it was supposed to be a metaphor ffs


also OP fyi: czech language was in a similar state; after being rekt in 1620 during early stages of 30 years' war already czech language was barely written until about 1800 and considered a dying peasant language.

the main option for a reversal in this is if middle east / north africa goes through romantic nationalism like europe did during 19th century

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Has anyone ever done a linguistic analysis of Spurdospeak?

I know in Finnish it was originally meant to represent Jonnehood, hence the deliberate typos, but it took evolution of its own once it spread into Anglophone internet culture.

Interestingly, even though there are no written rules I'm aware of, there's a distinct Spurdoness that is unmistakeable, and this makes me think it could be analysed as a dialect (or slang, if you wish) of written English.

For example, where does voicing of stops occur? What about <Ä>, does it always correspond to /æ/ in English, or it there any more complex rule behind it? What about consonant cluster reductions, how do they work? Does the number of <D>s after a <:> (which functions similar to punctuation marks in written English) infer anything, or is it completely arbitrary

If anyone is interested in working on this, first we'll need a huge corpus of Spurdo Spärde pictures, so we have something to analyse. /realbenis/, which functioned through wordfilters, could be used as a rough reference, but I believe it over-simplified some of the rules.

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>>2277 Dzeggd

I forgot to add that some words have their letters reordered or lost.

Benis > Bneis Beins

Bagina > Baigna Bagna



Also, short and long vowels are contrasted more.



Rally English is the best English.



Also, words that start with s followed by a vowel, get a t added in front of them.

Street sdreed

Singing Tsinging

Sometimes f's turn into v's


pretty cool how we all know it and can speak it on demand yet there is such difficulty in defining it.


>how do we fine define justice?

>its just a meme bro calm down

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So, how many languages do you speak fluently, and what are they?

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>Germany gave us Nietzsche

ironic that half of his works consist of bashing every aspect of German culture



Nietzsche is probably the most misunderstood philosopher of all time tbqh



True, but I always felt he also bears some responsibility for this. The way he wrote about concepts such as race and weakness without the necessary clarification was basically begging to be misinterpreted.


Fluent in portuguese, english, and spanish.

Know a little bit of french.

Know some words of russian and mandarin


berber, arabic, French , English

have half assed German as part of my studies

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I'd thought I'd start a discussing the many languages of Europe. Plus just spreading knowledge of the fact of the existence.

I'll even start with a controversial fact:

France is the only country in Europe today to still commit Linguicide. Many languages of France are banned, even in privet situations. In 2001 a Breton TV station wanted to be created in which shows would be dubbed & subbed into Breton. Paris was furious and banned the station. Saying that French is the only language allowed to be dubbed in and the Breton cannot do that with Breton because they are "French".

Imagine if that happened today with the Welsh in the UK. It wouldn't be tolerated by the world that the British Government was doing such acts.

But France has gotten away with it. Breton and other languages such as Occitan are dying, fast. They won't be around in a few generations.

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If you want the inside view of a regular French, I had no idea such things were happening. I'm in the Région Centre so there is no regional dialect (that I know of ?) and, to add to the irony of what you say, the only things I ever saw at the tv from the most watched news (that I barely watch now, so may date a bit) were these primary schools who made children learn their regional dialect, like in Alsace. So they may be changing their policies or lying :^)

And by the way, please don't cite Le Pen to represent us, she's the right right wing, the racist one (at least the most).

Thanks for reading, and maybe it's not worth saying but I'm not a common user of this board.



>Le Pen

>not socialist af

uhh I guess this isn't the place to discuss this so polite sage would be in order, but thread is on top anyway



>literal nazis




FN aren't literal nazis, under Jean Marie they were basically fascist but not really anymore thanks to Marine

They are more socialist than Macron and the Republicans though, this is France remember

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What's your opinion on Anglish?

Would you participate in an effort to standardize it?

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Anglish sounds fucking retarded.



That's Argentina for you.


