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File: 00b559e5c16909f⋯.png (24.39 KB, 1200x667, 1200:667, southern_nation.png)

 No.2813287[Reply]

Is there a right to political self-determination?

I'm interested in the idea of a new nation for the southern US but under a socialist framework. Given overwhelming southern support for succdems Huey Long and FDR, it appears that possibility is there.

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 No.2813618

>>2813385

The creation of the SSRs is very different from creating a separate country.


 No.2813628

>>2813385

the creation of the SSRs wasn't just due to race if that was the case then sibera would have it's own SSR there were also language differences and cultural differences


 No.2813647

>>2813618

SSRs had the right to become independent countries if they wanted to.

>>2813628

Blacks have a unique culture in the US. Also it's not like Ukrainians or Belarusians are especially different from Russians.


 No.2813650

>>2813647

>Blacks have a unique culture in the US.

Not enough for a separate country


 No.2813663

>>2813650

Countries aren't just based on culture. India has way more cultural variety within it than Germany and Austria have between them. And like I implied, the Black Belt wouldn't have to secede, just like the SSRs didn't secede.




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 No.2811573[Reply]

STOP looking for "Marxist video games."

STOP wasting your life shitposting on the internet.

STOP getting caught up in petty praxis feuds.

_______

DO get involved in your local community.

DO teach people the importance of material realities in building a functioning society.

DO become a light of commune-ism.

That is all.

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 No.2813307

>>2813293

he's autistic

>>2813242

Spinetta es el mas grande de toda latinoamerica


 No.2813469

>>2813239

>>2813214

>>2813218

>>2813224

>>2813229

Samefag brainlet anti-book gang.


 No.2813651

File: a3bebf2a72f8c35⋯.jpg (151.69 KB, 960x1280, 3:4, 1549729707249.jpg)

>not crafting the ultimate meme that will unite the left, and make the 1% pay their fair share of taxes, as marx originally outlined

Here's what i got so far. I work on it a little more everyday.


 No.2813655

>>2813651

Damn, you find that pigeon at that park?


 No.2813658

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>>2813469

Fuck books

*dabs on intellectuals*




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 No.2813558[Reply]

what is wrong being a nationalist can someone explain why? i heard you guys hate nazbols

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 No.2813698

Nationalism means war and slaughter of millions. Your culture has nothing value compared to the threat of WW3 and nuclear war. Only with international communism can we achieve world peace.


 No.2813717

>>2813696

Of course I don't agree, but it's up to them to change it.


 No.2813753

>>2813589

Multinationals are known for their generosity towards their home nations. What, you think they'd just uproot at a moment's notice just to evade taxes?


 No.2813828

>>2813558

With nationalism come with an in-group and out-group. With the in-group treated as "superior" in the most extreme and priority at minimum but no mater what it will lead to the in-group taking from the out-group, because their is the assumption that the in-group desrves it more. Like two ant colonies the in-group will take and destroy what the out-group has if the in-group has the power to do so. This is why nationalism is evil because it brain washes inequality in people and the premise of nationalism is that it is only natural to take from fellow man.


 No.2814823

"I know that there are, of course, sages who think they are very clever and even call themselves Socialists, who assert that power should not have been seized until the revolution had broken out in all countries. They do not suspect that by speaking in this way they are deserting the revolution and going over to the side of the bourgeoisie. To wait until the toiling classes bring about a revolution on an international scale means that everybody should stand stock-still in expectation. That is nonsense."

People seem to acknowledge that there are national differences and that, as a consequence, progress away from liberal capitalism isn't uniform or static. Operating as if the entire world has the ability to be international is foolish: there has never been an international 'ism' working in such concordance. The only thing that comes to mind is the great discordance with respect to the rate at which different countries decide to pollute their environments. Unifying on specialized lines doesn't mean that you don't care about the plight of other people around the world: acting as if you ought to orientate your thoughts internationally is how you show that you don't care because Vietnamese peasants won't be impacted in any meaningful capacity, regardless of whether one is 'national' or 'international'. The only way for, say, the Vietnamese be liberated is if they liberate themselves.




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 No.2717613[Reply]

>La crisi consiste appunto nel fatto che il vecchio muore e il nuovo non può nascere: in questo interregno si verificano i fenomeni morbosi più svariati.

