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For fucks sake, get an autistic burger mod to cover the burger mornings.

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I started reading Thomas More's Utopia recently and was wondering if we could get a thread going about left wing literature. Anyone else read this and have thoughts on the book? Can it be considered proto-socialist?

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check out the sections on fascism and soviet union

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I am not a left-leaning person at all, but I am here to ask about something.

After yesterday's Zizek vs JP debate, Zizek mentioned how there is no influence of cultural Marxism in the contemporary world. This got me thinking, what is it that we are observing right now of PC culture then if Zizek thinks it is not cultural Marxism?

A quick Google search says that cultural Marxism is a revolutionary leftist idea that traditional culture is the source of oppression in the modern world, which seems to be inline of what the right describes as leftists creating a parallel of class warfare in identity politics. However, I found this to be very one-sided, so that's why I am here to ask you guys, what do you believe cultural Marxism is? How influential is it in the modern world? How does it relate to individual freedoms? Do you even think individual freedom like freedom of speech to be necessary? I define freedom of speech as having no legal consequences from speech, with the opposite being any form of a secular or not version of blasphemy laws.

I know that cultural Marxism has nothing to do with the concept of class warfare that Marx expresses, but the reason Marxism is linked is because of how it mirrors the class warfare struggle with expressing culture as oppressed vs oppressor.

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>implying any of the sophist liturgical masturbators actually held coherent positions other than "give me tenure track, journal space, speaking engagements, and book deals."



You’re just mad you’re not a porky. Jealous much?



Social justice is not even PoMo. It is every bit the "grand narrative" that continental philosophers claim to repudiate. None the less, it gets peddled in the very same humanities departments that push Foucault, Derrida, and the like.



That comeback is so weak that it aspires to be argumentum ad hominem.



I don’t speak Latin, retard

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>tfw /doomer/ is higher than /leftpol/ in terms of users for the first time

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Look its a picture of ( ( ( your ) ) ) relatives



That's right. Does that make you feel cool and edgy?



>Ethnic Jew


Pasty white Europeans with less Ashkenazi DNA than Adolf Hitler.


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Oh yeah, that happened just before pic related.



Sorry Jew but those aren’t my ancestors

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ITT - Questions/Topics that don't warrant knocking a thread off page 15. If you think it'll start a long reply chain, make a thread.

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A radical leftist parallel to a status-quo warrior? Or do you mean generally some kind of "thought leader" like Peterson but for the left and targeting young women? Because I don't know of any but would like to.


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What is "radlib" supposed to mean? There's nothing radical about the people it is used for, not from a materialist point of view anyway. Maybe some retarded reactionary would believe that not being able to say nigger is the end of capitalist society or whatever the fuck they believe the existent is but for anyone with a functioning brain, radical liberalism will be an oxymoron. Please make up a more accurate slur.



I believe it's sarcasm but I personally use "red lib" instead to mock liberals larping as revolutionaries.



It's sarcastic. Being a radical and a liberal is an oxymoron, but these people (Chapofags, breadtube, etc) are actually trying to fuse surface-level socialist ideology with liberal ideology they got from their upbringing/socialization. It's purely mocking in the same way that "social justice warrior" mocks wokescolds.



Lots of buzzwords, little substance. Room temp i Q

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What do you think about the IRA? Or just the Ireland and Northern Ireland in general?


Nationalism and religion are stupid.


Nationalism is great religion is stupid.


Based and Nationalistpilled. All anti-border NWO goons should be shot

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Are there any Marxist thinkers that aren't materialists or is that a contradiction in terms? I read pic related, and I found many of the points of view interesting, particularly about alienation, but I'm not on board with the historical materialism. It's fairly obvious to me that God and the supernatural exists, though I think they are susceptible of a critique as well. Kafka's deconstruction of God's providential order in the Trial, the Castle etc is brilliant, imo, and has the virtue of not evading the problem by just rejecting the existence of God, angels etc. Are there any Marxist inspired works critiquing religion without rejecting the basic assumptions (e.g. God exists, supernatural realms exist, spiritual discipline are efficacious etc)? Let's say, for example, a critique of God, but one that accepts he exists.

