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Discuss the strange phenomenon of speaking in tongues ITT. Some questions I've always had:

>why does it often sound similar regardless of the speaker's native language?

>almost like a mix of Hebrew, Sanskrit and Greek or something

>heavy in /ʃ/, /r/ and /k/

>the most common vowel by far seems to be /a/

>syllables are generally CV

For example, I've heard the exact same phrase /ʃikaramaʃakarama/ in at least American, Finnish and Kenyan glossolalia. A Brazilian posted a webm on /int/ of a Christian politician(?) who spoke in tongues at some parts, and it had a lot of words that are similar to that as well. Is it some /x/ tier stuff (as in, glossolalia is real) or is there a more mundane explanation for the similarities that abound regardless of the speaker's native language and culture? I mean, the only thing they all have in common is that they're Christians...

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I want to study a semitic language because of their uniqueness, but I can't decide between Arabic and Hebrew. Arabic is more widely used, but Hebrew seems easier to read, write, and speak and has the added bonus of being the only dead language to ever be revived. what does /lang/ think?
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Im a Haredi Jewish. Learn Arabic or Aramaic, modern Hebrew simply is not a Semitic language, its sentence structure and basic grammar is closer to Russian. It should really be thought of as 'Israeli' rather than Hebrew


Arabic may seem like a logical choice, as many pointed out, but....

Depends on what you want to do: read, watch media, talk?

The main problem with Arabic is the dialects: almost nobody speak standard arabic in their daily lives, and the dialects are very different ...

Second problem is that they really produce few quality content to practice: books are all about islam ... movies are shit, music uses dialects ...

If you are christian, definitely choose hebrew: at least you can read the Bible. Even if they treat the goyim like shit in israel, and they are generally very shitty people, they still produce content far superior to the arabic ones: series/movies/music, and there is few difference between the modern language and the old one.



How the fuck did I never see this thread before? If you're still here, OP, give us an update!

For me, reading Arabic is much easier because some Hebrew letters just look too similar to each other. It also looks cooler, sounds cooler and would make interaction with Arab immigrants easier. Well, I personally am a NEET so I don't interact with anyone, but... Hebrew, on the other hand, is probably easier when it comes to grammar and gives you edgy points because of how Israel treats Palestinians.

Disclaimer: my level in Arabic is that of a literal newborn (or worse) and I've never tried to actually learn Hebrew.



I'm (self-) studying Modern Hebrew. I think Modern Hebrew is way more important. Modern Hebrew is the language of millionaires and billionaires, and lots of think tanks and other groups. Intel Corporation and now even AMD are in Israel. They aren't in any Arab countries, of course. There is no "Arab Spring". None of them are flowering, but Israel is.

My purpose in learning Modern Hebrew is to assist in assessing the strategies and tactics of the thousands of shills and other political operatives who manipulate the public discourse in America (Russian is another important language - most "Russian shills" are Israeli nationals. Russian is the 1st language of a sizable chunk of Israelis).





>LAs an Israeli, while I would be honored that you would choose my language, I think you should learn Arabic.



Post how your language has changed over time.

Old english

On anȝynne ȝesceop Ȝod heofenan and eorðan. 2 Seo eorðe soðlice ƿæs idel ond æmti, ond þeostra ƿæron ofer ðære nyƿelnysse bradnysse; ond Ȝodes ȝast ƿæs ȝeferod ofer ƿæteru.

Middle english

1 In the bigynnyng God made of nouyt heuene and erthe.

2 Forsothe the erthe was idel and voide, and derknessis weren on the face of depthe; and the Spiryt of the Lord was borun on the watris.

early modern english

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

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>sum man


Germans confirmed for niggers of European High Middle Ages.



I saw that too


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>negros culturally enriched Italy that long ago

I always knew Italians had Black blood running through their veins.


cool thread


>tfw I can easily read "El ingenioso hidalgo Don Quixote de la mancha" in its original text without much difficulty, just a tiny few words are different from modern Spanish

Feels good, man.

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So I spent the day browsing through a Russian-English dictionary, and have come to realize learning Russian is so fucking easy. Except for the cursive handwriting, which is screwed up.

Prefixes and suffixes are helpful.

What I'd really like to get my hands on is a text file of all russian words and let my computer skills do the work decyphering it for the lulz.

I'm not sure if it is the dictionary I'm using or a specific dialect they are examining but this book seems to use the accute accent marke over alot of vowels, and I'm not talking about "ё" and "й" but а, е, и, о, у, ю, я where I see a lot of а е и о у ю я.

