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File: 1d63d1c025d9826⋯.jpeg (657.91 KB, 1150x2005, 230:401, AD0E875F-9DB0-4E4F-88C7-8….jpeg)

 No.71699

>reading /fascist/

>see a /LeftyFash/ thread (>implying that is a thing)

<PROLES ARE ANIMALISTIC AND POOR OF THEIR OWN FAULT. MUH HANDOUTS

Why are fascists such bootlickers?

 No.71701

File: 9437da7e31e85b4⋯.jpg (26.58 KB, 387x533, 387:533, purepol.jpg)

>>71699

>Why are fascists such bootlickers?

They're submissive faggots who want a daddy to protect them from whatever they're spooked about.


 No.71759

File: 74b9e22826bb4bd⋯.jpg (20.08 KB, 284x430, 142:215, male_fantasies.jpg)

"Parasites exist at every level of life."

This reminds me of something Roger Griffin said about Nazis, referencing Klaus Theweleit who wrote the book "Male Fantasies."

"He explores the way the Nazi mindset – and again we're talking about hardcore Nazis here – can be explained in terms of a little island of vision, duty and idealism surrounded by an ocean of threats. Women, the crowds, communists, chaos, fun, children; everything, basically. These people he says were not psychologically born … so they only felt real in a uniform. Please ladies here, be aware of men who only feel real in a uniform."


 No.71760

>>71759

*beware not be aware


 No.71774

>Owners and workers are part of the nation.

>moral vs immoral

Are these what the Stirnerfags call call "spooks"

One major reason why fascism is garbage is the concept of "class collaboration". Why the fuck should the proletariat work together with the bourgeoisie when time and time again its been proven that the upper classes are only in it for themselves and will screw over those less fortunate for their own benefit, both at home and abroad.


 No.71775

File: 52afc694a3d3703⋯.jpeg (152.2 KB, 1000x447, 1000:447, 4CB9077A-810C-4D19-B10A-A….jpeg)

>>71774

>Are these what the Stirnerfags call call "spooks

Yes


 No.71778

>>71699

>Hurr durr just give everyone an equal share, it's not people will revert to their animal nature and take advantage when they think they can get away with it.


 No.71786

>>71699

If they hate poor people then what is leftist about them? I imagine that they're not racists but still believe people of different races should not coexist and that is still quiet rightwards

>>71759

This post is a very insightful version of >>71701 and that's both amusing and disturbing.


 No.71793

>>71786

Thanks. Griffin is pretty much The Man when it comes to understanding what fascism is IMO.

Quote is from this: https://hooktube.com/watch?v=xguZg16-nvM


 No.71797

>>71786

>If they hate poor people then what is leftist about them?

That guy came in and starting arguing in favor of class collaborationism and calling the poor animalistic. He got more backlash than I'd expect from a board like /fascist/


 No.71799

File: cfc397ee8b4ce2b⋯.jpg (56.29 KB, 800x600, 4:3, radleft.jpg)

>>71786

>This post is a very insightful version of >>71701 (You) and that's both amusing and disturbing.

It's not surprising though, fascists seem to be petit bourgeois both afraid of the "international elite" exploiting them and of the "savage masses" taking their shit. It's a perpetual victimhood driven by paranoia, and we see this play out with the meltdowns over antifa or soros and ensuing accusations of other fascists and fellow travelers being sabotagers.


 No.71837

It's interesting to go over there and see the head of Vanguard America trying to recruit people. Using his real name too.


 No.71869

>>71837

Ew a namefag, they've fallen so far from the ideas of the chan, now they think its their personal boomer fascist army subreddit.


 No.71870

Reading /fascist/ more they seem like young, sheltered geeks. I want to go in there and tell to stay away from these groups for their own sake and their own sense of self-preservation but what's the point?

There's a thread where they're talking about American groups and how they're shitshows, and talking about getting involved. They don't seem to understand these groups are full of psychopaths and criminals and will take advantage of impressionable young white guys who think they're too smart to have that happen to them.


 No.71873

>>71870

Replace "fascism" with "communism", and it's basically the same shit… with the major difference being that fascists don't actively attempt to sabotage their own countries because "muh accelerationism".


 No.71874

>>71873

>fascists don't actively attempt to sabotage their own countries

I chuckled a little.


 No.71879

>>71793

>>71799

We should really talk about on how to fight the pathos of fascism since it is everything that attracts fools to it.

>>71797

That's better but it's better in the same way pee is better than poo.

>>71837

>>71869

Fashes are never concerned about getting arrested because they know cops are their friends.


 No.71880

>>71874

I'm not sure why you would.

Fascism and nationalism are pretty closely related. I don't think I've ever heard of a fascist who goes "I hate my country!"

Meanwhile, your average communist burns their own country's flag.


 No.71889

>>71880

>Burns country's flag.

>Burns country.

They're the screaming kind of "nattionalism," but all the people they atttack are the citizens, and everything they tear down are the fundamental institutions.