I'm not very well schooled in leftist thought, so please be patient with me -__-

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Also I'm not familiar with the frankfurt school but I heard some of them also wrote about spirituality bu that's something you'd have to check on your own.



Yeah I think one of them has a "theses on occultism" or something where he basically claims occultism is infantile, but I haven't read it yet


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I'll try to help you op but I don't think I can.



Here's a blog post made by a guy who wants to call himself a Christian Marxist, but he basically boils it down to

-Historical materialist analysis of the Bible, ergo the same can be applied to all spirituality

-Believing Marxist socialism has to come before communism like Marx did instead of "anarcho communism" like most Christian communists do

Ultimately that's it and someone else also cites Reinhold Niebuhr as someone to look into but I can't confirm that he is someone worth looking into.

There is also Buddhist Maoism if that's of any relation



However the book itself "Maoism and the Buddhist Philosophy of India and China" on it's own is non existent outside of India for me at least, the author himself (If this is even him) is hard to find as well


Remember how I said "if that's even him"

Honestly I have no clue if it is, he could also be well known Maoist N. Sanyal of the same first name or Binayak S. of the same last name or both, I have no fucking clue.

But I'm wholeheartedly uncertain of anything.

Honestly finding Marxist analysis on anything these days that aren't just shitposts or video essays is hard enough on it's own.

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The Dead Sea Scrolls are prob the most revolutionary early Jewish document. They're of a millennial and apocalyptic flavour.

But they're not particularly suggestive of 20c. Bolshevism. There's nothing for example about seizing control of the Roman state through a vanguard party .

> ( ( ( Saul of Tarsus ) ) )

A Hellenised Jewish businessman, whose thinking would become most influential in the Christian church *after* the defeat of the Jewish revolt against Rome of 66-73AD.

>It was meant to first enslave the go.yim spiritually, and then to destroy all belief within them at all.

I can see where you're going with this. But again, mainsteam (rabbinical) Judaism didn't develop from the most revolutionary Jews, as above writing the Dead Sea Scrolls, holed up in the Qumran monastery, or the cult of the Zealots, from the bandit-inhabited desert. It was basically a continuation of the conservative tradition of the Pharisees.

Pic related of Jewish irregulars fom Neil Faulkner, Apocalyspse:The Great Jewish Revolt Against Rome AD66-73


>It's fairly obvious to me that God and the supernatural exists, though I think they are susceptible of a critique as well.

Tbh I wouldn't look to Marxism for that critique OP. I'd just read up on gnosticism. pics related from Kurt Rudolph, Gnosis:The Nature and History of Gnosticism.


>most religions basically turn man into the lickspittle of God.

It's inevitable to some degree with the gods, imho. It's just a trade. 5,000 years ago you'd burn some grain or meat on the fire, mutter a prayer, and hope for something back. Not that much has changed. People go to church, or join a witches' coven or whatever, because Post too long. Click here to view the full text.



I don’t read Hebrew, sorry Jew

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>disables Tor posting

>wonders why board dies within a week

No mods no masters

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>muh sex scandal taints one of the best anti authoritarian tools

Beat it radlib



>muh sex

Back to /trannypol/



>believe the victim unless it's a man being falsely accused by feminazis


6/10 bait, needs more leadup.



You're not a leftist, you're a pathetically fragile little boy. Take off that flag.



Fuck off radlib

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>Bwahahahaha, what "real threat"?

Scroll up. We are talking about the so-called Gilded Age. The threats in question were the bolsheviks, the IWW, and the Second International.



>The threats in question were the bolsheviks, the IWW, and the Second International.

None of which exist as a serious threat to capital in any capacity nowadays



And, surprise! Reformists are not getting any of the concessions that they like to take credit for anymore.


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>I wonder, could that possibly be because "both" "sides" of the "debate" on mass economic immigration are monopolized by neolibs their and shills attempting to distract from solutions (decreased quotas for legal visas, and anti-employer/consumer penalties for abusing illegal labor) that actually work?