This dictionary is about 20 years old. Clinton was president when it was published but no computer or technology terms seemed to made it to print.
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the alphabet is like the only really easy part




I'm actually starting to suspect they're just LARPing because I've done Russian and I'm the same as you, the alphabet is the easiest part. It's only people who haven't studied Russian who think it's the hardest part.



I am not sure if it is easy.

By the way, 'ё' is like Yo!, and there is a tendency replacing it with 'e' since it is quite obvious, where to pronounce 'ye' and 'yo'

'й' is like consonant sound of 'u', the beginning of sound.


sh (like in shell) is ш.

Шалом (Shalom) for example.

ch (iike in channel) is ч.

Чугун (cast iron)

And щ is like in shit, where sh- is pronounced softly. Imagine some beaner pronouncing shit.

And russian is too difficult for other speakers, since it has too many words that just don't follow rules.

And many words have just too many conjunctions, like spanish, but worse, since there is really no order, that can be described in 3-4 rules.



I'm surprised nobody posted this before


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Hey let's have a thread for this.

Basically everything is welcome;

false cognates (words in different languages that look like they could easily be cognates, but knowing the actual etymology tells you they aren't)

distant cognates (I'm saying distant because the interesting part here is where a word travels to the other side of the continent)

false friends (words that are either homophones or close homophones in two languages, but have wildly different meanings — but sometimes they may be true cognates and differ in meaning due to semantic drift)

pic related, cognates like that (or fucking ananas) aren't interesting and therefore not welcome

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>Chuvash through Turkic intermediaries

I know you know this and just worded that in a strange way, but for those who may not know: Chuvash is Turkic.

>the Cultural Studies cunts that rule the henhouse let him publish anyway.

Everyone should be allowed to publish whatever they want. I get that this may be an "egdy contrarian" position when it comes to linguistics (and I used to argue against it myself), but the crackpots need to be criticised in a credible context. The only way to do that is to let them publish their shit in a credible context, and then tear it to pieces; if you don't let their shit be published, they'll only accuse you of exclusion, jerking off to the status quo, etc. and actually kinda have a point. If you let them publish their shit and tear it apart afterwards like you'd tear apart any bullshit, they'll have no excuse and even the wider public may see that their accusations of being excluded are baseless and that in many cases they're no different from flat earthers, etc.


>multikulti idiot

Is he, though? I know nothing about the guy you're referring to, but naturally Germanic peoples (and their languages) have been influenced by every people and language they came in contact with. Icelandic has had contact with Basque (but I don't think there has been any research into whether the latter influenced the former, probably mainly because the Basques also spoke a pidgin; still, it presumably had some minor influence on it), so is the idea of Germanic languages having words from Turkic languages really that absurd and "reee SJW" tier?

That's not to say that it was Chuvash in any case, but Hunnic could certainly have given its fair share of loanwords to pretty much all the languages of Europe. And no, I'm not saying this word is one of them; it makes no sense, really, but that's not to say any claims of Turkic loanwords in Germanic languages are any kind of, especially "multikulti", agenda-pushing. It could even be the exact opposite. It could be the absurd idea that the Huns werPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



And I mean, even in that clip it was actually not a Nazi swastika. It was literally as non-Nazi as a swastika could be...

>straight (not tilted)

>purple (not the Nazis' favourite colour)

>no circular background

...but maybe that was the point and it was actually deeper than "lmfao we're making Nazi jokes now". Maybe it was top tier social commentary about Nazi paranoia that went over the intended audience's heads (or did it?). Or maybe I'm thinking too deep into this.



Chuvash is Ughur Turkic. All the other extant languages are Oghuz. The binary division exists because there's a rhotic sound change from s->r in Chuvash. Sibilants are in fact the second most common cause of rhotic consonants in diachronic typological perspective. They first kind of rhoticism is from intervocalic dental plosives. The word *Oghus means clan or tribe. The Oghur Turks are more westerly than the Oghuz Turks who migrated to Europe with the Seljluks (Turks, Turkmens, Azeris) and Golden Horde (Tartars, Kipchaks). They are presumed to have overtook the remnant Oghurs: Chuvash, Huns, Volga Bulgars and Old Bulgars.

