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Can we get the action log linked back into the OP? https://sys.8ch.net/log.php?board=leftpol

And it seems a chair, Checka Agent, and apo are the only ones actively moderating, should we get more vols?

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Hi. I'm the new BO of /freedu/. I would like to revive the board on the lines of what it always has been; a hub of leftist knowledge and a means of free education. However, I've noticed that the board only has five banners. I'd like to at least double it. If any of you are interested, feel free to provide some banners.

Due to 8chan's limitations, banners cannot exceed 500 kb, must be a PNG, JPG, or GIF, and also must be exactly 300x100 pixels. That is 300 pixels wide, by 100 pixels tall.

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Wtf is that image?

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I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?

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looking for something to counter lolberts mostly

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Can someone explain trotskyism to me? I am a theorylet and leftypol has been vague and 99% of comments were ICEPICK XD comments and i got 3 good ones but not broad enough. Please someone give me a good explenation on why its valid after the deaths of stalin and trotsky as well.

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Ironically, Trotsky is viewed in a very wrapped way by the general public.

Orwell painted him as some kind of good anarkiddie guy resisting le ebil Stalin Tyranny.

In fact, the only difference between him and Stalin would be that he didn't think Stalin sent enough people to Gulag and made too few wars.

We can only dream as to what wonders would happen in the world if both Stalin and Trotsky could lead the Soviet Union. Porky would surely tremble.



>Orwell painted him as some kind of good anarkiddie guy resisting le ebil Stalin Tyranny.

In what text did orwell write about him?



Well, Animal Farm and 1984 to start with (Goldstein, Snowflake). I don't remember his articles about Trotsky (only read some about SCW), but there might be.



>Can someone explain to me how Trotsky's theory of permanent/international revolution is different from what Engels is saying here?

Trotsky's theory is not different to it, it isn't even (functionally different) to Stalin's Socialism in one country.

In genereal, Trotsky is different to Engels in that he rejects reformism, as all Lenin's Lieutenants did, while Engels himself permitted both approaches.



As far as I know, Orwell didn't write much about USSR at all (more so about stuff he saw with his own eyes: SCW, Brit labour, Britain, Brit communism and leftism), but, if anything, he read Trotsky vigorously, and whatever he wrote, he picked up from Trotsky's writings.

Still, I believe, he created Communism-lite Trot meme through his fiction.

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What would happen to people like Chris-Chan in your vision of a communist society?

This is what my unofficial Marxist reading group somehow ended up debating last night, and we couldn't imagine how you'd even begin to help him.

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Come on, you can do better than that.



Oh, sure, you're completely right. I just don't get why you think that since I'm acting dismissive towards someone who acts defensive of spergs, that must mean that I'm a sperg myself.

Well, no, I do get it: I'm a magnet for accusations of projection, and the people who do it are projecting themselves. I don't know how it works, but I've found it to be pretty reliable, to the point of getting people to open to me just by baiting them into accusing me of projecting and taking note of exactly what they think I'm projecting. Very useful when it is useful.



>I just don't get why you think that since I'm acting dismissive towards someone who acts defensive of spergs, that must mean that I'm a sperg myself.

Oh god please don't. I literally explained why in the post you're reacting to. You aren't being "dismissive:"

>Open your mouth so that I can piss into it.


>Okay, I pissed in your mouth, you may close it now. Do swallow it, though.

You do realize that right? That's the same bullshit /pol/tards spout when they feel threatened.

>I'm a magnet for accusations of projection

I know a very simple explanation for that.

>I don't know how it works, but I've found it to be pretty reliable, to the point of getting people to open to me just by baiting them into accusing me of projecting and taking note of exactly what they think I'm projecting. Very useful when it is useful.

I'm pretty open about "projecting" here. Struggled with exactly the same insecurities as a teenager, up to the point of completely debilitating me with social anxiety. So I have direct experience with how this works.



> That's the same bullshit /pol/tards spout when they feel threatened.

So you don't allow even the theoretical possibility of me being annoyed with you to be at play here? Of course not. You're always right, and everyone else is just "threatened" by you.

> I'm pretty open about "projecting" here.

There you go, then.



>So you don't allow even the theoretical possibility of me being annoyed with you to be at play here?

