/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2810663

It actually is a somewhat interesting result that there wasn't a significant decrease in how much people search for jobs, because this contradicts what millions are taught in introductory econ classes. People who teach these classes should get regular beatings until they make their teachings fit the data.

>>2810784

Sounds like a total clusterfuck.

>>2810924

Yes.

>>2811150

There are several ways: 1. Increase public-sector employment until everybody has a job. If that is done, there is no need for min-wage legislation in the private sector. 2. Force every firm to employ people proportional to some measure of firm size. But it isn't necessary to force them to directly employ the people; it would be enough to have some tax-and-subsidy system, so that firms finance jobs in proportion to their size (and firms creating more jobs than what their size dictates would get a subsidy).

Does anybody here actually support UBI? It seems like every time I’ve seen it argued for, it’s usually either a libertarian, a Silicon Valley futurist type, or some kind of Bernie-adjacent/DSA socdem, and the argument is usually either moralizing or talking about automation.

In the moralizing case you get the left that will say “we need to decouple work from income, everybody deserves to live!” etc. and this just seems like utopian idealism. It almost always falls back on the imperative of this moralizing. The other case is maybe more based in some real prediction about future needs, automation CAUSING income to be decoupled from work by necessity because the work won’t exist anymore in the private sector. That is all fine and good, but I don’t see why a leftist would support this supposed state of affairs outright. You’re basically arguing at that point that it is necessary to perpetuate class society by making an entirely dependent class of people who live off of the minimum that the bourgioesie will give them and tolerate it indefinitely? And this in the midst of a society that has advanced so far that work is literally disappearing? It’s obvious why the right wing supports it, I don’t see why the left would except for socdems that are chronically trapped in thinking “it’s the best we can do, we have to compromise, maybe we can get the bourgies to give up their capital willingly in the future”.

>>2811224

>Does anybody here actually support UBI?

I do but because I'm unemployed. Of course I would like a socialist revolution instead but while living in capitalism of course I would like to have money without having to work (or having to work less at least).

>>2811224

redditors are the biggest supporters of UBI

>>2811126

the audio noise is maddening

>>2810071

>rich grug smart and work much

That's the exact opposite of what rich people are and do.

Correct to: rich grug not smartest but exploit lowly grug's labor so not have to work but still makes much stones

>>2809233

Rich people deserved their hard-earned money because they did well enough to keep their slaves (us) working for them. But that doesn't mean we cannot rob all of their property, because why not? We will gain free time, affordable education and healthcare, dignity as true citizens, not wage slaves. Only moralfags would complain about this.

If capitalists can let us live a life of dignity, then we has no reason to oppose them. But history had repeatedly shown us that capitalist will never let us have that right, they will drain us to the last drop of blood, all of their promises will become lies. So take arms, comrades, to the final victory!

>>2811253

Well, want to commit suicide with everyone instead of just giving their hard-earn shekels to us? I've lost the last remaining of my respect to those smart and rational people now.

start using technologies like genetically modified corals and iron fertilization

>>2803708

This is why we need family planning. The future is also going to have a fuckton of old people as well

>>2805638

mmm

>>2805212

somebody's agitating them. it's not organic

and they were clearly made an example of for getting too violent

>>2805638

Shills will tell you that its a benign egalitarian/philanthropic organization where a bunch of old men get together and drink which is a bunch of bullshit that apprentice masons not part of the inner circle are told to say.

>>2811203

My favorite smug anime girl

While yeah some can and probably are shills that Dosent mean that No Venezuelan people who don't like Maduro / PSUV exist

Like it or not Maduro and the PSUV have failed to improve standards of living and the quality of life of the Venezuelan people as much as Chavez did

Because of this stagnation obviously people will become disenchanted with goverment

<TLDR

yeah some are shills

But saying everyone's a shill is fucking /pol/ tier

>>2802608

>I had to do my own research about communism

<watching Steven Crowder and r/the_donald is "research"

Sad!

