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 No.99240[Reply]

Hello guy's the moderator of /leftpol/ has decided he wants a break. So I'm gunna be moderating the this board for awhile.

BUT DON'T WORRY

>Rules are going to be the same as before.

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 No.113649

>>113647

>leftpol admins true neutral

>/pol/acks chaotic evil

>Jason Unruhe neutral good

>Contrapoints lawful evil

>Jim Profit lawful neutral

Change my mind




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 No.1[Reply]

Read the Rules and FAQ before posting

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-Why are there two leftypols now?

"Lmao WIP"

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 No.113581

>>113567

Of course I do. Entering a discussion with a rigid mind and looking at it as win-lose type of deal is the problem. People do it because it's an easy way to pass the time. Take a look at 4chan, especially boards like /g/, endless "x is good, y is shit" threads. Arguing, insulting others, defending your view against others is the easiest thing to do. Notice how 'counter-arguments' in these types of discussion quickly devolve into ad hominems, insults, criticising the source, etc. Anything to protect their ego, anything except critically evaluating arguments or reading and educating themselves. It's always you vs. me and you're against me because you're being paid to be!




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 No.1128[Reply]

I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?

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 No.113288

Catholic Socialism thread? >>1128




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 No.113688[Reply]

Commie rection pics, my folder is pathetic

 No.113691

>>113688

reaction pics ofc, derp


 No.113692

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 No.113460[Reply]

Alex Jones

Sargon of Akkad

Gavin McInnes

All deplatformed from various major media and payment-processing sites.

Why are megacorps censoring advocates of capitalism, while they let people like Maoist Rebel go untouched?

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 No.113673

>>113669

>They're gay/gender fluid so they must be communist

retarded analysis fucking Caitlyn Jenner for instance is a Republitard

>I became a WN because I didn't like how lefties were targeting neocons

oh so you've always been retarded nevermind then


 No.113676

>>113672

>guy on the top right literally says he's a communist

>not communist

Also, you can't tell me that Google roster doesn't look like a /leftypol/ Discord room.


 No.113679

>>113673

>>I became a WN because I didn't like how lefties were targeting neocons

Wrong, I just didn't like fellow whites of my own culture being shit on in general. I'm against many elements of capitalism now that I've studied politics for years.

However, I still oppose globalism because it's against my own interests. I'm a farmer in Texas, so I don't want live in a Mexican ethnostate where the government seizes my property South Africa-style. I also doubt Orthodox Marxists' ability to convince Mestizos to not be ethnocentric, so I'm essentially acting out of pragmatism.


 No.113689

>>113676

Just because he says he's one doesn't mean he actually understands shit. He's just another SJW virtue signaler who has never read Marx or Lenin or any other revolutionary and thinks being gay is itself a revolutionary act.

Also I looked him up and he already got fired from Google for complaining about the lack of diversity in their hiring. So much for Google being a lefty-friendly cesspool.

>>113679

I love how retarded right-wing thought is.

>MUH GLOBALISTS ARE GOING TO ESTABLISH A MEXICAN ETHNOSTATE IN AMERICA TO TAKE EVERYONE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY

literally none of that follows from each other and is in fact outright contradictory. Some examples:

>globalists love diversity

>globalists want to build an exclusively MEXICAN ethnostate

>globalists are capitalists

>but they're coming to steal your farm/private property

For someone who "studied politics for years" you sure seem like just another incoherent /pol/tard who gets all his "info" from memes.


 No.113690

>>113476

If i used that to hunt there wouldn’t even be enough of the deer left




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 No.113382[Reply]

There is a serious problem with the left as the she-woman man hater's club. The Democratic Party, the Labour Party, and many other institutional parties have succumbed to the man hating menace. How do we rise above feminism? How do we cultivate the incel vein of wrath towards women and use it against the powers that be?

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 No.113677

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>>113650

"Male feminists" are serial rapists 100% of the time.


 No.113678

>>113674

i’m a shut in that rarely talk to people let alone women I listen to a bunch of youtube personalities and have heard this often, but mostly from the right, so i just dismissed it as something that group believes now. but hearing it here is definitely odd


 No.113680

>>113677

>stonetoss

disregarded


 No.113682

>>113678

>I believe this because some anonymous retards on the Internet gossiped about it

Come on, anon.


