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4. 死なないでください

OP as it was on the 17th of June 2018

Since the previous BO hadn't logged in for months, I went ahead and claimed the board. If that bothers you, feel free to complain in this thread.

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>bans will be public

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EDIT on the 4th of December 2018:

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objection: you don't want to wait to remove cancer; doing it asap is better

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does one exist that translates full sentences?

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because you're experts, I assume


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Thats for single words not sentences


No. It would be so bad it wouldn't be worth it.

Classical languages are attested over time across many dialects. The orthography and grammar used will vary from manuscript to manuscript precluding the use of algorithmic translation into English. You could translate English into unnatural Old English (9th Century West Saxon) but the opposite is virtually impossible.

inb4... Latin, Ancient Greek, Classical Hebrew and Classical Arabic aren't really dead languages, they're just not first languages. They all have a standard constructed form that has been in unbroken continuous use since a point in history. Their early forms suffer from the same problems as Old English. It's only because of neo-Latin and Catholic grammarians that Google can translate into Latin.



it shouldn't be that hard to work with the grammar, it's pretty standard stuff for an IE language

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How long do you think would it take learning Aramaic?

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Why are you learning Hebrew? Do you want to read the Tanakh?



Yes, and because I'd like to study Ancient Near Eastern cultures in the future. Also to swindle the גוים.


Fluent reader here.

Honestly, best to start with Hebrew. The two languages are very close, but there is a shit ton of materials to learn Hebrew, but very few to learn Aramaic.

From scratch, will take 2 or 3 years to be able to read the New Testament in Aramaic I think, but depends on dedication and talent.

One thing: to learn the real pronunciation, you'll have to learn a bit of Arabic, because only arabs pronounce most of the consonants correctly. Don't learn the shitty ashkenazi accent, it's ridiculous.

By the way, they dubbed the "Jesus Film" (1979 i think) in Classical Syriac, with native speakers (of modern dialects, but reading old syriac).

Try that also:


It's hours of syriac prayers with the text in PDF.


just learn a bunch of more useful semitic languages and then aramaic will just come passively



gang gang

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I want to study a semitic language because of their uniqueness, but I can't decide between Arabic and Hebrew. Arabic is more widely used, but Hebrew seems easier to read, write, and speak and has the added bonus of being the only dead language to ever be revived. what does /lang/ think?
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lol you're going to be so disappointed when you learn all that shit uses English in board rooms almost entirely full of goys, and all anyone does in Hebrew is make bad music and navel gaze



even the Israeli elite uses English; that's the key to international business because English speakers rule the world. only job Hebrew gets you outside Israel is teaching Hebrew.



> only job Hebrew gets you outside Israel is teaching Hebrew.

or summer camp counselor for petty bourgeois Jews.



it's actually aliens who rule the world; you need to learn klingon



good luck finding materials

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I'd thought I'd start a discussing the many languages of Europe. Plus just spreading knowledge of the fact of the existence.

I'll even start with a controversial fact:

France is the only country in Europe today to still commit Linguicide. Many languages of France are banned, even in privet situations. In 2001 a Breton TV station wanted to be created in which shows would be dubbed & subbed into Breton. Paris was furious and banned the station. Saying that French is the only language allowed to be dubbed in and the Breton cannot do that with Breton because they are "French".

Imagine if that happened today with the Welsh in the UK. It wouldn't be tolerated by the world that the British Government was doing such acts.

But France has gotten away with it. Breton and other languages such as Occitan are dying, fast. They won't be around in a few generations.

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Most political terminology has become obsolete in practice nowadays. It'd be better to use various spectra and come up with new terms for the logical (and illogical) trait combos, but that won't happen anytime soon since the old terms are too convenient even if they're confusing and contradictory in many cases... but them being confusing and contradictory is exactly why they're so convenient to politicians themselves, most notably among the alt-right and SJWs. They literally want the same things in most cases if you start thinking about how their goals could be realised in practice, yet they larp as polar opposites because they can endlessly circlejerk over imprecise terminology. Of course, much of said terminology was imprecise to begin with, like "socialist" being something both Stalin and Hitler claimed to be, etc. but it's all gotten even muddier with time and I honestly don't see the point in using most of the common terms without explicitly defining them every time and even then you'd still have to explain your specific views on certain things if they differ from the stereotypical standard...

I feel like /lang/ could come up with autistically precise terminology for various ideologies based on spectra if we worked together. Whether it would be worth it is another matter...



Here is a very clear and accessible article on the difference between socialism and right-wing populism: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/23/trump-boris-johnson-rightwing-populists

Hope this helps



It's like Ireland. Census give 80%+ people listing Belarusian as native language, yet they don't speak it if younger than ~50 years or so, outside of schools or some cultural festivals.