Quest'uomo era un genio e un profeta.

Intanto, un ben noto ruffiano, procuratore di mignotte (sia femmine che maschi) d'alto bordo, ha annunciato di voler acquistare la testata de "l'Unità". Al tempo stesso, per un miserabile scazzo di natura corporativa, la "professione" giornalistica italiana organizza flesc' mobbese per le strade. Cosa di cui non si sarebbe reso conto nessuno se gli oziosi telegiornali che ci fanno sorbire tutti i giorni non avessero dato ampio spazio alla cosa. Ovviamente ben più importante dei massacri a Gaza e nello Yemen.

Più fenomeni morbosi di così!

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 No.2813049

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Hello /ita/, /arg/ here, I came by to ask you guys a question. It seems like the Communist Party of Italy was the biggest communist party in the West, having over 2 million members at one point.

What happened? How did it all die out? Italy used to have one of the biggest leftist movement and nothing ever came out of it. Why?


 No.2813077

>>2813049

When exactly would you say it began to decline.


 No.2813508

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>>2813049

It's not easy to explain why, but I'll give a few reasons

>Rift between the party and the more left-wing elements of students and workers movements

>Increased divide between white collar and blue collar workers as seen in the FIAT strike of 1980

>The "reflux". It's how it was called when many marxists stopped caring about politics in the '80s, some embraced neoliberalism.

>Eurocommunism

The crocodile tears of Occhetto killed the PCI and the entire communist movement in Italy, who gradually became more fringe. Strangely enough, this allowed all sorts of fascist thought to flood mainstream politics. That's why we have a memorial day (10th February) dedicated to the memory of all the Italian fascists killed by Tito.


 No.2813526

What was up with that "Le ebic Trump float XD" that your Right-Wing flew during a parade or some shit and all the AUT-rightists in the US / UK creamed their pants over?


 No.2813540

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>>2813526

It wasn't right-wing at all, it was a parody but /pol/acks are too retarded to realize it.

In Italy, Carnival floats have political themes all the time.




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 No.2811968[Reply]

The 'left' in israel, the labour party, was responsible for more house demolitions than the likud party, and it was responsible for the wall. The 'left' in America is hopelessly out of touch, most Americans didn't give two shits about the Venezuelan coup just now. Bernie Sanders is quick to throw around the work "authoritarian" whatever the fuck that means.

What is the problem with the western left? All they can do is, right at the moment of an American coup, give their oh-so-principled precious criticism. Why not support groups like Hezbollah that actually accomplish something?

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 No.2813501

>>2813490

Key point here resolving the primary contradiction resolves all secondary contradictions

This is what makes it the primary contradiction

Resolving secondary contradictions on the other hand does not guarantee categorically the resolution of the primary contradiction

This logic is Mao's paramount contribution to Marxist thought


 No.2813518

>>2813478

>>2813490

The Venezuelan Gambit is all the proof you need this is false. Local elites in the perifery are irreversibly tied to global capital. There is no national bourgeoisie anymore, the era of national liberation is over. Cockshott had it right, there is no anti-imperialism more effective and more pertinent then one that places labour v capital as the primary contradiction. Any revolution that fails to do so will be disrupted by local elites in concert with the Imperialist core.


 No.2813521

>>2813518

That holds true for the periphery, maybe the core, but not the metropolis.


 No.2813522

>>2813521

Elaborate?


 No.2813523

>>2813522

Living standards in the metropolis won't drop low enough quick enough, as long as it can extract wealth from the periphery for enough people to revolt.




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 No.2810027[Reply]

This shit is fucking nuts. There were low flying attack helicopters and ground troops in the heart of LA. The USA is preparing to move towards military dictatorship as well as preparing for domestic war.

"The US military conducted a series of urban warfare exercises in the city of Los Angeles this week. With little in the way of advanced warning, thousands of frightened Los Angeles residents awoke to the sound of low-flying helicopters, gunfire and explosions.

In a statement released by the US Army on Monday, the day the drills began, residents were told they may hear loud noises associated with training including aircraft and weapons simulations. Almost none of the city’s more than 4 million residents saw this perfunctory announcement or were otherwise made aware of the impending military operation in the second largest city in the United States.