The oldest attested Turkic languages are all Oghuz and the most archaic have been found in Outer Mongolia. Because the Swadesh correspondence statistic between Chuvash and Oghuz is so low, there is no way the family is younger than Germanic (Oghur Turkic or "Common Turkic" is younger than Germanic however). Thus any Germanic borrowings into Turkic must occur after the Proto-Turkic stage into individual branches of Turkic. No exceptions. For this reason, the Turkish and Chuvash words cannot be cognate reflexes of a Germanic word like the German suggested above. Adam Hyllested's multikulti theory is the inversion of this with the original word supposedly being Turkic rather than Germanic.

> If you let them publish their shit and tear it apart afterwards like you'd tear apart any bullshit, they'll have no excuse and even the wider public may see that their accusations of being excluded are baseless and that in many cases they're no different from flat earthers, etc.

If not asking for censorship. I just find it annoying when bullshiters play fast and loose with the methodological standards of a science. In historical linguistics, reconstruction follows standard assumptions. First among these is the exceptionlessness of sound laws. You don't get to pick and choose.

This is happening in all the sciences and it's always fucking political. We're in the age of "values over facts".

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Yeah, I suppose there's an innocence to the scene as well.

The books are from the 1960s when psychoanalyzing people you've never met was vogue. I'd give you the names but I never actually bookmarked them.

This is a Kushite swastika dated to II. AD from the Shabul cemetery.





**Oghuz Turkic or "Common Turkic" is younger than Germanic however

**Shablul cemetery in Egypt north of the second cataract

And since I'm triple posting, better go all in.

Too much of the last post relies on assertion and foreknowledge so here is a relative chronology of events:

>Turkic breaks into Oghuz ("Common") and Oghur in central Asia. Oghuz will still be in Mongolia for centuries to come. Oghur Turks will be behind the Urals.

>Goths cross the Baltic Sea.

>First Germanic Rhoticism affects the Scandinavian remainers who aren't Goths

>beer is already part of the Germanic vocabulary by this date at the latest

>West Germanic speakers cross into Germania and assimilate the Celts they find there.

>0 AD

>Germans invade everything, splintering all cross the continent.

>Völkerwanderung. Attila arrives in the east with his mounted multicultural mercenary horde.


>In Asia, Oghuz finally starts to break up. Siberian Turkic breaks off first. In subsequent centuries the three still "mutually intelligible" Turkic clusters that wikipedia calls Oghuz (Turkish+), Kipchak and Karluk will take form.

>Cumans, the first indisputably Oghuz-speaking race of Turks, arrive in Germanic Europe

>Seljluks invade the Near East

And having thought about this at little more since, I realise chronology isn't even the primary argument against borrowing from Turkic. There exists a correspondence rhyme of:

deer, Tier, djór <: deuzą <: *Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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The land where Celts lived & where Celtic languages were spoken.

And where they remain today.

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>inb4 but my gallaecians

in that case entire France and northern Italy and Switzerland and Austria are Celtic as well



>in that case entire France and northern Italy and Switzerland and Austria are Celtic as well

They were fucking retard. Even Galatia in Greece was Celtic, hence the name...

Found the retarded anglo-mutt



Why can't anyone upload dubbed content in Irish somewhere? Fucking tg4 is blocked outside Ireland, even with VPNs.

Desperately looking for the Irish dub of South Park.



Celtiberian is directly attested in writing and has a small corpus of three texts and several essentially illegible ostraca.

Celtiberian "Q-Celtic" is not closely related to Breton or any of the insular languages for that matter. It's apparently closest to the Lepontic Celtic language but the spelling is so irregular and the corpus so small, it's been hard to place it with certainty.


>asturian WEWUZ

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Gaeilge thread.
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Im really interested. Do you know any video or website were i can learn the phonetics?



I tried a couple of units of Duolingo, but I can't get my head round the sentence structure. Especially with their "No Grammar" policy. It doesn't really work outside of Romance Languages.

I'll give your book a read OP. It looks like a better thing to dive into.


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Because celts were no kickass blonde blue eyed vikings, killing puny christians and looting britain making them literal snow niggers.

Celtic mythology was also preseverd way worse than Germanic mythology, where at least the older and younger Edda, accounts of missionaries and old songs at least give a glimpse of the old faith, while celts were romanised pretty hard and later converted to christianity very fast (think Ireland).

Thor and Odin just go better with the aforementioned kickass blonde blue eyed vikings than Teutates and Tanaris, about whom we know just that they were connected to war and weather, while Thor is thought to be this "Badass viking who don give no shits about puny untermenschen".

Also Hitler.