They don't speak Russian proper too, anyway. Belarusian phonetics and 'weird' words thrown in cause much confusion for visiting Muscovites (my wife and her relatives still don't understand half of what my family members say to them, lol). If they ever heard proper Belarusian, not some intermediary dialect, they'd mistake it for Polish or Lithuanian or anything. So kinda like Irish English.

Thing is, speaking proper Russian was prestigious in the late USSR, and as the state is still a soviet dictatorship run by 60+ yers sovoks, both local authoritarians and immigrant Ryssa scum care to demonstrate their Russian-ness as a badge of honor.

Even though Luka himself couldn't speak proper Russian until mid-00s I believe. There was that incident when he tried to say in Russian "I regularly scrutinize my parliament members and know who can lie to me and who can't" but with Belarusian phonetics it turned into literally "I regularly fuck the parliament and know who allows me mouthfucking and who doesn't".



Who the fuck cares bout your opinions. We here sure don't. Belarus and Belarusians are a fact, deal with it.


Should note: Livonian is a dead language now, pretty recently actually, in 2013.

Võro is alive and well, however. That map also lacks the Seto language, which is closely related to Võro but not quite the same and is notable regardless.


>Also, parts of Estonia in the east are like 100% Russian

Not quite, there are areas with large Russian majority populations but I don't know of basically anywhere that is 100% Russian. The only really notable Russian majority place in Estonia is Narva, which is quite a large city with an almost 90% Russian population.


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dutch is a hilarious language

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Does this board support the learning and/or the construction of fictional or artificial languages?
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It's alright, he >>1998 clearly didn't understand what you said


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>all these a posteriori conlangs

revolting desu



It's more an assemblage than a construction. It's a snapshot of various aspects of different dialects at various points in time. That's not particularly close to what people are talking about with modern Hebrew, Esperanto or Interlingua.



This tbh. A good a posteriori language is one that diverges from the source language(s) so much or in unique enough ways that it's not immediately recognisable or classifiable as an obvious a posteriori language.


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I only learn free-range gluten-free languages free of GMOs and chemicals, maaaaan

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Hey, /lang/;

Have you accepted Luciano Canepari as your lord and saviour?


I dont belive in any gods


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The Dictionary is my God.



have you heard of vape chugging?

its like beer butt chugging but you tend to blow smoke out of your ass.


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canIPA is the eighth cardinal sin

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I started studying Latin a couple days ago. Now I'm wondering who else here knows some or wants to
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Been studying Latin for a week now two hours a day using weelock's latin (which is kinda dull) and the almighty LINGVA LATINA PER SE ILLVSTRATA. Will recommend the second one because it's awesome!

It's a collection of texts in Latin without any introduction to the language, explanation of grammar and translations. It begins with easy and intuitive texts like "Italia in Europa est. Germania in Europa est. Italia et Germania in Europa sunt" but it gets harder (see the pic). Obviously you should learn how to pronounce Latin properly before trying to read.



>complecti = cingere

I guess it's based on Italian, doesn't it make too many assumptions on what's intuitive? Assuming you don't speak Italian of course.



Cingere is a latin word too.

in that case it's saying Complecti (also a latin word) is similar to cingere.

I haven't read too much of the book, but it's supposed to be entirely in latin, with explanations and stuff on the sidebar (that are in latin too).




I'm really enjoying this so far


estne haec pars siti morta?

sit iucundus si apud nos aliquando latine loqui possimus, socii, de quibuslibet rebus

per unum annum circiter latinam discens sum, sed nunc, quod ad finem universitatis sum, parum eam studere possum

nuper legebam ipse librum de lingua latina per se illustrata usque ad capitulum in quo ille servus, a suo domino romano fugitus, cum puella sua per mare inferum navigabant et ea ei de deo cristianis loquebatur postquam navis eorum prope mersa erat, librum optimum esse puto, marcus puer improbus at iucundissimus est

si Anki utimini, vobis monere possum de his quattuor fasciculis(decks), nomina:

1. DCC Core Latin Complete

2. Lingua Latina

3. Medieaval Latin

4. Wheelock's Latin - Complete vocabulary

pax vobiscum amici

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What have you done to practice your target language today?
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went buy some groceries :^)


memrise as always



>bumping a 10 year old thread


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Changed what my target language even is

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I'm a french student and I wish to learn english.

I recently buy a book, in english, to try to learn by reading and translate with internet when it's necessary. But it's not easy to still concentred when you will stop your reading to search a word, and it make the story hard to follow and it makes the book boring (I've never read this book before)

Now, I try to play video games in english but I meet the same problem than above.

How can I learn english without be bored and withn't much money ?

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What kind of words do you struggle with most? I mean, are they basic vocabulary or specialised technical terms? If the latter, then you don't really have to worry much; even most native speakers would struggle with a lot of those. If you have to look up simple words like "slithering", "elbow" or "doll", though, you should just keep doing what you're doing; the only way to learn a word is to find out what it means, and these days that's usually done online... especially if you can't ask a native speaker in person.