 No.113687

>>113678

>>113682

to be fair, i've heard of quite some cases as well, but it might just be that there isn't any special correlation between the two and woketard male feminists just rape and abuse at around the average rate (amusing in its own way) but you tend to pay much more attention to such cases




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 No.113519[Reply]

Is creating a cult the ultimate form of praxis? I’ve been convinced that there needs to be both political and practical work in the building of socialism, meaning that we should be engaging in electoral politics within the framework of the bourgeois state, community work and, as something I have particular interest in, the creation of communes. A “cult” creates a community of people who become completely and utterly devoted to the ideals of the community, in this case socialism. The people who are prone to join such communities – lumpens, social-misfits and the already devoted, are prime targets for radicalization. Through daily mutual criticism sessions, weapons training, excercize, Marxist-reading circles and general political work these people will be molded into a fanatical vanguard dedicated to my specific brand of Maoism with communitarian characteristics. You think this is just a shitpost but it is a blueprint for action drawing from the flaws of other utopian communities

>mutual criticism taken from the Oneida perfectionists

>rationale for founding communes taken from Job Harriman’s recognition of the need for an economic base for socialism

>realization that the more democratic communist settlements were the most fragile while religious communities with authoritarian command lasted the longest

>religious communities such as the Amana inspirationists, Shakers and Oneida perfectionists lasted longer than secular communities, thus suggesting the need for the use of Christianity in spreading socialism in America

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 No.113630

Cults /= utopian socialism


 No.113633

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>>113629

Return to the Unity.


 No.113637

>>113629

SYNTHESIS


 No.113648

>>113535

economic systems need to be holistic and such a thing as communism inside a capitalist system has no other path but crumbling

>>113624

God, if you believe in him is a already a communist.

>>113629

nazbolism is something but it started as a joke and I feel our pathos will require more thought put into it then the one that was put into nazbolism.


 No.113685

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 No.113684[Reply]

Where are the lefts version of Atlas Shrugged? Fictional stories used to show not only how society can be, but how to get there, in an entertaining way.

Where is "Atlas Hugged"?.



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 No.113152[Reply]

Is anything these guys write actually worth reading or are they overhyped? Are there any good reading-lists?

General thread on these guys, I guess

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 No.113646

>>113298

I think neither Bookchin nor his readers have the faintest clue about what the word ecology even means.


 No.113664

>>113642

Which

thread


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 No.113668

While he admits to being inspired by Bookchin, Öcalan is a hack who just copy-pasted communalism, added a sprinkling of "national self-determination" (no state dough of course also not da bad kind of nationalism lol) and called it something completely different ("democratic confederalism")


 No.113681

>>113668

Is it really stealing if you adopt what you think are good ideas and add some of your own thought to it? I doubt Bookchin sperged out

>NOOO THESE ARE MY IDEAS




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 No.113392[Reply]

Why can't the left meme?

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 No.113654

>>113489

>I wish rabid anti-marxists would

See, this is the entire problem right here.

"anti-marxist"?

There was zero reason whatsoever for any single person to ever take "Karl Marx" seriously in the first place. His ideas were fucking idiotic in writing, and even worse when put into practice.

"Anti-Marxist" shouldn't even be a word, because nobody should even know who the fuck that retarded faggot was. It should be like being "Anti-Gary, the crazy homeless person who lives out of a cardboard box behind the 7-11 and gives hilariously shitty financial advice".


 No.113656

>>113392

Memes are data concepts arising from organic banter and the exchange if ideas. An artificial organization created by hypercapitalist megacorporations to destroy workers has no room for human banter - only mechanical, cold and empty inputs of command and outputs of action.

The left cannot meme, and this is why. They'll try to write it off as '14 year olds', 'women' and other delusional fantasies - but when their centers of thought are policed on fear of death, they simply cannot meme.


 No.113658

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>>113654

>no arguments

keep proving me right


 No.113666

>>113658

If you're too dumb to click a link, I doubt you're smart enough to read anything if it was copy and pasted here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_Marxism


 No.113683

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>>113666

>posts a literal wikipedia article




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 No.112838[Reply]

Discussion thread for the book club's first text.

From wiki:

"God and the State (called by its author The Historical Sophisms of the Doctrinaire School of Communism) is an unfinished manuscript by the Russian anarchist philosopher Mikhail Bakunin, published posthumously in 1882. The work criticises Christianity and the then-burgeoning technocracy movement from a materialist, anarchist and individualist perspective."

Links to the text:

PDF -

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michail-bakunin-god-and-the-state.pdf

Text -

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michail-bakunin-god-and-the-state

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/bakunin/works/godstate/index.htm

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 No.113370

File: a85b60f8140f3cd⋯.jpg (20.39 KB, 220x328, 55:82, young_bakunin.jpg)

I've started reading but I have questions:

>Who is right, the idealists or the materialists? The question, once stated in this way, hesitation becomes impossible. Undoubtedly the idealists are wrong and the materialists right.