>PragerU

To be honest, they are the bottom of the barrel. Even some right-wingers and conservatives call them out on their bullshit. Several PragerU videos have mostly ridiculing comments like the ones named "Who is Dennis Prager?" that tries to build a personality cult around Prager or the one where he argues that when there is no God, murder isn't wrong. There is also one where they argue we should build railguns for Israel (I'm not kidding) and right-wingers call them out for being Zionist shills in the comments.

Sometimes though you surprisingly meet normies being pretty lit about capitalism and socialism. While socialism has been propagated as a bogeyman, it also has become more of a subject of public debate which caused people to find out more about it. There are plenty of videos about the Cold War where people in the comments, not commies, average users, call out the content creator for presenting an extremely one-sided view of the conflict. Another positive example would be the feature-length documentary from a Marxist-Leninist called Prolekult about imperialism and capitalism ("History is Marching") that is seemingly watched by normies looking at the comments, and within that documentary the USSR is somewhat defended and portrayed positively, and people don't mind it and see it as an "eyeopener".

Marxism can be, even with all its jargon, incredibly convincing because it offers and analysis most other schools lack. It's pretty unique and holistic. The NPCs who go on about muh gorillions are not interested in changing their mind anyway, you you present them mountains of evidence and they still call you a totalitarian genocide denier or whatever, but people who haven't made their mind up should be out target.

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>it's another Youtube comments are bad thread

>>2802013

mostly because admitting that the current system is a scam

>>2802612

i liked the one where prageru brought on a priest to defend nukes

>>2803734

do it

>>2803494

"Please provide evidence"

This works especially well when people start spouting off with the holodomor narrative.

>>2803734

Post it anom

>>2803672

Also demand evidence, there are loads of liars when it comes to former communist countries, and active liars now regarding Venezuela.

>>2805116

China is Socialost by its own admission

It's only claim is that current economy is "Primary stage Socialism" which is a socialist economy still somewhat or majorly reliant off of a Market sector (See: Vietnam Laos Cuba etc)

>>2805091

>>2805083

A foreign troop / Milita presence in ones nation (Completely outnumbered by domestic forces) does not prevent it from being socialistic

>>2805077

Wages of destruction the second: electronic mind cop edition.

>>2805160

>posts some paragraphs of meaningless corporate jargon

>>2805077

The debate takes place almost exactly one year after the nine-day strike that galvanized teachers across the US but failed to fix the decades-long defunding of education and public sector health care in the state.

>>2801756

TBF he has a point, most literary analysis courses focus on books that are 50+ years old, a real critical analysis course would have the latest superhero movie or BS Youtube history video as their prime target for dissection.

>>2801208

Marxist literary theory is pretty much dead. There are much more literary frameworks that people can work more with that are being used now. On the other hand, some of the important topics that Marxists would be concerned with have branched out to other genres of literary theory. Things like postcolonism, cultural materialism, and critical theory (kind of) all take parts from it. Needless to say, Marx lives in the head of most literary theorists.

But I agree with another poster here, we need people to shit on super hero movies for the ideological propaganda that it is. And Marxist literary theory would be the perfect match for that.

>Benjmain?

Kaballah magic isn't Marxist.

>>2802511

Marx lives in the head of most literary theorists.

>>2801876

The current mod is banning all wrong think.

>>2804264

how do we lynch the mod?

>>2803726

Yes such wonderful diversity of thought like:

Nigger hate threads

Jews being jews

Inceldom and virginity

I.Q retardation

Marx being a jew

Communism being a jewish creation

White gen.ocide

Nazbol shit

No thanks laddy. You can keep your garbage.

>>2804700

>anarchism is when two people unilaterally decide that racism, phobia, and misogyny are good and useful things to allow the board to be spammed with

>>2801865

Those are the fundaments on which then you would be able to build a ML organisation.

Short answer: No

Long answer: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo definitely not, no. But then again I'm not as keen on parliamentary action as some users here.