With a name like "United Constitutional Patriots" I'm fairly certain it's because of nationalism.

>Or we could do both, like last time when we successfully instituted protectionism, terminating the Gilded Age as part of a formulated political program by organized labor. Reformism and direct action are not mutually exclusive.

>Interesting that it did the exact opposite last time, creating the greatest period of prosperity in history, until divisions within the left caused organized labor to collapse in the 1960s.


If you think bourgeois political organizations and reformist labor unions embracing nationalism is actually good and that the post WW2 era is something to aspire to then perhaps calling you a socdem might be too generous.

>No, he did endorse it

Nope, he analyzed it but he didn't say anything like "lol just immigrate to industrial centers to destablize shit lmao".

>Socialism has no necessary relationship either way with government. Whereas, the overall state of the labor market (including low barriers to transnational regulatory and human rights arbitrage) has an ironclad, mechanical relationship with the effectiveness of organized labor action.

This is an awfully long way to say nothing. Being poor enough to work for less doesn't make a scab, if you've expanded scab that far beyond its proper use as "strikebreaker" then you've reduced the term to absolute meaninglessness because virtually every labor movement and revolt in history would have been led by scabs. There's also no evidence that immigrants have been used to break actual strikes, which makes the insistence on calling them scabs all the more confusing.

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>Do not think that just because there is a demand for a particular use-value that production must rise to meet it.

If one porky doesn't take advantage of a market, they will be bowled over by other porkies willing to do so. As historical examples of market regulations from the piddling to the severe repeatedly illustrate, "capital flight" is a myth, because there is no honor among thieves.

>peasant farming

Hardly what I'm suggesting. Just something more local, with lower externalities, better conditions, and more mechanization.

>most cannot afford to pay

Maybe if they had better compensation, such as direct and indirect income from decently paid domestic agricultural fieldwork and processing jobs, that would be within peoples' reach?


>as a share

The same trends were true of absolute, as well as relative, numbers. WWII had basically no effect on the US economy until well after declaration of war, due to the unimportance of trade, and the historically unprecedented improvement in material conditions for the American working class were the result of hard won reforms enacted in the '30s.

>Of course, you would need to have those in place before your anti-Big Government plan goes into effect.

The two acts are one and the same. As people shift away from government services to direct structures of mutual aid, government withers away. Help from legal reforms consist of removing barriers, placing incentives, and providing protections to such activities.

>"anti-capitalist" turd position

>The state serves only the ruling class.

Are you attempting to compare parliamentary reformism to the retarded class "collaborationism" of the fascists? This isn't working with capital to reach compromises, this is fighting the influence of capital in every avenue within our reach, and expressing the power of labor through every conduit of consequence. To ignore Post too long. Click here to view the full text.

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It hurts to watch this girl fall for the same trick again and again. How can we make her read Bookchin?

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Oops, simmer down with that idpol there


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extremely based



>implying porky doesn't own all the silica refining plants, battery manufacturing plants and their associated rare earth mines

Capitalism destroys everything it touches. You can't just invent a new consumer product to get around it, the ENTIRE system must be fought. The only time the system was seriously challenged was in 1939, when the government spent billions of dollars on nuclear energy due to wartime demands. It literally took WW2 to give us our first serious alternative to fossil fuels, it'll take a workers' revolution to actually implement it.


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>silica refining plants, battery manufacturing plants and their associated rare earth mines

Those are, except for increases in capacity and a small amount of systemic inefficiency, non-recurring costs. Electric cells and motors can be and are recycled endlessly. In comparison, nonsustainable systems such as nuclear (inb4 plutonium breeders, there are numerous security, engineering, and safety reasons they're a terrible idea that has achieved zero traction in the energy sector) consume and irreplaceably destroy fuel from rapidly depleting finite reserves.