The Army’s statement justified the surprise operation explaining that the army will be “enhancing soldier skills by operating in various environments and settings. The local terrain and training facilities in Los Angeles provide the army with unique locations and simulates urban environments the service members may encounter when overseas. There is no replacement for realistic training. Each location selected enables special operations teams and flight crews to maintain maximum readiness and proficiency, validate equipment and exercise standard safety procedures.”

The Los Angeles Police Department, which is coordinating with the military, publicly acknowledged the training on Tuesday while the offices of Democratic Mayor Eric Garcetti has thus far said nothing about the operation.

Residents in the Lincoln Heights neighborhood shared chilling video on social media Monday night of attack helicopters flying low in formation without lights on. Some also reported that vibrations from nearby aircraft were strong enough to shake walls and household items as if in the midst of an earthquake. One resident interviewed by NBC 4 news reported, “People ran out of the store we were at because the store was shaking. That’s how low they were flying. A woman working in a security booth ran out because shPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.2811260

>>2810654

Wouldn't be surprised, but I can help be shocked by the language of the statement. It sounds disturbingly corporate, sinister somehow.


 No.2813082

>>2810927

>Do you have a link to this? I've never heard of this part of the finders incident.

Unfortunately, since I got that screencap off a google books preview here it's changed at least for me: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zUhHDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

It starts around page 238, I don't know if the missing pages in the preview are because I read it too many times and reached a limit or if it was omitted. See for yourself if this is me running out of previews or if they actually nixed those pages in the preview.

It was a dense read because it had me cross-checking the claims with a bunch of documentaries/news reports and it turned out to be true especially the Frank Olson stuff. Probably worth buying because I got a shitload of info out of a few dozen pages. I'd get The Complete Edition, the original was '79 I think.


 No.2813154

>>2810367

>this may actually be a simulation of an attack on Caracas

It is. If the training in LA goes smoothly, they will go to Venezuela and kill people.


 No.2813165

>>2810670

If you're lending money to someone in order to make a profit, you're a capitalist, plain and simple


 No.2813485

>>2810055

I want to hear Trump say

“Welcome. Welcome to City 17.

You have chosen, or been chosen, to relocate to one of our finest remaining urban centers. I thought so much of City 17 that I elected to establish my Administration here, in the Citadel so thoughtfully provided by Our Benefactors. I have been proud to call City 17 my home. And so, whether you are here to stay, or passing through on your way to parts unknown, welcome to City 17. It's safer here.”

And

“It has come to my attention that some have lately called me a collaborator, as if such a term were shameful. I ask you, what greater endeavor exists than that of collaboration? In our current unparalleled enterprise, refusal to collaborate is simply a refusal to grow–an insistence on suicide, if you will.

Did the lungfish refuse to breathe air? It did not. It crept forth boldly while its brethren remained in the blackest ocean abyss, with lidless eyes forever staring at the dark, ignorant and doomed despite their eternal vigilance. Would we model ourselves on the trilobite? Are all the accomplishments of humanity fated to be nothing more than a layer of broken plastic shards thinly strewn across a fossil bed, sandwiched between the Burgess shale and an eon's worth of mud?

In order to be true to our nature, and our destiny, we must aspire to greater things. We have outgrown our cradle. It is futile to cry for mother's milk, when our true sustenance awaits us among the stars. And only the universal union that small minds call 'The Combine' can carry us there.

Therefore I say, yes, I am a collaborator. We must all collaborate, willingly, eagerly, if we expect to reap the benefits of unification. And reap we shall.”




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 No.2812828[Reply]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/science-environment-47198576

>A scientific review of insect numbers suggests that 40% of species are undergoing "dramatic rates of decline" around the world.

>The study says that bees, ants and beetles are disappearing eight times faster than mammals, birds or reptiles.

>But researchers say that some species, such as houseflies and cockroaches, are likely to boom.

>The general insect decline is being caused by intensive agriculture, pesticides and climate change.

>Insects make up the majority of creatures that live on land, and provide key benefits to many other species, including humans.

>They provide food for birds, bats and small mammals; they pollinate around 75% of the crops in the world; they replenish soils and keep pest numbers in check.

>Many other studies in recent years have shown that individual species of insects, such as bees, have suffered huge declines, particularly in developed economies.

