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Hello comrades, I would like to learn more about the type of socialism that took part in romania. Would really appreciate some anons giving a tl;dr but sources for further reading would also suffice. Thanks.

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coosecoose was a greedy, nationalist and revisionist who defiled the name of socialism.




>orphans everywhere

reminder ceausescu did this



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Ceaucescu and his policies were definitely some hot garbage but guess what? Capitalist restoration was so bad it made him look good.


Ceaucescu was so hated that he was the only eastern bloc leader to be actually shot in a violent counter-revolution. I've been to Romania a few years ago and no one seems to miss him at all. His personal mansion had solid gold taps in it and photos of him with the anglo queen and so on - I know because I've been in it. In other words, he didn't give a shit about communism and was just an opportunist dictator. Probably the worst Warsaw Pact country, not a good example of successful socialism.


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How does one go about becoming a "successful" leftist academic?

I'm 24 years old with a dual-major BA in political science and philosophy. I've read more Marx than you and have also studied Hegel, Spinoza, Nietzsche, the scholastics, etc. somewhat as well. I really admire Zizek and Badiou and would like to pursue a PhD eventually. However, how does a comrade like me end up "making it" so that me and my ideas become as well-known as Badiou's and Zizek's? How do famous Marxist thinkers of the modern age become famous?

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Jodi Dean spends time organising and participating in PSL activities too. What is wrong with you?



>How does one go about becoming a "successful" leftist academic?



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Everyone here shitting on academia don't seem to realise that Marx, Engels, Adorno and so on were all academics but that doesn't make them irrelevant. Are you even a Marxist or just some dumb fag who didn't get into uni and is now super salty about it? Also, Lenin, Mao, Luxemburg etc all proved that you can both be an academic theoretician and an active organiser and revolutionary at the same time. In other words, if you hate academics, you hate theory, and if you hate theory, you're not a Marxist. Fuck off back to /pol/.



Marx and Engels did not have radical left academic careers (a contradiction in terms). Adorno didn't organize the working class.



>Jodi Dean spends time organising and participating in PSL activities too.

Yeah, one more reason to hate her. Fuck Trots.


He's not asking how to manage to be a proper Marxist while existing in academia. He's asking how to succeed in academia while pretending to be Marxist.

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What are your thoughts on human nature? Is it real or just a construct? Are people inherently anything?

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Define what a "nature" is.



Just use google nigger


Why is this thread anchored?


To answer your question, if humans do have a sort of "default" behaviour, it is pro-social and altruistic. This makes sense, because Humans need others to survive, especially because Human children need help from adult Humans for a long time compared to other animals and mammals. Furthermore, Humans need both companionship and cooperation to thrive, altruism helps both of those.

Here's some links to studies and shit to throw at "muh human nature" capitalists, who believe we are inherently greedy. Which also doesn't make sense, because no one is going to want to help/interact with/socialise with an asshole who just wants everything for themselves.







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Human nature does exist. Everything isn't purely social conditioning. However social conditioning is real, otherwise different cultures wouldn't exist. I believe culture is a homeostasis that's reached between innate tendencies and environment.



I am not going to use google to define the questions other people are asking of me. That's on them.

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Tear gas fired during May Day demonstrations in Paris, scores detained

Demonstrators marching in Paris to mark International Workers' Day have been met with tear gas, images from the French capital show, with reports of over 350 people detained.


Workers in Mexico just won the right to organize real labor unions. Trump helped.

May 1 is International Workers’ Day, and employees in Mexico have good reason to celebrate: They just won the right to organize and negotiate their own pay.Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador enacted a labor reform bill Wednesday that for the first time gives workers the legal right to bargain collectively with employers through independent labor unions.



Venezuela: Thousands Rally in Streets for Labor Day After Failed Coup Attempt

Labor forces and the Venezuelan people mobilized on the streets of Caracas Wednesday to celebrate International Workers' Day in honor of the workforce which has seen 20 years of the Bolivarian Revolution.


British Judge Sentences Julian Assange To 50 Weeks In Prison

Julian Assange has been sentenced to 50 weeks in prison by a British judge.The controversial founder of WikiLeaks was arrested in April after being puPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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>Asked about his successor Boris Yeltsin, the first-ever elected leader of Russia, Gorbachev today says spitefully, “I should have sent him off somewhere. He was playing up.”