The US' unique history rather highlights this; the person burning the flag is patriotically critiquing a government which is beholden to them, and is exclusively comprised of said critique. The person getting butthurt that someone is burning a flag is literally attacking the founding basis of the nation.

Not unlike running an anti-rape org while raping fucktons of people.


 No.71903

>>71873

At least with American groups, there is a marked presence of white-power prison gangs that emerged with the desegregation of the prison system in the 1970s. Now, these used to be largely separate from the "political groups" and a lot of the gangsters were not really ideological, although some were. And the political groups have for many years tried to keep their distance from these guys. However, the lines have gotten blurrier in the past 20 years or so.

The prison Nazis are also typically only in prison for a few years at a time: most felonies are 2-3 years and then you're out. Some of them get mixed up with the IRL groups once they're out, or they get mixed up with IRL groups and then go to prison where they seek out one of the gangs for protection. The white-power scene is full of drugs, particularly meth. Like, you'll wind up in a car with a group of these guys going to a rally, and one guy is a felon with active warrants who just-so-happens to also have a firearm on him. A lot can go wrong. Just avoid.

I'm not trying to convince anyone at this point that fascism is "wrong" because you can't change an adult's mind about anything through argument. But I can say these groups are full of creeps and bad boys and your mother will be very upset with you if you hang around them for very long.


 No.71909

>>71903

>I'm not trying to convince anyone at this point that fascism is "wrong" because you can't change an adult's mind about anything through argument.

But see, this is why you're a gigantic piece of shit.

Not once, for a single time in your miserable life, have you even contemplated the idea "What if everyone else isn't exactly like me?"


 No.71920

>>71909

>Have you ever considered that you're a gigantic piece of shit because fascism is actually awesome?

Have you ever considered that you might not have clicked on the board you thought you clicked on?


 No.71921

>>71920

Have you considered actually responding to what I said, instead of whatever fake strawman you've created for yourself?


 No.71923

>>71921

>I'm not trying to convince anyone at this point that fascism is "wrong" because you can't change an adult's mind

>Not once, for a single time in your miserable life, have you even contemplated the idea "What if everyone else isn't exactly like me?"

If you've got something other than "you're a piece of shit for thinking fascism is wrong" to say, I suggest you just, you know, actually say it.

…because mostly, what you actually typed makes it clear you clicked on the wrong forum.


 No.71929

>>71923

We're posting on the literal "communist forum".

That means you have no place saying "BUT YER AN IDEOLOGUE!"

I literally can't spell it out any more clearly for you.


 No.71931

Fascists need to study Jacotot


 No.71947

>>71909

>Not once, for a single time in your miserable life, have you even contemplated the idea "What if everyone else isn't exactly like me?"

No, I almost admire fascists in a way. I would still avoid them.


 No.71969

File: 8d6c41f55f0046e⋯.png (266.14 KB, 811x480, 811:480, 1531074155326.png)

Pic related is the original post of the thread in question.

>>>/fascist/3466


 No.71970

>>71969

cursed image


 No.71997

File: 32c9296726b057b⋯.png (150.82 KB, 560x603, 560:603, nicola-bombacci.png)

>>71970

Once you realize that antifa are the useful idiots of big business and that nationalism is antithetical to liberal globalist capitalism you'll become a nazbol, after that you'll start people like Sorel, Feder, Niekisch, Strasser, Nietzsche and others, than you'll finally realize you've turned into a fascist. By then it will be too late, you will have become one of us.

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=GdxuWq1-5qk


 No.71998

>>71997

>start people

meant to write

>start to read people


 No.72000

>>71997

or you can just not be an idealist, read marx about class interest and the class nature of the state

that there is a conflict between international and national bourgeoisie is no news, and this should be exploited. but becoming a warmongering, class-collaborationist idealist is not my idea of good praxis.


 No.72002

>>72000

I've read Marx. I used to be a Marxist. Also, read Sorel and look into revolutionary myth if you want to understand why idealism is a useful tool.


 No.72027

If you think this thread was a shitshow you should see their thread on their board “mascot” (some native / darker skinned Integralist girl). NutSac retards screaming subversion


 No.72028

File: 642ba54176933e9⋯.png (246.17 KB, 500x667, 500:667, integralist chan.png)

File: feae26e04401ec9⋯.png (451.53 KB, 632x758, 316:379, feae26e04401ec93cc491a90a8….png)

>>72027

NatSocs get shat on pretty hard around there when they act like spergs.


 No.72029

File: 7e9ebf33a876e68⋯.jpg (40.61 KB, 420x289, 420:289, molotov ribbentrop.jpg)

>>71699

/fascist/ here. You know you love us. You just don't want to admit it. <3


 No.72030

>>72029

Will they ever stop being tsundere towards us? We even surpassed them now

KEK


 No.72031

>>72029

I do admire that some of your members are more capable of basically functioning than most of the far right.

Anarchists aren't your recruiting pool, though. In fact, I'd like it if you take half these posters back.


 No.72034


 No.72047

File: cb75f0a5523ca46⋯.jpg (50.82 KB, 916x592, 229:148, tread on snek.jpg)

>>72031

We don't want anarchists (of any variety) tho.