And that goes without saying that systems which require exotic materials or manufacturing techniques have well proven alternatives for most applications. For instance, in the case of solar, there are concentrated thermal systems, which while somewhat less efficient than PV, require less exotic manufacturing and can provide combined-cycle heat, making them a good fit for utility-scale solar. And for batteries, there are unitized reversible fuel cells (a.k.a.: flow batteries). Instead of requiring linear increases in the size of expensive and heavy cell stacks in relation to energy storage, they require only enough cells in the stack to achieve maximum power, with storage occurring separately using simple external tanks of arbitrary size. Further, if only brief spikes of maximum power are needed, external capacitors can further reduce the necessary size of the fuel cell's stack (also, note that in spite of the impression generally given by the media, fuel cells can use any battery chemistry including L-ion or NiMH, not just hydrogen-oxygen).

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Happy 149th Birthday Ilyich.

С праздником, друзья и товарищи.

Ленин жил, Ленин жив, Ленин будет жить.

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This has to be all I have



Lenin looks like Tony Iomi in that second image.


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>can't win democratically

>do coup instead





>trying to have democracy in the middle of a civil war

Kek. Anyway, the right people the proletariat voted bolshevik.


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The only fash trash were the whites, who many of the "S""R"s eventually aligned with.

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Theresa May told to resign as prime minister in 'a matter of days'

Backbench Conservative MPs will meet on Tuesday afternoon to discuss plans to force Theresa May out as prime minister "within a matter of days," as anger over her decision to delay Brexit boils over.


New police crackdown in France as Macron to announce further austerity cuts

As French President Emmanuel Macron is set to announce new social attacks on the working class in a speech on Thursday, the government is stepping up its police crackdown against social opposition and “yellow vest” protesters opposing social inequality.


Silent and powerful: Nuclear underwater drone carrier set afloat – Russian MoD

The Russian Navy’s largest submarine designed to operate nuclear-tipped underwater drones, considered by experts to be a “retaliatory weapon,” was set afloat in Russia’s White Sea, according to the Ministry of Defense.


Netanyahu calls for new Golan settlement named for Trump

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he wants to name a new settlement in the Golan Heights after President Donald Trump out of gratitude for the White House’s recognition of Israeli sovereignty over the territory.

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Bernie Sanders slams Netanyahu's government as 'racist'

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) on Monday decried the government of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as racist, saying Jerusalem treats Palestinians "extremely unfairly."



Leader of armed group at U.S. border boasted of assassination training: FBI

The head of an armed group that stops migrants who cross the U.S.-Mexico border illegally allegedly boasted of training volunteers to kill former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, an FBI agent said in court papers.


Prosecutor: Greed fueled college basketball coaches’ bribes

A scandal in which college basketball coaches were bribed to steer NBA-bound players to favored agents and money managers was motivated by greed, a prosecutor told jurors Tuesday — before defense lawyers criticized the case as an FBI-led setup.


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>Leader of armed group at U.S. border boasted of assassination training: FBI

>The head of an armed group that stops migrants who cross the U.S.-Mexico border illegally allegedly boasted of training volunteers to kill former President Barack Obama and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, an FBI agent said in court papers.

This wild wild west boomer white pramilitarism is cool shit idgaf what any of you say



May Day 2019: Against Landlord, Boss, & Jailer!

Across so-called North America, anarchists, autonomists, and anti-authoritarians will be taking part in actions, marches, rallies, gatherings, and events in celebration of May 1st and as part of a broader struggle against the current system of domination, exploitation, and control.On every level, the need for a swift break with the current system of industrial capitalism is needed. From the mounting threat of climate change and the rampant disasters that is it bringing down upon us, the State’s creation of mass “sacrifice zones” from Flint, Michigan to Puerto Rico, the proliferation of mass detention, prison slavery, police killings, and widespread surveillance, the deepening of the housing crisis and gentrification, and the accelerating class war heightened by the rise of the gig economy, AI, and automation technology.