>While some of our most important insect species are in retreat, the review also finds that a small number of species are likely to be able to adapt to changing conditions and do well.

>"Fast-breeding pest insects will probably thrive because of the warmer conditions, because many of their natural enemies, which breed more slowly, will disappear, " said Prof Dave Goulson from the University of Sussex who was not involved in the review.

>"It's quite plausible that we might end up with plagues of small numbers of pest insects, but we will lose all the wonderful ones that we want, like bees and hoverflies and butterflies and dung beetles that do a great job of disposing of animal waste."

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 No.2813456

>>2812845

It's probably more endangered and specialist species. Common cockroaches and black ants won't go anywhere.


 No.2813464

You can notice this because there are fewer bugs hitting your windshield on the highway these days.

Mentioned this to my mom and she went "ohh wow." I think I've noticed it too over the past 10 years but she went "you're right" when you think about driving in the 1970s versus today.


 No.2813466

File: 527e2ffb0782a11⋯.jpg (36.56 KB, 474x654, 79:109, Ant gang.jpg)

THIS IS WAR!

ANT GANG RISE UP!


 No.2813474

>>2812849

Imagine being this deluded leftypol.


 No.2813479

>>2812849

>2019

>believing in YHWH




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 No.2813003[Reply]

'Napalm girl’ Kim Phuc receives German prize for peace work

Kim Phuc, known as the “napalm girl” after a well-known photo of her from the Vietnam war, has received an award in Germany for her work for peace. Organisers of the Dresden prize say the 55-year-old, who lives in Canada, is being honoured for her support of Unesco and children wounded in war, and for speaking out against violence and hatred. She received €10,000 (£8,800).

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/11/napalm-girl-kim-phuc-prize-peace-work

Chinese authorities extract forced confessions from student activists

Over the past month, Chinese authorities have intensified their crackdown on student labour activists from elite universities, about 50 of whom have been detained. Many are members of the Jasic Workers Solidarity Group, which last year had supported workers seeking to establish an independent union at the Jasic Technology factory in Shenzhen.

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/02/11/chin-f11.html

Netanyahu Fires Back at Iran: Attack Tel Aviv and 'It'll Be the Last Anniversary You Celebrate

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responded on Monday evening to a threat issued by an Iranian commander, saying that if Iran attacks Tel Aviv, it "would be the last anniversary of the revolution that they celebrate."

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/netanyahu-to-iran-attack-tel-aviv-and-it-ll-be-the-last-anniversary-you-celebrate-1.6931595

Maduro kicks off Venezuela’s ‘most important military drills in history'

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 No.2813192

>>2813068

>>2813119

>nation states should be able to just annex regions of international waters by building artificial Islands

fuck off, no nation has the right to control who can and can’t sail on international waters. All nations have the right to sail on international waters free from harassment.


 No.2813208

>>2813192

>Rights

Rights are Spooks.


 No.2813216

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>>2813123

>”In the end, after consulting his conscience, Kirkman changes his mind and goes the military route. “He made the hard decision but the right one,” the advisor exults. “I think the president’s back.”It’s a truism in Washington as in Hollywood that military might makes the man.


 No.2813313

>>2813068

I'm pretty sure he's just roleplaying as a Trotskyist.


 No.2813439

>>2813003

>A vicious street brawl between rival “yellow vest” factions has highlighted bitter divisions among the anti-government protesters as the speaker of the National Assembly warned of a culture of violence engulfing French politics.Dozens of far Right supporters and ultra-Leftists taking part in yellow vest protests fought with fists, rocks and sticks in the eastern city of Lyon on Saturday night.

God damnit.




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 No.2805451[Reply]

Whats the best city to live in? I don't mean the more leftist city or anything but of Bookchin's ideas of civic elements, localism, good community etc.

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 No.2813070

>>2808761

Yeah but surely the people are also poor enough that the rent isn't "low" to them? Otherwise how is that possible in crisis-torn Spain


 No.2813140

Letchworth Garden City in England is pretty nice. It's not actually a city despite the name, but it's very green and well-planned. Although this is purely from an urban planning perspective, it's in Tory territory so it's likely full of old people and boring middle class types. It's also worth noting that Lenin is said to have visited it.