Wow growing a spine decades after the fact huh gorby?


>Boris Yeltsin, the first-ever elected leader of Russia

>the first-ever elected leader of Russia

I clap my burger patties.





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>wtf just when Trump does something good in Mexico

Trump doesn't do shit good. Increasing U.S. aggression with Iran, China, Venezuela, Cuba and Palestine while tossing toddlers in prison, shilling for Israel, shilling for Saudi Arabia, pursuing a globalist agenda and devouring the working and middle classes. He was just making an ineffective effort to bring jobs home from China by telling Mexico to pay it's workers more. GM still fired 15,000 people despite claiming 20% of their quarterly profit from corporate welfare in the form of tax rebates and subsidies. He's a fucking mooly.



Gosh, the Gorbachev article is so painful to read. The editor remarks trying to bash everything that doesn't put the fall of URSS as a Republican victory is like a child claiming it won the soccer game alone.

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Clashes rock Venezuela as Guaido urges opposition uprising

Opposition leader Juan Guaidó took a bold step to revive his movement to seize power in Venezuela, taking to the streets Tuesday to call for a military uprising that drew quick support from the Trump administration but fierce resistance from forces loyal to embattled socialist Nicolas Maduro.


Pro-Guaido bloc celebrates, encourages Venezuela coup attempt

One by one, leaders and officials from Latin American states are taking to social media to applaud opposition leader Juan Guaido’s attempted military coup in Venezuela, some even encouraging an army mutiny.


China's Xi appeals to youth patriotism on centenary of student protests

President Xi Jinping appealed to China’s youth on Tuesday to love the country and dedicate themselves to the Communist Party, warning on the centenary of student-led protests there was no place for those who ignored the country’s needs.


Faltering Brexit talks limp on amid UK political impasse

Britain is due to leave the European Union in six months, but you wouldn’t know it from the country’s news headlines or the debates in Parliament. The issue that consumed the country for almost three years has been reduced to a murmur.

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It's already failed, Gaido has no popular constituency, nobody came out for the coup, no protesters got shot, nothing



That's nice to hear


What do you guys think is going to happen with Brexit?


>t. American

I thought the dead line passed 10 days ago?! I read a little on it but what I don't understand is how come EU isn't rushing it or penalizing UK? Does dragging Brexit on have any consequences?



What are the kulaks doing?



>Does dragging Brexit on have any consequences?

It got us Sargon running as an MEP.

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I earned a degree and now my economic situation is going to improve. What interest would I have in leftist politics or am I now lepetite bourgeoise?

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Unless you had a job lined up or were a stellar performer in a very good degree, you are very likely to become one of the many new workers getting into a McJob or trucking with a master's degree.




I'm going to make dough writing software.




If you have to sell your labour-power to survive, you are a worker, part of the proletariat. Doesn't matter if you're paid $12k/yr. or $100k/yr. You're in a precarious position in both cases, cause once you lose your job, you lose your livelihood.



>have to sell your labour-power to survive

How is this any different under socialism/communism? Of course folks would have to work to some degree no? And how would workers be better off; Is there some guarantee that they would have work available to them?



>Is there some guarantee that they would have work available to them?

Stalin in an interview with HG Wells:

>What is planned economy? What are some of its attributes? Planned economy tries to abolish unemployment. Let us suppose it is possible, while preserving the capitalist system, to reduce unemployment to a certain minimum.

>But surely, no capitalist would ever agree to the complete abolition of unemployment, to the abolition of the reserve army of unemployed, the purpose of which is to bring pressure on the labour market, to ensure a supply of cheap labour. Here you have one of the rents in the "planned economy" of bourgeois society. Furthermore, planned economy presupposes increased output in those branches of industry which produce goods that the masses of the people need particularly. But you know that the expansion of production under capitalism takes place for entirely different motives, that capital flows into those branches of economy in which the rate of profit is highest. You will never compel a capitalist to incur loss to himself and agree to a lower rate of profit for the sake of satisfying the needs of the people. Without getting rid of the capitalists, without abolishing the principle of private property in the means of production, it is impossible to create planned economy.