Why does Bakunin criticize idealists for being wrong, but later says that idealism results only in brutal materialism? Is he defending a materialist philosophy or not?

>What I preach then is, to a certain extent, the revolt of life against science

What did he mean?

My other questions are: What was the point of this work? Bakunin mentions science a lot, and also writes about how class society and hierarchy is bad, but what was he proposing?


 No.113373

>>113370

I'll respond more in depth when I get home but

>What was the point of this work?

It was the second half of a work published after Bakunin's death. Outside of the context of part 1, it exists as an analysis/critique of the role religion in maintaining the state.

>Bakunin mentions science a lot, and also writes about how class society and hierarchy is bad, but what was he proposing?

Anarchism.


 No.113566

File: 326f741cd0e2a2a⋯.jpg (128.81 KB, 1024x768, 4:3, boomer.jpg)

Hail Satan

>But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge.

Also:

>It is the characteristic of privilege and of every privileged position to kill the mind and heart of men. The privileged man, whether politically or economically, is a man depraved in mind and heart. That is a social law which admits of no exception, and is as applicable to entire nations as to classes, corporations, and individuals. It is the law of equality, the supreme condition of liberty and humanity. The principal object of this treatise is precisely to demonstrate this truth in all the manifestations of human life.

Time to check your privilege, shitlords


 No.113645

I liked this bit:

>A scientifc body to which had been confided the government of society would soon end by devoting itself no longer to science at all, but to quite another afair; and that afair, as in the case of all established powers, would be its own eternal perpetuation by rendering the society confided to its care ever more stupid and consequently more in need of its government and direction.

If my acedemic career taught me anything, it is that there is nothing so regressive as a group of like-minded experts with a bit of power.


 No.113659

>>113645

>In the matter of boots, I refer to the authority of the bootmaker; concerning houses, canals, or railroads, I consult that of the architect or engineer.

So bakunin is saying that we should rely on experts, but not give them political power?




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 No.113556[Reply]

Daily reminder that if you use "comrade", you're a liberal LARPing as socialist and you should go back to r/socialism.

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 No.113576

Do you actually get any satisfaction out of knocking down the wispy piles of straw in your head?


 No.113639

товарищ


 No.113643

>>113569

Why not? The Black Panthers called each other motherfuckers.


 No.113644

If you don't call comrades "mah nigga" you're a reactionary.


 No.113670

I agree, OP

But we must recognize that the term was destroyed due to COINTELPRO completely dismantling the left and ruining any sense of class consciousness




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 No.111635[Reply]

American right-wingers are the stupidest people on earth!

The USA was only created because rebels rebelled against the monarchies of Europe and wanted to become independent…

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sup /leftpol/, looks like the anti-hatfags are getting BTFO as usual! Just a little reminder that if your country doesn't have cool hats, it's FUCKING GAY! You have to have cool hats to be a real country

>German hats literally have a skull and crossbones on it epic style

>Russians have the ushanka

>Roman legionnaires have the chad plume

>mongolian hats are wide and have a MOTHERFUCKING SPIKE on top

>pope has a gigantic hat, literally the biggest hat out of all religions, correspondingly biggest religionbase

Just look at the modern pope: doesn't wear the cool hat, instead he licks the feet of muslims (in a nonsexual way like some sort of filthy degenerate). Any ideology that doesn't have fancy, powerful hats is doomed to fail. The lolberts have what? A retarded bowtie? That's why libertarianism fails, because people see a wimpy little bowtie and know it's an ideology for the weak. Why is it that nazbol gang BTFO's anarchists forever and always? Because we have the cool hats. WW2 was basically a fight over who had the cooler hat, and thus the countries with the upperhand were the coolhat countries. Winston Churchill was a weak little faggot who wore a tiny, tiny hat. Embarrassing! Who would want to be seen in public with a tiny little british hat?

This extends into culture as well. Sherlock Holmes versus his dear Watson. People see that Holmes' hat is much larger and flashier than Watson, and immediately know who gets laid at parties and who isn't even fucking INVITED. The proud african race has figured this out, you can look at how fancy their ghetto hats are and instantaneously know the hierarchy. Pimps get all the bitches, pimps also have the fanciest hats. Surprise, surprise. These nibbas don't have motherfucking FEATHERS in their hats, they just have the price tag trying to look richer. It isn't just proud melanin enriched peoples who know about the hat spectrum, either. Team Fortress 2, a FREE game (means of production have been seized by the gaming class) knows that the bigger the hat, the better the player. It's just common sense.

