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For fucks sake, get an autistic burger mod to cover the burger mornings.

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I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?

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check out the sections on fascism and soviet union

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It hurts to watch this girl fall for the same trick again and again. How can we make her read Bookchin?

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Isn't this guy supposed to be funny?



muh eugenics

only Linkola is real. fuck Bookchin


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She should read Tarrant. Sandniggers are responsible for overpopulation and climate change!

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>H1B visas in the united states for highskilled workers, dirty jobs for lowskilled workers.

Programing departments at Amazon and Google and strawberry farms.

>In modern times, we have jobs at the meat processing plants that get away with paying less than minimum wage.

So do restaurants and coffee shops.

>Same thing with some fruit that must be handpicked.

I wonder how much the kulaks and agribusinessmen would have to pay before Americans would actually do that job.

>The biggest competition between native workers and immigrants is political representation.

Wow, it's fucking nothing.

>If you guys disagree just look that absolute clusterfuck free-for-all that is American racial politics

Reality TV and internet pearl-clutching.


>with actual scabs

Fuck off with that weak language game bullshit.


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>Being suppressed by (in concert with the other half of neoliberalism, free trade) the resultant low-pressure labor market and (and consequently nonexistent labor organization), duh.

So, there is none. Glad we cleared that up.

>The mechanism of one group of workers undercutting another

Accepting an offered wage is not "undercutting." It would only be undercutting if the current group were making any kind of collective demand, which it is not. Immigrants are not stepping into a dispute between local bosses and local workers, because there is no such dispute. Protectionist fags are blaming the immigrants for the market that brought them there.

>Are you attempting to dispute the historical correlation between low immigration and powerful unions

I will dispute the assumed causation all day. Wanna go?

>notice the trend started years before that

Oh yeah, it looks like it started all the way back in 1938… oopsie!

>You know nearly everyone back to Marx considered parliamentary reformism one among many viable praxis not mutually exclusive to others, right?

You know that superstructural institutions like the state are not capable of creating lasting changes to the material base and can, at best, only ever serve as a vehicle for organization, right? They sure as fuck don't produce artificial labor shortages inside the global capitalist system or strip the ruling class of its economic dominance.

>dual power, is and always has been the most reliable and most widely adopted way forward

Is that what you call bourgeois electoralism?

>Yes, but that still doesn't describe any coherent position for or against the increase of quotas that poured boatloads of people over the sea, only that people everywhere must work with eacPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



>And tacitly endorsing the importation of millions of workers with obvious differences only makes that job much, much, easier, fuckwit.

No, not really. Like I said, if it's not immigrants it would be something else.

Cut your puppet strings and spread class consciousness, the only way to take down porky is if the working class is unified.


bye bye baboons

we don't want you nor do we need you

bye bye



>Programing departments at Amazon and Google

Invariably well under the median compensation of their native peers

>So do restaurants and coffee shops.

Another den of immigrant labor abuse, and another primary industry group among open borders lobbyists.

>I wonder how much the kulaks and agribusinessmen would have to pay before Americans would actually do that job

Fascinating question, let's find out! If the price is too high, it might cause farm "owners" to reconsider the terrible conditions they impose in the fields, or giant crosscountry agribusinesses to be replaced with something more locally accessible to labor.


>So, there is none.

Yup, not until we tighten the labor market back up again like last time.

>Accepting an offered wage is not "undercutting."

>Protectionist fags are blaming the immigrants for the market that brought them there.

I wonder why those "offers" can be made, and how "the market" brings them here? If there was nobody desperate enough to accept those terrible terms allowed access to them, would porky be forced to offer better again?

>it looks like it started all the way back in 1938

Effects of WWII on the US were piddling until well into 1942, when mass mobilization and controls for war production radically altered the economy.

>only ever serve as a vehicle for organization

Reforms make further organization easier to do and harder for porky to fight, where organization then builds support (and fearful concession from porky) for further reforms. Under typical conditions, the two work hand-in-hand to ratchet labor's power up and tie down porky.

>Is that what you call bourgeois electoralism?

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Over 200 killed, hundreds injured in series of blasts at Sri Lankan hotels & churches

A series of eight explosions rocked Catholic churches and luxury hotels in Sri Lanka as Christians began Easter Sunday celebrations, with over 200 killed and hundreds injured, media reported, citing police.


Jewish effigy hanged and burned in ‘disturbing’ Easter ritual in Poland

A Jewish effigy has been hanged and burned as part of an Easter ritual in Poland, an incident condemned as “deeply disturbing” by the Jewish community.


Ukraine election: Comedian Zelensky wins presidency by landslide

Ukrainian comedian Volodymyr Zelensky has scored a landslide victory in the country's presidential election.With nearly all ballots counted in the run-off vote, Mr Zelensky had taken more than 73% with incumbent Petro Poroshenko trailing far behind on 24%.


Homeless activists outside Notre Dame demand “a roof too”

Dozens of public housing advocates protested outside the gutted Notre Dame in Paris Monday to demand that France’s poorest be remembered after donors pledged $1 billion to rebuild the cathedral and its destroyed roof.