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Todays epistle reading.:

And above all these put on love, which binds everything together in perfect harmony. And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were called in the one body. And be thankful. And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him. Whatever your task, work heartily, as serving the Lord and not men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward; you are serving the Lord Christ.

(Col 3:14-15, 17, 23-24)

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Coincidentally, I happened to talk with a christsoc/christcom today while we were waiting to organize for the May Day march. He asked me about the reds and blacks and symbols in the anarchist block. Some moments later, the discussion between him and some old-school educated generic-socialist who showed up got pretty heated, when the latter suggested a pragmatic and individualistic approach to ideology, to pic and mix across ideas and faiths to your own tastes, and the former declared the strength of his one true belief in the Lord.

Fortunately the situation defused when I said it'd be better for them to step out of to eachother's way and keep a distance, saving their grumbling until after the march. The old-schooler suggested they'd talk it out afterwards by a cup of coffee at the nearby cafe-tent.

Not sure how things ultimately turned out, but at least they went their own ways the last I saw. Haha.






¿do you know that what pius try to say was that strikes are bad right?


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liberals are the majority that support this retardation, thats why i am posting here

Homosexuality is simply a mental illness, the human body wasn't designed to be abused by another person of the same sex.

Besides all the bullshit pseudo-science out there, there hasn't been any shred of concrete scientific evidence that supports homosexuality, the argument that "fags are born that way" was debunked by studies done on twins such as this one https://www.exodusglobalalliance.org/twin-studies-what-they-dont-show.php

>No one has ever explained a logical reason as to why they hate faggots.

Human beings are design to feel derision and contempt for things are dysfunctional and un-orderly, homosexuality is against nature the same way being stupid, fat, ugly, unkempt, smelly, and slow are traits that seem to abuse the function of a healthy normally functioning human being.

Your body wasn't designed to be fat, besides having any genetic defects you weren't designed to lack intelligence, so that being said the anus wasn't designed to be penetrated which is why so many faggots get HIV and get prolapsed rectums, if you abuse the function of something it will always lead to chaos.

>Being against gays is all just based on emotions and nothing else.

People feel hatred for faggots because they are sexually deviant predators, they are pedophiles, mentally deranged, sick, twisted, ridden with disease, suicidal, homicidal and overall sick in every regard.


(already multiple threads for this)


Stalin literally made Sodomy illegal while the Nazi's anthem was literally about a gay prostitute Hitler fucked and the Putsh Bar was a well known gay bar.


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Homosexuality is common in nature. Plus, it is theorised that homosexuality is an evolutionary adaptation that helped to provide males and females who could not produce children of their own but would work to help the children of their families and tribe - the 'gay uncle' theory. In essence gay couples could provide a spare pair of hands or in dire circumstances even a replacement set of parents for orphans.

Of course, you are too spooked to listen to any of this, and will continue this idiocy. PS we aren't really liberals either.



Lets be specific here, the law was meant to address pederasty and was usually enforced as such


Because they are a small minority, if it became more popular i would be worried cuz then no babies would be made.

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Raided. How did i do?

also raid thread, we should raid more. Tell me why, tell me why not.

I have never heard a good reason for why not

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There is a difference between 8/pol/ and 4/pol/. The former are staunch Nazis with a heavily moderated board, they have developed some kind of ideological unity, so it's harder to drive wedges between factions in there, the best way to deal with /pol/ is to just be their neighbour, they eventually come over themselves when individuals grow disillusioned with their ideology and contradictions in their line (being a Nazi but supporting Trump, etc.).

4/pol/ is much more malleable, you are mostly dealing with really young people who are to a large percentage just trying to be edgy, or have an extremely shallow political consciousness as they found /pol/ via the alt-lite pipeline of Sargon, Molyneux or Steven Crowder. Here active agitation and education is necessary to draw them away from reaction, most of them are still somewhat alienated/disillusioned with the status quo otherwise they wouldn't be on 4chan.





Right so if I set something up yoh will come join?



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>it's harder to drive wedges between factions on 8/pol/

Easy. Just post ancap memes from /liberty/.



so im gonna set up a discord you still down?

