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File: 319c7e73ef56aee⋯.jpg (23.29 KB, 500x674, 250:337, whodat.jpg)

 No.99688

https://www.apnews.com/3ac69f349383457eb9ace188d18a3380

>Federal authorities have charged a New York man with building a 200-pound (90-kilogram) bomb they say he planned to detonate on Election Day on the National Mall in Washington.

>Prosecutors said he planned to use the bomb to kill himself and draw attention to a political system called sortition, in which public officials are chosen randomly rather than elected.

 No.99701

Isn't sortition part of Paul Cockshotts version of democracy. With a feedback of referendums if the member of office is incompetent?

I'll tactically support that guy out of realpolitik.


 No.99708

>Isn't sortition part of Paul Cockshotts version of democracy.

It's the version of democracy literally meant when the word was invented, AKA actual fucking democracy. The Athenians considered elections to be oligarchy.


 No.99710

>>99708

Athenian democracy was the only true form of democracy.

women couldn't participate.


 No.99735

>>99708

Sortition is fucking insipid, go talk to a random person on the street and then tell me they should be a duly elected representative. Not to mention the possibility that 51% fascists/sympathisers get selected through pure chance. The only freedom is freedom from representatives.


 No.99746

>>99710

Athenian democracy is something we must look to as proud westerners. Only landowners could vote.


 No.99747

>suicide bombing for electoral reform

lmaooo this fucking timeline


 No.99766

>>99747

Tbh, makes a lot of sense.


 No.99768

File: 2634b4bce5d9ebc⋯.jpg (9.94 KB, 261x173, 261:173, 2634b4bce5d9ebc0a0205ce298….jpg)

>Sortition is fucking insipid


 No.99770

how about..

imagine if the US has a third chamber that can submit legislation for the house to vote on whose members are picked by sortition. Anyone with at least 500 signatures from citizens of their state who submits a form can be picked. One per state, 100 at random from the whole population. they meet every semester, and their transports and time off from their jobs is paid for. Every semester they pick vote on a speaker, who acts as as a senator.

this does sound like some heavy lib idea, but it would be better than what the US has right now.


 No.99771

>>99770

btw: assume their mandate lasts 2 years, letting them have 4 meetings per mandate


 No.99772

>>99746

are you sure about that? I don't think that's true


 No.99788

>>99735

>Sortition is fucking insipid, go talk to a random person on the street and then tell me they should be a duly elected representative

You could use this very same way of thinking to argue against elections.


 No.99790

>>99746

Citizens, property owners or not, could vote, but citizens were a minority compared to the slave population.


 No.99791

>>99735

In a sortition only certain people would be eligible for selection.


 No.99793

>>99785

>drawings are people

wrong and offtopic, fuck off


 No.99797

Believe it or not but a cunning capitalist can even play that system.


 No.99809

>>99791

Who, lol? Isn't that just the same as representative democracy?


 No.99827

>>99770

Wouldn't be a proper check if all it could do is submit legislation. The third chamber needs to be able to review and vote on all legislation.




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