Anyway, I personally struggle with even the most basic words in every language except Finnish and English (and even in them sometimes because my brain is shit), so I may not be the best person to give you advice on memorisation.


This, but beware that idioms, jokes and set expressions of various kinds are commonly replaced with equivalents rather than translated literally.



Can you have french subtitles in the game? Then you could hear the word while seeing the translation


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anyway, learning any language will require patience and time and it WILL be boring at times.



Watch English movies/shows with English subtitles. A lot of input is good.


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swallow this:

Mesa girgumgise da homeless woman how no? mesa bunghen a food moderador's fadher oud a ghin

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The land where Celts lived & where Celtic languages were spoken.

And where they remain today.

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>in that case entire France and northern Italy and Switzerland and Austria are Celtic as well

They were fucking retard. Even Galatia in Greece was Celtic, hence the name...

Found the retarded anglo-mutt



Why can't anyone upload dubbed content in Irish somewhere? Fucking tg4 is blocked outside Ireland, even with VPNs.

Desperately looking for the Irish dub of South Park.



Celtiberian is directly attested in writing and has a small corpus of three texts and several essentially illegible ostraca.

Celtiberian "Q-Celtic" is not closely related to Breton or any of the insular languages for that matter. It's apparently closest to the Lepontic Celtic language but the spelling is so irregular and the corpus so small, it's been hard to place it with certainty.


>asturian WEWUZ


pretty much they ruled most of Europe for ages.

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What's the next little logical language to learn?




Limburgish? It's transitional between German and Dutch, so by learning it you could impress both your German and Dutch friends. Or just go straight for Dutch. Yiddish is also an option, or even Danish if you're into vikings and shit and/or want to learn Norwegian and/or Swedish in the future.


...or are you asking for a logical language with few speakers that you should learn? Then I'd say Finnish not even shilling :DDD because it's much more logical than German and has less than a tenth of the speakers that German has, and on top of that it's not even Indo-European. However, a huge chunk of the vocabulary would seem familiar as we have literally thousands of loanwords from Swedish (and more recently English) in addition to ancient loanwords from various IE languages. The syntax is SAE to the core, it has the smallest number of phonemes in all of Europe and is regular as fuck. The informal spoken language would at times not even be mutually intelligible with the formal written language to someone who only learned the formal written language (or vice versa), and there are lots of dialects that aren't always fully mutually intelligible with other dialects.



Well I figured French would be good since I want to transition into romance languages but I'll give your ideas a shot



Well, if you want to get into Romance langauges, then you're right that French would probably be the best choice. AFAIK it has some features in common with German that aren't SAE but maybe something like "EU headquarters language area", too. And of course, knowing French would give you access to obscure Québécois and Congolese memes, which you could share with the rest of us to trigger the smug Québécois and/or Congolese memers who'd never share their memes with outsiders.

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So I spent the day browsing through a Russian-English dictionary, and have come to realize learning Russian is so fucking easy. Except for the cursive handwriting, which is screwed up.

Prefixes and suffixes are helpful.

What I'd really like to get my hands on is a text file of all russian words and let my computer skills do the work decyphering it for the lulz.

I'm not sure if it is the dictionary I'm using or a specific dialect they are examining but this book seems to use the accute accent marke over alot of vowels, and I'm not talking about "ё" and "й" but а, е, и, о, у, ю, я where I see a lot of а е и о у ю я.

This dictionary is about 20 years old. Clinton was president when it was published but no computer or technology terms seemed to made it to print.
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I'm actually starting to suspect they're just LARPing because I've done Russian and I'm the same as you, the alphabet is the easiest part. It's only people who haven't studied Russian who think it's the hardest part.



I am not sure if it is easy.

By the way, 'ё' is like Yo!, and there is a tendency replacing it with 'e' since it is quite obvious, where to pronounce 'ye' and 'yo'

'й' is like consonant sound of 'u', the beginning of sound.


sh (like in shell) is ш.

Шалом (Shalom) for example.

ch (iike in channel) is ч.

Чугун (cast iron)

And щ is like in shit, where sh- is pronounced softly. Imagine some beaner pronouncing shit.

And russian is too difficult for other speakers, since it has too many words that just don't follow rules.

And many words have just too many conjunctions, like spanish, but worse, since there is really no order, that can be described in 3-4 rules.



I'm surprised nobody posted this before



Teacher of Russian for foreigners itt, ask you questions.

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I tried a couple of units of Duolingo, but I can't get my head round the sentence structure. Especially with their "No Grammar" policy. It doesn't really work outside of Romance Languages.

I'll give your book a read OP. It looks like a better thing to dive into.


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Being I'm Irish. It's hard as shit. No wonder it got usurped. Although I would be interested in learning it though

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