>>2805192

At least try to explain why

>>2805057

Kind of? While we definitely should not dilute our politics in order to attract socdems, I think that some amount of "compromise" might be necessary. We need to have physical things that we can point to and say "us socialists did this" if we want to convince the proletariat that socialism is in their best interests. Books of theory don't really mean shit to most people, sadly. At the same time, if we do support socdem policies, we must be clear with our aims. We must make it known that these are in no way socialism, and our support for things like nationalized healthcare, minimum wage increases, etc are purely pragmatic, and done to improve the living conditions for the proletariat under capitalism. We should try and use socdem issues as a stepping stone for discussions about the inherent contradictions of capitalism. Why is the minimum wage not enough? We could use this to talk about the falling rate of profit, and how capitalism tends towards an increase in exploitation. We could use healthcare as an example of how capitalism is amoral system, which prioritizes profit over real human lives.

We CANNOT let these redefine socialism. Doing so will greatly defang our movement.

>>2805342

This

>>2805087

The goal here is to play an active and very visible role in improving the lives of the working class

>Pan-Green coalition gains loads of support

Taiwan to declare independence soon.

>>2804061

>Matamoros, Mexico maquiladora workers threatened with mass plant closures

OH SSSSSHHHHHHIIIIIITTTTTTTT

dup's gonna freak!

ICE force-feeding detainees on hunger strike

Immigrants have gone on hunger strikes over the past month to protest conditions inside detention facilities, prompting officials to force-feed six of them through plastic nasal tubes at a Texas location, The Associated Press has learned.More detainees are refusing food at the El Paso Processing Center than at any other ICE facility, and lawyers say some detainees are losing weight rapidly after not eating or drinking for more than 30 days.

https://www.apnews.com/c4b201dac8bf48eba17485a5c357b810

Bernie Sanders just introduced a new plan to raise the estate tax for America's billionaires all the way to 77%

Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont on Thursday introduced a new plan to increase the US estate-tax rate in an effort to prevent the concentration of wealth among the US's richest families.The estate tax applies to the assets of a deceased person that get passed down to their heirs.

https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-estate-tax-plan-wealthy-increase-77-billionaires-rate-2019-1

US Energy Dept. blindsides Nevada with secret delivery of half a ton of weapons-grade plutonium

The US Department of Energy secretly shipped half a metric ton of weapons-grade plutonium to Nevada despite the state’s strong opposition to receiving the nuclear material. The state government fears more deliveries may follow.The Energy Department infuriated Nevada’s government with the admission that it had shipped weapons-grade plutonium from South Carolina to a nuclear security site 113km north of Las Vegas before November.

https://www.rt.com/usa/450203-energy-department-plutonium-nevada/

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OP/ED

UK still involved in anti-Russian campaign after 100 years

The Western powers have Russia in their sights. Propaganda is at fever pitch. Sounds familiar? No, I’m not talking about 2019, but 1919, when Churchill was supporting military intervention against the Russian government.One hundred years ago, World War I may have ended but the world was hardly at peace.Then, as now, Russia was a target. Bolshevik rule, only established in late 1917, was threatened by a Western-backed foreign intervention to help the anti-Bolshevik White Army regain power.Today, the biggest hawk on the scene in Britain is Gavin Williamson, the defense secretary. In 1919, it was one Winston Churchill, secretary of state for war. At least the titles they gave government ministers were more honest in those days.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/450227-soviet-uk-russia-propaganda-wwi/

Kamala Harris and Israel: Taking the AIPAC Line

California’s junior senator Kamala Harris has announced her presidential candidacy, joining what will likely become an unusually large field of Democrats seeking the nomination.Harris is being embraced by many progressive Democrats, and she’s branding herself as a progressive. Yet in the course of her little more than two years in the U.S. Senate, she’s taken some foreign policy positions that should give pause to supporters of human rights and international law.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/01/31/kamala-harris-and-israel-taking-the-aipac-line/

8 Points on Venezuela

The Trump administration's aggression toward Venezuela is grotesque, self-serving, and imperialistic. The US should stay out of Venezuela.