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 No.2813366

The best city to live in is one that has plenty of work for its inhabitants as well as being well provisioned with food, consumer goods and entertainment for the inhabitants of the city and its surrounding area.


 No.2813391

>>2805455

>right-wing nationalists

>anprim

what is this meme




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 No.2801301[Reply]

Converting Christians to communism or converting Communist to Christianity?

btw I not implying that you spend every waking moment trying to convert people I'm just curious about how non communist Christians take to Communist ideology? and vice versa.

I originally just wanted to throw this question out to christcoms but twas narrow minded of me also I couldnt be fucked changing anything but the title and wasn't sure what Jewish communist are called Trotskyist? lel jk

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 No.2812305

>>2812280

>you can't be a catholic and a socialist

Wrong. Socialism's lineage stretches to before Marx.

>you can't be a catholic and a communist

Correct. The materialist doctrine of Marx and his successors cannot be upheld along with devotion to Christ.

>>2812291

>Organized religion is banditry

<Voluntary donations is ackshually stealing

Nice hot take faggot.


 No.2812313

Reformed Islam would be the best synthesis of religion and communism. Islam has the least anthropomorphic god, a reformed Islam purified of its superstitions, of mandatory pilgrimage, with an emphasis on unicity of god (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufi_metaphysics#Wa%E1%B8%A5dat_al-Wuj%C5%ABd_(Unity_of_Existence) ) means god as a ridiculous anthropomorphic being animated with will and feelings can effectively be turned into the all-encompassing reality itself, turning it effectively into Spinoza's god, opening the way for rationalism for philosophers & encouragement of justice+charity for non-philosophers


 No.2812724

>purged of its superstitions

So islam minus the Quran then?

“Happy is he who repays the infidel for what they have done to us – he who seizes their infants and dashes them against the rocks.” – Surah 34:12

“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” – Surah 135:27

“A Wife, must submit to her husband as to Allah.” – Surah 5:22

“When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.” – Surah 21: 7-8

>>2812305

>implying donations to the churh aren't made after a thourough brainwashing session and religious guilt

>implying those donations aren't used to deprive the workers of their land

<he actually thinks churches owning capital is a good thing


 No.2813241

>>2811621

If only you knew how painful it is. But yeah, can be pretty fun.


 No.2813390

>>2812280

The Decree of The Holy Office came after Communist revolutions which were decidedly anti-christian in nature, and anti-Catholic in particular (such as the red terror in Spain), but I don't think it points to a completely irreparable and hostile disposition towards Catholicism and Communism.

I'm Catholic, I'm well aware of the Church's hostile attitude towards Socialism in the past. Yet much in the same way that it eventually came to an accord with liberal democracies, I believe that Catholicism can come to an accord with Socialism and even Communism. This is a relationship where I believe both sides committed grave faults against one another. Reconciliation and mutual understanding is possible.




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 No.2813024[Reply]

Contemporary consumer technology sucks, few products just works or follows the doctrine of Keep It Simply Stupid.

Sure computers are faster but software mostly is poorly written, bloated and spying on you. Mobile phones allow covenant communications but smart phones suffer from the same problems as computers.

But really where can they take smart phones now other then making even more bloated software to make current smart phones perform worse?

 No.2813026

>computers are faster but software mostly is poorly written, bloated and spying on you

you're using the wrong software then


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 No.2813330

And everything is built so inefficiently to use the most amount of power possible. Running IRSSI instead of Discord is the difference between 12 hours of battery life on my laptop and 1.5. Fuck new "reinvented" technology that's closed source and pulling every amount of data out about you that it possibly can.




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 No.2813182[Reply]

>The largest shift in sentiment centered on the United States, it said, with a median of 45 percent of people naming U.S. power and influence as a threat in 2018, up from 25 percent in 2013, when Barack Obama was U.S. president.

>In 10 countries, including Germany, Japan and South Korea, roughly half of respondents or more saw U.S. power and influence as a major threat to their nation, up from eight in 2017 and three in 2013, the poll showed.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-security/climate-change-seen-as-top-threat-but-u-s-power-a-growing-worry-poll-idUSKCN1PZ0QU

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 No.2813187

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>>2813186

>Compared with the United States of America, Europe as a whole denotes economic stagnation. On the present economic basis, i.e., under capitalism, a United States of Europe would signify an organisation of reaction to retard America’s more rapid development.

t. Lenin


 No.2813251

>>2813186

I personally loathe that documentary's presentation it's so over-dramatic and whiny.