 No.72048

>>72031

>>72047

With that said, we do like the fact that we can usually engage in conversation with you people though without it resorting to ad homs. We can at least be civil before we start putting each other up against the wall.


 No.72051

>>72048

Exactly! Even if we're literally going to walk out our front door and shoot at each other after this post - something fairly unlikely, not in the least because there are vast tracts of the earth's surface in which neither party is immediately at risk of taking over at the moment - shitting up the internet generally accomplishes literally nothing. It is useless, and tends to make the rest of life worse.

Care to take this conversation over to...

>>43105

...the containment thread with me? I have a few things I would love to ask...


 No.72058

>>72051

Sure.


 No.72066

So how are the internet fascists when it comes to ecology? I keep worrying that a far right movement will coalesce around nationalism and extermination in order to preserve resources and solve climate change (eco-fascism, a la Bookchin), but it seems that most of them don't give a shit, and are Boomer larping about bringing back the productivist '60s a bit like your average /leftypol/ Stalinist.


 No.72067

>>72066

I can't speak for all of us but I'm a fascist and I'm personally in favor of preserving the environment and stopping or reversing climate change so long as we aren't entangled in international agreements in trying to do so.


 No.72073

>>72066

Not sure about fascists but pagan nazis talk a lot about nature but usually they mean going for walks to forest and taking pictures in nsbm band t-shirts. It's shame not most of them actually do what they preach.

>>72067

How big role plays environment and protecting the nature in fascism as in ideology? I don't mean what you do now personally but as in ideology. Is fascism friendly to nature?


 No.72077

>>72066

fascism is the best ideology for ecology: when the proletariat of all nations goes to kill one another in a Struggle and Sacrifice for markets and resources the glorious nation, the slaughter will reduce the amount of people to sustainable levels again!

>>72067

but surely you must see that climate change is a global phenomenon, no? and if your bourgeois Glorious Nation chooses to limit production in favour of environmental needs it will lose out in the Eternal Struggle of arms race, military industry and thus imperialist capture of strategic resources?

>>72073

fascism certainly can be friendly to nature, just as it can be more or less anything, really. it doesn't really have a theory at its core after all. that's why its so notoriously difficult to pin down into any specific definition. I'd treat fascism as more a phenomenon, identified by combinations of distinctive features such as militarism, class collaboration, reaction, aesthetisation of politics, jingoism and expansionism, extreme idealism and so on.

Eco's Ur-fascism is one way to conceive fascism. that's actually something I'd like to ask a fascist about: what do they think of Eco's conception?


 No.72083

File: fa640f664d6cdbc⋯.jpg (18.46 KB, 208x300, 52:75, nazi_3.jpg)

Fascism can be environmentalist, sure. But I wouldn't look at fascism like a platform where you are checking boxes and rubbing your chin while going "hmm… well I like their environmental policies but gee I dunno" since there's also the whole matter with the totalitarian-genocide state. Anyways I think these are interconnected as part of the fascist drive for racial and bodily purity. The nation and race are interlinked and also have a spiritual or organic connection to the land. "Blood and soil."

A fascist state is basically a state of deranged, pathological gardeners who are always rooting up "invasive species," pulling up the weeds and digging for grubs and chopping them into little bits with their gardening tools – to use several metaphors.


 No.72113

>>71699

Because fascism is literal faggotry of the worst kind, like take the most disgusting stereotypes of homosexuality and sexual fetishism and that's fascism distilled. It's a system of beliefs related to the fascist's sexual feels and inadequacy, which is why they recruit heavily among sexual failures of every stripe. Licking boot gets their rocks off.

I got sucked into an internet forum that was going fashy a few years ago, but did a lot to keep my distance so I could break away from what was happening, and figured out the way fascism spreads based on that experience. There is absolutely no thought, no core to the ideology, just a bundle of subconscious feels and impulses that are manipulated. Fascism can only exist in service to some other ruler, it cannot stand as its own ideology for long.

Seeing fascists, and the liberals actively enabling them, is a large reason I wound up with the socialists more or less by default. I have a hard time defending socialist theory itself and don't really feel the idealistic goals, but god damn those fucking fascist animals need to be put down and someone has to do it.


 No.72134

>but they don't care about you!

So what? Why is this board so obsessed with being taken care of? And is it so convinced that nobody but world communism is up to the task?

>>71759

>He explores the way the Nazi mindset – and again we're talking about hardcore Nazis here – can be explained in terms of a little island of vision, duty and idealism surrounded by an ocean of threats

Capitalism, racism, sexism, patriarchy, oppression..

This might be true about nazi's, but it's way more true about communists who see every aspect of life as an instrument of the bourgeois/capitalism to dominate an oppress them. Like Zizek and his They Live! worldview.

>>72113

>i adopted a total ideology because i got my feels hurt on an internet forum

This is most /leftypol/ post of the month.