I don't allow the "theoretical possibility" because it doesn't match your behavior. I challenged your claims and you shot into full scat-fetish shitpost mode. Maybe that's what a sperg would do if they're "annoyed," but you're not a sperg, right?

>There you go, then.

Yeah, I've got personal experience backing me up. Not sure how that helps you.

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If we're moving here we may as well bring the best part of /leftypol/ along with us.

Movies, anime, music, feels, e-celebs, internet drama, fetishes and shitposting ITT

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Edgemasters are out in full force it seems.


He indirectly scared a bunch of developers out of the industry/into silence via call-outs and the like. His idiotic fanbase took this as a cue to start harassing these people (which is what usually happens when ecelebs feel the need to point at someone and is not unique to John). His endorsement of Gamergate also continues to draw ire, even though he was about as far removed from the whole targeted harassment part of it as someone with that much cloud could have been.


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>Warhammer 40k is not an anime nor is it Japanese

That's Zeon from Gundam….

The planet broke before the guard did

The choices I picked don't have a fascist message, I mean Kerberos is basically "Nazis are bad", and for Gundam the original series had a non-bias view of Zeons being good in the beginning and the more fascist they went later was cause the original leader died and the new guy was Hitler. At least until the CGI series in the early 2000s which took out all the redeeming stuff and almost word for word made Germany invading Poland in SPAAAAAAAAAAACE.


The problem with these shows is that they have a heavy fascist/imperal german style, and the fact that they might be criticizing fascism is gonna be lost on 90% of the audience, I mean I get it's satire, but what's the intelligence of the average weeb? Remember The Apprentice was a satire, yet Americans took it seriously. Poe's law strikes again.

I remember having a discussion of shows with communist and fascist undertones, and the shows that actually are pro-fascist don't have any the aesthetics that a parody would have, instead it appears normal until you look at the message. I think on the list was Full Metal Alchemist and maybe Attack on Titan, but I don't remember and I don't wanna remember what the shows actually were. I do remember that Hero Academia has a weird Social Marxist complex and the idea of monetization.



fug, I forgot to say I picked those shows cause they LOOK fascist and have those weird early 20th century german aesthetics and that'll influence the average person more than any actual message.



My Hero Academia is more fascist than any of those other shows.




>targeted harassment part of it

Fuck off SJW

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Ban me if you must, I have already lost.

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> Worst case

What do you care? You're part of the fucking problem.




Yes, I'm fairly certain that all the old mods either quit or were removed by BO once they realized what was happening. BO had to find new volunteers and at one point even complained that it was getting too difficult to find people who wanted to volunteer on the board.



Hotwheels was never a neo-nazi. He was a pretty typical muh liberty lolbert, even came onto leftpol in the early days and bantz with us. I miss him tbh.






Filtering Rojava into Syria is not funny.

>oh no! A socialist project in a right-wing country getting support from the US?

<better support the reactionaries!

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What do you think about it?

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This, if only it had a larger share of socialists among its contributors instead of just staunch liberals.



Well you need academic background + lots of spare time to contribute but I've been contributing to wikipedia for ages with an open communist flair on my user page.

However users who partake in pointless internal politics in wiki are always liberals. Most people just edit but the bureaucrats are always centrists.



>The 'Monkey-selfie selfie' became a theme at Wikimania 2014 at the Barbican Centre in London.[31] Conference attendees, including Wikipedia co-founder and Wikimedia Foundation board member Jimmy Wales,[32] posed for selfies with printed copies of the macaque photograph.

True, Jimbo had nothing to gain from the photos, except the chance to spitefully spit in the man's face as he destroys his life legally. And you just can't put a price tag on that sort of value.



Makes sense. The same principle has caused the EU to be led by a bunch of Christian Democrats. It isn't because they're conspiring to take over or anything, they're simply the most inoffensive bastards in town.

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We are seriously fucked. This is the end. We had one shot at turning things around and we fucked it up. Thanks a lot capitalism. You doomed us all.

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And transformation involves violence.