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>This kind of thing illustrates why it is important that we do not tolerate the recent explosion of antisemitism in the Labour Party - it must be stopped before we get to this.

same guy lol




This guy might be a bot

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>There are too many Eastern European countries (Poland, Ukraine, Hungary and Russia to name but a few) which are worryingly right-wing.

Why is this?



t. chario

go out into a rural place some time, this is what people there do on easter



I suppose you mean chairo? and yes i do live on what people have told me is a very american city, i'm the "wypipo" stereotype on twitter about not liking spicy food, except i'm mexican. All i know about the rural parts is that people are getting lynched because of whatsapp rumours by angry mobs because the police sucks.


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>A grave warning of where a Corbyn government will take the UK.

Corbyn's a crypto-catholic????

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Everyone here has, at one point or another, experienced a very insidious form of weaponized idpol: that it's politically incorrect to call a man a man and a woman a woman, and that one ought to refer to a stranger as "they/them" until the person being addressed volunteers a preferred pronoun.

What is the main argument for "they/them" as a singular pronoun

– that is the use of "you" as a plural and singular pronoun both –

"you" originally referred to a group of people OR a single elite

Very simply, we must refer to individuals who are Proletarian using the term "thou" which was, at one point in time, a politically incorrect form of address. ( In fact, it was SJWs who eradicated thou from our lexicon.) This is similar to how the queers reclaimed the word queer. Using the term "Thou" to refer to a fellow proletariat is a double-blow against the radical liberals in our movement : it is a class-aware pronoun with historical support and thus is an infinitely more accessible linguistic construct than "ally" or "comrade" to refer to the in group, and it is a subtle affront against the tricksters trying to pervert everyone into becoming a "them"

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that's cool but I'd rather speak Arabic than Hebrew


>They don't just speak in autistic loud emotional grunts and take what they want anyways if no one understands them.



this is the best way to speak



IT is a better term!


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Has anyone else here just stopped denying the porky trick of bringing up seemingly ludicrous amounts of deaths

>muh 13 million Chinese

>muh 3 million Kampucheans

>muh six gorillion Jews

>muh 260 million Russians

>muh 6 million Hohols

I’ve come to the conclusion that it doesn’t matter how many communists killed, communism stands as


I was recently talking with some normalfag who threw that line at me and I responded


The boomer was BTFO epic style, left speechless by my verbal manuevers.

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You fucked up on the holocaust, that was real my friend, i hope i opened your mind, bye



You fucked up on the holodomor, that was real my friend, i hope i opened your mind, bye



You fucked on the post-war propaganda, that was real my friend, i hope i opened your mind, bye



The Holocaust was fake, you don’t have to be a Nazi to see the obvious. Jewish porky has an obvious interest peddling the six gorillion



It can be real and still be used to justify something terrible, that's why Hitler is the biggest joke of the 20th century, he literally gave the world to the jews by attempting to destroy them.

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Open borders for Israel

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All of this except Israel and the constitution


>Muh burgers










Israel bad, America good.

Now you're confused



>supporting Christian slave morality

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Happy 149th Birthday Ilyich.

С праздником, друзья и товарищи.

Ленин жил, Ленин жив, Ленин будет жить.

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This has to be all I have



Lenin looks like Tony Iomi in that second image.

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The labour movement died when people stopped singing together. If the revolution happened today, how many of you and your coworkers could sing The Internationale? Or any other labour song? And these are old ass songs, with no new songs about the struggle being written that could be sang during strikes, occupations and insurrections.

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Tankies are reformists who can't help but "compromise" with liberals.


Moving away from any form of social conservatism at all costs in pursuit of individualist bourgeois hedonism and other Jewish bullshit is what killed the labor movement. It became assimilated into the machine and commodified. Now to most communists having the freedom to catch STDs and inject yourself with estrogen are regarded as the great class-struggles of our time


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Unions used to be a lot more than just collective bargaining and support in legal disputes. After work the proletariat went to the union's building where they attended classes, played and listened to music, acted out and watched theatrical plays, discussed and played cards. They had sports clubs and tournaments, even international ones, they went hiking, they wrote for their own newspapers and literary and political journals, they sang together.

Now in our era where the individual is more isolated then ever, maybe it is time to bring back the secondary functions of the unions?


this is very good for several reasons:

1) it is the mythmaking capacity that is used to summon powerful hidden forces of change: look at kek. specifically look at kek in the first 'chapter' of finnegans wake (for the uninitiated, it's largely about the central dying-ressurecting figure of myth). every time war brews and some new viking or gaul tries to invade ireland, the frogs start croaking. in our case the frogposters start tweeting.

but this is hugely underestimated capacity of 'meme magic'

2) singing (ie creativity) is the solution to violence. when some authority figure is aping out to try to get you to acknowledge that they're top dog and you're a little piece of shit: it seems like some complex thing but it's really what every mammal with a vertebrate has done to control space for !thousands of millions of years! it's a proven strategy and even otherwise rational people will revert to it when they're challenged. the methods of the neocortex (nonviolence, all-oneness, creativity) are so new that their expressions are challenged, mispercieved or just unseen, repressed. it happens in every age.

combined, singing along with creative storytelling is more powerful than any psyop, so go be bards



I like this idea. There is hardly any basis for social interaction anymore. Besides most people seem to just hang out with people they know from work anyway.