 No.72135

File: b7687c75759330e⋯.png (9.89 KB, 986x189, 986:189, tyrone.png)

>>72113

>Seeing fascists, and the liberals actively enabling them, is a large reason I wound up with the socialists more or less by default. I have a hard time defending socialist theory itself and don't really feel the idealistic goals, but god damn those fucking fascist animals need to be put down and someone has to do it.

Same. Charlottesville really pushed me over the edge (posting a leaked chatlog from the head Nazi in charge of transportation at that rally). They straight-up went with the intention of killing people. My attitude was "alright, this has gone on long enough. I've had it with these assholes. Now, what do they NOT want me to do? Join the socialists probably." Literally walked down to a local vigil that night for the girl killed there and found the socialists and said sign me up. Some uber-communists may look down on someone just holding a protest sign outside an immigrant detention center but fascists certainly don't like it when people do that, so I'll do that.

Though I've been more interesting in economics lately too and that has had a lot to do with it. And just generally trying to be an adult and not feeling this whole capitalism thing.

How can anyone shop for a car and deal with salesmen and still think capitalism is an efficient economic system is beyond me. It's an economic system full of sharks and they're all trying to rip each other off. It makes liars out of everyone. I don't tend to get on board with the "moralist" left usually because capitalism is amoral more than anything. There are sadists and greedy bastards in the mix but for the most capitalism just doesn't care. An old lady dies in the summer heat because she can't pay her electric bills and the A/C shuts off and it's "oh well what can you do. Shoulda paid the bills grandma. RIP." Not the kind of world I want to live in. Just call me "anti-capitalist and interested in Marx."

>Because fascism is literal faggotry of the worst kind, like take the most disgusting stereotypes of homosexuality and sexual fetishism and that's fascism distilled. It's a system of beliefs related to the fascist's sexual feels and inadequacy, which is why they recruit heavily among sexual failures of every stripe. Licking boot gets their rocks off.

So I'm gay and this is extremely true. Their aesthetics are basically on-point to some gay clubs I've been in. The fashy haircuts were popular in the gay scene a couple years before this alt-right phenomenon emerged. The tight-fitting polo shirts, etc. etc. If you took some of these groups and sent them into some of these clubs, they'd fit right in and you wouldn't notice. It's kinda awkward for me to point out but it's so screamingly obvious and there have been so many psychologically imploded, repressed gay personalities in the far right that I'm surprised other people still seem surprised.


 No.72137

>>72135

>And is it so convinced that nobody but world communism is up to the task?

Well I'm not convinced of that and I don't have giant banners of Lenin decorating my crib yet. The world is a big complicated place and everyone has a different opinion and I have no desire to impose some kind of barracks communism on everyone. But lol at being pro-capitalist. Seriously if you are like most people and make a "normal" or "regular" wage you have every reason to be an anti-capitalist because you're just getting taken to the cleaners. Fact.


 No.72141

>>72134

I never said I adopted a total ideology fucktard. I explicitly said quite the opposite. Learn to read. I know I'm expecting too much of you, but if literally mentally retarded people can eventually do it, you can too.


 No.72142

>>72137 (me)

Also, while I'm ranting, I don't care if people are racist or have copies of Mein Kampf on their bookshelves and like it. I don't care if people are homophobic. It's not my problem. You can believe whatever you want. People believe all kinds of crazy stuff. Next time you're in a Burger King and looking at the menu, for all you know the next guy in line might be imagining himself as a reincarnated field marshal who has arrived on Earth to wage a cosmic struggle against reptilian invaders from the planet Nibiru. Don't care. But if these guys start organizing and marching in step while chanting about gassing the Capitalists and "BTFO'ing the fags and trannies" with steel-toed boots, then we have a problem.

Anyways I'll check myself out.


 No.72144

>>72142 (me)

lol the k-word that refers to a particular tribe shifts to "capitalists" here. But you see what I mean.


 No.72145

>>72135

You know those haircuts that were popular in the gay scene a couple of years ago? Those come from the Hitler youth. The leather uniforms, the obsession with fitness, the worshiping of youth, the parades, the view of women as incubators for children to be raised by men.. I swear, so many gays are closeted fascists.

>>72141

Correction; you got adopted by an ideology you don't even believe in because you got your feels hurt on an internet forum. Do you feel better now?

>>72142

Sounds reasonable, though I do think you're overreacting. How much of this would be on your mind if it wasn't for the media? Is your town/community actually under threat from them?


 No.72146

>>72145

Unlike you I actually took the time to read some of Marx and some socialist literature, make the effort to understand it instead of inventing strawmen in my head like an intellectual coward. There is nothing I consider grossly wrong with Marx's philosophy. The biggest problem with the socialist movement is that many people get into socialism without really knowing what they're talking about, which is where you get shit like r/socialism or r/socialism_101 pretending to know Capital and giving newfriends wrong and bad information. That sort of thing is what makes me doubt the efficacy of the left.