The Monroe Doctrine is Back, and as the Latest US Attack on Cuba Shows, Its Purpose is to Serve the Neoliberal Order

In November 2013, then-Secretary of State John Kerry declared: “The era of the Monroe Doctrine is over.” The reality of Obama administration policy did not entirely support this assertion; there was the executive order against Venezuela in 2015, support for the coup in Honduras in 2009, and ominously close ties with right-wing governments across the region. But with other more encouraging steps such as the normalization of relations with Cuba and the (belated) show of support for the Colombian Peace Process, there were at least some modest steps towards greater mutual respect for national sovereignty in the Hemisphere. Then came the unexpected election of Donald Trump. Though throughout his election campaign he expressed a preference for US isolationism and opposition to senseless war, once in office he appointed the very neoconservative war hawks he had earlier criticized for engineering such foreign debacles as the disastrous invasion of Iraq. His appointments to hemispheric policy posts have been the least encouraging, with figures Post too long. Click here to view the full text.


I'm still fucking flabbergasted that this anti-semitism campaign has been anywhere near as effective as it has been at stymieing Labour. Thought Labour members were a little more woke on this shit.



>Thought Labour members were a little more woke on this shit.

lmao, no. If your worldview (like most liberals and leftists) is built on the assumption that claims of racism (and its anti-jewish extension) are only thrown about in good faith, and not weaponised by idpol types to bludgeon others into supporting their politics, this is the natural conclusion.

That is, an endless, draconian purge of phantom "antisemites" that will never, ever, satisfy the people crying antisemitism - in fact, it will only encourage them ("if Labour wasn't filled with antisemites, why are so many members being purged over antisemitism?")

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Everyone here has, at one point or another, experienced a very insidious form of weaponized idpol: that it's politically incorrect to call a man a man and a woman a woman, and that one ought to refer to a stranger as "they/them" until the person being addressed volunteers a preferred pronoun.

What is the main argument for "they/them" as a singular pronoun

– that is the use of "you" as a plural and singular pronoun both –

"you" originally referred to a group of people OR a single elite

Very simply, we must refer to individuals who are Proletarian using the term "thou" which was, at one point in time, a politically incorrect form of address. ( In fact, it was SJWs who eradicated thou from our lexicon.) This is similar to how the queers reclaimed the word queer. Using the term "Thou" to refer to a fellow proletariat is a double-blow against the radical liberals in our movement : it is a class-aware pronoun with historical support and thus is an infinitely more accessible linguistic construct than "ally" or "comrade" to refer to the in group, and it is a subtle affront against the tricksters trying to pervert everyone into becoming a "them"


>conflating linguistic gender and identity gender

You do know that most people don't have a problem with this and laugh at anglofags, right?


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Referring to everyone as "it"

Humans are toilets


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>final solution to they/them gender problem

pic related

trannies don't deserve better



Holy fucking shit, fuck off back to /pol/ and kill yourself, you stupid fucking faggot


You too, and take off that goddamn flag. You're not a social anarchist, you're an authoritarian LARPing piece of shit

I'm a straight cis male btw


All this pronoun shit is very useful. It is an extremely expedient method of determining when to leave a group and who to abandon to the boots of fash.

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>Synth-pop musician John Maus has an agenda. He is knowledgeable about experimental classical music (Arnold Schoenberg, John Cage etc.) but is also steeped in continental philosophy. His decision to work in the pop-music idiom is informed by his philosophical training: “I take seriously this claim of Gilles Deleuze… that perhaps it’s our task as artists to make intensive use of a major language.” Maus considers pop to be both a major language and something of a singularity within music history because it for the most part does without thematic development and major/minor tonality- the staples of western music, which is to say that now both “experimental” music and pop music have cast aside musical conventions and, as such, either might be an exemplary idiom for a political radical to be working within. A great pop performance leads to a sense of atavistic recognition between audience and performer, while experimental music becomes a contest in elitist one-upsmanship. In other words if you want to express yourself, write a three chord anthem, not a twelve-tone row. I’m not persuaded by this argument, partially for the same reason as milo: it disregards black music.