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Tankism is an imitation of Marxism in its most shallow, primitive aspects: there exists a struggle between two forces, and the struggle will end once one of the two forces emerges victorious. It's a replacement of a methodology of thought with a simplistic narrative of good versus evil, where both forces exist exclusively in opposition to each outside of a framework of a greater system of which both are only components. Resolution of contradictions is understood by tankies to mean a return, or a progression towards, a "natural state of being", a race to end history and complete the dialectic process. In twisting dialectics, tankism exists to defy Marxism; it, just like fascism and social democracy, is a response to the emergence of socialism that seeks to end socialism by negating its substance.

Tankies do not believe that change is possible. Hierarchy has no end, it can only be controlled, for which purpose there must exist a vanguard party separate from the body of the population; classes are impossible to abolish, but class tensions can be, with the replacement of the old exploiting class with the new one which will promote and oversee class cooperation in perpetuity; the forces of reaction and progress and inherently static, and the conflict between them can only be resolved with an appointment of an intermediary which will appease both sides equally. Tankism, that is to say, is dualistic, holding to a paradigm of cooperation-in-defiance of sets of opposites; in this regard, it is not at all different from Aristotelianism and Taoism

To be a tankie is to declare eternal opposition to the dialectic process, and to tolerate a tankie is to assist them in their despicable goal.




Which happens with accordance to the laws of dialectic materialism (in either interpretation), which, in any case, include the STRUGGLE of the opposites.

So, go ahead, pal, throw me a couple more Ad Hominems, not like you ruined this thread with them enough.



"Tankism" is an imageboard meme, and means little by itself. I support all heirs of Marx, which is orthodox Social Democrats and Communists, and my leftist views are almost entirely formed by Marx-Lenin-Mao Zedong; also Kautsky, but he mostly interpreted Marx.

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What does /leftpol/ think about Hijab, Niqāb and Burqa etc. Is it compatible with communism and womens liberation? Asking for a friend.

>It is a basic requirement of Islamic law that women keep their hair and bodies covered in the presence of people of the opposite sex other than close family members

>According to some interpretations, these requirements extend to non-Muslim women as well

>In some cases, this is everything but the eyes, but most require that women cover everything but the face and hands

>There is not a single agreed age when a woman should begin wearing a ħijāb—but in many Muslim cultures, puberty is the dividing line.

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>Do you want vanguardism? Because that's how you get vanguardism.

Not necessarily.

>religiosity naturally tends to die out in progressive societies.

Since you didn't read my original post: >>60976 I will summarize again what I said there: firstly I don't agree with this statement, forms of religiosity can always emerge again, and secondly if you do agree that's actually an argument to focus entirely on education and changing the material circumstances, not to implement hoxhaite repression.

>you see not even a theoretical possibility of a connection in how "religious feeling" and organised religion tend to go hand in hand?

If anything you will make religion more "organized" and sectarian by trying to eradicate it.

>Nobody but tankies argues that religion doesn't exist outside of capitalism, the point is that religion and capitalism are naturally compatible and that provides an additional incentive to get rid of both.

And in what way is this an argument for getting rid of religion?

>That's a thesis, not an argument.

And the rest of my posts consist largely of arguments for that thesis. Learn to read.

>muh free will spookiness haha stirner is so woke:DDD i just turned 14

you know very well what i meant

>Religion is inherently, categorically incompatible with materialism, and materialism is not optional

Good thing that materialism wasn't ever meant to be more than a working hypothesis anyway and everything dogmatic materialism will ever do is stifle the revolution. Read Sartre ("Materialism and revolution", p198-256 onwards) and then come back as soon as you think you can argue against what he says: Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


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Holy shit why do threads here always derail onto a broader topic than what op was specifically asking for.

If they want to then yes otherwise don't force them.

On the topic of religion in general.

>Not believing in syncretic union spiritual communism

Religion/spiritualism and communism are required to go hand in hand even if most communist thinkers never admitted this, knew this, or rejected this.


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>Religion/spiritualism and communism are required to go hand in hand even if most communist thinkers never admitted this, knew this, or rejected this.

Semi-ironically this.

Marxism can make good use of theological categories t. Benjamin


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This. 19th century thinkers were spooked by neopositivism. But religion should never ever be used as a tool to enforce opinions or attitudes unto others.