Also, people don't "adopt" ideology to fill a hole in themselves if they're at all serious. We're not cowards like you looking for a daddy to fill a void in ourselves. Fascists don't even honestly believe in anything, because there is nothing to believe - they literally just read memes and are told what to think by leaders who obviously hold their cattle in contempt and laugh at them more or less openly. A fascist literally can't follow one thought into another, which is why you get shit like Evil Communist Bankers Are In Bed With Big Business and other hilarious brainworms from the Infowars crew.


 No.72149

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>>72145

>You know those haircuts that were popular in the gay scene a couple of years ago? Those come from the Hitler youth. The leather uniforms, the obsession with fitness, the worshiping of youth, the parades, the view of women as incubators for children to be raised by men.. I swear, so many gays are closeted fascists.

Could be. I see a lot of gay men over time getting involved in fascist movements. Jorg Haider died because he was driving drunk after coming home from a gay bar. Also look up Michael Kühnen (pic: at right). Ernst Roehm obviously. There are a bunch. Milo Yiannopolous, despite a lot of fascists not liking him, has clear fascist sympathies and associated with some high-profile (relatively) speaking white nationalists in the U.S., and he used the password "LongKnives1290." I believe he's a big fan of Kevin MacDonald's "Culture of Critique."

>Sounds reasonable, though I do think you're overreacting. How much of this would be on your mind if it wasn't for the media? Is your town/community actually under threat from them?

Under threat? No. And I think me overreacting would be doing something violent or criminal. Which I don't do. So while I was pissed off, I see getting involved with the socialists as a constructive alternative that is at least making an attempt – small as it is – to attack the root of society's problems rather than chasing Nazis around or doing something that would end up with me in jail.

Media plays a role of course but before the media it was lefty friends in another city that were dealing with fascists showing up at their events, and I mean actual neo-Nazis who later went to Charlottesville. This was early 2017. One showed up at a (liberal) protest and pulled a knife on people (that guy is now facing felony weapons charges for an unrelated crime). I had coffee with a friend when he was visiting and he said "these guys are getting organized" and I brushed it off at the time. I was one of these liberals who was like "oh just ignore them."

As far as Nazis in my area, nowadays they mostly just drop the occasional banner and put up stickers and flyers. People tear them down, the Nazis come back and replace them, and people tear them down again. Womp womp. I saved a couple. And actually, getting involved and looking into these groups dissuaded my fears about them quite a bit. You realize who they really are and it's a pretty grubby, tiny little outfit that creeps around at night.

They're even steering clear of the colleges now, but last year they were driving all over my state plastering them with flyers and freaking out the college students. See, they want to try to appear bigger and scarier than they are in reality. Ignoring them doesn't work but you also don't want to lose your shit or overreact because of a couple of flyers. Just tear their shit down and don't make a big deal out of it.


 No.72150

>>72146

>Unlike you I actually took the time to read some of Marx and some socialist literature, make the effort to understand it instead of inventing strawmen in my head like an intellectual coward. There is nothing I consider grossly wrong with Marx's philosophy. The biggest problem with the socialist movement is that many people get into socialism without really knowing what they're talking about, which is where you get shit like r/socialism or r/socialism_101 pretending to know Capital and giving newfriends wrong and bad information. That sort of thing is what makes me doubt the efficacy of the left.

This is exactly the sort of pseudo-intellectualism that is the hallmark of most marxist readers (who like really love reading, like the smart people do), they passively consume marxian texts as if they consist of truths that only have be revealed. As such, they always see the problem as people not knowing or understanding marxian texts, for if they did, there could be no other conclusion than knowing them to be true.

>Also, people don't "adopt" ideology to fill a hole in themselves if they're at all serious. We're not cowards like you looking for a daddy to fill a void in ourselves. Fascists don't even honestly believe in anything, because there is nothing to believe - they literally just read memes and are told what to think by leaders who obviously hold their cattle in contempt and laugh at them more or less openly. A fascist literally can't follow one thought into another, which is why you get shit like Evil Communist Bankers Are In Bed With Big Business and other hilarious brainworms from the Infowars crew.

Daddy Marx, Daddy Lenin, Daddy Stalin, Daddy Mao.. you got so many daddy's your ideology more so resembles a polyamorous gay family than a political movement. You don't see that with fascists, they have leaders, they don't have ethereal (Name-of-The) father figures who are tasked with ordering and giving meaning to the world, marxists do, and as such they always argue about what Marx meant with this or that, how Marx' words should be interpreted, what Marx would have wanted them to do.. There is only question for them; how can I be daddy's most perfect servant?


 No.72152

>>72150

>You don't see that with fascists, they have leaders, they don't have ethereal (Name-of-The) father figures who are tasked with ordering and giving meaning to the world, marxists do, and as such they always argue about what Marx meant with this or that, how Marx' words should be interpreted, what Marx would have wanted them to do.. There is only question for them; how can I be daddy's most perfect servant?

Replace Marx with Hitler and Marxist with Nazi and this will be accurate. Pure projection


 No.72153

>>72150

Wow you're a walking stereotype, you literally just proved everything I said. Way to project, boy. This is what happens when people can not into critical thinking.