>When John Maus talks about experimental music and conflates it with elitism, he is speaking exclusively about white classical composers. Avant-Garde jazz groups like the Art Ensemble of Chicago and the Sun Ra Arkestra are coming from a similar place as Maus but create better, more politically dangerous music; his argument seems to hinge upon an ignorance of experimental black musicians. Both the Art Ensemble and the Arkestra play music that expresses black consciousness and identity, and the volatility therein. The Art Ensemble’s catch phrase is “Ancient to the Future”; often on stage some members would wear tribal war paint while trumpeter Lester Bowie wore a lab coat. Their work contains the entire spectrum of African Diaspora musics, rock elements and the clatter of found percussion instruments, all subservient to the purgatorial wail of the blues. This melting pot aesthetic doesn’t lead to an atavistic music, where distinctions between white and black experience fall away. The breaking down of musical and cultural boundaries in search of an underlying unity ends with the abortive and sneering conclusion that existence itself is a boundary; the Art Ensemble’s mastery of jazz, classical, rhytPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Ew, black metal.


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Thanks. And also with you. Amen.



>while experimental music becomes a contest in elitist one-upsmanship. In other words if you want to express yourself, write a three chord anthem, not a twelve-tone row.

1) Wouldn't that idea be a classist idea? It implies that only the ruling capitalist class can know the complicated roots of music, but these can be learnt easily even by a proletariat (of course maybe Congolese children or children in sweatshops can't learn these complicated artistic ideas because of their poor conditions) in a Western country.

2) If you think about it art is often an means of expression for people, that means that often lower class people can express themselves better and can be more individualistic thanks to more complicated artistic ideas

3) Often many artistic ideas are traditional and come from a popular or lower class, therefore often complicated artistic ideas come from a mix between popular music. For example many instruments were built by common people like African tribes built bongos or Caribbean people made the steel pans or Indigenous american flutes; or take for example the fact that many instruments like mandolin and harmonica are now common instruments that have been played by upper and LOWER CLASSES, but are very complicated instruments to play.

Art can be simple or complicated, it's a form of expression in which people from all backgrounds put time and effort into and it's something that is often developed by upper and lower classes




What does that term even mean?

>If you think about it art is often an means of expression for people, that means that often lower class people can express themselves better and can be more individualistic thanks to more complicated artistic ideas

Except that the lower classes tend to only create music based on simple systems like the pentatonic scale and basic chord progressions. The argument that complexity is inherently more expressive is, I believe, based on a false assumption, namely that expression is some quantifiable substance that requires a greater container to carry more of it.

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Has anyone else here just stopped denying the porky trick of bringing up seemingly ludicrous amounts of deaths

>muh 13 million Chinese

>muh 3 million Kampucheans

>muh six gorillion Jews

>muh 260 million Russians

>muh 6 million Hohols

I’ve come to the conclusion that it doesn’t matter how many communists killed, communism stands as


I was recently talking with some normalfag who threw that line at me and I responded


The boomer was BTFO epic style, left speechless by my verbal manuevers.

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>He literally gave Jews the world

>Implying they didn't have it already.

Why do you think he was so asshurt at them? Because he was right the Jews already ruled the world. Even if the Holocoaster didn't happen (Which it did even if it was just a few Jews dying from the excitement of the rollercoaster to Auschwitz) the Jews would have still used all previous "Holocausts" to their advantage.



>that's why Hitler is the biggest joke of the 20th century

Hitler is literally one of the greatest men who have lived in the past two thousand years, it doesn’t matter if he ultimately failed. Better to live one day as a lion than a lifetime as a sheep.

>he literally gave the world to the jews by attempting to destroy them

If you knew anything about Hitler and what he believed the Jews already had a stranglehold on the world pre-WWII



a retarded tweaker who accomplished nothing



By that logic neither did Marx, or Stalin, or Bakunin. The man wrote a book and created a political ideology regardless of what you think of it or him, don't be autistic.

He was a tweaker though that's for sure.




I'm often perplexed by what exactly fascies think they gain by denying the holocaust. Do they think that somehow makes Hitler sympathetic? He got millions of Germans killed in a pointless, unwinnable war that obliterated the German infrastructure.

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