Me gustaría interrumpirle un momento. Aquello a lo que te refieres como Linux, es en realidad, GNU/Linux, o como he comenzado a llamarlo recientemente, GNU mas Linux. Linux no es un sistema operativo por si solo, sino más bien otro componente libre de un sistema GNU completamente funcional, hecho útil por las librerías GNU, utilidades de consola y componentes vitales del sistema, construyendo un SO completo como está definido por POSIX. Muchos usuarios de computadores corren una versión modificada del sistema GNU día a día, sin notarlo. Debido a una peculiar secuencia de eventos, la versión de GNU que es ampliamente usada hoy en día es comúnmente denominada "Linux", y muchos de sus usuarios no están al tanto de que básicamente se trata del sistema GNU, desarrollado por el Proyecto GNU.

Es cierto que hay un Linux, y estas personas lo usan, pero es solo una parte del sistema que utilizan. Linux es el núcleo: el programa que asigna los recursos de la máquina a los otros programas que ejecutas. El núcleo es una parte esencial de un sistema operativo, pero es inútil por si solo; solo funciona en el contexto de un sistema operativo completo. Linux es normalmente utilizado en combinación con el sistema operativo GNU: todo el sistema es básicamente GNU con Linux añadido, o GNU/Linux. ¡Todas las así llamadas "distribuciones de Linux" son en realidad distribuciones de GNU/Linux!


> from argentina

> interested in anglish

hey uh mossad you missed one


This sounds really fun and a good way to learn new words.

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Ever since most pages have 404'd, I still can't seem to access it and archive sites are not working. Will it ever be fixed?



Board pages became broken after the last server crash. I have no idea how to fix them to be honest.

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You may believe that you have forgotten the Chinese you spoke as a child, but your brain hasn’t. Moreover, that “forgotten” first language may well influence what goes on in your brain when you speak English or French today.

In a paper published today in Nature Communications, researchers from McGill University and the Montreal Neurological Institute describe their discovery that even brief, early exposure to a language influences how the brain processes sounds from a second language later in life. Even when the first language learned is no longer spoken.


Great, now nobody will hire foreigns.

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I find funny how different languages have very creative ways of being unrespectful or rude. So let's have a thread with this dark jewels of our native or target languages. Please add (for added hilarity) literal translations and it's equivalent in as many languages as you can.

該死的(gai si de)
Literally "should die" is the equivalent of "Damn it!" in English or "Puta madre!" in (Argentinian) Spanish.

蕩婦(dang fu)
Literally "lustful woman", equivalent of "Slut" in English or "Puta" in Spanish.

你媽的(ni ma de)
Literally "your mother's". I don't know it's equivalent in English but in some places of Argentina almost the same expression is used "A tu madre!". It's obviously an (unspecified) insult to the mother of the other person.
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It's written caca and said kaka, not sasa



I like ð, it looks like a 💣 about to explode.


Conlang fag here.

Just thought I'd share some assorted slurs from my conlang Lingugiz Nova.

Fuzhiri heyel -

Fucking hell, self explanatory

Zut deov damaei al -

Damn you, literally translated "May God damn you"

Fuzhirihe al -

Fuck you

Madijuzhe uni valij -

Eat a cock.


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any Bosnian speakers know swear words?

video totally related.



does Kyrgyzstan have it's own language or several?

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So I spent the day browsing through a Russian-English dictionary, and have come to realize learning Russian is so fucking easy. Except for the cursive handwriting, which is screwed up.

Prefixes and suffixes are helpful.

What I'd really like to get my hands on is a text file of all russian words and let my computer skills do the work decyphering it for the lulz.

I'm not sure if it is the dictionary I'm using or a specific dialect they are examining but this book seems to use the accute accent marke over alot of vowels, and I'm not talking about "ё" and "й" but а, е, и, о, у, ю, я where I see a lot of а е и о у ю я.

This dictionary is about 20 years old. Clinton was president when it was published but no computer or technology terms seemed to made it to print.
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well I assume it was actually unintentional, more like Finns starting to do Finnic shit in Russian, it was just regularised later


it is definitely one of the easiest languages to learn, the alphabet just drives me up a wall that's all there is to it.




the alphabet is like the only really easy part




I'm actually starting to suspect they're just LARPing because I've done Russian and I'm the same as you, the alphabet is the easiest part. It's only people who haven't studied Russian who think it's the hardest part.

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