>Is this another sign of a split among the western imperialist camp?

Yes. Why else would worry of the US's influence be growing when it's power is weakening? Nationalists have identified a power vacuum and they're looking to score a bigger piece of the pie.


 No.2813257

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>>2813186

the EU sucks ass though with Macaroni being a bootleg wall street banker.


 No.2813289

Will communism become the dominant system in Russia again? At the moment it is an oligarchy run for the benefit of the few rather than a socialist system run for the benefit of the many.


 No.2813301

>>2813289

United Russia has been slowly declining for a while now. If Russia becomes even more closely-tied with China the CPRF and their allies might make succeed in modeling the country more in the image of Dengism.




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 No.2803864[Reply]

It's seriously concerning, the fall of capitalism is so certain due to the tendency of the rate of profit to fall that you can't ignore it. So why do so many economists choose to do so? How do they chose to do so? Because as far as I know, their only "argument" is that technology will get infinitely better over time to combat this, and that economic growth will continue forever as a result; which is ridiculous as that violates the laws of thermodynamics

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 No.2807051

>>2803996

If it were that simple, why aren't we using nuclear power everywhere already? I don't see what the governments' motive would be against it if your narrative is true. And with infinite energy resources, that makes the infinite growth of capitalism possible, and we would never run out of resources from our planet.


 No.2807273

>>2803864

Unfortunately neolibs are completely dishonest about economic growth

>>2807051

Even if resources are infinite there are hard thermodynamic limits to growth. This limit will be reached in less than 400 years assuming a 2.3% global growth rate. At that point the waste heat generated by economic activity will heat the planets surface to 100 degrees Celsius, realistically extinction will happen far before we get to 100 degrees.

https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2011/07/can-economic-growth-last/

https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2012/04/economist-meets-physicist/


 No.2807284

>>2805069

The graph comes from a man named Guglielmo Carchedi. He recently helped create a book that goes into detail about the rate of profit. You can find it here:

http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=92D6BC29E6CED9A8E48DC44D4A97BD7A


 No.2813023

Even Anwar Shaikh thinks capitalism is "sustainable" and uses profitability as a justification.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsyCD4duIzg


 No.2813053

They arent deluded. They just tell lies to propegate their own agenda.




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 No.2812397[Reply]

Is he a revisionist? Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy and he’s had a lot of influence on my understanding of Marxism and the way I explain socialism to people IRL but through recently moving towards his written work I have come across things which I have never seen orthodox Marxists ever discuss. Here is Marcel van der Linden’s explanation of Wolff and Resnick’s class theories in his book Western Marxism and the Soviet Union:

>They based themselves on a unique class theory, according to which society must be viewed as a totality of overdetermined processes, i.e. a complex whole in which every process ‘is determined by each and every other process constituting that society’.There existed innumerable ‘entry points’ to explore this totality, and no one entry point can be conceived as ‘the essential cause or determinant of any other process(es) in the society’.Marxian social theory’s entry point was class, defined here as the economic process of ‘producing and appropriating surplus labor’.

>In Resnick and Wolff’s theory, two kinds of class processes exist: fundamental and subsumed. The fundamental class process concerns the production of the surplus-product by one class for the other. Subsumed class processes encompass the distribution of this surplus-product between other classes. In a capitalist society, productive workers and industrial capitalists are personifications of the fundamental class process, while landlords, unproductive workers or supervisory managers are personifications of subsumed class processes.

>Thus, by highlighting the social organisation of surplus, Resnick & Wolff claimed that the Soviet Union was state-capitalist, where state capitalism is defined as the co-existence and interaction of two processes, namely capitalist production, appropriation and distribution of the surplus on the one side, and, on the other side, ‘processes that place state offcials (rather than private individuals) in the class position of appropriators and distributors of the surplus’.