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>>2804118

At least the titles they gave government ministers were more honest in those days.

>>2802741

>muh material conditions

Isn't it quite amazing how Leftcoms would argue that DiaMat is the result of Stalinist stratification of a Leninist/Plekhanovist deviation of the true materialism of Marx but at the same time apply a model so vulgar to the USSR based on a completely monocausal relationship between superstructure and base that would probably declared revisionist even by Stalin?

What I wanna is that you guys are pseuds because Marx himself considered Russia to have revolutionary potential and even if you argue it didn't, certainly it has reached a level of development by 1960 that would easily qualify for socialism.

>>2803803

You're quite evidently projecting your own vulgar understanding of materialism by assuming a whole host of claims that are not made in that post. But feel free to courageously defeat countless arguments no one here is making.

>>2803808

"The USSR was a result of its material conditions and was doomed from the start" is the most vulgar materialist position one could take.

I mean, Stalin did prove you guys wrong by industrialising it rapidly for socialism to take hold, didn't he? The question we face with is where we go from there, the experiences of the most developed socialist countries like USSR, GDR or CSSR - instead Leftcoms want to reinvent the wheel and think the Russian Revolution died with the NEP. This is ignoring all the developments within real Marxism since 1917, by real I seek to exclude Frankfurt School/Baudrillard etc. theory jerking in obscure lecture halls.

>>2803860

>you guys

can you stop with this bullshit? Who the fuck are you talking about. I'm not a leftcom and none of this is leftcom positions. Your compulsive desire to 'BTFO the fake marxists epic style' or whatever is childish.

I'm not sure what the USSR's industrialisation is meant to prove wrong, im not aware of any marxist theorist who claimed this was impossible at the time but feel free to expand on who or what exactly was being proven wrong and how it relates to material conditions making the 1917 incapable to succeed.

>The question we face with is where we go from there, the experiences of the most developed socialist countries like USSR, GDR or CSSR

So how does that differ from what has been said earlier in the thread? You're not actually saying anything.

>instead Leftcoms want to reinvent the wheel and think the Russian Revolution died with the NEP.

Who has said this and what does this mean, sounds like a very vague characterisation of your 'big bad'.

Once again you've decided to opt for a scattershot of entirely mistaken assumptions about my perspective on 20th century socialist attempts in the hope some of it would be relevant. Perhaps if you decided to stop being needlessly combative and engaged with the content of posts rather than the ideological tendencies you image behind them you could actually engage substantively with them.

>>2802741

That experiment is over and there are clear material reasons for its catastrophic failure.

>>2803322

Why is the WSWS reporting so negatively on the strike? Other commie sites are reporting more positively.

https://www.liberationnews.org/eyewitness-day-seven-agreement-reached-in-los-angeles-teachers-strike/

>>2803351

trots

>>2803351

WSWS doesn't abide cuck unions.

cementing their control over an area the size of neighboring Lebanon.

>>2802828

>Today's Germany is described as a "slave state" and a "dictatorship of capital," and some letter writers reject Germany for being, in their opinion, too capitalist or dictatorial, and certainly not democratic. Schroeder finds such statements alarming. "I am afraid that a majority of eastern Germans do not identify with the current sociopolitical system."

LMAO. I love how right wingers tell us to listen to people who have "actually lived under communism" and then when it is proved that they liked it better, they say they're all brainwashed or something.

Those who fled to the west and/or were shot trying were Euro-gusanos anyway.

It was the Antifascist Defense Wall, and it was very good.

Thanks guys.

The view of people from eastern Germany. Today, 20 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, 57 percent, or an absolute majority, of eastern Germans defend the former East Germany. "The GDR had more

>>2810609

there is cringe on both sides however the right has more of a lifting/self improvement culture than the left

>>2811054

Even though he's cringe he kind of looks adorable. Seeing the left pic where he smiles to the camera while hugging his grandma (I think) gives me a warm feeling. Looks like a child in an adult body.

>>2810246

>that kid who would use wikipedia as source