It was a shitty thread. As many have pointed out, you don't know shit about the countless languages and dialects spoken in Europe that are way more important and fundamental than Icelandic, and on par with Latin and Greek. And then you believe there's such a thing as "Europe".

But looking at your flag, I can understand your opint of view. It's just something you don't really identify to, because it's all so far away, but it isn't to Europeans. While you're thinking people should keep old languages alive, Europeans already do it and keep alive countless languages and dialects. I'm myself of French origin, with Gaul roots. I'm neither Germanic, Uralic nor Hellenic, and I don't want to have anything to do with Romans. I'm from a country where you can find people speaking Breton, Corsican, Basque, Occitan and Alsatian on a daily basis, they're taught in schools, and there's plenty litterature and resources for each.

We're not all the same. Oh yeah, we do have things in common, whether culture, linguistic roots, or history, albeit that one is filled with countless conflicts, which are as many proofs of differences those people have. And yes, Europeans can be united against attacks on those things that unite us, such as ethnic and racial identity, multiculturalism, or the rewriting of history. But don't forget there is diversity among Europeans.

There are plenty languages people would be willing to learn to get closer to their roots, and which would be more efficient at that than even Latin or Greek, such as Irish, Celtic, Lepontic, Hittite, Gaelic, Cumbric, Noric, Pictish, Phrygian, or even Gaulish.

Latin and Greek even are debatable, and then works in those languages have been properly translated and vastly expanded on for centuries. But Icelandic? No really you don't know what you're talking about. Come to "Europe", and see it for yourself.

On that topic: >>1674

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>What made you choose Icelandic?

because /pol/-logic


By the way, there is an Icelandic torrent tracker with tons of audiobooks/movies:



>not learning PIE

tho regs e'est, so'n nput'los e'est, so re'eges sun'num ew'elt.

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How long do you think would it take learning Aramaic?

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Nice shitpost


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Hmm, I'm studying Classical Hebrew and it doesn't look that hard. Lots of guessing = experience is needed, but I think it's easier than Ancient Greek.

I don't know shit about Aramaic, but they're closely related.



Why are you learning Hebrew? Do you want to read the Tanakh?



Yes, and because I'd like to study Ancient Near Eastern cultures in the future. Also to swindle the גוים.


Fluent reader here.

Honestly, best to start with Hebrew. The two languages are very close, but there is a shit ton of materials to learn Hebrew, but very few to learn Aramaic.

From scratch, will take 2 or 3 years to be able to read the New Testament in Aramaic I think, but depends on dedication and talent.

One thing: to learn the real pronunciation, you'll have to learn a bit of Arabic, because only arabs pronounce most of the consonants correctly. Don't learn the shitty ashkenazi accent, it's ridiculous.

By the way, they dubbed the "Jesus Film" (1979 i think) in Classical Syriac, with native speakers (of modern dialects, but reading old syriac).

Try that also:


It's hours of syriac prayers with the text in PDF.

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Breton. Once the most spoken Celtic language has become the fastest dying language in History. Thank to France's barbaric language policy of FRENCH-ONLY! This once great language was the awful victim to harsh lingucide.

This language must be rescued from its terrible fate.

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I said nothing about autonomy there.



please, i want to becaome breton again ;__;


one thing I noticed as a child is they have no word for the English word "hall", why is this?


For Breton learners, there is a VOD website with lots of Breton dubbed movies/cartoons: http://www.breizhvod.com/

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ⵢⵍⵍⴰⵏ ⴷ ⵉⵎⴰⵣⵉⵖⵏ ⴷⴰⴳⵢ ?

are there berbers around ?

what do you think of the state of the language currently in our nations and does it have any chance of going back to the surface as a main language locally ?

other anons, what do you know about tamazight and do you have any questions about it ?

learning material for this language are limited, but I can assist you finding some sources if you're interested

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not OP but native speaker, the difference is huge

it's like Russian to Spanish or so. two different branches of the afro-asiatic.



Yeah, I was thinking more syntactically. I know very view words should be common unless borrowed through Arabic or Punic.

Could you translate these:

> his name is Ali

> the beautiful woman has left (perfect)

> the beautiful woman is leaving (imperfect)

> Ali is a worker

> Ali's son is a worker

> we are workers

If you're going to use an Arabic word then just change it to one grammatically equivalent but natively Berber.



I don't think they mean vocabulary either, since Russian and Spanish are also very different gramatically and syntactically. Russian is like speaking Latin.