Furthermore, Wolff and his coauthor discuss their non-traditional Marxist theory in a 2013 paper titled simply “Marxism” from the journal Rethinking Marxism, which they call an “overdeterminist class theory”. Some quotes from said paper:

>This is our argument: class refers specPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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 No.2812916

>>2812397

Tbf he looks like he's saying state capitalism in the actual sense, not >le state capitalism meme


 No.2812931

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>all these people trying to treat Wolff as a Bolshevik intellectual from the 1910s

What level of LARPing are you on? Wolff never claims to be reinventing Marxism or whatever, he runs a fucking YouTube channel and gets invited to Jimmy Dore and Fox News, do you expect him about the fully-developed value form and the reification of social relations while quoting Lucács' interpretation of Goethe? To a fucking Fox News host?

You can have beef with his approach (muh co-ops) which I do too, because I think it's toothless, or with him shitting all over the USSR (he never does that on air btw), which I do too, he's supposed to be entry level for absolute libshits who think Marxism is when the state finances your hormone therapy, nothing more. Just let him do his thing, he's not hurting anybody and we are not close to a situation in fucking Russia 1917 where there is a violent factional conflict between various socialist strains.


 No.2812933

>>2812931

*expect him to talk about


 No.2812938

>>2812931

>Wolff never claims to be reinventing Marxism or whatever

He literally found an academic journal titled "Rethinking Marxism"

>o you expect him about the fully-developed value form and the reification of social relations while quoting Lucács' interpretation of Goethe? To a fucking Fox News host?

Yes


 No.2813014

>>2812834

> He’s not awful but it’s definitely not Marxism in an orthodox sense

It's not Marxism at all.

The core of Marxism (i.e. what differentiates Marxism from other types of Socialism; from pre-Marxist Communism) is historical materialism - which stems from idea that society is defined and shaped through the way it organizes production of goods necessary for its existence (aka Basis). Which is why you can't have society (well, not for long) where something contradicts Basis - either society will keel over (as it can't produce means of sustenance), or offending factor will be eliminated (which is far more likely).

Hence, Marx took pains to define Capitalist mode of production, so as to demonstrate how it functions - only through this explanation does Marx introduce the idea of classes (and other concepts, like surplus value).

Marx referred to Capitalist mode of production as Capitalist because it was based on ownership of Capital.

And what does Wolff do?

First, he rejects the idea that relations of production are the main factor. He claims that is had to be supplemented by distribution of "surplus value" (which Marx refused to define outside of mode of production and ridiculed Physiocrats for doing so, as it clearly secondary to mode of production), which is also used to define classes - and only then does his idea of mode of production take shape.

I.e. Wolff moves in the direction that is the opposite to Marxism, since he starts with undefined abstract concepts and then tries to describe reality through them - rather than taking reality and defining abstract concepts through observable interactions. He goes cargo-cultist.

Secondly, he uses the term "Capitalism" to define something which is not Capitalist in any concievable way even by Wolff's own admisission. He himself openly rejects the idea that his analysis is based on ownPost too long. Click here to view the full text.




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 No.2809161[Reply]

What are the odds of America becoming socialist? Not Bernie tier socdem shit, but an actual proletariat state or at least getting a step in the right direction. As far as I know there's the CPUSA but even then they are very small and from what I've heard may or may not be a sham. If there truly is no hope, anons discuss how we can escape and immigrate to a different country, I would guess Cuba since it's already pretty close and not doing that bad. Ideas?

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 No.2812777

>>2812491

How did you type that with your swollen diabetic fingers? How many freedom loans did you take out to finance your liberty insulin. Or did you just use talk-to-text? They must be even better than before because they can hear through your God Bless America cpap mask.


 No.2812787

>>2809473

its very likely given historic analysis


 No.2812827

>>2809260

>socialism is when you ethnically balkanize your country and the more balkanized it gets the more socialistier it becomes


 No.2812861

>>2812767

I've never heard the term used in that sense. Ever. I'm quite familiar with my own family/friends and their views and none of them are Lost-Causers, dude. So unless you're gonna resort to calling me a liar you're gonna just have to accept that you were wrong.

Maybe what you're saying is true in a few counties of Mississippi or whatever part of the South you live in but as an SC native I have never heard the term used in that way in my life.

>>2812768

I'm very well-aware of this second meaning of the term. No idea why you think this contradicts my post.


 No.2812918

>>2812147

>They lack any kind of creative spark

Not true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8KzmlIEsHs&t=113s

>>2812768

>It was coined by the British.

Wasn’t it coined by the sports team?




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