Imo religion/spirituality should stick to :

>promoting universal love/compassion/empathy

>promote the ancient idea that man's will is bound to fate (determinism in stoicist thought) and measure should be observed, since man is not all-powerful nor all-knowing

>reinforcing social cohesion (because not eveyone is going to bother with philosophy/more mystical approaches to spirituality)

>religion should never ever ever (…) ever hold any temporal power of any kind

>dismantle superstition and religious anthropomorphism (god is a man that has such and such opinion/will/belief/intentionality and I can ask him to be nice to me)

Basically without religion, most uneducated people will just freak the fuck out due to the sheer absurdity of life experienced in most capitalist systems.




Obviously meant positivism. Neopositivism is a current trend (but people who suffer from it probably never heard the word before)

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I wanna become a Ancom or a Ansyn over the summer. What are some good books on them. Is Bakunin good?

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pssst, read cockshott and you will


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Ah nvm, good job



Thank you, comrade!

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Seriously it's a trend I keep on seeing, most higher up NSDAP members were Leninists at one point with some partaking in armed revolt even with people like Alfred Rosenberg fighting in Bavarian Soviet Republic and many more I don't feel like citing, even fucking Mussolini was a member of several Socialist/Communist Organizations in Italy at one point. How come the most well known and hardcore of Fascists were all hardcore leftists at one point? What made them turn? I mean same goes for today with Fascist groups like the Atomwaffen Division and National Action with them admitting that lots of their members being former Anarchists and Communists at one point in their lives or their members being doxxed and found out to be fmr. members of Leninist and Anarchist groups at one point. This has been boggling my mind for a while. I'm not a leftist btw it just really makes me think so I thought I'd ask here.

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t. Black hole brain





>You will never see the USSR and Fascist Europe and Asia merge into giga International-Nazbol and see them take over the world while putting the Jews into Gaslags.

Where did it all go so wrong?



I am physically disabled with ehlers-danlos and I can say better than you you ableist SHITLORD we can defend ourselves on this.



>fascism is only for white people

Imagine believing this. not socialism is not all of fascism.

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Afternoon leftypol, ever wanted to turn your fantasies of recreating the Spanish Civil War ? Want to have fun while fighting for the CNT ?


Look no further, it is a preety good mod and I bet you are all going to have fun on the mods, we have everything from uniforms to guns, tanks and much more, do try it you will enjoy it.

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New Years resolutions are a marketing scheme to sell fad diets, but I see no reason why leftists shouldn't pursue self-improvement. Let's have a thread to talking about getting fit, getting read, and developing skills.

I've got my current routine down, but I'm looking for books on syndicalism and communization. Can some anons help me out?

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Fucked up my shoulder at work and couldn't do certain exercises. Sad comrades.

Budgeting for the film and I think it may coist around $8K to shoot. In my current situation I can raise that but it will take a while, in the meantime going to work on script and teaching myself editing and scoring.



Proper thing buddy! Take it easy and let your shoulder heal.


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the NDP person pulled out, moved or something else since I got a notification that the NDP seat is open and the only runners currently are the Conservatives and the Libertarians and Economics(CEP), the Green and NDP have something weird going on where they won't be on the ballot or something. Dunno what's going on with it.

Ya the NDP lady just dropped off the fucking map, she's doing twitter and shit still but the campaign site's dead and she didn't show up for the local debate at the nearby school gym. Maybe she got whacked or something

I'm still fucking confused at the Libertarian running for a role in government though



well there's pictures of her campaigning on social media

either way after a certain date once you're on the ballot you can't get off. I guess you can just go vote and if there's no NDP or Green options you can just write NAZBOL GANG on your ballot in protest



> just write NAZBOL GANG on your ballot in protest

I'm not gonna be that guy who throws their ballot away, besides a vote for nothing is a vote for Ford or something. "Democracy"

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Or are these not leftists, just stupid liberals?

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Most first worlders deserve it honestly.



It doesn't matter what you think. The Nazis will probably have their race war in the end, as the Left is dead and has been replaced by the "whites are evil coalition" whilst the traditional right is losing ground to resurgent fascists.



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Says the first worldist.



>Christ Com turns out to be Catholic Hispanic

/pol/ is having a field day with this thread.


Because you're principled and don't base your ideals on group-think.

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