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>inb4 go kill yourself blackpilled faggot

>muh hope

Genuine question I think everyone should ask themselves.

honestly western leftists are too sperged out and individualized to ever coalesce as a relevant political force, everyone is focused on cultivating their very own very special political identity and discussing retarded ideological bullshit with each other to even fight back against the right.

Even here and in the other board most of you faggots are nothing but quasi-reformed /pol/yps who can't spend 5 minutes without arguing about whether or not you should kill all trannies/blacks/browns because for some retarded reason or another you cannot fathom existing at the same time or place than someone who is vaguely different than you. Hell there's even a chunk of you who won't believe anything about climate change until you're dying from heatstroke, freezing to death, starving or drowned within a decade or two.

Out there everyone is mostly just backwards liberals and traditionalists who have most definitely lost their minds, normies who literally can't see shit beyond what's in front of them and are unable to think about anything but basic normie shit and fringe bullshit like anti vaxxers.

Is society just too far gone to ever recover? even if we somehow magically manage not to get sent back to the stone age by climate catastrophe in the next few decades and we actually manage to get a revolution off the ground, is there anything still worth saving?

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Capitalism is a good economic system that allows the population to decide what products and services they need through supply and demand. It may not be a perfect system, but at least it is better than a socialist economy where every one is poor except for the people in power.


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Nah, we’re fucked mate. Pic related



>muh capitalism has provided more material security to the individual than any other system to date

>muh giant ommission of all facts about what capitalism has done to the environment

And the award for captain save a hoe goes to…



>Capitalism good, socialism bad

>Ooga booga



>getting to choose between 10 brands of banana ketchup and #F568A4-colored ass shavers is better than guaranteed housing and education for all

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ITT - Questions/Topics that don't warrant knocking a thread off page 15. If you think it'll start a long reply chain, make a thread.

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>Is there similar for women

Tumblr feminism



Stop posting trannies



As someone said, there's idpol (especially the LISTEN TO WOMEN) variety, but that's more a thing with "lefty" types, not a parallel to Peterson. The status-quo parallel is more like becoming an instagram influencer and shilling for fashion/cosmetic companies.



What about a radical leftist parallel?



A radical leftist parallel to a status-quo warrior? Or do you mean generally some kind of "thought leader" like Peterson but for the left and targeting young women? Because I don't know of any but would like to.

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>tfw /doomer/ is higher than /leftpol/ in terms of users for the first time

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Tbh i'm one of the only posters there that points it out and they're receptive to it.

You're just not posting there enough.



>muh gabidalizm

>it’s never my fault!1!1!



>The society i grew up with and live in can't possibly have an impact on my life!



Commies can never accept ANY personal responsibility. It’s always the capitalist, the Man, Society — NEVER YOU


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Blaming the individual for collective issues is a good way of deflecting any responsibility away from the status quo.

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I am not a left-leaning person at all, but I am here to ask about something.

After yesterday's Zizek vs JP debate, Zizek mentioned how there is no influence of cultural Marxism in the contemporary world. This got me thinking, what is it that we are observing right now of PC culture then if Zizek thinks it is not cultural Marxism?

A quick Google search says that cultural Marxism is a revolutionary leftist idea that traditional culture is the source of oppression in the modern world, which seems to be inline of what the right describes as leftists creating a parallel of class warfare in identity politics. However, I found this to be very one-sided, so that's why I am here to ask you guys, what do you believe cultural Marxism is? How influential is it in the modern world? How does it relate to individual freedoms? Do you even think individual freedom like freedom of speech to be necessary? I define freedom of speech as having no legal consequences from speech, with the opposite being any form of a secular or not version of blasphemy laws.

I know that cultural Marxism has nothing to do with the concept of class warfare that Marx expresses, but the reason Marxism is linked is because of how it mirrors the class warfare struggle with expressing culture as oppressed vs oppressor.

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waaah waaah my hwites!



>Jewish mocking

Not gonna work


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Wow you called me a jew, guess it's over for me.


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>Chomsky or articles like the "Unpacking The Invisible Knapsack"?

WTF does Chomsky have to do with racist postmodern drivel like that?

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I think it is important to understand that socialism has been overtaken by Marxists who fetishize workers and work as the inherent factor of their political leanings. Many individualist anarchists such as Benjamin Tucker were socialists without Marx. Not to mention the countless Utopian socialists who predate Marx.

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That shit would read easier if you hadn't put highlighter all over it. All he is saying is the same thing that leftcoms said about Stalin's USSR but with the naked and unabashed inconsistency that it is coming from someone who proposes to maintain the very top-down structure that he criticises.


>/leftpol/ thread turns into hitler and fitness talk

lol niggers



Capitalism is when rich Jews do stuff, and National Socialiism is when you eliminate the rich Jews and let the rich Aryans do the same stuff.



marxist socialism is the same, except the ruling class is described to be the workers

as if you needed more proof marxism is fascism




Kek. Yeah, buddy, real convincing case.

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