Now if you want an actual argument on the bones I do have to pick with Marx's critiques, I can do that, but that's beyond your mental ability to process and I don't want to read your screeching. I've seen literal, medically diagnosed retards demonstrate more understanding than you on these matters, and they're not even particularly trying.


 No.72154

Oh also, some of these Nazis also harassed a friend of mine. This was after I got involved in socialism. The person didn't do anything to provoke them, they just zeroed in on this person and organized a harassment mob. It started online with sending harassing messages with her picture on them, and then a group of them would show up at events and workshops she was involved with the night before to put up threatening flyers. I won't name the Nazi who was doing it but he's a "known" quantity. And it was obvious who was doing it since him and his buddies were organizing it in the open on their social media accounts, and I believe someone might've contacted a lawyer who told them to knock it off – and they haven't caused any problems since.

The thing is, if you ignore them, they will just escalate because they pick on targets they perceive to be "easy." Look at the Nazis who fucked up that Roma camp in Ukraine. They will attack women and children. They will firebomb refugee houses. They don't give a damn about any of that. Timothy McVeigh considered the preschool daycare to be "collateral damage." So you can't ignore them, but if you know them you know how to deal with them without overreacting, or panicking and going into conniptions, which is what they want. Don't make it easy for them.

IMO the left should stop farming out their anti-fascism to these anarchist and self-described "antifa" groups. They should just make anti-fascism part of what they do. So if Bill the Nazi starts to cause problems and is trying to cover his tracks in the process, you can just be like "Oh hey Bill, we see you, nice try. Please fuck off back to your hole now thx. Here's a letter from my attorney." And not make a big deal out of it.


 No.72155

File: 4aadfd44b88b11b⋯.jpg (83.51 KB, 453x612, 151:204, young woman questions the ….jpg)

>>72150

>Daddy Marx, Daddy Lenin, Daddy Stalin, Daddy Mao.. you got so many daddy's your ideology more so resembles a polyamorous gay family than a political movement. You don't see that with fascists, they have leaders, they don't have ethereal (Name-of-The) father figures who are tasked with ordering and giving meaning to the world, marxists do, and as such they always argue about what Marx meant with this or that, how Marx' words should be interpreted, what Marx would have wanted them to do.. There is only question for them; how can I be daddy's most perfect servant?

but this is literally fascism, even the whole notion of truth is subject to the führer-truth and führer-subject as a condensation of the People or Nation or whatever vague-but-dramatic Capitalisation is the Real thing.

Marx is debated by theoreticians and intellectuals on the left and one is free to disagree with him, but you can't ignore him or his arguments or claim that he said something he didn't.


 No.72156

>>72155

Fascism is projection.

It's the same deal with what the anti-Semite says about Jews. They always attribute these sneaky powers onto the Jews, who are always worming their way in to other groups and manipulating things and setting people against each other, and what do fascists do? They form conspiracies, engage in entryist tactics, "memetic warfare," or seeking out token minority groups to try and pit them against each other. They are the Jews they despise.


 No.72157

File: 04ca3df825a96be⋯.jpg (186.05 KB, 1024x1280, 4:5, 5751167ab9d24e66d24dbfb4f2….jpg)

>>72073

Well Hitler was an avid environmentalist. Of course he doesn't represent fascism as a whole but there's nothing in fascism that explicitly states "lets fuck up the environment yo"

>>72077

>but surely you must see that climate change is a global phenomenon, no?

I suppose we could potentially make a deal so long as it doesn't conflict with our national interests and sovereignty.

>and if your bourgeois Glorious Nation chooses to limit production in favour of environmental needs it will lose out in the Eternal Struggle of arms race, military industry and thus imperialist capture of strategic resources?

Most modern fascists aren't interested in imperialism. Imperialism was popular with the fascists of the 40s because most of those nations were former monarchies who got a raw deal after WWI, in the case of Germany, even losing territory.


 No.72295

File: aa4488b565ccf0b⋯.png (247.3 KB, 591x829, 591:829, 95D6B333-C1F3-456F-8739-A2….png)

File: 47a9e90005c8858⋯.png (201.53 KB, 769x904, 769:904, 9499C686-DB12-4F9B-82B9-2E….png)

I like their board mascot tbh. Why can’t /leftpol/ have a mascot that isn’t some remnant from /leftypol/?


 No.72345

File: a85bd8458b74f8c⋯.jpg (2.55 MB, 3000x1664, 375:208, 1455632279516.jpg)

>>72295

Because we are ethnically leftypolers who just got exiled from /leftypol/ by the current dictatorial powers and reddit userbase that arose to power over there.


 No.72447

>>72295

>Brazilian integralist

I'm not sure if they're being transparent about the fact that they're not white or they're pretending she's exotic as part of their delirium of whiteness.


 No.72450

>>72447

It pisses off /pol/acks and wards off cancer who doesn't read fascist theory.