Do you have any ressources to learn berber ? please share



I know what to expect and contrast. I was asking for a native's impression of things. If you know some Hebrew, you're welcome to contribute.

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Arabs never spoke standard arabic

they have their own arabic that's different, they call it fuseha arabic.

the rest of wanna be arabs (middle east and north africa)

speak languages that are derived from local languages plus arabic, mostly a mix, and they are not mutually intelligible with arabic, they are not like the standard, not like the fuseha (classical true Arabic) and they are not like real arabic dialects ( saudi and yemeni )

the arabized scum made up an abomination and called it arabic, then they tried to force it down the throats of locals, killing local languages with it.

but the process failed, and no one speaks MSA ( standard arabic)

Algeria and Morocco still talk Berber and darja (berberized arabic with a lot of major differences)

Egyptians talk Egyptian ( coptic meets arabic with a twist)

Syrians have their levantine language that's also assyrian meets arabic with a twist ... etc

Standard arabic is useless, if you want to learn Arabic learn saudi arabic, if you want to talk to the arabized wanna be arabs, learn their respective language ( darja/darija or masri or syrian ... etc )

ignore what they brainwashed wanna be arabz tell you online, do your own research.

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at the end of the day, they were germans,

what do Moroccans and Yemenis share ? what about Syrians ?

pan-arabism was and still an empire thinking done wrong.



They were Prussians, Bavarians, Palatinates, Rhinelanders,Saxonians, Franconians, Pommeranians, Silesians, Swabians, Hanseats etc.

They didn't even share the same religion like >90% of Arabs do with an even 50-50 split of Catholics and Lutherans.



I agree with OP that MSA is fake and gay


1. All mainline Arabic dialects descend from a common central Semitic language called Proto-Arabic spoken in Northern Arabia. It is the successor to vernacular Nabataean. The difference between Neolassical Arabic and the native dialects is that between Imperial Latin and Vulgar Latin. The armies that invaded Africa and Asia didn't speak using the grammar of the Quran. Similarly, if you reconstruct Romanian, Sardinian, French and Italian, you don't get proper Latin.

2. You're exaggerating the differences between the dialects. Dariya is a very special case. It's like Maltese. It's not exemplary of a normal Arabic dialect. Almost everyone in the Egyptian-Iraqi-Yemeni triangle ("Mashriqi Arabic") can communicate with ease unless a speaker goes of their way to be obfuscatory. It's harder for non-natives because they do not internalise synonyms and word frequencies like natives do.

> Egyptians talk Egyptian ( coptic meets arabic with a twist)

3. I know a fair bit about Middle Egyptian and this is absolutely not the case. The substrate languages affect the phonology and syntax, rarely else. There's more Greek in British English than there is Egyptian in Cairene Arabic.

I think you're shitposting and probably aren't even Algerian.


MSA is to classical Arabic what Esperanto is to Latin


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Allens leve to’t vadderdaag!
Ick bün langsom?
Mak di dat kommodig, allens!


You have no Idea how much I would like to reply to this post, I can understand it, I just can't think of a good response in Plattdüütsch.


>a 4 year old thread



>a 16 days old reply

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Is anyone here?

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A Canadian writing a German word with the Hebrew writing system.




>German word with the Hebrew writing system

Isn't it Yiddish, or is there some reason to assume otherwise?



Shit, I thought it was "Nein" in Hebrew... My bad



Well, it kind of is. Yiddish is descended from Middle High German just like German, so the two are very closely related. Some even go as far as calling it a German dialect, but I think that's stretching it too far (and is mostly based on politics) since there are tons of Slavic and Hebrew words in Yiddish and apparently some important grammatical differences from German. But I'm pretty sure that if you wrote German in the Hebrew script, at least the general idea would almost certainly be understood by speakers of Yiddish.


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Im still here anon

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So Im thinking about becoming a translator. I already have english, french and spanish (my first language) and I think I'll do fine with them.

Any other language that could be useful? I love japanese but I suspect it's not as useful as it used to be some years ago.

Russian, mandarin, arabic?

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>Undergraduate degree


>Master, at a specialized level, one of the following languages: Russian, Arabic, Farsi, Kurdish/Sorani or Mandarin.


There you go.


German, Russian, Chinese


Arabic and English




Whoa. My 3 year old posts still exist. Nice.


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¡OP! No es por querer desbordar el hilo pero ¿me podrías aconsejar en cómo aprender y mejorar mi inglés? Algunos libros o consejos, perdona la molestia, es que no sé como progresar :^(

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