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When the fuck will this meme die, when retard douches like pic related stop shilling shit like

>socialism is when the government does stuff

>muh venezuela

>muh gorrilions

>carl marks said do a ton of work and take only what you need

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The reason people give Dore a pass is because he's not completely antagonistic to ideas to his Left despite never really transcending his liberalism and is therefore a potential gateway for both libs and conservatives to get turned on to further left ideas. Hes basically the leftist sargon in that,sense.

Cenk is the opposite of this




Who, what liberal, all we have is the party of Neos. Neo-Lib Neo-Con, Democan Republicrat, different name but the same old shit. Even Obama was just a democrat, he only looked more extreme standing next to neo-liberals.



Because Dore's problems more lie in the fact he seems to lack the theoretical foundations to move outside his liberalism while Cenk is just a shitlib.





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as a gentoomen I appreciate this

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Why is it that proles around the world are by and large so class-cucked? I understand why they don't vote for communist parties due to cultural hegemony, material conditions not being bad enough in the first world etc. But they don't, a lot of the time, even vote for socdem parties - they either don't vote at all or actively support their own class enemies.


In India, Narendra Modi, the right-wing nationalist, is leading polls massively. Whilst in office he has pursued typical neoliberal policies. India is dirt poor and has a large proletariat. Why do they vote for him?

In Britain, polls show Labour leading in the polls for the next general election (not to be confused with EU election). Yet they only take around 35% of the vote, when proles must make up near 90% of the population, and the proper working class (i.e. not PMC's) make up at least 70%.

In America, lots of white proles vote republican, whilst black proles seem to vote democrat (although I can kind of understand that because they are less racist).

I don't think I need to go on. In fact, there are very few countries right now where the left, even just the socdem left, is doing well. Why is this? Obviously a big reason why proles vote against their class interests is because they are religious or nationalistic - typically this applies more to rural proles. But why is that? How are they persuaded to actively vote against their own interests? The typical leftist response I have seen is 'they aren't confronted with a real alternative to traitorous socdems'. But this isn't true any more. In Europe we have Corbyn, Die Linke, France Unbowed and so on, which are all proper demsoc parties, and in the third world you have actual communist parties that are relevant, like the CPI(M) in India. So I don't think the standard answer to my question can be true any more.

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>that needed to happen.

Yes for the bureaucracy to consolidate its power. But the purgues and gulags had no use for the working class. The murder of the original Bolsheviks and any principled opposition was definitely of no use to the working class

>And it was Stalin who lead the industrialization that made this possible.

Stalinists bastardized the five year plans based on the left oppostion of Trotsky after intially siding with Bukharin, then backstabbing and murdering him. Also you saying the "Stalin" was responsible is an anti-marxist conception of class forces. Due to its self imposed isolation, the bureaucracy had no choice but to rapidly industralize through brutal force in order to maintain its national sovereignty. Under a real marxist leadership, there would have been far more focus on buildiing the German vanguard so that Nazism wouldn't attain power in the first place and the spread of German capital and technique in Russia would have made the five year plans far more efficient and without the brutalization of the Russian peasantry.

>how exactly did Stalin repress genuine working class revolution? Reminds of the "talk to people who lived under socialism to see how bad it is"

The hundreds of thousands dying in Gulags, the original marxist leadership being killed off, the temporary ban on factions being made permanent, the destruction of soviet democracy, and the list goes on and on. As trotsky said, the property forms established and the gains of the revolution were to be defended, however the working class would need to overthrow the soviet bureaucracy for there to be true freedom for the Soviet proletariat and the victory of socialism. There was no illusion that capitalism would be worse for the USSR than the bureaucratic dictatorship of Stalin, however this was with the recognition that the role of Stalinism was to suppress the revolutionary sentiment of the USSR working class and essentially work as the labor arm of capitalism by supporting bourgeois nationalist regimes of the third world and abandon the appeals to the working class of developed capiPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



>how exactly did Stalin repress genuine working class revolution?

He didn’t fund Communist parties around the world, instead preferring to wage a “cold war.”



>sided with bourgeois nationalists in China and India

How did Stalin screw up in India? Familiar with China but haven't heard the story for India before. From my limited knowledge India ended up with a "halfway" socdem constitution, similar to Weimar Germany or Mexico.