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>>112740

see this is a good example, is this supposed to be an argument or what?

>>112784

>1) How is my life experience with self proclaimed marxists a pre fabricated narrative ? I has been my genuine experience that you marxian fellas were upper middle class white college kids.

Because I think you're lying about what you've experienced, or are grouping people on this board in with SJWs. I thought the 'my uncle who works at Nintendo' comments would get that across but I guess you're an autist and a newfag so whatever.

<also

<prefab

<neolib

>get the dick out of your mouth and speak like a human being

This isn't speaking, I press buttons to make these squiggles appear on your screen and you translate these into sounds and words, if you're hearing dicksucking noises mixed in with that I think the problem might be at your end, faggot.

>make this board easier for me to understand, I'm new, change everything to be easier for me

heh

>2) read the snippit of article I was referencing

What article?

>for your cumrag comrades retarded reasoning for screaming MUH NADZIS!!!

What did he mean by this? All I get is that he's a snowflake melting in the face of reality because I don't use his preferred pronoun

>you fellas scream nazi at everyone who disagrees with you

That isn't us. Faggots like you who come here to tilt at windmills need a containment thread, or to walk into traffic.

>evidently its the only way marxism has any appeal.

You don't want to be painted in broad strokes but that's exactly what you're doing here. Once again you expect the world to make special exceptions for you.

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>>113545

There is definitely some dialectical materialism here

TF2 basically invented micro transactions and it's all about fucking hats

Trump won because he had his stupid hat meme

90s kids were cool partly do to the backward cap

People only recognize incel because of their fedora. Otherwise they're just overworked NPCs rotting in a wagie cagie

Hats carry power

I should start wearing a hat in my videos. Maybe get me a Rastafarian hat and pin that says too cool for this planet


 No.113614

>>112853

>right wing dipshit gets cornered and BTFO

moar


 No.113640

>>113459

So did heavy industry.




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 No.113469[Reply]

What does it say about me that I consider myself an illegalist? Does it make me an individualist anarchist? Or a mutualist? Essays would be appreciated if relevant.

 No.113516

You’re a lumpen


 No.113561

Who would anyone else know what you mean when you call yourself an illegalist?


 No.113636

>>113469

Illegalism is a praxis, not an ideology on its own.




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 No.112475[Reply]

>fascism is OK if we add 'bol' and a hammer and sickle

NazBol is not leftism, it's a retarded 'ideology' that calls reactionary ideas leftist. Nationalism is not leftist. End of fucking story. Get rid of it.

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 No.113615

>>113610

Alright just one thing:

>It's "Workers of the world, unite!", not "Workers in the same country, and same country alone, unite!" Capitalism is a global system, and it requires global resistance.

You do realize global resistance is possible while still being divided yet cooperating right?


 No.113620

>>113615

Are you suggesting people who don't want to live with foreigners will cooperate with foreigners? I don't think so.

The same reasons and rationale for why foreigners shouldn't immigrate will be used to explain why we shouldn't cooperate with them.

Think about it this way, if I don't want to share an apartment with someone cause they're Muslim/black/different, why would I then go and hang out with this person? First of all, the other person will tell me to go fuck myself because I told them they can't live with me, but now I want to hang out. They would be right to reject my offer.


 No.113622

>>113620

Foreigners who don't want to live with foreigners will cooperate with foreigners who don't want to live with foreigners.


 No.113625

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>>113195

In the first world your best bet is the nazbol and anprim edgelords

Pic related


 No.113626

>>113610

here's the unfortunate fact:

downtrodden workers won't support politics that make their conditions worse, or that they see as making their conditions worse. appeals to an abstract global working class won't ever convince the majority: improvement in material conditions will. a liberal immigration policy has to come at the very least with high levels of guarantees of investment into social cohesion and systems that will be strained by mass immigration such as housing and infrastructure.

the workers aren't obliged to support communists, if the communists don't have their material interests and the improvement of their lives in mind and action.

>But, by realising that all Humans are one species then big changes in how we operate can be made.

this is idealism, and already has been the idea behind socialist (and before that liberal) universalism for a long time. liberal universalism is of course just bourgeois universalism - but even that is under duress by the effects of globalisation.

>regarding the immigrant crisis, we don't ask "what can we do stop it?" but "what can we do to help our fellow man?". Answers to the former will yield drastically different solutions than the answers to the latter.

the most functional answer is the same to both: stop the preconditions of mass migration - capitalism and western adventurism. both are done by organising the workers in the centre of global capitalism.




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