 No.72452

>>72345

>>72295

Bullshit. We need our own mascot. Right now.I'd draw her but I genuinely cannot draw anime, I focused so much on realist art I cannot draw anime or cartoons so some other drawfag is gonna have to do it Also I've been banned just for talking about cp so I'm not investing any labor into what will inevitably become /leftypol/ 2.0 by the years end Personally I'n thinking about a short haired blonde with a Velma sweater and matching panties or short shorts, but we should leave it up to democratic vote, I'd be fine with anything as long as it's our's.

>>72450

This, most fascists are imperialist faggots who love enslaving people of color and themselves


 No.72456

>>72452

Don't get me wrong. Most of us are racialists but we aren't dumb enough to sperg over a cartoon.


 No.72476

>>72447

I don't think it's the exoticism. The BO doesn't seem to care about race that much and enjoys fucking with the /pol/ newfags


 No.72486

>>72476

He does. He just doesn't take it to autistic levels like /pol/


 No.72487

>>72450

Devilish!


 No.72509

>>72496

> if a brown anime girl gets their panties in this tight of knot.

Maybe?


 No.72598

>>72452

>>72496

Brazilian Integrelism, advocates for race mixing that's why she's brown, not every form of fascism is racist or for white people.


 No.72601

>>72598

You'd think given the leftyboards propensity for reading books they'd have read up on their opponents kek


 No.72980

>>72345

Artist?


 No.73009

>>72598

>Brazilian Integrelism, advocates for race mixing that's why she's brown

>fascism advocating race-based relations including forced interracial relations

Who would've thought?


 No.73014

File: 62ff1a4cc4b419c⋯.jpg (72.03 KB, 850x400, 17:8, MussumOnRaess.jpg)


 No.73015

>>73014

Fun fact; Italians respected and admired Ethiopians after their war because of the Ethiopian's patriotism, honorability and civility.


 No.73017

>>73015

Didn't stopped Italians from gassing them


 No.73205

>>72601

/leftypol/ only pretends to read books


 No.73207

File: 219cd89b8597d53⋯.png (568.8 KB, 788x753, 788:753, 219cd89b8597d53fbeafb4046c….png)


 No.73214

>>73207

It's true tho. Read Wilhelm Reich.


 No.73219

>>73214

William Reich was a Chad pervert that saw sexual themes in everything. Seems to me that its projection on his. Really its quite funny seeing you retards over intellectualize everything, I'm sure all the faggots supposedly gassed in the holocaust were secretly members of the Nazi party.

>Suppression of the natural sexuality in the child, particularly of its genital sexuality, makes the child apprehensive, shy, obedient, afraid of authority, "good" and "adjusted" in the authoritarian sense".

Is this really the guy you want to be citing?


 No.73224

>>73219

Yeah Reich is a bit too woo-woo for me. He also built an orgone machine I think.

If anyone asked me for book advice (which they aren't) on fascism I'd start with Stanley G. Payne's 'A History of Fascism: 1914-1945.' It's basically the best single volume treatment on it hands down and covers all the major groups in detail and some of the obscure ones in the smaller European countries.

Roger Griffin for heavier, theoretical stuff.

Then Klaus Theweleit for psychoanalyzing fascists. Griffin too for that.


 No.73225

>>72113

Good post TBH.


 No.73235

>>73219

There's nothing wrong or perverted about children enjoying their sexuality by themselves and with other children of their own age group of their own volition. The only point where it could be perverted is if adults were involved in directing or coercing such behavior to their own ends.

As mentioned earlier in this thread there have been various high profile examples of homosexuality in the NSDAP and later neofascist groups, the pair of Adi H. and Rudi H. being one of the most obvious of them. Despite the hype the NS regime did not proactively target the homosexual population any more than the regime of the Kaiser did, though their punitive measures against 'undesirables' were more severe in the general sense.

It's necessary to mention W.R. did not equate homosexuality with fascism per se in the manner that reactionary "soviet" ideologues later did. He advocated for legalization and cultural acceptance of homosexuality and merely drew the correlation between the fascist impulse and the _repressed_ homosexual impulse.


 No.73239

File: 7d2f8a947a76a4c⋯.pdf (1.33 MB, The Psychotic Left - Kerry….pdf)

>>73224

I'll read them, you read this in return.

>>73235

>There's nothing wrong or perverted about children enjoying their sexuality by themselves and with other children of their own age group of their own volition

If children are having sex with each other "and by this i mean actual children, not teenagers: there is something seriously wrong, i would assume it would be a learned behavior and evidence of sexual abuse. Children shouldn't be exposed to pornography either. Fucks with their head.

>As mentioned earlier in this thread there have been various high profile examples of homosexuality in the NSDAP

Manner of whom were either kicked out from the party, or murdered on the night of long knives. It was a crime punishable by death to be a fag and join the SS..


 No.73243

>>73239

Sexuality is an innate biological function. If it had to be taught to be none of us would exist. On the topic of pornography, imo nobody should be exposed to it. Pornography, like prostitution, is the the result of generalized sexual misery caused by the "moral" repression of sexuality and its capitalist commodification

>It was a crime punishable by death to be a fag and join the SS..