> Vote for socdems!

socdems in west

> made deals with international corporations

> enabled outsourcing, free flow of trade

> no trade protections

> pretend to care about workers rights while simultaneously enabling workers rights to be trampled upon by tax evading big corporations

> pretend to care about workers right by standing up for immigration… immigration which benefits big capital.

Socdems usually end up cooperating with conservative or right wing parties anyway and give away anything in their program which would help the working class. It has been like this since at least the 90's. Socdems aren't doing well because they stand with big corporations, foreign migrants and only offer virtue signaling while they are simultaneously responsible for stagnant wages and ever increasing cost of living (leading to work giving less overall wealth to the population). A lot of attitudes lower class people have towards those right wing parties is that they know they fuck them but at least they don't get migration and islam so they go with that instead. At least in Europe people are very aware that it doesn't matter whoever they vote they'll be fucked anyway. This has been the case in virtually every western country the last 30 or so years. The entire reason right wing populist anti migrant parties have become big in Europe is attributable first by failures and loss of identity of social democrats.


< expecting voting to affect the system controlled by bilderburgs and banks when everyone's educated to be as dumb as lead and live hand-to-mouth


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i just found out that the smartest person alive declared himself socialist, it's common for high Autism Level people to be leftist?

think of Einstein, and also our beloved hero Paul Cockshott that it's a computer scientist.

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For some reason I always feel watched when I see Ismail post on /leftypol/. It's like your grandpa unexpectedly visiting you.



Lol. Sidis proposed a regular grid with alternating one-way streets, the extra distance you'd drive is minimal.


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leftism is born from analysis and theory. rightism is born from simplicity. far rightism is born from reactionary fallacious rhetorics.


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As a person with autism it is the theory and the dept of leftist analysis and its philosophy that attracted me. The right is for smooth brained buffoons.



Why does the pic remind me vaugly of KingCrockoduck ?

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As for me I'm thinking going to a mass movement in my city's downtown. I am going to stand with the strike of one of the biggest Universities in my country.




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С Днём Труда!



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Syria General


The US is to formally recognise Israeli control over the legally-Syrian Golan Heights.


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At Least 40 Members of White Helmets Admit Staging Syria Chemical Attacks

>At least 40 members of the White Helmets organization have admitted during recent interviews that they staged chemical attacks in Syria to provoke retaliation against President Bashar Assad, Foundation for the Study of Democracy Director Maxim Grigoriev said on Thursday as he unveiled the results of a new study at the UN.

>"We have interviewed … 40 members of the White Helmets, including those from Douma, who provided a detailed description of their methods commonly used by their organization to fake scenes,"'

>The foundation conducted a fact-finding mission in Syria and located both White Helmets members and dozens of other people who participated in the staged attacks, Grigoriev said.

>"Those people told us in detail how they had to participate in the staging for few dollars to buy some food for their families,"

>One woman recounted how she was given white burial shroud to wrap herself up in and then told to lay on the ground and smear her mouth with toothpaste, Grigoriev said.

>Another recalled being told to "close his eyes" as he was filmed being taken to a medical center by members of the White Helmets.

>"Amar Al Mustafa Ibn Mohammad from Aleppo saw with his own eyes how they simulated a chemical attack, they brought children, laid them down, put civilians away and filmed children as if they died in the chemical attack,"

>A White Helmets member in Douma told the investigators that local children were given candies as rewards for their participation in the staged videos.

>Grigoriev pointed out that the investigation cast considerable doubt on the findings of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which blamed Assad for chemical attacks in Syria's Douma in 2018.

>The OPCW's conclusions relied on falsified facts and untrustworthy or unidentified sources, he noted.

>In March, the OPCW issued its final report oPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



I thought they smoked that nigga.

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this place suffers from some serious narcissism of small differences we need to set up some ecumenical councils

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the people who care the most about idpol are the whit upper class.



Reparations aren't about "gibs" it's about fixing the damage done to black communities by the US


Daily reminder that all "Anarchist" states had an informal vanguard due to meritocracy and anybody who rejects this idea has two nuerons.



im in a trot vanguard but i would date a syndicalist


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"Moderation", "concessions" and "compromise" are bourgeois politics. There can be only one.

We have always looked towards failings of capitalism as features, rather than bugs. It's time to accept sectarianism within leftism as a feature, not a bug.

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