This was only instituted through the rise of the conservative influence of Himmler. Hitler publicly defended the right of Röhm to live his lifestyle in the early years, and it's pretty obvious that Adi himself was a closet homosexual. He was widely rumored to have been turning tricks when he was lodging in the berlin youth hostel which was notorious for that, and without the patronage of older gentlemen I doubt he would have been able to attend all those lavish nights at the opera. His bland art alone did not sell enough to fund such extravagance. Furthermore the inaugural meetings of the NSDAP were held in beer halls well known to be gay havens at the time. I suggest you read Lothar Machtan's book "The Hidden Hitler" on this subject.


 No.73244

>>73239

>If children are having sex with each other "and by this i mean actual children, not teenagers: there is something seriously wrong, i would assume it would be a learned behavior and evidence of sexual abuse.

My god. It's completely insane.

>notices kid humping a stuffed pillow

>manages not to REEEEE at them for hours and days on end.

I mean… I'm sure masturbation (alone or with others) is a learned behavior; it's also been observed in utero. So, I mean, did someone creep across the placenta without popping it? Are witches that powerful, or is your witch detector completely fucking broken and maybe you are the source of all that is fail?

If the former, please describe this mechanism of incorporeal transuterine child molesting in materialist terms, thanx.


 No.73270

File: 568aa157d0702ce⋯.jpg (279.76 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, very good.jpg)

>>73239

>nazi occultist calls leftists mentally ill

you can't make this shit up


 No.73273

File: 476aabcb56fe06d⋯.png (35.15 KB, 760x385, 152:77, 2007-11-13-061.png)

>>73224

"Deep" fashie theory like Reich, Evola, Eckart, von List, etc., are platinum kekworthy reading.


 No.73276

>>73273

First time I've ever heard somebody accuse WR of being "deep fash". It's hard for me to imagine what level of woke you're on, fellow person.


 No.73636

>>72083

This is an accurate description coming from a fascist gardener


 No.73656

>>73636

And when you have a bad day you can take it out on the garden.

"Take this!" *stabs at grub* "And that!" *chops at soil*


 No.73662

>>71774

This. It rarely ceases to astound or depress me how quickly ethnonats will forget Porky siding with class over nation and race every fucking time.

>>71837

link? does he know to use a tripcode?

>>71869

This, namefaggotry has no place here 90% of the time that it's used.

>>71879

>we should talk about the pathos that attracts people to fascism

agreed.

>fash don't fear the pigs

mostly agreed.

>>71889

they also bastardize their own country's culture for political purposes

>>71903

all gtk

>>71997

>Asser

pffft

>Nietzche

low-rent tryhard Stirner knockoff

>no Evola

too obvious?

>>72134

>ur tumblrina SJWs

read the faq fgt

>>72149

>gay nazis

Years ago I saw bunch of old nazi filmreels spliced together and set to the Village People, I remember it mostly as you describe: sweaty, fit shirtless young men with Supreme Gentleman haircuts, and also a heil where the wrist goes limp, never been able to locate it since. I think it was from a German talkshow or something. Your post reminded me of that.

>>72295

there tits to this yet?

>>73243

>ban porn and prostitution, they are unnatural

so are anasthesia and toilet tissue


 No.73814

Reading /fascist/ is pretty funny. They're like the hipsters of /pol/. Everyone is some arcane combination of obscure religions and ideologies, like Etrurian Neopagan Ecofalangist. It's like if we made a board exclusively for leftcoms and posadists or some shit.

At least they sound more cerebral than your average cuckposting magapede, gonna give them that.


 No.73815

/fascist/ is fun read

>Pol Pot threads (with supporters)

>anti-technology threads

>claiming everyone is a fascist (Kim, Sankara, etc)

>reading groups

>Nazbols and class-collaborationists tearing each other apart


 No.73816

>>73815

All this said, they're legitimately better than /pol/ and will actually talk with you.


 No.73817

>>73816

Fast food is better than rotten meat, that doesn't make it good.


 No.73856

>>73817

One is edible and the other will immediately make you sick and harm you.


 No.74482

File: b2f3a3140091b21⋯.png (272.23 KB, 445x357, 445:357, ClipboardImage.png)

Too much autism even for me.


 No.74489

>>73856

They will both make you sick and harm you, the best course is not eat neither and instead eat something healthy.


 No.74549

>>71759

Gang of Four: I Love a Man in Uniform

https://hooktube.com/watch?v=00tjF2ROlwE


 No.74574

>>73662

Nietzsche actually hated antisemitism and the co-option of his work by the Nazis is one of the most horrible things in the history of philosophy. You can blame his cunt NSDAP shill sister for that.


 No.74630

>>73815

This, I almost feel sorry that the board died


 No.74631

>>74574

His "political philosophy" and aristocracy dick sucking is a fucking joke though, he did write some fun stuff, but I seriously hope no person over the age of 16 funds their political convictions on a Nietzsche book.


 No.74639

File: fdcac18b380e09d⋯.jpg (30.56 KB, 1271x716, 1271:716, 911aee495b102d5cef5049b893….jpg)

>>72029

NAZBOL GANG




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